LifeGiver wrote:1. I did NOT support Clinton because I never recognized him as our leader. America was held hostage for 8 years. It takes more than an election to make an American president. It takes American values which are, sorry to the nonbelivers, Christian values. Doing the immoral things Clinton did would preclude him from ever being recognized president by anyone with a moral backbone.
2. If Hillary won the election, I would not recognize her as president for a number of reasons: First of all, murdering Vince Foster makes her a killer. Two, (and I'm not a sexist) but a woman should not be president. I know this isn't the "politically correct" thing to say. I think women should have equal pay, the ability to do what they want to do - BUT, behaviorally, women are nuturers while men are competitive leaders. Argue this all you want but it all goes back to nature. In these very dangerous, post 9-11 times, we need a very strong competitive leader.
3. Kip, how dare you connect Christianity with racism! Just becuase some kooks use the bible to justify their hatred doesn't mean you should throw all Christian values under the bus! If thats the case you should throw all religions away - not just Christianity.
4. Rockwriter, why would you equate what I say with Hitler? I am very critical of a lot of our so-called leaders. I hate the Clintons and their ilk. How about perverts like Barney Frank? I am critical of them too!
-Shane
Back up Zan, here I come....
1. I never supported Bush. (43) Let me explain...and I'll give it to you slowly, so you might grasp it. The man lost the popular vote in 2000. Think about this, in a state where the secretary of state (Katherine Harris) who decides the final vote count is the leader of that particular parties election campaign, does it not speak of conspiracy? It doesn't help when the govenor, who can change the count or at least appoint a non-partisan party to collect the votes on a re-count, doesn't. It doesn't help when the man in question is that particular person's brother. I made the comment to my parents when 43 was selected that we would be at war in a year. Sadly, I was right.
As for "America being held hostage" during Clinton's years, well, we've been held hostage the past eight by the "threat of terrorism". You do realize that Iraq had nothing to do with 9-11 right? My numbers might be off but weren't 17 of the 19 Saudi's? The original intent of the war was to find WMDs. Have we seen them yet? We were also supposed to be going to Afghanistan. We haven't been as complete there as we could be and well, Al-Qadea is back to pre-9/11 strength.
Oh, and by the way...America was founded on PURITIAN beliefs when they were driven out of England. The idea was that in America they could worship any way they wanted to. American values are freedom first. Like how you and I can have this conversation without fear of retribution. In other countries, you can't do that.
As for a moral backbone, does everyone here forget Bosnia? When troops went in to help prevent ethnic cleansing? They had to spilt the country in three parts to calm the situations down, but do they not get it? Clinton sent the troops in. He didn't lie to congress about WMD's or keep troops in a country that doesn't want them there. Did Bush not learn anything from Nixon or Johnson? How about Clinton getting Ireland to the treaty table? You don't hear much about the troubles there these days, do you?
I also don't believe that Bush is running the country, Cheney and Karl Rove are.
2. Can you please prove where Hilary Clinton "murdered" Vince Foster? She found out about it in the media, according to her book, and is still heartbroken about it to this day. As for your women as president feelings, it's a shame that you can't see past your sexism (and it is that when you say that women are nurturers and not Strong Competitive leaders). Do you remember Buto (sp?) from India? How about Mary McAleese, the leader of Ireland? Both females and strong leaders. I wish you could see past your testosterone to notice it. So you might be further educated, here's a link...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_president
3. While you were going after Kip's comment, Christianity, along with all religions is racist. I just recently read a book "God is not Great: How religon poisons everything"...which examines nearly every religion on the planet. Christianity can be accepting in certain forms, but if you don't believe, according to most, you're doomed. Let's take a moment, if a religion sees something as immoral, according to their values, do they have a right to blow it up? While you might think I'm speaking about Muslim extremists, what about the right wing Christians who blow up abortion clinics? Same extreme, you think?
4. Hitler hated every religion but his own. Other than the six million Jews who were executed in the Holocaust, there were also Catholics, Gypsys and even Jehovah's Witnesses. You tend to be hyper critical of the Clintons, and it's okay to not like someone or something, but at least become more educated on why. It's not hard. Do a little reading past what the pastor tells you to read.
Also, and this still irks me. I find it very funny Reverend Sharpton, who is so against hate speech that he campaigned to get Imus off the air still can't see that Mormons believe in Christ. Is this the work of a christian?
There, think I have answered it.
does that make them jews? 
Remember, a vote for the bitch, I mean Hillary also means you like abortion as well. Most of the democratic candidates are pro-choice, which in other words is death for unborn's if they choose.
