For true Journey fans..

[Tomulator]

OR you Loons could just ignore the band and its boards. Perry is retired and only sings BG vox once or twice a year now. Isn't that enough for you?

I'll tell you what is "enough" for me...this farce being pawned off as Journey.

It is not.

End it.

And it's taken you NINE YEARS to notice?

Hardly.

What is your point (assuming you have one)?

[larocque6689]

I'm still hoping Neal and Jon will come to their senses. But until then, they deserve some public pasting. But I won't accept a new player to the band, given what's happened. Jeff brought (some of) the Perry fans back into the fold, precisely because he didn't sound like Perry, and he still did justice to the back catalog. To fire him for not sounding enough like Perry is a complete joke, unless they really did want Steve back. And it's clear to me they don't at this point.

[Matthew]

OR you Loons could just ignore the band and its boards. Perry is retired and only sings BG vox once or twice a year now. Isn't that enough for you?

I'll tell you what is "enough" for me...this farce being pawned off as Journey.

It is not.

End it.

And it's taken you NINE YEARS to notice?

Hardly.

What is your point (assuming you have one)?

Sorry - I mistook you for one of those fans who have - unbelievably - just realized that Journey have no interest in moving beyond the Perry era.

[heardonthestreet]

Bottom line for me is that I believe in redemption for all involved. It's a band and never say never can mean that even if there are no plans at present, anything is possible and it does not cost anything to hope and believe. They are human and not gods, no matter what Nig believes. Perry said that the magic that they created together was greater than what they did as individuals. I believe this, even though I love his solo efforts. I can't believe that it's never going to happen just once more for all of us to finally reunite for a common love of the Journey that made most of the world their fans.

And I have not even started on my bottle of white wine yet.

[Tomulator]

Bottom line for me is that I believe in redemption for all involved. It's a band and never say never can mean that even if there are no plans at present, anything is possible and it does not cost anything to hope and believe. They are human and not gods, no matter what Nig believes. Perry said that the magic that they created together was greater than what they did as individuals. I believe this, even though I love his solo efforts. I can't believe that it's never going to happen just once more for all of us to finally reunite for a common love of the Journey that made most of the world their fans.

And I have not even started on my bottle of white wine yet.

Start it immediately.

Geez.

It's over.

[ohsherrie]

From your fingertips to someone's ears HOTS.

[heardonthestreet]

Bottom line for me is that I believe in redemption for all involved. It's a band and never say never can mean that even if there are no plans at present, anything is possible and it does not cost anything to hope and believe. They are human and not gods, no matter what Nig believes. Perry said that the magic that they created together was greater than what they did as individuals. I believe this, even though I love his solo efforts. I can't believe that it's never going to happen just once more for all of us to finally reunite for a common love of the Journey that made most of the world their fans.

And I have not even started on my bottle of white wine yet.

Start it immediately.

Geez.

It's over.



Not until the fat lady sings, lol.'m not fat, so no wisecracks.

Listen to the words to "Still She Cries." Apply the principle to Journey. I could forgive Cain a lot for the keyboards on this.

[stevew2]

The guy in white stated that he was glad that Perry showed up as Perry had just as much right, if not more, to be there as he, Augeri did.

Boy that really PISSED me off!!!! No one deserved to be there more than Steve Perry. This 'continue the legacy' bullshit is just that... bullshit. I don't knock SA for his role in the band (well, until the end), but for anyone in that band to say something like that...

Anyway, welcome SPFan4ever!! It was a great post, and the sentiments are felt by many of us fellow 'loons' here.

Well, Augie was right. Perry did have just as much right, if not more, to be there. Is that inaccurate? Obviously, he had more right.

I dont agree, Steve A had a right to be there also. He was in the band for 6 years by then?? Me and many other fans emailed and sent letters out to urge the commitee to help get them inducted.We wouldnt have done that if we werent diggin Journey which there lead singer was Steve A .At the time most people { even here} liked Steve A.He also recorded 2 cds with them. I dont like what happened at the end either,but that that should discredit what the he did for the band earlier.He had as much right to be there as Neal. At least he didnt stand with his arm around Steve P {like Neal did} then talking shit about him afterwards.

It's inaccurate in the sense that Augeri was suggesting that the issue of whether or not Perry had "more" right to be there was open to speculation. Of course, any sane or non-delusional person would know that there is no doubt whatsoever that Perry had more right to be there and that Augeri - who barely had any right to be there at all - should have kept his mouth shut.

Exactly. I would have preferred to see SA in the audience, in a support role for the band, rather than standing up there with them as one who contributed to earning that star. The same goes for anyone else who isn't: SP, NS, JC, RV, GR and SS. Notice I am not including Randy Jackson or Mike Baird, who probably contributed more to the commercial success of Journey than SA did.

Again, I don't discount what Steve Augeri did for the band (kept them going) but when all is said and done, I believe he will be remembered more for the way he exited than for his tenure in the band. And I'm not sure he'll even be remembered for that. Steve Perry will forever be the "voice" of Journey, to all but the most diehard Augeri fans. JMO, of course.

[donnaplease]

Steve, I was looking for your response, and I think I found it:

I dont agree, Steve A had a right to be there also. He was in the band for 6 years by then?? Me and many other fans emailed and sent letters out to urge the commitee to help get them inducted.We wouldnt have done that if we werent diggin Journey which there lead singer was Steve A .At the time most people { even here} liked Steve A.He also recorded 2 cds with them. I dont like what happened at the end either,but that that should discredit what the he did for the band earlier.He had as much right to be there as Neal. At least he didnt stand with his arm around Steve P {like Neal did} then talking shit about him afterwards.

I understand your perspective, and I respect it. I just don't happen to agree with it. To me, this was about Journey's "stardom" and I just don't think SA really did anything to contribute to that. It is very true that he 'carried on' what the others I mentioned started, and he deserves credit for that. His 6 years and 2 CDs just didn't amount to much to anyone who isn't a die-hard Augeri fan.

I will be very curious to see if that 'legacy sound' that Friga was talking about will include any SA era songs... Jeremey doesn't sing any SA material. Don't know about that other guy.

[journeyinto2001]

Please remember that all the while Augeri, Castronova and Soto were carrying on the Journey legacy playing for literally millions of Journey fans over 9 years, Perry was sitting home collecting huge royalty checks. YES, he brought Journey it's greatest success and YES he is THE VOICE of Journey and no one will ever compare to him, but I disagree with you that band members such as Augeri and Castronova, who worked their asses off for this band, did not deserve to be at the ceremony with Perry. I do agree that "the stone has been cracked" at this point and it is a shame what Schon and Cain have done in terms of damage to the band's legacy, having now gone through 2 lead singers since Perry. They are milking the Journey legacy for all the cash they can get before the sun sets on Journey.....

[stevew2]

Its seems like all three of us agree with the last part of your reply. They are milking the legacy, {like they really have one now}

[PROPERRY]

I agree! Both Augeri and Deen SHOULD have stepped a side for Perry and Smith. After all Augeri & Deen were not in the band, in the time period that those GREAT successful dirty dozen songs were created, which ultimately got Journey to the WOF.

And Neal & Jon, PLEASE GET Perry & Smith back in Journey, even if it is just for ONE show!!

[ScarabGator]

Spoken from a TRUE Steve Perry fan!!! I respect your opinion and I too am a huge SP fan BUT to say they have no business carrying on the legacy is wrong. There was a Journey before SP and yes, he is responsible for what they became and what they still do today BUT Neal Schon is a founding member-he has ALL right to do what he sees fit in the name of Journey. Thats the business end of it. The crack on Steve Augeri and Deen Castronovo is off base. They were asked to be there by Schon/Valory/Cain. SA contributed to Journey still being discussed today, like it or not. I for one like the SA era and the Arrival CD is one that I listen to regulary. A buddy of mine-25 years old-has heard it at my place so much that he said yesterday he was going on Amazon and getting it, he has grown attached to it. I look at other bands that are going on without very prominent original members-STYX, Foreigner, REO, Survivor, LOverboy, The Stones, Led Zep, Bad Company, Queen, Pink Floyd and thats just to name a few. Should all of them just decide to kick back in the rocking chair and reminince about the past??? OK, EVERYBODY on this board understands that JSS was dealt a shitty hand. Its not the first time in the music industry that this has happened and it wont be the last. Journey is not perfect, just a dynamic band that obviously you all love. If you dont then why bother going on a message board and even discussing them? You are upset with the current direction, thats understandable but if you didnt love them still then you need to find a new hobby and quit spending so much time discussing them. It would make my year complete if SP came back, but we know thats not gonna happen so I'm gonna sit back and wait on progress in the camp. I am excited for the future and I will be at the concerts planned in 2008 and guess what? I will have a bunch of fellow Journey fans with me! It is SP's decision to stay away from Journey, not the current lineups.

[Tomulator]

Spoken from a TRUE Steve Perry fan!!! I respect your opinion and I too am a huge SP fan BUT to say they have no business carrying on the legacy is wrong. There was a Journey before SP and yes, he is responsible for what they became and what they still do today BUT Neal Schon is a founding member-he has ALL right to do what he sees fit in the name of Journey. Thats the business end of it. The crack on Steve Augeri and Deen Castronovo is off base. They were asked to be there by Schon/Valory/Cain. SA contributed to Journey still being discussed today, like it or not. I for one like the SA era and the Arrival CD is one that I listen to regulary. A buddy of mine-25 years old-has heard it at my place so much that he said yesterday he was going on Amazon and getting it, he has grown attached to it. I look at other bands that are going on without very prominent original members-STYX, Foreigner, REO, Survivor, LOverboy, The Stones, Led Zep, Bad Company, Queen, Pink Floyd and thats just to name a few. Should all of them just decide to kick back in the rocking chair and reminince about the past??? OK, EVERYBODY on this board understands that JSS was dealt a shitty hand. Its not the first time in the music industry that this has happened and it wont be the last. Journey is not perfect, just a dynamic band that obviously you all love. If you dont then why bother going on a message board and even discussing them? You are upset with the current direction, thats understandable but if you didnt love them still then you need to find a new hobby and quit spending so much time discussing them. It would make my year complete if SP came back, but we know thats not gonna happen so I'm gonna sit back and wait on progress in the camp. I am excited for the future and I will be at the concerts planned in 2008 and guess what? I will have a bunch of fellow Journey fans with me! It is SP's decision to stay away from Journey, not the current lineups.

I have to ask you...did you ever see SP with Journey "live" ?

If you had, you would be very clear that Journey is but a "shell" of it's former self without him and really need to move on and do other things.

Leave well enough ALONE. Where is it written that every classic band has to "carry on" with whomever fits the suit as a frontman?

Hasn't anyone ever heard of "good taste"? Geez, let the Journey legacy be and do something ELSE!

[ScarabGator]

Spoken from a TRUE Steve Perry fan!!! I respect your opinion and I too am a huge SP fan BUT to say they have no business carrying on the legacy is wrong. There was a Journey before SP and yes, he is responsible for what they became and what they still do today BUT Neal Schon is a founding member-he has ALL right to do what he sees fit in the name of Journey. Thats the business end of it. The crack on Steve Augeri and Deen Castronovo is off base. They were asked to be there by Schon/Valory/Cain. SA contributed to Journey still being discussed today, like it or not. I for one like the SA era and the Arrival CD is one that I listen to regulary. A buddy of mine-25 years old-has heard it at my place so much that he said yesterday he was going on Amazon and getting it, he has grown attached to it. I look at other bands that are going on without very prominent original members-STYX, Foreigner, REO, Survivor, LOverboy, The Stones, Led Zep, Bad Company, Queen, Pink Floyd and thats just to name a few. Should all of them just decide to kick back in the rocking chair and reminince about the past??? OK, EVERYBODY on this board understands that JSS was dealt a shitty hand. Its not the first time in the music industry that this has happened and it wont be the last. Journey is not perfect, just a dynamic band that obviously you all love. If you dont then why bother going on a message board and even discussing them? You are upset with the current direction, thats understandable but if you didnt love them still then you need to find a new hobby and quit spending so much time discussing them. It would make my year complete if SP came back, but we know thats not gonna happen so I'm gonna sit back and wait on progress in the camp. I am excited for the future and I will be at the concerts planned in 2008 and guess what? I will have a bunch of fellow Journey fans with me! It is SP's decision to stay away from Journey, not the current lineups.

I have to ask you...did you ever see SP with Journey "live" ?

If you had, you would be very clear that Journey is but a "shell" of it's former self without him and really need to move on and do other things.

Leave well enough ALONE. Where is it written that every classic band has to "carry on" with whomever fits the suit as a frontman?

Hasn't anyone ever heard of "good taste"? Geez, let the Journey legacy be and do something ELSE!

Yes I did, good fortune shined on me back in 1983 and I saw them in Miami with Aerosmith and bryan Adams. Great show! Sure Journey is not what they were then but neither is Foreigner(saw them in 85) or STYX(saw them in 84) Whats your point????

[SPFan4ever]

Gregg Rolie was vocals for Journey before anyone. Then Robert was a road vocal only. When Steve came onboard they re-recorded "Anytime" and it was a hit.

As you stated, Neal/Cain asked Steve A. to be a part of the walk of fame. THEY did not even invite Steve, he showed up on his own!

Steve P. is what makes the Journey a legacy. I think Cain is finally starting to see that now.

If you remember, the others bailed and they became three once again, Perry, Schon and Cain. They then brought on Randy Jackson and they were 4. They continued on with Journey. Now they are nothing without the other.

Middle aged men trying to rake in the cash. If they have any integrity left and they want to rake in on the cash they would go and get the two Steve's back and tour. I wish I could be there when both Steve's tell them thanks, but no thanks.

Steve P. is NO longer committed to any contracts. He could not go out and sing ANY Journey songs under contract even if he wanted to. Now, he can go and sing all of them he wants to. He said he is not going to ruin the songs nor the legacy.

If Journey wanted to continue playing and raking in the cash, fine.. take Journey in another direction. If they are out trying to find a SP clone then that tells me all I needed to know.

[journeyinto2001]

Gregg Rolie was vocals for Journey before anyone. Then Robert was a road vocal only. When Steve came onboard they re-recorded "Anytime" and it was a hit.

As you stated, Neal/Cain asked Steve A. to be a part of the walk of fame. THEY did not even invite Steve, he showed up on his own!

Steve P. is what makes the Journey a legacy. I think Cain is finally starting to see that now.

If you remember, the others bailed and they became three once again, Perry, Schon and Cain. They then brought on Randy Jackson and they were 4. They continued on with Journey. Now they are nothing without the other.

Middle aged men trying to rake in the cash. If they have any integrity left and they want to rake in on the cash they would go and get the two Steve's back and tour. I wish I could be there when both Steve's tell them thanks, but no thanks.

Steve P. is NO longer committed to any contracts. He could not go out and sing ANY Journey songs under contract even if he wanted to. Now, he can go and sing all of them he wants to. He said he is not going to ruin the songs nor the legacy.

If Journey wanted to continue playing and raking in the cash, fine.. take Journey in another direction. If they are out trying to find a SP clone then that tells me all I needed to know.

YOU KNOW it is BULLSHIT when you state that Schon/Cain did not invite Perry. They were publicly stating in interviews that he absolutely should be there. Steve P is a BIG part of the Journey legacy but he alone does not make it. Without Schon's guitar, there is and never would have been Journey. Rolie and Cain added a lot as well. It IS a BAND and thus 1 member does not make a band, just like 1 player does not make a team. I agree that there is little integrity left though, they are simply trying to cash in with a Perry soundalike at this point. They have given up trying to break out in a new direction and accepted there place as a nostalgia band.

[SPFan4ever]

And back at you with the BULLSHIT. You have NO clue what you are talking about. lol. Has Journey present even come close to Journey past? Hell no! Journey is not Journey without Steve Perry. He has proven that he can be Journey without them. That should explain WHY they want that "Journey sound back"

Click the link and read the first paragrah "Journey Reunite in L.A."

http://www.steveperryfanclub.homestead. ... fFame.html

I guess you will find a way to dispute Rolling Stone.

[brywool]

If you are a true Journey fan, then possibly you can relate to what I am typing here.

First of all, there is no more Journey. The Journey that we all held up our lighters for at the heartfelt music coming from Steve Perry is no more. He WAS Journey. I do not care if Neal Schon and company find 50 more Steve Perry clones, it is not and will not be Journey and they will NEVER find anyone better than Steve Perry.

What we have here are a group of middle-aged men who are trying to get back "the voice" of Steve Perry, and still touring as if they were young adults. That is not going to happen. What they should be doing instead is trying to mend fences with Steve and then they could possibly play smaller venues calling themselves "Journey: The Reunion.”


I was livid to see Steve Augeri and Robert Fleischman at the Hollywood Walk of Fame ceremony. Those two men should not have been there. The Journey that earned that star consisted of Steve Perry and bandmates from 1978 to 1997. Steve is the one that brought Journey to fame. Instead, he had to show up on his own. Meanwhile, Neal was STILL trying to use Steve to promote his own agenda.


I have listened to all the Perry "clones" and not once did any of them EVER hit the notes that Steve did, nor do I feel the music anymore. No one can deliver Journey's music like Steve did.

I read on this forum where someone stated that Steve has a deep voice now. If you feel this is true, then you have not heard him singing with David Pack from Ambrosia. Please take a moment to listen to this tune and then come back with the deep voice statement. Steve still has his beautiful tenor hearty voice that no one else can seem to master. This song was recorded in 2005 and judging by the sound of his voice he still has more hits left in him. Trust me, you will know his voice when you hear it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFDtoVPm160

If and when he decides to release another (hopefully blues) album, Journey will finally be put to rest and exposed as the greedy, self-absorbed middle-aged men currently making up the roster. Grow up guys!

There are few musicians out there who actually get the music and can deliver it. Steve Perry did just that.


Neal, please leave Journey alone and let us have our memories! Don't ruin Journey and it's legacy.


Rest in Peace, Journey.

God, Please Let Back Talk open again...

[ScarabGator]

Gregg Rolie was vocals for Journey before anyone. Then Robert was a road vocal only. When Steve came onboard they re-recorded "Anytime" and it was a hit.

As you stated, Neal/Cain asked Steve A. to be a part of the walk of fame. THEY did not even invite Steve, he showed up on his own!

Steve P. is what makes the Journey a legacy. I think Cain is finally starting to see that now.

If you remember, the others bailed and they became three once again, Perry, Schon and Cain. They then brought on Randy Jackson and they were 4. They continued on with Journey. Now they are nothing without the other.

Middle aged men trying to rake in the cash. If they have any integrity left and they want to rake in on the cash they would go and get the two Steve's back and tour. I wish I could be there when both Steve's tell them thanks, but no thanks.

Steve P. is NO longer committed to any contracts. He could not go out and sing ANY Journey songs under contract even if he wanted to. Now, he can go and sing all of them he wants to. He said he is not going to ruin the songs nor the legacy.

If Journey wanted to continue playing and raking in the cash, fine.. take Journey in another direction. If they are out trying to find a SP clone then that tells me all I needed to know.

Neal Schon PUBLICLY stated he hoped Steve Perry would show up!!! He invited SP to join in for the WOF concert that night!!! AND Randy Jackson was never the 4th member of Journey, he was a side musician for 1 album.

[SPFan4ever]

Provide us with some proof. I am going by this link that you overlooked.

http://www.steveperryfanclub.homestead. ... fFame.html

One of the MANY times I saw Journey, Randy Jackson was with them.

It is funny how some of you THINK you know stuff.

Of the four musicians hired to fill the shoes of Ross Valory and Steve Smith during the recording of Raised on Radio and the subsequent tour (1986), only Randy Jackson appeared both on the album itself and live with the band, thus making him the only one who came close to being considered a full-fledged member of the band. He had also previously appeared as an additional bassist on Frontiers (1983). His membership was, of course, temporary; the band cut the tour short due to Steve Perry's exhaustion and went on a hiatus which lasted ten years. During the hiatus, Randy maintained his friendship with Steve Perry, and helped him put together his band for the For the Love of Strange Medecine solo album (1994) and tour (1995). Following the hiatus, Smith and Valory returned to the band for Trial by Fire (1996), thus eliminating the possibility of a return to Journey for Randy Jackson.

[Andrew]

I agree! Both Augeri and Deen SHOULD have stepped a side for Perry and Smith. After all Augeri & Deen were not in the band, in the time period that those GREAT successful dirty dozen songs were created, which ultimately got Journey to the WOF.

And Neal & Jon, PLEASE GET Perry & Smith back in Journey, even if it is just for ONE show!!

Deen should not be included in any debate....he's a good guy who just keeps his head down and does his job. EVERYONE would love to see Perry back, but it just isn't going tohappen.
The band have TRIED, but Steve's answer is always no. I'm not saying that's good/bad or who's fault....just stating the fact that he is not returning.

[Matthew]

Steve P. is what makes the Journey a legacy. I think Cain is finally starting to see that now.

Cain saw that as far back as 1989...but got corrupted along the way. Of all the current members of the band he misses Perry the
most, I reckon....

[PROPERRY]

I agree! Both Augeri and Deen SHOULD have stepped a side for Perry and Smith. After all Augeri & Deen were not in the band, in the time period that those GREAT successful dirty dozen songs were created, which ultimately got Journey to the WOF.

And Neal & Jon, PLEASE GET Perry & Smith back in Journey, even if it is just for ONE show!!

Deen should not be included in any debate....he's a good guy who just keeps his head down and does his job. EVERYONE would love to see Perry back, but it just isn't going tohappen.
The band have TRIED, but Steve's answer is always no. I'm not saying that's good/bad or who's fault....just stating the fact that he is not returning.

Andrew, you don't have to tell me what Perry has said, I'm well aware that he has said NO to Journey, BUT that certainly doesn't mean I can't put my HOPES & WISHES just like everyone else did on this thread about Perry.

[Lady Luck]

This song was recorded in 2005 and judging by the sound of his voice he still has more hits left in him. Trust me, you will know his voice when you hear it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFDtoVPm160

Wow...great song. No mistaking that voice.

[larryfromnextdoor]

a newbie closing in on a 3 page thread!! its just not right......

[Ratgirl]

This song was recorded in 2005 and judging by the sound of his voice he still has more hits left in him. Trust me, you will know his voice when you hear it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFDtoVPm160

Wow...great song. No mistaking that voice.

Beautiful song.. and your right cant miss that voice.

[heardonthestreet]

I agree! Both Augeri and Deen SHOULD have stepped a side for Perry and Smith. After all Augeri & Deen were not in the band, in the time period that those GREAT successful dirty dozen songs were created, which ultimately got Journey to the WOF.

And Neal & Jon, PLEASE GET Perry & Smith back in Journey, even if it is just for ONE show!!

Deen should not be included in any debate....he's a good guy who just keeps his head down and does his job. EVERYONE would love to see Perry back, but it just isn't going tohappen.
The band have TRIED, but Steve's answer is always no. I'm not saying that's good/bad or who's fault....just stating the fact that he is not returning.

It's not a fact but just your opinion Andrew. Maybe he was giving them time to see if they could be relevant without him and after a decade, we can see that it's not going to happen.

Enter Perry to save the day. Sorry, half my bottle of wine is gone.

[journeyinto2001]

And back at you with the BULLSHIT. You have NO clue what you are talking about. lol. Has Journey present even come close to Journey past? Hell no! Journey is not Journey without Steve Perry. He has proven that he can be Journey without them. That should explain WHY they want that "Journey sound back"

Click the link and read the first paragrah "Journey Reunite in L.A."

http://www.steveperryfanclub.homestead. ... fFame.html

I guess you will find a way to dispute Rolling Stone.

He has proven that he can be Journey without them? This says volumes about your knowledge of Journey, lack thereof, that is! I saw Perry in 94' and while he sounded amazing, the band was okay but FAR FAR from Journey quality and passion. And I didn't even look at the Rolling Stone link. Perry himself has even stated years ago that "We use it in the bathroom." What you have proven with your posts is that you are a Perry fan, not a Journey fan, because a Journey fan is a fan of THE BAND. You clearly are not.....

[SPFan4ever]

And what have you proven? All you have proved to me is that you post your thoughts without true facts to back it up. Then you come in attacking people for what they believe backed with facts, which further proves you have no knowledge of Steve nor Journey.

You have NO idea. lol.

I am still waiting on your proof and facts. And I am sure none of us will get anything out of you but what we have gotten.