The third man from the right IS Arnel Pineda

[*Laura]

I hope he gets the job as long as can create and not just cover the hits well.

Arnel writes songs and I believe he's good at that,too.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=JFioizsgrlA

He wrote this one for the band Zoo.

[Wheels Of Fyre]

They look great, Arnel is a monster on vocals, his accent when he talks is insignificantly small, invisible when he sings, and he looks like a good guy. If a guy with his talent from a poor country makes good, I got nothing against that!

I hope he gets the job as long as can create and not just cover the hits well.

The remarks against him for his accent and nationality are shallow and only reflect bad on you.

I wholeheartedly disagree.

They're NOT shallow? So you're saying that they're deep, contemplative considerations...?

I think there will be a large group of hot dog eating, beer drinking American Journey fans that will reject Journey with Arnel as the singer.

I believe a pretty cool cat put this into proper perspective: for every hot dog-eating, beer-drinking American Journey fan that's lost - ten more fans will be captured.

[crazy mar tay]

I don't care what he is..or his origin , if he's a gay or str8 he is one of the most amazing singers I've heard in years!!!

That's all that matters to me is that. Everything else is gravy if he has it. He looks younger so that is even better for the guys in the band.

They'd do well to hire this lad...that other tribute singer wasn't to good IMO not Journey calibur. This kid??? Out of sight singer. For a second or two I thought i was listening to a lip-sync!

Amazing the more i hear about him. Guys'/gals, do you REALLY give a shite if the dude is Asian??? Or a foreigner??? I don't. I love his voice and his presence he is awesome and I hope he gets the gig...


Augeri fan, Soto fan, Journey fan , Rock fan



crazy mar'tay

[Matthew]

That said, I think there will be a large group of hot dog eating, beer drinking American Journey fans that will reject Journey with Arnel as the singer.

Just as they've rejected new material or any attempt the band makes to innovate or surprise. Journey have been pandering to this type of fan for so long it's virtually killed off any creativity the band had. It's great to see that Journey might be taking a risk like this and I reckon when Arnel has spent some time with the band and he actually starts singing live even the most bone-headed audiences will be impressed.

[Wheels Of Fyre]

That said, I think there will be a large group of hot dog eating, beer drinking American Journey fans that will reject Journey with Arnel as the singer.

Just as they've rejected new material or any attempt the band makes to innovate or surprise. Journey have been pandering to this type of fan for so long it's virtually killed off any creativity the band had. It's great to see that Journey might be taking a risk like this and I reckon when Arnel has spent some time with the band and he actually starts singing live even the most bone-headed audiences will be impressed.

Yeah. The fans have just been smothering this band for so many years. Their legacy is to explore new frontiers and all the fans have wanted to do is wallow in their own glory days.

I'm not a pimply-faced teen in high school anymore. If I want to get nostalgic I'll pop in something from the SP era. Otherwise, I'd like to see them surge forward and give me something new to cheer about.

JSS was sure to have brought something however there was just too much baggage with him.

I think you're right about the boneheads. Even if they aren't impressed then they can just spin E5C4P3 for the bazillionth time and cry in their beer - not to mention choke down a few dogs, too (hot dogs that is).

[Andrew]

JSS was sure to have brought something however there was just too much baggage with him.

To put it politely....you are speaking out of your bottom on this particular matter.

[Wheels Of Fyre]

JSS was sure to have brought something however there was just too much baggage with him.

To put it politely....you are speaking out of your bottom on this particular matter.

First of all I like JSS. What I mean by "baggage" is this:

He inadvertently insulted A LOT of BT fans. You know what I'm talking about. He also was associated with this forum and certain members - all of which have been perceived as the reasons behind the SA horror story. We all know what the details are and have our own perceptions of them so there's no sense going into them.

I'm simply saying that there was baggage. I'm not assigning blame - just making an observation. If I were JOURNEY I'd have to cut that baggage, too. Although I may have found a "nicer" way.

I was charged about JSS, too. It took me a while to get up to speed with him but I was charged. What I couldn't stand was the constant bickering between fans regarding how, when and why he was brought in. Way too much drama - way too much baggage.

[Andrew]

He inadvertently insulted A LOT of BT fans.

You mean the fans that the band cares so deeply about, they cut them all off at the knees without explination? RIP Back Talk.

[Matthew]

JSS was sure to have brought something however there was just too much baggage with him.

To put it politely....you are speaking out of your bottom on this particular matter.

First of all I like JSS. What I mean by "baggage" is this:

He inadvertently insulted A LOT of BT fans. You know what I'm talking about. He also was associated with this forum and certain members - all of which have been perceived as the reasons behind the SA horror story. We all know what the details are and have our own perceptions of them so there's no sense going into them.

I'm simply saying that there was baggage. I'm not assigning blame - just making an observation. If I were JOURNEY I'd have to cut that baggage, too. Although I may have found a "nicer" way.

I was charged about JSS, too. It took me a while to get up to speed with him but I was charged. What I couldn't stand was the constant bickering between fans regarding how, when and why he was brought in. Way too much drama - way too much baggage.

I'm wondering if the 'baggage' might actually be the $300,000 Schon spent on Soul Sirkus. So if JSS was being gung-ho about Journey's recording career - and the investment being offered from the London office of the major label was underwhelming - then I can see that Schon would be reluctant to risk any futher investment himself. Had JSS just thought - fuck it, I'll just sing the hits for these guys and that'll pay the bills - I reckon he might still be in the band.

[Saint John]

They look great, Arnel is a monster on vocals, his accent when he talks is insignificantly small, invisible when he sings, and he looks like a good guy. If a guy with his talent from a poor country makes good, I got nothing against that!

I hope he gets the job as long as can create and not just cover the hits well.

The remarks against him for his accent and nationality are shallow and only reflect bad on you.

I wholeheartedly disagree.

They're NOT shallow? So you're saying that they're deep, contemplative considerations...?

I think there will be a large group of hot dog eating, beer drinking American Journey fans that will reject Journey with Arnel as the singer.

I believe a pretty cool cat put this into proper perspective: for every hot dog-eating, beer-drinking American Journey fan that's lost - ten more fans will be captured.

Keep dreaming Fyre. I truly believe that if Arnel was a Caucasian American that you'd be expressing luke warm interest. The fact that he is from another country, a non-American, gives you a boner in some silly, twisted way. And for you to think that for every fan they'll lose 10 will be gained is simply stupid. I noticed that you took my "I wholeheartedly disagree" comment and let it stand alone rather than posting my ensuing logical argument. You're like a shitty journalist. You pick and choose tidbits of information that suit your argument rather than the totality of the post.

[xflajrnylvr]

They look great, Arnel is a monster on vocals, his accent when he talks is insignificantly small, invisible when he sings, and he looks like a good guy. If a guy with his talent from a poor country makes good, I got nothing against that!

I hope he gets the job as long as can create and not just cover the hits well.

there will not be any new music from them If they were going o do that they would/should have kept Jeff for that

they are a state fair band now

[Wheels Of Fyre]

They look great, Arnel is a monster on vocals, his accent when he talks is insignificantly small, invisible when he sings, and he looks like a good guy. If a guy with his talent from a poor country makes good, I got nothing against that!

I hope he gets the job as long as can create and not just cover the hits well.

The remarks against him for his accent and nationality are shallow and only reflect bad on you.

I wholeheartedly disagree.

They're NOT shallow? So you're saying that they're deep, contemplative considerations...?

I think there will be a large group of hot dog eating, beer drinking American Journey fans that will reject Journey with Arnel as the singer.

I believe a pretty cool cat put this into proper perspective: for every hot dog-eating, beer-drinking American Journey fan that's lost - ten more fans will be captured.

Keep dreaming Fyre. I truly believe that if Arnel was a Caucasian American that you'd be expressing luke warm interest. The fact that he is from another country, a non-American, gives you a boner in some silly, twisted way. And for you to think that for every fan they'll lose 10 will be gained is simply stupid. I noticed that you took my "I wholeheartedly disagree" comment and let it stand alone rather than posting my ensuing logical argument. You're like a shitty journalist. You pick and choose tidbits of information that suit your argument rather than the totality of the post.

That's silly. I'm as American as they come. And because I am I put TALENT before and above anything else - including "race" or culture. Nothing you've charged is at all founded in reality. I've posted lots of stuff here, there, and everywhere and none of it supports what you're saying here. Just a weak attempt at trying to get a rise out of someone. You clearly watch too much Jerry Springer!

I snipped your quote because that was all I needed to quote. You disagree and then claim victim. Why don't you explain then what's so meaningful about your comments? I think it's fair to say that they're rather shallow. Maybe I'm missing something? Anddon't tell me it's the left hemisphere of my brain - I know that already.

[Saint John]

Fyre, you're pro-illegal immigration, which makes you anything but "as American as they come." As for whether or not my comments are "meaningful" I'll say this....Journey is a corporation, a group of guys on the road to make money and play music...in that order. Hypothesizing whether or not people are going to accept Arnel and his accent may not be meaningful to you, but I'm quite certain Journey and management have more than explored what these obstacles, as many perceive them, will do to the bottom line. They'd be foolish not to. Some of us here have merely constructively pondered the same thing(s) without name calling, stereotypes and such. So fuck off.

[NealIsGod]

Don't worry, SJ. Arnel is not in the band.

[ScarabGator]

Don't worry, SJ. Arnel is not in the band.

what do you know that Andrew doesnt?

[Wheels Of Fyre]

Fyre, you're pro-illegal immigration, which makes you anything but "as American as they come." As for whether or not my comments are "meaningful" I'll say this....Journey is a corporation, a group of guys on the road to make money and play music...in that order. Hypothesizing whether or not people are going to accept Arnel and his accent may not be meaningful to you, but I'm quite certain Journey and management have more than explored what these obstacles, as many perceive them, will do to the bottom line. They'd be foolish not to. Some of us here have merely constructively pondered the same thing(s) without name calling, stereotypes and such. So fuck off.

Fyre, you're pro-illegal immigration, which makes you anything but "as American as they come." As for whether or not my comments are "meaningful" I'll say this....Journey is a corporation, a group of guys on the road to make money and play music...in that order. Hypothesizing whether or not people are going to accept Arnel and his accent may not be meaningful to you, but I'm quite certain Journey and management have more than explored what these obstacles, as many perceive them, will do to the bottom line. They'd be foolish not to. Some of us here have merely constructively pondered the same thing(s) without name calling, stereotypes and such. So fuck off.

I'm not pro-illegal immigration. What a bunch of nonsense. If that were the case then my wife and I wouldn't have filed for a fiance visa to get her here legally and then subsequently filed for a Green Card. We have lots of illegal friends and it irks me to no end. You clearly haven't a clue.

This is pointless. Go eat some more dogs and wash them down with some beer and get back to me. You make much more sense when you're drunk.

[NealIsGod]

Don't worry, SJ. Arnel is not in the band.

what do you know that Andrew doesnt?

Just what I said. He is as much the new singer as Jeremey is. It isn't over yet.

[stevew2]

Everybody looking great,don't you think so? I like it.
Look what Ross is holding Mmm yummy

[fightingilliniJRNY]

there will not be any new music from them If they were going o do that they would/should have kept Jeff for that

they are a state fair band now

Again, tell me why having Arnel as new singer means no new music. I don't buy into that at all. They're just as likely to create new music with Arnel as they were with JSS. Just because their lead singer played in a tribute band doesn't mean he's not allowed to sing new music.

[xflajrnylvr]

Its not because of the new singer but what friga has said numerous times they want to live on the old legacy ( or in other words on the dirty dozen plus some) I just dont see that including new music at all

[Perry86fan]

I don't care who the new singer will be. JSS was the answer for them and they blew it.What are the storys on JC?

[yulog]

They look great, Arnel is a monster on vocals, his accent when he talks is insignificantly small, invisible when he sings, and he looks like a good guy. If a guy with his talent from a poor country makes good, I got nothing against that!

I hope he gets the job as long as can create and not just cover the hits well.

The remarks against him for his accent and nationality are shallow and only reflect bad on you.

I wholeheartedly disagree.

They're NOT shallow? So you're saying that they're deep, contemplative considerations...?

I think there will be a large group of hot dog eating, beer drinking American Journey fans that will reject Journey with Arnel as the singer.

I believe a pretty cool cat put this into proper perspective: for every hot dog-eating, beer-drinking American Journey fan that's lost - ten more fans will be captured.

Keep dreaming Fyre. I truly believe that if Arnel was a Caucasian American that you'd be expressing luke warm interest. The fact that he is from another country, a non-American, gives you a boner in some silly, twisted way. And for you to think that for every fan they'll lose 10 will be gained is simply stupid. I noticed that you took my "I wholeheartedly disagree" comment and let it stand alone rather than posting my ensuing logical argument. You're like a shitty journalist. You pick and choose tidbits of information that suit your argument rather than the totality of the post.

That's silly. I'm as American as they come. And because I am I put TALENT before and above anything else - including "race" or culture. Nothing you've charged is at all founded in reality. I've posted lots of stuff here, there, and everywhere and none of it supports what you're saying here. Just a weak attempt at trying to get a rise out of someone. You clearly watch too much Jerry Springer!

I snipped your quote because that was all I needed to quote. You disagree and then claim victim. Why don't you explain then what's so meaningful about your comments? I think it's fair to say that they're rather shallow. Maybe I'm missing something? Anddon't tell me it's the left hemisphere of my brain - I know that already.

You mean like this talent you put above Race/Culture

.......and all your emotional- drawn out posts that ensued following her demise were like a 48 hr intestinal bug in which liquid stool and foul smelling flatus expelled every 15 minutes like clockwork

What a contradiction!

[Arkansas]

Most of us around here do not follow Journey at all. We do hear 'classic Journey' on the radio every single day...often many times a day. Most of us only know about Steve Perry. Some did realize that Steve Augeri was a replacement and thought that he was just about a dead ringer for Perry. Some of us during last year's Def Leppard tour (Yes, that was the bill...co-headlining wasn't advertised, just DL w/Journey.) thought that 'this fill in guy' is pretty good too.

Thing is, people around here don't care absolutely one iota who is singing for Journey as long as they sound like 'classic Journey'. Yes, we do have hillbillies & rednecks that won't like it when (if) they learn that "some Asian guy" is singing for Journey now. HOWEVER, people around here will still go to the shows. All people around here want is a party night. Cold beers, cigarettes, a little weed, loose women, and the music they grew-up with. They'll talk about their old Camaros, Firebirds, & Mustangs...or that old truck that we used to haul kegs in.

No, I'm not belittling my southern brethren. I'm just stating the obvious.

After each of the shows around here, you'll hear the following conversation. "Wow. That was fun. They were good. They've still got it. Was that Steve Perry? No. Well, I don't know who that short Japaness looking dude is, but he was pretty good. Let's go to the bar."

And that will be all there is to it. I guarantee you.


later~

[conversationpc]

Some did realize that Steve Augeri was a replacement and thought that he was just about a dead ringer for Perry.

I still don't get why anyone thinks that Augeri was a "dead ringer" for Perry. He wasn't nearly as good as Perry and his tone was quite different.

[NealIsGod]

Some did realize that Steve Augeri was a replacement and thought that he was just about a dead ringer for Perry.

I still don't get why anyone thinks that Augeri was a "dead ringer" for Perry. He wasn't nearly as good as Perry and his tone was quite different.

When I first saw and heard him live, I was amazed at how close he was. Over time his individuality came through.

[conversationpc]

Some did realize that Steve Augeri was a replacement and thought that he was just about a dead ringer for Perry.

I still don't get why anyone thinks that Augeri was a "dead ringer" for Perry. He wasn't nearly as good as Perry and his tone was quite different.

When I first saw and heard him live, I was amazed at how close he was. Over time his individuality came through.

You're probably right. The first time I saw them in November '97, I thought he sounded pretty darn close. I could still tell the difference, though, but it wasn't as much as later on.

[Indyjoe]

Thing is, people around here don't care absolutely one iota who is singing for Journey as long as they sound like 'classic Journey'. After each of the shows around here, you'll hear the following conversation. "Wow. That was fun. They were good. They've still got it. Was that Steve Perry? No. Well, I don't know who that short Japaness looking dude is, but he was pretty good. Let's go to the bar."

And that will be all there is to it. I guarantee you.

later~

A little different around here in Southern California. After spending the weekend at Jeff Scott Soto shows, I must throw in you've got to go see his solo shows live.

Anyway Sunday night was Def Leppard, Jeff was backstage and the people around me(at our seats) spotted him. The conversations around me went like "OMG that's Jeff Scott Soto, he sang for Journey last year, did you see him?! Amazing!!!" They were excited just to see him off to the side of the stage! They were not talking about Journey last year they were talking about JEFF. That is how the Def Leppard California fans are. I am not alone in this. Journey picked up lots of new fans last year because of Jeff, they got old fans back that didn't care for Augeri. Those fans are gone now and I think the numbers are huge.

Arnel will pick up fans I am sure, but it is too bad that Journey couldn't care less.

~Wendy

[Escape Artist]

Don't worry, SJ. Arnel is not in the band.

what do you know that Andrew doesnt?

Just what I said. He is as much the new singer as Jeremey is. It isn't over yet.

I hope you are right on this one NIG, I listened to AP on you tube again last night and he just doesn't sound that good to me.
No race cards please, this is all about voice.

[Wheels Of Fyre]

They look great, Arnel is a monster on vocals, his accent when he talks is insignificantly small, invisible when he sings, and he looks like a good guy. If a guy with his talent from a poor country makes good, I got nothing against that!

I hope he gets the job as long as can create and not just cover the hits well.

The remarks against him for his accent and nationality are shallow and only reflect bad on you.

I wholeheartedly disagree.

They're NOT shallow? So you're saying that they're deep, contemplative considerations...?

I think there will be a large group of hot dog eating, beer drinking American Journey fans that will reject Journey with Arnel as the singer.

I believe a pretty cool cat put this into proper perspective: for every hot dog-eating, beer-drinking American Journey fan that's lost - ten more fans will be captured.

Keep dreaming Fyre. I truly believe that if Arnel was a Caucasian American that you'd be expressing luke warm interest. The fact that he is from another country, a non-American, gives you a boner in some silly, twisted way. And for you to think that for every fan they'll lose 10 will be gained is simply stupid. I noticed that you took my "I wholeheartedly disagree" comment and let it stand alone rather than posting my ensuing logical argument. You're like a shitty journalist. You pick and choose tidbits of information that suit your argument rather than the totality of the post.

That's silly. I'm as American as they come. And because I am I put TALENT before and above anything else - including "race" or culture. Nothing you've charged is at all founded in reality. I've posted lots of stuff here, there, and everywhere and none of it supports what you're saying here. Just a weak attempt at trying to get a rise out of someone. You clearly watch too much Jerry Springer!

I snipped your quote because that was all I needed to quote. You disagree and then claim victim. Why don't you explain then what's so meaningful about your comments? I think it's fair to say that they're rather shallow. Maybe I'm missing something? Anddon't tell me it's the left hemisphere of my brain - I know that already.

You mean like this talent you put above Race/Culture

.......and all your emotional- drawn out posts that ensued following her demise were like a 48 hr intestinal bug in which liquid stool and foul smelling flatus expelled every 15 minutes like clockwork

What a contradiction!

I don't get your point. Do you have one?

I was high on Perla because:
1. She has talent (despite the fact that she blew it on AI).
2. AI has run its course in terms of themes. I figured it might be a good time for a Latin theme and that she was a front runner given her origin and "American dream" personal story.
3. Do I need 3?

Emotional, drawn-out posts...? Whatever. I slammed her for blowing it! You just don't get it.

I guess it's not yours to get.

[treetopovskaya]

thanks moni! i really like arnel... wish him much success... in whatever he does. it's going to be interesting to see how he fits in with journey & how the fans respond. i feel arnel will be surprising a lot of people. hope he didn't purchase a one way ticket though. nothing against him... but considering neal & company's track record. }:C|

anyway... i'm saving my money to attend more jss shows. journey can kiss my fanny!!

~ tree

I hope he gets the job as long as can create and not just cover the hits well.

Arnel writes songs and I believe he's good at that,too.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=JFioizsgrlA

He wrote this one for the band Zoo.