OT: Man-made global warming revisited...

[RedWingFan]

Wheels Of Fyre

No. You BELIEVE he did.

You're an enigma. You want to argue that glogal warming is junk science and that if you research it there's no evidence to support it.

Well, where's this line of reasoning regarding Jesus? You can research Jesus and the "evidence" of his resurrection isn't even close to the amount of global warming evidence!

It all boils down to belief. People believe global warming because of the "evidence". You believe Jesus had risen from the dead because of the "evidence".

You want to tell people to not believe certain evidence about global warming BUT that they should believe the evidence of Jesus' resurrection...?

What a looney tunes line of logic!

Wow. I find myself in total agreement, Fyre....

So if Church leaders demanded everyone including non-believers including you pay billion into church coffers to spread the Word of Jesus then you are totally okay with that? If you say no then you are a hypocrite!!! Dave and I are consistent on this.

[Indyjoe]

Jesus did it.

No. You BELIEVE he did.

You're an enigma. You want to argue that glogal warming is junk science and that if you research it there's no evidence to support it.

Well, where's this line of reasoning regarding Jesus? You can research Jesus and the "evidence" of his resurrection isn't even close to the amount of global warming evidence!

It all boils down to belief. People believe global warming because of the "evidence". You believe Jesus had risen from the dead because of the "evidence".

You want to tell people to not believe certain evidence about global warming BUT that they should believe the evidence of Jesus' resurrection...?

What a looney tunes line of logic!

Raider Fan, Dave?!

Fyre...

Before you go after me, remember I was totally on your side on the work issue and am not in a battle gainst Fyre!!

Just a recommendation here... There is a great little book that talks a bit about the evidence for the resurrection of Jesus. It is called More Than A Carpenter by Josh McDowell. He didn't buy the evidence either and while setting out to find the evidence went from an atheist to a believer. Anyway, just to put that out there.

Carry on...

~Wendy

[conversationpc]

I think Dave would agree that they are BOTH matters of faith. We can only tell people of Jesus and the difference he's made in our lives. Whether one chooses to accept him or not is completely up to them. If Christians were out demanding billions of dollars to be given to churches from non-believers THEN it would be pretty comparable. Environmentalists are encroaching on our money and our way of life with their nonsense.

That's kinda what I'm trying to say. The so-called science of global warming is nowhere near as settled as the man-maders would have you believe. They want to try to tell you that you're a "flat-earther" if you don't worship the global warming gods and that you must support the pollution of the environment.

As I've stated several times, I don't entirely discount that man can have an impact on the environment but I don't believe that any recent global warming has been mostly caused by man. Can we have had SOME impact? Sure, but I don't believe it's anywhere near the degree that alarmists like Al Gore or Robert Kennedy Jr. would have you believe.

[Indyjoe]

Oh there you are!!

~Wendy

[conversationpc]

Oh there you are!!

~Wendy

I'm going to respond to you in another thread...I really hate these things getting off-topic.

[Indyjoe]

Oh there you are!!

~Wendy

I'm going to respond to you in another thread...I really hate these things getting off-topic.

Sorry Dave!

[AR]

What warmed the earth out of the ice age? It certainly had nothing to do with automobiles.

Climate change is a natural cyclical occurrence. Man probably has some effect. How much? I'm not sure anyone really knows. It's the arrogance of man to think that we are the sole or major cause though.

My advice - stop farting.

[conversationpc]

What warmed the earth out of the ice age? It certainly had nothing to do with automobiles.

Climate change is a natural cyclical occurrence. Man probably has some effect. How much? I'm not sure anyone really knows. It's the arrogance of man to think that we are the sole or major cause though.

My advice - stop farting.

I have a sneaking suspicion that the area you live in is shrouded in a beer-induced green fog.

Seriously, even Mars is undergoing global warming. Those damn aliens driving those SUVs on Mars are really screwing it up for the other Martians.

[AR]

I have a sneaking suspicion that the area you live in is shrouded in a beer-induced green fog.

Actually in that realm, I have taken steps to prevent any part I have had in global warming. I used to drink Miller Lite, but it gave me horrible gas. Eventually I found that Coors did not have that effect on me so it's now my beer of choice. So I switched in the name of the environment.

[conversationpc]

I have a sneaking suspicion that the area you live in is shrouded in a beer-induced green fog.

Actually in that realm, I have taken steps to prevent any part I have had in global warming. I used to drink Miller Lite, but it gave me horrible gas. Eventually I found that Coors did not have that effect on me so it's now my beer of choice. So I switched in the name of the environment.

[Marc S]

RaiderFan

So if Church leaders demanded everyone including non-believers including you pay billion into church coffers to spread the Word of Jesus then you are totally okay with that? If you say no then you are a hypocrite!!! Dave and I are consistent on this.

Hypocrite! Burn him! Yeah right.

Its taken hundreds of years to get out of doing exactly that. The Catholic church (particularly) terrorised the whole world in the name of christianity, killed millions of innocents and stole their money. All based on hearsay and with no solid evidence. Amazing dupe job really.

The difference with global warming is that TO SOME DEGREE we are responsible for what is occuring and facts are there, physical facts to back it up. We can argue the toss how much effect its having, but to 'deny' based on decent evidence is foolish.

I could never sanction paying the church to spread its brainwashing because its about scare-mongering and population control going back generations and all based on a fairy story about a carpenter who allegedly rose from the dead? How could I possibly pay into that?

[RedWingFan]

I could never sanction paying the church to spread its brainwashing because its about scare-mongering and population control going back generations and all based on a fairy story about a carpenter who allegedly rose from the dead? How could I possibly pay into that?

I could never sanction paying the environmentalist church to spread its brainwashing because its about scare-mongering and all based on a fairy story. How could I possibly pay into that?
Why do you demand that I pay into your religion?
Here in Michigan we have bones of wooly mammoths all over. They roamed the state in the ice age snow and ice 24/7. How did we cause it to warm and kill them off? Nonsense.

[conversationpc]

Its taken hundreds of years to get out of doing exactly that. The Catholic church (particularly) terrorised the whole world in the name of christianity, killed millions of innocents and stole their money. All based on hearsay and with no solid evidence. Amazing dupe job really.

The words in bold are operative here.

[Marc S]

With respect, those words in bold ARE NOT operative here.

[conversationpc]

With respect, those words in bold ARE NOT operative here.

Sure they are. Do you think that the relative few terrorists who murder innocent people in the name of Islam are representative of the whole of Islam?

[Marc S]

RaiderFan

I could never sanction paying the environmentalist church to spread its brainwashing because its about scare-mongering and all based on a fairy story. How could I possibly pay into that?
Why do you demand that I pay into your religion?
Here in Michigan we have bones of wooly mammoths all over. They roamed the state in the ice age snow and ice 24/7. How did we cause it to warm and kill them off? Nonsense.

Because I don't blindly follow a story that never really happened.

Are you, RaiderFan, using the analogy that man-made contribution to global warming is a fairy story? Don't tar me or 'environmentalism' with the brush of religion. They didn't kill anybody. They didn't scare a whole continent into giving up everything they own. They didn't follow some blind hand-me-down control freakery. And above all, they didn't start just about every war that has ever occurred - in the name of christianity.

George Bush, your dubiously elected moron president did that, my friend. Do not lecture me from your fact-free pious self-elevated position.

[Marc S]

conversationpc

Sure they are. Do you think that the relative few terrorists who murder innocent people in the name of Islam are representative of the whole of Islam

They will still follow it blindly

[Rhiannon]

What warmed the earth out of the ice age? It certainly had nothing to do with automobiles.

Climate change is a natural cyclical occurrence. Man probably has some effect. How much? I'm not sure anyone really knows. It's the arrogance of man to think that we are the sole or major cause though.

My advice - stop farting.

THANK YOU ED. Just as years have seasonal cycles, it is not so far fetched to believe that the earth over time does as well.

[RedWingFan]

Are you, RaiderFan, using the analogy that man-made contribution to global warming is a fairy story?

When I hear PROPONENTS of the Kyoto treaty state that compliance would result in MAYBE 7/10ths of 1 degree. Yes, I call it a fairy story!!!!

Don't tar me or 'environmentalism' with the brush of religion. They didn't kill anybody.

Uh, you are very wrong there Marc. CAFE standards lead to thousands of deaths a year. All for your fairy religion.

As part of its debate over the Energy Bill (S.1419), the U.S. Senate is now considering raising CAFE standards to require all passenger cars and light trucks to average 52 mpg. Senators Carl Levin (D-MI), Christopher Bond (R-MO) and Mark Pryor (D-AR) have proposed an alternative increase, which would require a 36 mpg standard for cars by 2022 and 30 mpg for light trucks by 2025.

CAFE standards are dangerous. In 2002, the National Academy of Sciences released a report, “Effectiveness and Impact of CAFE Standards 2002,” concluding that since CAFE standards were imposed in the U.S. in 1975, an additional 2,000 deaths per year can be attributed to the downsizing of cars required to meet CAFE standards

They didn't scare a whole continent into giving up everything they own.

They/You are trying!!!

[RedWingFan]

What warmed the earth out of the ice age? It certainly had nothing to do with automobiles.

Climate change is a natural cyclical occurrence. Man probably has some effect. How much? I'm not sure anyone really knows. It's the arrogance of man to think that we are the sole or major cause though.

My advice - stop farting.

THANK YOU ED. Just as years have seasonal cycles, it is not so far fetched to believe that the earth over time does as well.

Far fetched? No, it's a matter of FACT!!!!!
http://www.businessandmedia.org/special ... andice.asp

[Marc S]

RaiderFan, for fucks sake just embrace change. Break out of your bubble. Realise that there is a world beyond US borders.

[Calbear94]

What warmed the earth out of the ice age? It certainly had nothing to do with automobiles.

Climate change is a natural cyclical occurrence. Man probably has some effect. How much? I'm not sure anyone really knows. It's the arrogance of man to think that we are the sole or major cause though.

My advice - stop farting.

How long did the thawing process take? Did the temperature of the Earth at any time during that period rise 3-5 degrees in just 100 years? Has there been any such rapid rise in temperatures that wasn't the result of some cataclysmic event such as the large asteroid that likely hit the Yucatan Peninsula, darkening the skies and leading to the distinction of the Dinosaurs. Wait the Dinosaurs aren't really dead, it's just some made up theory to make humans feel bad about their subsequent domination of the Earth!

[RedWingFan]

RaiderFan, for fucks sake just embrace change.

Why? In 230 years, the U.S. has grown into the greatest nation on the planet. I'd like to keep it that way rather than trying to bankrupt ourselves on 7/10th's of a degree. But by all means knock yourself out if it makes you feel better. After all that's the only thing you'll change.

Realise that there is a world beyond US borders.

Unsecured borders people are unlawfully crossing. I know, this is something I AM angry at Bush at.

[Rhiannon]

How long did the thawing process take? Did the temperature of the Earth at any time during that period rise 3-5 degrees in just 100 years? Has there been any such rapid rise in temperatures that wasn't the result of some cataclysmic event such as the large asteroid that likely hit the Yucatan Peninsula, darkening the skies and leading to the distinction of the Dinosaurs.

No one can be for sure because we weren't there. How do you know it didn't? How do we know it did? No, can't be for certain. Theories are not facts. Theories are educated opinions, and opinions, even educated ones, are still like assholes.

[Rick]

It's ridiculous and naive to think humans aren't causing the warming. I've said something similar in this thread, but again.... Think of all of the man made surfaces we've built that absorb and hold heat longer than natural surfaces. Roads, parking lots, brick and concrete buildings, shingled roofs by the millions. Think of the millions of a/c units that belch heat. Think of the factories that burn fossil fuels that belch heat. Think of the power plants that belch heat and ingest cold water then expel hot water back into the reservoir. How could we not be the cause? Tell me what is happening to all of this heat WE alone are generating, if it isn't dissipating into the atmosphere and warming the planet.

Some say humans are arrogant to think we could have such an effect on the planet. I say it's irresponsible not to embrace that possibility. It's us.

[RedWingFan]

It's ridiculous and naive to think humans aren't causing the warming. I've said something similar in this thread, but again.... Think of all of the man made surfaces we've built that absorb and hold heat longer than natural surfaces. Roads, parking lots, brick and concrete buildings, shingled roofs by the millions. Think of the millions of a/c units that belch heat. Think of the factories that burn fossil fuels that belch heat. Think of the power plants that belch heat and ingest cold water then expel hot water back into the reservoir. How could we not be the cause? Tell me what is happening to all of this heat WE alone are generating, if it isn't dissipating into the atmosphere and warming the planet.

All those things you list are dwarfed by one volcanic eruption.

Some say humans are arrogant to think we could have such an effect on the planet. I say it's irresponsible not to embrace that possibility. It's us.

No. It's not!

[Rick]

It's ridiculous and naive to think humans aren't causing the warming. I've said something similar in this thread, but again.... Think of all of the man made surfaces we've built that absorb and hold heat longer than natural surfaces. Roads, parking lots, brick and concrete buildings, shingled roofs by the millions. Think of the millions of a/c units that belch heat. Think of the factories that burn fossil fuels that belch heat. Think of the power plants that belch heat and ingest cold water then expel hot water back into the reservoir. How could we not be the cause? Tell me what is happening to all of this heat WE alone are generating, if it isn't dissipating into the atmosphere and warming the planet.

All those things you list are dwarfed by one volcanic eruption.

Some say humans are arrogant to think we could have such an effect on the planet. I say it's irresponsible not to embrace that possibility. It's us.

No. It's not!

Are you sure?

[RedWingFan]

It's ridiculous and naive to think humans aren't causing the warming. I've said something similar in this thread, but again.... Think of all of the man made surfaces we've built that absorb and hold heat longer than natural surfaces. Roads, parking lots, brick and concrete buildings, shingled roofs by the millions. Think of the millions of a/c units that belch heat. Think of the factories that burn fossil fuels that belch heat. Think of the power plants that belch heat and ingest cold water then expel hot water back into the reservoir. How could we not be the cause? Tell me what is happening to all of this heat WE alone are generating, if it isn't dissipating into the atmosphere and warming the planet.

All those things you list are dwarfed by one volcanic eruption.

Some say humans are arrogant to think we could have such an effect on the planet. I say it's irresponsible not to embrace that possibility. It's us.

No. It's not!

Are you sure?

I could do this all day. What caused the Earth to warm so significantly out of the ice age? Could we have stopped it if we wanted to? No!

http://www.imcool.com/articles/Enviro/P ... cantly.php

From 1940 to 1970, CO2 concentrations increased significantly due to industrialization, but the earth cooled about 1°F, and some even feared that a new ice age was coming. But when the 1980’s brought six of the century’s highest world temperatures, the “Ice Agers” soon became “Global Warmists.” Today the CO2concentration is 370 ppm and has been increasing annually at 1.8 ppm (0.48%) over the last 10 years.

Climatologists have published earth temperatures of periods such as 100,000 years ago based on CO2 readings derived from ice cores. They appear to relate CO2to earth surface temperature. Using their reasoning, what would they conclude about 1940 versus 1970?

[Rick]

It's ridiculous and naive to think humans aren't causing the warming. I've said something similar in this thread, but again.... Think of all of the man made surfaces we've built that absorb and hold heat longer than natural surfaces. Roads, parking lots, brick and concrete buildings, shingled roofs by the millions. Think of the millions of a/c units that belch heat. Think of the factories that burn fossil fuels that belch heat. Think of the power plants that belch heat and ingest cold water then expel hot water back into the reservoir. How could we not be the cause? Tell me what is happening to all of this heat WE alone are generating, if it isn't dissipating into the atmosphere and warming the planet.

All those things you list are dwarfed by one volcanic eruption.

Some say humans are arrogant to think we could have such an effect on the planet. I say it's irresponsible not to embrace that possibility. It's us.

No. It's not!

Are you sure?

I could do this all day. What caused the Earth to warm so significantly out of the ice age? Could we have stopped it if we wanted to? No!

http://www.imcool.com/articles/Enviro/P ... cantly.php

From 1940 to 1970, CO2 concentrations increased significantly due to industrialization, but the earth cooled about 1°F, and some even feared that a new ice age was coming. But when the 1980’s brought six of the century’s highest world temperatures, the “Ice Agers” soon became “Global Warmists.” Today the CO2concentration is 370 ppm and has been increasing annually at 1.8 ppm (0.48%) over the last 10 years.

Climatologists have published earth temperatures of periods such as 100,000 years ago based on CO2 readings derived from ice cores. They appear to relate CO2to earth surface temperature. Using their reasoning, what would they conclude about 1940 versus 1970?

This dude is a heat and air guy, he should know.

[RedWingFan]

It's ridiculous and naive to think humans aren't causing the warming. I've said something similar in this thread, but again.... Think of all of the man made surfaces we've built that absorb and hold heat longer than natural surfaces. Roads, parking lots, brick and concrete buildings, shingled roofs by the millions. Think of the millions of a/c units that belch heat. Think of the factories that burn fossil fuels that belch heat. Think of the power plants that belch heat and ingest cold water then expel hot water back into the reservoir. How could we not be the cause? Tell me what is happening to all of this heat WE alone are generating, if it isn't dissipating into the atmosphere and warming the planet.

All those things you list are dwarfed by one volcanic eruption.

Some say humans are arrogant to think we could have such an effect on the planet. I say it's irresponsible not to embrace that possibility. It's us.

No. It's not!

Are you sure?

I could do this all day. What caused the Earth to warm so significantly out of the ice age? Could we have stopped it if we wanted to? No!

http://www.imcool.com/articles/Enviro/P ... cantly.php

From 1940 to 1970, CO2 concentrations increased significantly due to industrialization, but the earth cooled about 1°F, and some even feared that a new ice age was coming. But when the 1980’s brought six of the century’s highest world temperatures, the “Ice Agers” soon became “Global Warmists.” Today the CO2concentration is 370 ppm and has been increasing annually at 1.8 ppm (0.48%) over the last 10 years.

Climatologists have published earth temperatures of periods such as 100,000 years ago based on CO2 readings derived from ice cores. They appear to relate CO2to earth surface temperature. Using their reasoning, what would they conclude about 1940 versus 1970?

This dude is a heat and air guy, he should know.

I know he's wishing it would warm up here in Michigan. He wants to cash in! It ain't happening. The only ones who are cashing in are the scaremonger enviromentalists and politicians. This guy's still waiting