Arnel - a good fit for Journey???

[EME]

The guy is an amazing singer, however the politics which have dogged Journey of late won't do him any favours. Their handling of the JSS situation was nothing short of disgraceful..more so that the fans stuck by them with sold out shows all over the place.

God forbid the lad has to deal with some of the right wing zealots who've made their feelings known on his origins and birthplace.

I have to say I'm surprised at how anyone would think Jeremey Hunsicker would have fitted in; a decent voice but he's not a patch on Arnel. One worry is that his voice may not last singing like this night in and night out...SA could handle it in the first year or so...then looked what happened. He struggles ever so slightly on the clip of 'Separate Ways' on YouTube ..mind you, I'd be worried about letting rip with a backing band like that.

A special mention to Kevin Chalfant who's missed the boat....again!

Good luck if indeed Arnel is the new singer, from Journey fans in Scotland.

EME

[Matthew]

Another thing to consider is that people may not be able to put their finger on it...they feel something's off, but can't quantify the fact that there's different leagues in mention....so they may voice that gut feeling with *other* less concerns, nationality, pronunciation, etc...

Also, some people refuse to accept the fact that if he *was* in the same league, you wouldn't hear people fixating on nationality, height, etc. Think about it....if it was some tribesman from some bumfuck african village came out to San Francisco and sang the living shit out the material, sounded JUST like Perry...to the point where you could close your eyes and not tell the difference....would there be less reservation? Sure...absolutely.

There'd be one or two guys making spear-chucking comments....but there'd be far less reservation....

Look at Seal....here's a guy that actually fits the above description (in appearance) He really does look right off the african boat....scars on his face.....but he opens his mouth and your jaw drops at how good he is.


The comments regarding arnels heritage/background can very well be quantifications of someone's reservations about Arnel's legitimate ability to handle the position. It's that simple.

Flip-flopping again, Strangegrey. First you hated JSS and even put together audio examples of how crap he was....then you loved him and are now dedicating your life to avenging his unfair dismissal.

Then you hated Arnel...before changing your mind about him too and you declared that actually he has a great voice...but now you're saying he's not in the right "league" for Journey...by which you don't even mean Perry...you mean Arnel isn't good enough even compared to Steve Augeri...which is laughable in my opinion...

And as for all your rambling rationalisations about the race issue...oh, give us a break.

[StringsOfJoy]

Without singling anyone out, it's pretty clear that no matter who Journey chooses, they won't satisfy everyone. In fact, for some posters on this board, it seems that Journey can't really choose anyone that would satisfy them. I get the sense that for some people even Steve Perry in his prime wouldn't satisfy them.

That's why I think the "accent" thing, or the "nationalist" thing (Journey as an exclusively "American" rock band, etc., etc...), nitpicking over whether someone misses a lyric here and there in a non-Journey concert, is just a lot of smoke that people want to vent against this band. Nothing ever seems to be good enough... Do the same people get pissed when Neal misses a note in a solo or changes it up by accident or design?

It's not like rock's never been here though. In the Golden Era this kind of bashing happened all the time right? How dare some British white kid try to vamp Albert King's licks? Or even worse, mess with Howlin' Wolf's "Smokestack Lightning" like that? Blasphemy!

How dare some art school kid in London and his band the chutzpah to bill his band of yet-to-be-knowns (WHO could they be???) "Maximum R&B" in their first big promotional poster?

How dare a skinny black kid from London, by way of Seattle, take that British R&B back to the U.S., repackage it with some Stateside Motown R&B licks, breathing fire from his Marshall stacks, and cover a collegiate white post-beatnik/hippy favorite folk song WHILE FORGETTING TO SING AN ENTIRE VERSE? To this day, Jimi Hendrix's cover of "Like a Rolling Stone" at Monterey is my favorite rendition of the song, missing verse and all.

Even when he was blitzed on Owsley's Monterey Special Haze and slightly out-of-tune, Jimi still knew at bottom it's all about the music and about having fun with it: "Yeah I know I missed a verse. Don't worry..."

If it was good enough for Jimi, it's good enough for me. I'm not worried.

[Calbear94]

Another thing to consider is that people may not be able to put their finger on it...they feel something's off, but can't quantify the fact that there's different leagues in mention....so they may voice that gut feeling with *other* less concerns, nationality, pronunciation, etc...

Also, some people refuse to accept the fact that if he *was* in the same league, you wouldn't hear people fixating on nationality, height, etc. Think about it....if it was some tribesman from some bumfuck african village came out to San Francisco and sang the living shit out the material, sounded JUST like Perry...to the point where you could close your eyes and not tell the difference....would there be less reservation? Sure...absolutely.

There'd be one or two guys making spear-chucking comments....but there'd be far less reservation....

Look at Seal....here's a guy that actually fits the above description (in appearance) He really does look right off the african boat....scars on his face.....but he opens his mouth and your jaw drops at how good he is.


The comments regarding arnels heritage/background can very well be quantifications of someone's reservations about Arnel's legitimate ability to handle the position. It's that simple.

I'm reminded of what was said on Journey-BTM. As soon as Arnel, begins to sing, jaws will drop. If he is the new singer, he will be prepared/coached/whatever. In my view, Journey has always been well prepared/rehearsed before they've gone out on the road in the U.S. (although sometimes with a few warmups in Japan first). They would have Arnel ready...he'd have all the lyrics down. He'd be so thrilled to be out there with Schon & Co. (even if they are scumbags), he'd be really into the performances. If he seemed a bit static in those clubs, I think he break out on a bigger stage, finding his own groove. The fans will accept him, if he can do the job like quite a few people now think he could.

[strangegrey]

Flip-flopping again, Strangegrey.{snip the stupid idiot's quote}

Mathew, shut the fuck up. Your logic and your ability to decipher it is about as juvenile as your intelligence.

Do yourself a favor, please bother someone else. If you haven't figured it out, I don't like you...don't respond to my posts. Don't even talk in the same fucking threads I do.

You're a loser!!

[roknroseville]

I haven't posted in a long while..
Why does everyone invest so much time in this guessing game?
Journeys average age is what 50+ yrs old?
This isn't 1980 anymore....
I'm still a fan , But......
Whether Jrny gets this guy or that guy to sing It's not gonna change my life either way....

Wanna hear a band that sounds great w/ great songs n vocals?
GOTTHARD..................

[Matthew]

Flip-flopping again, Strangegrey.{snip the stupid idiot's quote}

Mathew, shut the fuck up. Your logic and your ability to decipher it is about as juvenile as your intelligence.

Do yourself a favor, please bother someone else. If you haven't figured it out, I don't like you...don't respond to my posts. Don't even talk in the same fucking threads I do.

You're a loser!!

Next week you'll probably be saying I'm your best friend....

[styxman]

Flip-flopping again, Strangegrey.{snip the stupid idiot's quote}

Mathew, shut the fuck up. Your logic and your ability to decipher it is about as juvenile as your intelligence.

Do yourself a favor, please bother someone else. If you haven't figured it out, I don't like you...don't respond to my posts. Don't even talk in the same fucking threads I do.

You're a loser!!

Next week you'll probably be saying I'm your best friend....

You've broken SG's request Matt

Funny though, how some follow the line straight as a die and others change to suit the current climate. I'm forever changing but I'll give you your dues Matt, you remain in the same camp as always. I'd say at least 60% (myself included) change our views from month to month. So what you've figured is SG changes direction more times than Posh Spice changes outfits in a week, fucking hell SG, get a grip dude

[strangegrey]

Flip-flopping again, Strangegrey.{snip the stupid idiot's quote}

Mathew, shut the fuck up. Your logic and your ability to decipher it is about as juvenile as your intelligence.

Do yourself a favor, please bother someone else. If you haven't figured it out, I don't like you...don't respond to my posts. Don't even talk in the same fucking threads I do.

You're a loser!!

Next week you'll probably be saying I'm your best friend....

No, you'll pretty much always be a douchebag! Go fuck yourself!

[AR]

The guy is an amazing singer, however the politics which have dogged Journey of late won't do him any favours. Their handling of the JSS situation was nothing short of disgraceful..more so that the fans stuck by them with sold out shows all over the place.

God forbid the lad has to deal with some of the right wing zealots who've made their feelings known on his origins and birthplace.

I have to say I'm surprised at how anyone would think Jeremey Hunsicker would have fitted in; a decent voice but he's not a patch on Arnel. One worry is that his voice may not last singing like this night in and night out...SA could handle it in the first year or so...then looked what happened. He struggles ever so slightly on the clip of 'Separate Ways' on YouTube ..mind you, I'd be worried about letting rip with a backing band like that.

A special mention to Kevin Chalfant who's missed the boat....again!

Good luck if indeed Arnel is the new singer, from Journey fans in Scotland.

EME

Nice debut you piece of shit. "Right wing zealots?" I hope you take a nice big Loch Ness Monster dick up your ass. Dude, this Arnel character can not pronounce the words, has no stage presence and looks like a bad American Idol contestant.

I WANT him to be hired so I can laugh at Frig and Fro hysterically. This is an obvious attempt by Frig and Fro to exert total control over someone unsuspecting. He has a pretty good voice in a karoake way, but in no way fits the bill as a rock star frontman. It's ridiculous. Believe me, I don't care - hope he gets the gig. It will be fantastic tragic comedy.

What is really funny are the lemmings/sheep actually considering supporting this. Fucking morons.

[stevew2]

Without singling anyone out, it's pretty clear that no matter who Journey chooses, they won't satisfy everyone. In fact, for some posters on this board, it seems that Journey can't really choose anyone that would satisfy them. I get the sense that for some people even Steve Perry in his prime wouldn't satisfy them.

That's why I think the "accent" thing, or the "nationalist" thing (Journey as an exclusively "American" rock band, etc., etc...), nitpicking over whether someone misses a lyric here and there in a non-Journey concert, is just a lot of smoke that people want to vent against this band. Nothing ever seems to be good enough... Do the same people get pissed when Neal misses a note in a solo or changes it up by accident or design?

It's not like rock's never been here though. In the Golden Era this kind of bashing happened all the time right? How dare some British white kid try to vamp Albert King's licks? Or even worse, mess with Howlin' Wolf's "Smokestack Lightning" like that? Blasphemy!

How dare some art school kid in London and his band the chutzpah to bill his band of yet-to-be-knowns (WHO could they be???) "Maximum R&B" in their first big promotional poster?

How dare a skinny black kid from London, by way of Seattle, take that British R&B back to the U.S., repackage it with some Stateside Motown R&B licks, breathing fire from his Marshall stacks, and cover a collegiate white post-beatnik/hippy favorite folk song WHILE FORGETTING TO SING AN ENTIRE VERSE? To this day, Jimi Hendrix's cover of "Like a Rolling Stone" at Monterey is my favorite rendition of the song, missing verse and all.

Even when he was blitzed on Owsley's Monterey Special Haze and slightly out-of-tune, Jimi still knew at bottom it's all about the music and about having fun with it: "Yeah I know I missed a verse. Don't worry..."

If it was good enough for Jimi, it's good enough for me. I'm not worried.

Are you comparing Arnel and Journey to Jimi ,you are stoned,neither are in his leaque.That is a fucked up comparison

[NealIsGod]

The guy is an amazing singer, however the politics which have dogged Journey of late won't do him any favours. Their handling of the JSS situation was nothing short of disgraceful..more so that the fans stuck by them with sold out shows all over the place.

God forbid the lad has to deal with some of the right wing zealots who've made their feelings known on his origins and birthplace.

I have to say I'm surprised at how anyone would think Jeremey Hunsicker would have fitted in; a decent voice but he's not a patch on Arnel. One worry is that his voice may not last singing like this night in and night out...SA could handle it in the first year or so...then looked what happened. He struggles ever so slightly on the clip of 'Separate Ways' on YouTube ..mind you, I'd be worried about letting rip with a backing band like that.

A special mention to Kevin Chalfant who's missed the boat....again!

Good luck if indeed Arnel is the new singer, from Journey fans in Scotland.

EME

Nice debut you piece of shit. "Right wing zealots?" I hope you take a nice big Loch Ness Monster dick up your ass. Dude, this Arnel character can not pronounce the words, has no stage presence and looks like a bad American Idol contestant.

I WANT him to be hired so I can laugh at Frig and Fro hysterically. This is an obvious attempt by Frig and Fro to exert total control over someone unsuspecting. He has a pretty good voice in a karoake way, but in no way fits the bill as a rock star frontman. It's ridiculous. Believe me, I don't care - hope he gets the gig. It will be fantastic tragic comedy.

What is really funny are the lemmings/sheep actually considering supporting this. Fucking morons.

KA-BOOM!

[Matthew]

This is an obvious attempt by Frig and Fro to exert total control over someone unsuspecting..

How do you know Arnel is "unsuspecting", AR? Maybe he and his manager are totally ruthless and clued up in their dealings with Journey?

[AR]

This is an obvious attempt by Frig and Fro to exert total control over someone unsuspecting..

How do you know Arnel is "unsuspecting", AR? Maybe he and his manager are totally ruthless and clued up in their dealings with Journey?

Matthew - I don't know, but that how I'm perceiving it. Considering Frig and Fro's track record it isn't much of a stretch.

[Matthew]

This is an obvious attempt by Frig and Fro to exert total control over someone unsuspecting..

How do you know Arnel is "unsuspecting", AR? Maybe he and his manager are totally ruthless and clued up in their dealings with Journey?

Matthew - I don't know, but that how I'm perceiving it. Considering Frig and Fro's track record it isn't much of a stretch.

Actually AR - after I wrote that I thought...well, JSS has been around the block and he must have come across a hundred music industry sharks in his time...yet even he was unsuspecting. Also - if Arnel and his manager were ruthless then - as someone pointed out earlier - they would have fired those third-rate backing musicians in The ZOO a long time ago. So I reckon you're probably right...

[conversationpc]

God forbid the lad has to deal with some of the right wing zealots who've made their feelings known on his origins and birthplace.

Leftists are just as apt and, in my opinion, even more likely than "right wing zealots" to be bigoted. In other words, kiss my ass.

[styxman]

God forbid the lad has to deal with some of the right wing zealots who've made their feelings known on his origins and birthplace.

Leftists are just as apt and, in my opinion, even more likely than "right wing zealots" to be bigoted. In other words, kiss my ass.

what about middleists or off centreists, do they get a look in This sort of talk confuses the fuck out of me

[Escape Artist]

This is an obvious attempt by Frig and Fro to exert total control over someone unsuspecting..

How do you know Arnel is "unsuspecting", AR? Maybe he and his manager are totally ruthless and clued up in their dealings with Journey?

Matthew - I don't know, but that how I'm perceiving it. Considering Frig and Fro's track record it isn't much of a stretch.

Actually AR - after I wrote that I thought...well, JSS has been around the block and he must have come across a hundred music industry sharks in his time...yet even he was unsuspecting. Also - if Arnel and his manager were ruthless then - as someone pointed out earlier - they would have fired those third-rate backing musicians in The ZOO a long time ago. So I reckon you're probably right...

You are correct, that it is one of the things that bothered me about Arnel from the get go, how can he be such a "pro" and still have that band backing him... they are just awful.

[StringsOfJoy]

Without singling anyone out, it's pretty clear that no matter who Journey chooses, they won't satisfy everyone. In fact, for some posters on this board, it seems that Journey can't really choose anyone that would satisfy them. I get the sense that for some people even Steve Perry in his prime wouldn't satisfy them.

That's why I think the "accent" thing, or the "nationalist" thing (Journey as an exclusively "American" rock band, etc., etc...), nitpicking over whether someone misses a lyric here and there in a non-Journey concert, is just a lot of smoke that people want to vent against this band. Nothing ever seems to be good enough... Do the same people get pissed when Neal misses a note in a solo or changes it up by accident or design?

It's not like rock's never been here though. In the Golden Era this kind of bashing happened all the time right? How dare some British white kid try to vamp Albert King's licks? Or even worse, mess with Howlin' Wolf's "Smokestack Lightning" like that? Blasphemy!

How dare some art school kid in London and his band the chutzpah to bill his band of yet-to-be-knowns (WHO could they be???) "Maximum R&B" in their first big promotional poster?

How dare a skinny black kid from London, by way of Seattle, take that British R&B back to the U.S., repackage it with some Stateside Motown R&B licks, breathing fire from his Marshall stacks, and cover a collegiate white post-beatnik/hippy favorite folk song WHILE FORGETTING TO SING AN ENTIRE VERSE? To this day, Jimi Hendrix's cover of "Like a Rolling Stone" at Monterey is my favorite rendition of the song, missing verse and all.

Even when he was blitzed on Owsley's Monterey Special Haze and slightly out-of-tune, Jimi still knew at bottom it's all about the music and about having fun with it: "Yeah I know I missed a verse. Don't worry..."

If it was good enough for Jimi, it's good enough for me. I'm not worried.

Are you comparing Arnel and Journey to Jimi ,you are stoned,neither are in his leaque.That is a fucked up comparison

You clearly missed the point. Step away from the bong and re-read my post.

[Jeremey]

You clearly missed the point. Step away from the bong and re-read my post.

And how dare some beer bellied, turkey wattled-necked slouch who couldn't be whipped into shape by the trainers of the cast of the film "300" be considered for the cool looking rock and roll royalty known as Journey?

Sorry dude. I remembered. Just want to make sure you're consistent.

[Rick]

You clearly missed the point. Step away from the bong and re-read my post.

And how dare some beer bellied, turkey wattled-necked slouch who couldn't be whipped into shape by the trainers of the cast of the film "300" be considered for the cool looking rock and roll royalty known as Journey?

Sorry dude. I remembered. Just want to make sure you're consistent.

BAM!!

[StringsOfJoy]

You clearly missed the point. Step away from the bong and re-read my post.

And how dare some beer bellied, turkey wattled-necked slouch who couldn't be whipped into shape by the trainers of the cast of the film "300" be considered for the cool looking rock and roll royalty known as Journey?

Sorry dude. I remembered. Just want to make sure you're consistent.

Fair point, since my original post was about marketability, which is what I think you bristled at when I pointed out that visual marketing was a part of the equation. And being consistent is a good thing...I try to be, but it doesn't break my heart to be inconsistent now if I was consistently wrong in the past.

But I think you might overplay how inconsistent I've been:

I don't think your point is that picking on someone's physical attractiveness, if it's unrelated to their nationality or ethnicity, is morally equivalent to criticizing them for being from a certain country or ethnic group...right? That's why I used Clapton and The Who as examples of people who some purists at the time said were debasing "black music," and then the shock by others that Jimi was playing "white college kid" music (and the heat he caught from the black community, by the way, for playing what they considered white music...how many black faces do you see in the audience at Monterey?).

But maybe I'm wrong. And if so, you certainly have a right to believe that using nationality or ethinicity to criticise a person's marketability is equivalently bad to using their physical conditioning. On that, we'll just have to disagree, but I think I've been consistent on that.

The part about forgetting lyrics was meant to underscore the nitpickiness of other posters here (who don't seem to have a national origin or ethnic bone to pick). I haven't criticized you or anyone else for forgetting a lyric because, as my post in this thread indicated, I see that kind of thing as trivial. So that's pretty consistent too.

I also think you've mischaracterized my earlier post and given it a much more negative slant from the one it had or was intended.

For example, my post didn't include the words "turkey" or "slouch," and, since you brought it up, didn't say you couldn't be whipped into shape by trainers. What I was suggesting, but trying to avoid saying so crudely (but since you brought it back up) is that you'd likely be pressured to get plastic surgery -- a very bad idea, in my view -- to fix the definition of your jawline against your neck. Not nice to have that pressure applied to you and something I think is abhorrent, but something that happens in the industry and frankly wouldn't have surprised me if it had been applied to you.

You also omitted that my post had complimented your vocal ability, your phrasing, and your songwriting. When you PM-ed me privately about the post, I mentioned you should be prepared for the brutality of the image side of the business, and with much piss-and-vinegar you reassured me that you were ready for it. So here we are. Was it worth it?

Maybe all that's beside the point anyway. It sounds like the more important thing is that you seem to think I was insensitive with that earlier post, and I think that's a valid criticism too. So for that, I'm sorry for my insensitivity, I'll work on that, and I hope you accept my apology.

[Rick]

You clearly missed the point. Step away from the bong and re-read my post.

And how dare some beer bellied, turkey wattled-necked slouch who couldn't be whipped into shape by the trainers of the cast of the film "300" be considered for the cool looking rock and roll royalty known as Journey?

Sorry dude. I remembered. Just want to make sure you're consistent.

Fair point, since my original post was about marketability, which is what I think you bristled at when I pointed out that visual marketing was a part of the equation. And being consistent is a good thing...I try to be, but it doesn't break my heart to be inconsistent now if I was consistently wrong in the past.

But I think you might overplay how inconsistent I've been:

I don't think your point is that picking on someone's physical attractiveness, if it's unrelated to their nationality or ethnicity, is morally equivalent to criticizing them for being from a certain country or ethnic group...right? That's why I used Clapton and The Who as examples of people who some purists at the time said were debasing "black music," and then the shock by others that Jimi was playing "white college kid" music (and the heat he caught from the black community, by the way, for playing what they considered white music...how many black faces do you see in the audience at Monterey?).

But maybe I'm wrong. And if so, you certainly have a right to believe that using nationality or ethinicity to criticise a person's marketability is equivalently bad to using their physical conditioning. On that, we'll just have to disagree, but I think I've been consistent on that.

The part about forgetting lyrics was meant to underscore the nitpickiness of other posters here (who don't seem to have a national origin or ethnic bone to pick). I haven't criticized you or anyone else for forgetting a lyric because, as my post in this thread indicated, I see that kind of thing as trivial. So that's pretty consistent too.

I also think you've mischaracterized my earlier post and given it a much more negative slant from the one it had or was intended.

For example, my post didn't include the words "turkey" or "slouch," and, since you brought it up, didn't say you couldn't be whipped into shape by trainers. What I was suggesting, but trying to avoid saying so crudely (but since you brought it back up) is that you'd likely be pressured to get plastic surgery -- a very bad idea, in my view -- to fix the definition of your jawline against your neck. Not nice to have that pressure applied to you and something I think is abhorrent, but something that happens in the industry and frankly wouldn't have surprised me if it had been applied to you.

You also omitted that my post had complimented your vocal ability, your phrasing, and your songwriting. When you PM-ed me privately about the post, I mentioned you should be prepared for the brutality of the image side of the business, and with much piss-and-vinegar you reassured me that you were ready for it. So here we are. Was it worth it?

Maybe all that's beside the point anyway. It sounds like the more important thing is that you seem to think I was insensitive with that earlier post, and I think that's a valid criticism too. So for that, I'm sorry for my insensitivity, I'll work on that, and I hope you accept my apology.

I remember the post as well, Jeremey also omitted the fact that you were being a huge prick. I believe you were on the Hugo bandwagon at that time. Your posts are sometimes inconsistent, yes, but mostly it's the arrogance and condescension that they drip with that make them abrasive. It's alright, I'm inconsistent as well. Good of you to apologize.

[StringsOfJoy]

I remember the post as well, Jeremey also omitted the fact that you were being a huge prick. I believe you were on the Hugo bandwagon at that time. Your posts are sometimes inconsistent, yes, but mostly it's the arrogance and condescension that they drip with that make them abrasive. It's alright, I'm inconsistent as well. Good of you to apologize.

Well, you clearly don't remember the post that well, because I've never promoted Hugo. So maybe you're thinking of some different pRICK...LOL.

[Jeremey]

I also think you've mischaracterized my earlier post and given it a much more negative slant from the one it had or was intended.

For example, my post didn't include the words "turkey" or "slouch," and, since you brought it up, didn't say you couldn't be whipped into shape by trainers. What I was suggesting, but trying to avoid saying so crudely (but since you brought it back up) is that you'd likely be pressured to get plastic surgery -- a very bad idea, in my view -- to fix the definition of your jawline against your neck. Not nice to have that pressure applied to you and something I think is abhorrent, but something that happens in the industry and frankly wouldn't have surprised me if it had been applied to you.

Here was your original post criticizing me:

Given that the Powers That Know on this board are convinced Jeremey is going to get the gig:

- he does have the vocal range and the proper phrasing for the job

- he could be a better songwriter for Journey from the demos I've heard, but I'd point out that even what I've heard him put out lacks the efficiency necessary to create a "Journey song," as I imagine Jon and Neal envision it,

- he lacks the proper "look" for promotion of the band: wattles, double chins, and beer guts aren't going to work for the lead singer of this band...some of the issue is fitness related, but I suspect not all and that he'd require "work" to get there even if the guys who trained the cast of "300" got a hold of him,

- as Brian May intimated, he lacks his own musical "world," which is simply a way of saying that his contribution would be to perpetuate what has come in the past and won't be able to INFLUENCE this band to move forward, which is clearly what everyone on this forum seems to want.

I guess maybe your post about wattles, double chins, and beer guts is what I meant when I misquoted you above. My point was this...I don't give a fuck about someone's ethnicity, and I didn't even get that that's what you were talking about from your post above mentioning Clapton and Hendrix. Yeah, you hurt my feelings, and I PMd you about it, and your response was basically, "hey, it's the music industry, if you're not above criticism than you better toughen up," or something to that effect...The point of MY post had nothing to do with black or white or asian....It was trying to point out a consistency that if you DISH OUT unsolicited bullshit about someone's personal appearance (which, by the way, I have a 34 inch waist, so I guess it was my big head and Captain Tripps neck that freaked you out), then when others have criticisms about someone - appearance or otherwise - if you're going to tell me "hey it's the music business, you'd better toughen up," then at least be consistent about it when it comes to someone else. That's all.

[Rick]

I remember the post as well, Jeremey also omitted the fact that you were being a huge prick. I believe you were on the Hugo bandwagon at that time. Your posts are sometimes inconsistent, yes, but mostly it's the arrogance and condescension that they drip with that make them abrasive. It's alright, I'm inconsistent as well. Good of you to apologize.

Well, you clearly don't remember the post that well, because I've never promoted Hugo. So maybe you're thinking of some different pRICK...LOL.

You're right, I went and reread the post. It was Chris Cornell, a much better choice than Hugo. I hope you can accept my apology.

[StringsOfJoy]

I remember the post as well, Jeremey also omitted the fact that you were being a huge prick. I believe you were on the Hugo bandwagon at that time. Your posts are sometimes inconsistent, yes, but mostly it's the arrogance and condescension that they drip with that make them abrasive. It's alright, I'm inconsistent as well. Good of you to apologize.

Well, you clearly don't remember the post that well, because I've never promoted Hugo. So maybe you're thinking of some different pRICK...LOL.

You're right, I went and reread the post. It was Chris Cornell, a much better choice than Hugo. I hope you can accept my apology.

No worries...it was a long time ago.

[Jeremey]

PS, StringsofJoy, apologies accepted, and for the record, Chris Cornell would have been my number one choice to front Journey had they decided to go the Paul Rogers/Queen route, though Journey and Cornell would tear each other to bits.

[StringsOfJoy]

I guess maybe your post about wattles, double chins, and beer guts is what I meant when I misquoted you above. My point was this...I don't give a fuck about someone's ethnicity, and I didn't even get that that's what you were talking about from your post above mentioning Clapton and Hendrix. Yeah, you hurt my feelings, and I PMd you about it, and your response was basically, "hey, it's the music industry, if you're not above criticism than you better toughen up," or something to that effect...The point of MY post had nothing to do with black or white or asian....It was trying to point out a consistency that if you DISH OUT unsolicited bullshit about someone's personal appearance (which, by the way, I have a 34 inch waist, so I guess it was my big head and Captain Tripps neck that freaked you out), then when others have criticisms about someone - appearance or otherwise - if you're going to tell me "hey it's the music business, you'd better toughen up," then at least be consistent about it when it comes to someone else. That's all.

Okay, I think I get it...I understand your point and I think you understand mine. Whether we disagree about the consistency thing, my apology for hurting your feelings stands.

[StringsOfJoy]

PS, StringsofJoy, apologies accepted, and for the record, Chris Cornell would have been my number one choice to front Journey had they decided to go the Paul Rogers/Queen route, though Journey and Cornell would tear each other to bits.

LOL..I think you're right.