Journey re-recording the classics?

[journeyrock]

to make money on that idea , they would have had to redistribute that NEW cd to all the radio stations ect... to play the NEW versions.... so complicated,, .. am i completley ..way off base?

I don't think they're aiming for radio airplay with this project. Think of it as a very, very rich person saying that they wanted to own their very own copy of Journey songs, and paying the band a large sum of money to do just that. That's about as basic as you can get, I guess?

Yep, Jeremey, that's pretty basic alright. It is all beginning to come into perspective. This ugly world of greed and corruption is worse off than I ever imagined.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Doesn't the band have to hit the studio to re-record the GH, or at least portions of them, for promotional purposes?
Radio ads touting Augeri-fronted concerts, for example, featured clips of Augeri on lead.
I recall very early on in the Jeff-fronted tour, a promotional clip was released using footage of Jeff, but he was dubbed using Augeri's voice (singing 'Separate Ways').
I hate to reference the troubled period of 2005, but as the 'Generations' tour went on, especially in the UK, it became apparent that the band had pre-recorded SA lead vocals on hand not only of the the dirty dozen, but even on more obscure cuts such as "Dead or Alive" and "Keep on Running".

As much as I wish it weren't the case, re-recording the back catalog may be standard operating procedure for this band before it embarks on an inaugural tour.

[stevew2]

Record the classics? bull shit. They could have done it with Steve A,who sang for them the last 8 years,there was enough live footage to put a cd together, the 2001 dvd was pretty good.They had to let Perry put out the greatest hits live just to be able to do that.Perry will never let Journey re rechord the GH. Who would sing it, Steve A or JSS? It will never happen. Perry will get the 6 th cut, while Journey is out touring and making there $$. Perry is a smart fucker. and I still respect him.He gets to sit back and watch Neal fuck the stone

[Carlitto H@kk]

It will never happen. Perry will get the 6 th cut, while Journey is out touring and making there $$. Perry is a smart fucker. and I still respect him.He gets to sit back and watch Neal fuck the stone

Maybe there was a time-limit on the original agreement/contract Perry signed
with the band when they moved on w/o him; he may not have as much control
as he once did. Who knows...

Or, Schon and company found a "loophole" to Perry's restrictions, i.e. the Perry-Era
tracks can be re-recorded and released as long as they are not exact
reproductions/interpretations of the originals...

Anything is possible when you have the Army of Lawyers these guys probably
have; you would have to when you've had to wiggle your way out of situations
w/ Perry, Augeri, Soto and 4-5 wives in the past 10 years

[tj]

Doesn't the band have to hit the studio to re-record the GH, or at least portions of them, for promotional purposes?
Radio ads touting Augeri-fronted concerts, for example, featured clips of Augeri on lead.
I recall very early on in the Jeff-fronted tour, a promotional clip was released using footage of Jeff, but he was dubbed using Augeri's voice (singing 'Separate Ways').
I hate to reference the troubled period of 2005, but as the 'Generations' tour went on, especially in the UK, it became apparent that the band had pre-recorded SA lead vocals on hand not only of the the dirty dozen, but even on more obscure cuts such as "Dead or Alive" and "Keep on Running".

As much as I wish it weren't the case, re-recording the back catalog may be standard operating procedure for this band before it embarks on an inaugural tour.

So did they record the SA vocals on these tracks before his voice started giving out just in case? If not, did they just go back and get the best recordings from previous shows? Either way, without bringing back the whole debate, it seems a little Britney Spears/Ashley Simpson-like.

[stevew2]

---------------------[quote="Carlitto H@kk"][quote="stevew2"]It will never happen. Perry will get the 6 th cut, while Journey is out touring and making there $$. Perry is a smart fucker. and I still respect him.He gets to sit back and watch Neal fuck the stone[/quote]

Maybe there was a time-limit on the original agreement/contract Perry signed
with the band when they moved on w/o him; he [i]may not [/i]have as much control
as he once did. Who knows...

Or, Schon and company found a "[i]loophole[/i]" to Perry's restrictions, i.e. the Perry-Era
tracks can be re-recorded and released as long as they are not [i]exact[/i]
reproductions/interpretations of the originals...

Anything is possible when you have the Army of Lawyers these guys probably
have; you would have to when you've had to wiggle your way out of situations
w/ Perry, Augeri, Soto and 4-5 wives in the past 10 years :lol:[/quote]-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------You are right ,who Knows, How are you,are you still in Iraq??

[stevew2]

[quote="Carlitto H@kk"][quote="stevew2"]It will never happen. Perry will get the 6 th cut, while Journey is out touring and making there $$. Perry is a smart fucker. and I still respect him.He gets to sit back and watch Neal fuck the stone[/quote]

Maybe there was a time-limit on the original agreement/contract Perry signed
with the band when they moved on w/o him; he [i]may not [/i]have as much control
as he once did. Who knows...

Or, Schon and company found a "[i]loophole[/i]" to Perry's restrictions, i.e. the Perry-Era
tracks can be re-recorded and released as long as they are not [i]exact[/i]
reproductions/interpretations of the originals...

Anything is possible when you have the Army of Lawyers these guys probably
have; you would have to when you've had to wiggle your way out of situations
w/ Perry, Augeri, Soto and 4-5 wives in the past 10 years :lol:[/quote]------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I did check back,and I see you are still in Iraq,I may not agree with everything thats going on. but i do know the killings have gone down 70 %, and you have made a difference.Thanks for serving your{our] country. God Bless you,and Journey should have been over there on a USO tour if they could have stopped fucking lead singers.Be safe,my freind,Stevew2

[Carlitto H@kk]

I did check back,and I see you are still in Iraq,I may not agree with everything thats going on. but i do know the killings have gone down 70 %, and you have made a difference.Thanks for serving your{our] country. God Bless you,and Journey should have been over there on a USO tour if they could have stopped fucking lead singers.

Thanks for the sentiment!

There is NO WAY Journey would EVER do a USO tour over here...

1. Too much work involved to make it happen. You have to be motivated.

2. Acts that do USO tours here are pretty much stuck using "rented" equipment that the USO supplies.
(Schon and Cain would never lower to such standards)

3. Acts are NOT ALLOWED to sell merchandise while here, i.e. T-Shirts, CDs...

4. The Band makes absolutely ZERO $$$ on a USO tour.
(Again, Schon and Cain would never lower to such standards)

5. Like many other ideas I am sure the band has heard to help get them "noticed" or "back into the public eye",
Schon and Cain would quickly discount this idea as "not a good move." They'd probably be affraid of
alienating fans that are anti-war

Wanna know the rub in all this? After mentioning it to him several times,
I have it on good faith that attempts were made by Jeff to do a tour during
my deployment but the person trying to set something up never got any
cooperation from the USO. Fuckin' Soto... Classiest Fucker in Rock

[texafana]

I don't think they're aiming for radio airplay with this project. Think of it as a very, very rich person saying that they wanted to own their very own copy of Journey songs, and paying the band a large sum of money to do just that. That's about as basic as you can get, I guess?

Ahh... so that person can then market said versions in various methods. Online distribution, cd's, etc, etc. Ahhh..ok.

[Calbear94]

That scenario would suggest someone like Steve Jobs.

[Voyager]

I'm nauseated just thinking about the idea of Journey re-recording the Perry era hits. Picture the Rolling Stones re-recording Sympathy For The Devil without Mick Jagger, or Led Zepellin re-recording Stairway To Heaven with a new singer. Someone should be shot for even thinking aboout it!

Would the new releases sell without Perry on them? Doubtful. They would only serve to be a hard slap in Perry's face.

[StoneCold]

That's it. They want to cut out the middleman; Sony.

All sales of "Re-recorded Hits" will bring them more money than the old stuff, Perry included since he helped write them.

It's not based on a tribute to the originals or any of that crap that's been bandied about since JSS was there. Jband just wants a bigger piece of the pie.

Oddly, I'm not as against the concept now that the pieces fit. I won't be buying the re-recordings but who cares about Sony.

Whatever. If don't put out some original stuff along with it, I'll be bored

[bluejeangirl76]

I'm nauseated just thinking about the idea of Journey re-recording the Perry era hits.

Would the new releases sell without Perry on them? Doubtful. They would only serve to be a hard slap in Perry's face.

I'm completely nauseated. If we were talking new music with a new singer, I admit I would listen (not necessarily buy) out of curiousity. But not this. I don't want to hear one note of that.

Will they sell? Probably, but not well. Neal and Jon and going to look like douchebags. (Not that it's going to be all that hard to do...) When DJs and record reviewers get hold of this, everyone is goign to be saying "What the hell are these guys doing?"

Slap in the face to Perry? Yeah, I'd say so. And I am really wondering where Neal and Jon's pride in their work is. They can't recognize how much people love(d) that music? They can't be proud of what they did and let it stand for what it was? Those songs in their original forms are what people loved so much. And CLEARLY people still do!! How many bands have a hit song that has big success TWICE (after it's original run), and not only twice, but twice after 20+ years? CHRIST! Leave it ALONE!

[The Fly]

Why would they record the "Classics"!! Give it a rest......

[Rockindeano]

Record the classics? bull shit. They could have done it with Steve A,who sang for them the last 8 years,there was enough live footage to put a cd together, the 2001 dvd was pretty good.

It better be. It wasn't live. Those vocals were redone in the studio. That was an imposter of a "live" CD/DVD as one can get.

[Rip Rokken]

It better be. It wasn't live. Those vocals were redone in the studio. That was an imposter of a "live" CD/DVD as one can get.

I was really surprised when you told me that. I was watching it again last night, and it's surprisingly good quality. Seems like it would take a ton of time to re-record and have it be on track so it didn't look like lipsynching. Heck, for that matter, they could have cut away from Steve on the part where he flubbed the lyrics to a few songs and fixed those as well, but maybe keeping those added to the "Live" illusion.

Did they only re-record certain parts, or the entire thing? Wonder what the actual show was like...

[Rockindeano]

I was at the show. I thought they sounded pretty good to be honest. There were clearly flubbs in the show, and I knew right away when I saw the DVD,. they manipulated it quite extensively.

[journeyrock]

Would the new releases sell without Perry on them? Doubtful. They would only serve to be a hard slap in Perry's face.

I don't think they would even accomplish that! The lack of respect for Journey these days along with the finished product would only reinforce Perry's legacy.

[conversationpc]

I was really surprised when you told me that. I was watching it again last night, and it's surprisingly good quality. Seems like it would take a ton of time to re-record and have it be on track so it didn't look like lipsynching. Heck, for that matter, they could have cut away from Steve on the part where he flubbed the lyrics to a few songs and fixed those as well, but maybe keeping those added to the "Live" illusion.

Did they only re-record certain parts, or the entire thing? Wonder what the actual show was like...

Even the supposed soundboard boots I have of that show have the pro-tooled vocals.

[STORY_TELLER]

Here's my guess-

If they are re-recording the dirty dozen, I think they're doing it to promote the new singer (online) the same way Foreigner is promoting their new front man here: http://www.foreigneronline.com/

Touring is Journey's bread and butter now. They want any potential concert goers to believe that even without Perry a Journey show is still worth seeing. I'm sure they'll couple that with some new songs as well and maybe offer the new songs as a website or concert only purchase CD (like Red13).

Like I said, it's a guess, but to me that's the only reasonable reason to re-record Perry era songs.

[StoneCold]

Here's my guess-

If they are re-recording the dirty dozen, I think they're doing it to promote the new singer (online) the same way Foreigner is promoting their new front man here: http://www.foreigneronline.com/

Touring is Journey's bread and butter now. They want any potential concert goers to believe that even without Perry a Journey show is still worth seeing. I'm sure they'll couple that with some new songs as well and maybe offer the new songs as a website or concert only purchase CD (like Red13).

Like I said, it's a guess, but to me that's the only reasonable reason to re-record Perry era songs.

Yeah, that's more apt to be the case. If you check the Caveman thread, Shirley's very impressed with whatever's happening in the studio.

There's no way in hell he'd be happy about retooling the old stuff. There's more than "covers" goin on.

[Saint John]

Here's my guess-

If they are re-recording the dirty dozen, I think they're doing it to promote the new singer (online) the same way Foreigner is promoting their new front man here: http://www.foreigneronline.com/

Touring is Journey's bread and butter now. They want any potential concert goers to believe that even without Perry a Journey show is still worth seeing. I'm sure they'll couple that with some new songs as well and maybe offer the new songs as a website or concert only purchase CD (like Red13).

Like I said, it's a guess, but to me that's the only reasonable reason to re-record Perry era songs.

Yeah, that's more apt to be the case. If you check the Caveman thread, Shirley's very impressed with whatever's happening in the studio.

There's no way in hell he'd be happy about retooling the old stuff. There's more than "covers" goin on.

100% correct.

[fightingilliniJRNY]

Here's my guess-

If they are re-recording the dirty dozen, I think they're doing it to promote the new singer (online) the same way Foreigner is promoting their new front man here: http://www.foreigneronline.com/

Touring is Journey's bread and butter now. They want any potential concert goers to believe that even without Perry a Journey show is still worth seeing. I'm sure they'll couple that with some new songs as well and maybe offer the new songs as a website or concert only purchase CD (like Red13).

Like I said, it's a guess, but to me that's the only reasonable reason to re-record Perry era songs.

Yeah, that's more apt to be the case. If you check the Caveman thread, Shirley's very impressed with whatever's happening in the studio.

There's no way in hell he'd be happy about retooling the old stuff. There's more than "covers" goin on.

100% correct.

Exactly what I was saying. I'm very curious to see what's going to come of this...

[Lora]

This is probably the scenario as it is going on with other artists. It has little to do with artistic creativity and everything to do with money:

Mr. Giant Retailer to Mr. Artist Manager. "I will give your Artist <insert a fat amount here> dollars to re-record 5-6 of their GH. I will cover all their recording expenses. I will pay your Artist this money regardless of whether or not I sell one single CD."

Mr. Giant Retailer is fairly confident that he is going to make money as he can set the price point low and present it as a point-of-purchase item in his Giant Retail Store. It is a new recording but it is promoting nostalgia and old memories, which sells. The Artist can probably also include a new track or two if they wish.

[Saint John]

This is probably the scenario as it is going on with other artists. It has little to do with artistic creativity and everything to do with money:

Mr. Giant Retailer to Mr. Artist Manager. "I will give your Artist <insert a fat amount here> dollars to re-record 5-6 of their GH. I will cover all their recording expenses. I will pay your Artist this money regardless of whether or not I sell one single CD."

Mr. Giant Retailer is fairly confident that he is going to make money as he can set the price point low and present it as a point-of-purchase item in his Giant Retail Store. It is a new recording but it is promoting nostalgia and old memories, which sells. The Artist can probably also include a new track or two if they wish.

Boy, somebody sure is "in the loop." Thanks for the information, Lora. Now give us Perry information damn it!!!

[Deb]

This is probably the scenario as it is going on with other artists. It has little to do with artistic creativity and everything to do with money:

Mr. Giant Retailer to Mr. Artist Manager. "I will give your Artist <insert a fat amount here> dollars to re-record 5-6 of their GH. I will cover all their recording expenses. I will pay your Artist this money regardless of whether or not I sell one single CD."

Mr. Giant Retailer is fairly confident that he is going to make money as he can set the price point low and present it as a point-of-purchase item in his Giant Retail Store. It is a new recording but it is promoting nostalgia and old memories, which sells. The Artist can probably also include a new track or two if they wish.

Probably kind of the same thing Bon Jovi did with Target, too.

[Voyager]

Here's the interview quote in question -

You’ve been quoted as saying that you want to stay out of America this year, do you think you’ve overdone the touring in the last few years?

Neal - "Well, you know what? I think with the change in the band now with Jeff, we have to get out and see what interest is out there in the rest of the world – I think it’s the right thing to do. We’ve toured extensively in the States for the last eight years without a break and I think we need to give it a rest, and now that things are picking up for us in Europe and in South America – we’re going to concentrate on different parts of the world this year. We’ll come over there and play the dates and then come back for a writing session and make a new CD. We’re also re-recording all our Greatest Hits and some of the more obscure songs that are on our big records, with Jeff in the studio. That’s probably the first thing we’ll put out and then we’ll come with a brand new record as well, and then we’re coming back over to Europe to headline some festivals. How about that? We’re headlining!"

They are NOT recording the "Classics"!! Give it a rest......

Let's see... who do I believe... Neal or The Fly? DOH!

This was obviously something that was on the agenda for Neal. Have you talked him out of it, or did he personally tell you that he was done with this idea? If not, then you are simply stating your own opinion.

[StoneCold]

This is probably the scenario as it is going on with other artists. It has little to do with artistic creativity and everything to do with money:

Mr. Giant Retailer to Mr. Artist Manager. "I will give your Artist <insert a fat amount here> dollars to re-record 5-6 of their GH. I will cover all their recording expenses. I will pay your Artist this money regardless of whether or not I sell one single CD."

Mr. Giant Retailer is fairly confident that he is going to make money as he can set the price point low and present it as a point-of-purchase item in his Giant Retail Store. It is a new recording but it is promoting nostalgia and old memories, which sells. The Artist can probably also include a new track or two if they wish.

Best Buy does this type of thing. They had exclusive on the Stones' "Bigger Bang" and "Four Flicks" when it first came out.

They will make huge dough with Journey props near the register if they do it around Christmas when those giant lines form.

Anyone want to bet there won't be a picture of the new singer anywhere on the exterior packaging?

[Rockindeano]

This is probably the scenario as it is going on with other artists. It has little to do with artistic creativity and everything to do with money:

Mr. Giant Retailer to Mr. Artist Manager. "I will give your Artist <insert a fat amount here> dollars to re-record 5-6 of their GH. I will cover all their recording expenses. I will pay your Artist this money regardless of whether or not I sell one single CD."

Mr. Giant Retailer is fairly confident that he is going to make money as he can set the price point low and present it as a point-of-purchase item in his Giant Retail Store. It is a new recording but it is promoting nostalgia and old memories, which sells. The Artist can probably also include a new track or two if they wish.

Best Buy does this type of thing. They had exclusive on the Stones' "Bigger Bang" and "Four Flicks" when it first came out.

They will make huge dough with Journey props near the register if they do it around Christmas when those giant lines form.

Anyone want to bet there won't be a picture of the new singer anywhere on the exterior packaging?

There won't be any pics of anyone on the cover. Scarab scarab scarab.

As always, Lora is nails, and is correct. This is exactly what's happening. There are only 2 big box retailers and the one that stats with T ain't it. Do the math. Azoff is about ready to deposit some serious coin into his account.

[Lora]

This is probably the scenario as it is going on with other artists. It has little to do with artistic creativity and everything to do with money:

Mr. Giant Retailer to Mr. Artist Manager. "I will give your Artist <insert a fat amount here> dollars to re-record 5-6 of their GH. I will cover all their recording expenses. I will pay your Artist this money regardless of whether or not I sell one single CD."

Mr. Giant Retailer is fairly confident that he is going to make money as he can set the price point low and present it as a point-of-purchase item in his Giant Retail Store. It is a new recording but it is promoting nostalgia and old memories, which sells. The Artist can probably also include a new track or two if they wish.

Boy, somebody sure is "in the loop."

Nah. Not in their loop and don't want to be.