Ok, fess up

[Behshad]

A poor frontman with no stage presence, can make the greatest song/show a boring one.
A great performer like Jeff, could make bible studies exciting, interesting and rocking!

Its all about the front man, Dan. When Jeff is on stage, he doesnt care how popular his band at the time is, but he wants to DELIVER. He makes sure that you get your money's worth and then some.

As I said though, we wont see things eye to eye on this. At least knowing that stage presence mean nothing to you, Im glad to say, you have nothing to worry about in Vegas

[WalrusOct9]

I watched the Chile show with as open a mind as possible.


I'll give any new music they make a fair chance, since what got me into Journey in the first place was the greatness of the songs (Perry was already out of the band by the time I really got into them, so I didn't really grow up with it like a lot of people did), but after watching that show, I kind of lost interest in seeing the band live. I don't think it would be awful or anything, but I don't feel like it would be particularly exciting, either, especially with what tickets cost these days.

I think JSS upped the standards so far as to what Journey was capable of onstage, that anything less than that performance-wise just feels like a disappointment.

[Enigma869]

he shys away from full vocal compatibility.

What the hell does this even mean?

He seems to chop his own vocals

Huh???

I'm no specialist.

That's quite apparent

I mean LIVE, the replacement singers sang songs better and held out the notes the way they were supposed to be sung.

You can't be serious! What the hell are you smoking? You truly believe that Augeri, Jeff, and Arnel sang better live, than Perry? Let me say this...I'm also not a "specialist" when it comes to the technical aspect of what makes a singer great or just mediocre. That said, I have NEVER, EVER, EVER heard ANY singer sound as good as Perry did live. And for the record, I'm referring to Perry's years with Journey, because I heard some of his later solo stuff live, and it sounded like his pipes were shot! I guarantee you that if you listen to the high notes in ANY Journey song (from ANY singer of your choice) there will not be a single guy you can find ANYWHERE who hit the notes like Perry did. In fact, just go on youtube and find various recordings of "Separate Ways", and you'll see almost every single guy, have their voices completely collapse at the end of that song, all because they're trying to hit Perry's impossible to reach range! I can also tell you if you listen to Mother/Father, you won't come across ANYONE who can sing that tune even half as well as Perry could, live! I don't think it's just a coincidence that Neal shy's away from this one in concert, more times than not! Even Neal understands that nobody else he trots out on the stage is hitting those notes, live!

Perry live vocally sometimes is no different than JSS, Augeri, or Arnel.

I honestly have NO idea how anyone with functioning hearing can say that, with a straight face. Let me say this...Augeri couldn't carry Perry's jock, vocally speaking! There was simply ZERO comparison, between the two guys. Perry had soooooooo much more power and range than Augeri EVER had! Again, I liked Augeri, but preferred his Arrival material, when he wasn't attempting to match Perry's range! Augeri simply wasn't on the same planet with Perry, and I honestly think he'd admit that! If you still don't believe that, look no further than the fact that the guy shredded his pipes trying to sing in a range that simply wasn't remotely natural for him! As for Jeff...I thought Jeff had great power in his voice (and frankly, much more power than I ever thought he had). That said, he also was no match for Perry, when it came to hitting the high notes on Journey tracks. As for Arnel...I think Arnel will do VERY well in the studio. I also think his live performance of "Faithfully" was the best I've seen, since Perry. That said, he was VERY shaky on many other tracks. My biggest surprise with Arnel was how much he really struggled to hit some of the higher notes. I honestly thought this is where he would shine, because it seems to be MUCH more his natural range, than his predecessors', from the boots I heard of him with his previous band.

I'm just trying to figure out which ever replacement is in there, WHAT EXACTLY do they have to do to be considered...good?

Well, I think that is in fact the rub...Journey was never just "good". To me, they're a legendary band, who has NEVER been given their due. They were a band built through the brilliant guitar work of Neal Schon, the unmatched vocals of Perry, and the superb songwriting genius of Jonathan Cain! I think every guy who has been brought in to replace Perry has been "good". The problem for all of those guys is that the bar was set VERY high by Perry, so just being "good" isn't really good enough! It is certainly more than okay to me for a guy replacing Perry to be just "good", but that's only because my expectations are FAR more realistic than most of my fellow Loons. I knew a VERY long time ago that Perry's voice was NEVER going to be matched by ANYONE, and 10 years later, I've proven to be correct! I also don't take Journey, as a present day band, all that seriously, and haven't since Perry left. They are what they are...a mainly 80's band, going out on the road, and playing their classic hits. I think a "good" lead singer is more than adequate for that particular purpose. I think where the rubber meets the road (having a relevant CD with music that people, outside of Journey websites pay attention to), they will probably continue to not matter!

By the efforts by Pineda the other night, it seemed fine to me.

I agree. It was "fine". I think that "fine" is actually okay with most people, at this point in time, when it comes to Journey. Most of us realize that we're not going to re-create 1983, so it's a waste of time to even try. I thought Arnel had some strong moments the other night, but anyone who is honest with themselves will also recognize that he had A LOT over very shaky moments, as well! Let's hope that he at least learns the words to the songs, before performing them in this country!


John from Boston

[Saint John]

A poor frontman with no stage presence, can make the greatest song/show a boring one.
A great performer like Jeff, could make bible studies exciting, interesting and rocking!

Its all about the front man, Dan. When Jeff is on stage, he doesnt care how popular his band at the time is, but he wants to DELIVER. He makes sure that you get your money's worth and then some.

As I said though, we wont see things eye to eye on this. At least knowing that stage presence mean nothing to you, Im glad to say, you have nothing to worry about in Vegas

I go to a concert to hear the best possible live show possible. If I wanted stage theatrics I'd go see Cirque De Soleil. I'm not a little fucking kid. Take david Lee Roth or Gene Simmons, for example. Some idiot running around breathing fire or spitting up fake blood doesn't impress me. Scissor kicks don't impress me much, either.

[Moon Beam]

I go to a concert to hear the best possible live show possible. If I wanted stage theatrics I'd go see Cirque De Soleil. I'm not a little fucking kid. Take david Lee Roth or Gene Simmons, for example. Some idiot running around breathing fire or spitting up fake blood doesn't impress me. Scissor kicks don't impress me much, either.

I like the whole sha-bang and it does vary from one band to the next.
Your in it for the ear ethics, that's cool.
For me I am completely content if the songs are done with justice.
However if added performance comes into play, that's a plus for me.

[StevePerryHair]

A poor frontman with no stage presence, can make the greatest song/show a boring one.
A great performer like Jeff, could make bible studies exciting, interesting and rocking!

Its all about the front man, Dan. When Jeff is on stage, he doesnt care how popular his band at the time is, but he wants to DELIVER. He makes sure that you get your money's worth and then some.

As I said though, we wont see things eye to eye on this. At least knowing that stage presence mean nothing to you, Im glad to say, you have nothing to worry about in Vegas

I remember Joe Elliott saying in an interview on a radio station once something about Jeff is one of those rare singers who could sing the phone book and keep the audience interested. I can't remember the exact quote, but it was close to that. Even the DL guys could see his talent as a front man. I'm sure it had to kill Joe too, since he has lost so much of his voice. But look, we don't care the JE has lost his voice when we see him, because he has it too. Stage presence.

[Saint John]

Its all about the front man, Dan.

Categorically UNTRUE. If that was the case his solo tour would have had droves of people lined up to see him. And while I wasn't able to make any of the shows, I know attendance was low. "Stage presence" didn't mean that much after all, huh?

[StevePerryHair]

Its all about the front man, Dan.

Categorically UNTRUE. If that was the case his solo tour would have had droves of people lined up to see him. And while I wasn't able to make any of the shows, I know attendance was low. "Stage presence" didn't mean that much after all, huh?

That's unfair Dan. Jeff owned that stage and treated us like we were an audience of 100,000. He does not hold back, even when inside he HAD to be disappointed. Though I think to those who truly enjoy a certain band and their music, they will buy tickets even if the lead sat in a chair to sing, I also think the stage presence is what shows the talent. I may go see a boring band whose music I like once every couple of years, but if a band can hook me by their show and how excited they make me and the audience feel about the music, then I will see more than one show in one tour. Maybe that's how I ended up at 8 Journey shows over the last 1 1/2 yrs

[Saint John]

Its all about the front man, Dan.

Categorically UNTRUE. If that was the case his solo tour would have had droves of people lined up to see him. And while I wasn't able to make any of the shows, I know attendance was low. "Stage presence" didn't mean that much after all, huh?

That's unfair Dan. Jeff owned that stage and treated us like we were an audience of 100,000. He does not hold back, even when inside he HAD to be disappointed. Though I think to those who truly enjoy a certain band and their music, they will buy tickets even if the lead sat in a chair to sing, I also think the stage presence is what shows the talent. I may go see a boring band whose music I like once every couple of years, but if a band can hook me by their show and how excited they make me and the audience feel about the music, then I will see more than one show in one tour. Maybe that's how I ended up at 8 Journey shows over the last 1 1/2 yrs

No one has to tell me that Jeff treats his fans well. I've seen it. I know. That's called being a classy professional, and he's as professional as they come. His only mistake was getting too close to a few obsessive psychos that manipulated, lied, and then started an online "jihad" against Arnel as if he actually did something wrong. Sometimes being a bit of a loner like Steve Perry pays dividends.

[WalrusOct9]

A poor frontman with no stage presence, can make the greatest song/show a boring one.
A great performer like Jeff, could make bible studies exciting, interesting and rocking!

Its all about the front man, Dan. When Jeff is on stage, he doesnt care how popular his band at the time is, but he wants to DELIVER. He makes sure that you get your money's worth and then some.
http://forums.melodicrock.com/phpBB/viewforum.php?f=69
Journey
As I said though, we wont see things eye to eye on this. At least knowing that stage presence mean nothing to you, Im glad to say, you have nothing to worry about in Vegas

I go to a concert to hear the best possible live show possible. If I wanted stage theatrics I'd go see Cirque De Soleil. I'm not a little fucking kid. Take david Lee Roth or Gene Simmons, for example. Some idiot running around breathing fire or spitting up fake blood doesn't impress me. Scissor kicks don't impress me much, either.

The music is the most important thing, but it's Journey, not the Grateful Dead. Every song is regulated by Deen's click track and played at the exact same tempo with the same song structure every night, and with the exception of a random "Rubicon" or "Walks Like A Lady" or something, they've played those songs every night for the last 10 years to the point where they could do a show in their sleep.

So it's the singer's job to do more than just stand there and sing, to make it something you can't get watching a DVD or listening to a live album at home, especially since the singer is no longer the singer who originated any of the songs in the first place. The singer needs to put on a show, maybe not at David Lee Roth levels of silliness, but needs to not only engage the crowd, but keep the band energized since they're glued to the click track and probably going through the motions at this point on about 85% of the setlist.

[StevePerryHair]

Its all about the front man, Dan.

Categorically UNTRUE. If that was the case his solo tour would have had droves of people lined up to see him. And while I wasn't able to make any of the shows, I know attendance was low. "Stage presence" didn't mean that much after all, huh?

That's unfair Dan. Jeff owned that stage and treated us like we were an audience of 100,000. He does not hold back, even when inside he HAD to be disappointed. Though I think to those who truly enjoy a certain band and their music, they will buy tickets even if the lead sat in a chair to sing, I also think the stage presence is what shows the talent. I may go see a boring band whose music I like once every couple of years, but if a band can hook me by their show and how excited they make me and the audience feel about the music, then I will see more than one show in one tour. Maybe that's how I ended up at 8 Journey shows over the last 1 1/2 yrs

No one has to tell me that Jeff treats his fans well. I've seen it. I know. That's called being a classy professional, and he's as professional as they come. His only mistake was getting too close to a few obsessive psychos that manipulated, lied, and then started an online "jihad" against Arnel as if he actually did something wrong. Sometimes being a bit of a loner like Steve Perry pays dividends.

Well, I can't argue with that But you know, I am not talking about just how he treated us either. It is how he performs on the stage during the music. Not a lot of front guys can gain attention the way he does. You can just feel his energy. That is what Behshad is trying to say I think. He makes you excited about even the most boring of songs because of how he performs it. And in the stupid US market, and his need for better ways to advertise for his solo tour, he didn't fill the venues solo. I think it's a different story when he performs in Europe though, because they appreciate the talent and melodic rock. Unfortunately the ROCK audience in the US consists mostly of us middle aged people trying to relive our youth through nostalgia. Since Jeff was not in a US band that can give us nostalgia, it is very tough for him to sell his act here. So he goes on a great talent unnoticed. It would be great for that to change someday though.

[ProgRocker53]

A poor frontman with no stage presence, can make the greatest song/show a boring one.
A great performer like Jeff, could make bible studies exciting, interesting and rocking!

Its all about the front man, Dan. When Jeff is on stage, he doesnt care how popular his band at the time is, but he wants to DELIVER. He makes sure that you get your money's worth and then some.
http://forums.melodicrock.com/phpBB/viewforum.php?f=69
Journey
As I said though, we wont see things eye to eye on this. At least knowing that stage presence mean nothing to you, Im glad to say, you have nothing to worry about in Vegas

I go to a concert to hear the best possible live show possible. If I wanted stage theatrics I'd go see Cirque De Soleil. I'm not a little fucking kid. Take david Lee Roth or Gene Simmons, for example. Some idiot running around breathing fire or spitting up fake blood doesn't impress me. Scissor kicks don't impress me much, either.

The music is the most important thing, but it's Journey, not the Grateful Dead. Every song is regulated by Deen's click track and played at the exact same tempo with the same song structure every night, and with the exception of a random "Rubicon" or "Walks Like A Lady" or something, they've played those songs every night for the last 10 years to the point where they could do a show in their sleep.

So it's the singer's job to do more than just stand there and sing, to make it something you can't get watching a DVD or listening to a live album at home, especially since the singer is no longer the singer who originated any of the songs in the first place. The singer needs to put on a show, maybe not at David Lee Roth levels of silliness, but needs to not only engage the crowd, but keep the band energized since they're glued to the click track and probably going through the motions at this point on about 85% of the setlist.

I wish Journey would just let loose and jam the heck out during their shows.

Keep the dirty dozen, or at least most of it.... but throw in some goodies! 7-minute blues jam on "Walks Like a Lady." Jazz-fusion odyssey on "Of a Lifetime." Trade off mathematic riffs on "Kohoutek," and for crying out loud have some bass and drum solos!

[Rick]

A poor frontman with no stage presence, can make the greatest song/show a boring one.
A great performer like Jeff, could make bible studies exciting, interesting and rocking!

Its all about the front man, Dan. When Jeff is on stage, he doesnt care how popular his band at the time is, but he wants to DELIVER. He makes sure that you get your money's worth and then some.
http://forums.melodicrock.com/phpBB/viewforum.php?f=69
Journey
As I said though, we wont see things eye to eye on this. At least knowing that stage presence mean nothing to you, Im glad to say, you have nothing to worry about in Vegas

I go to a concert to hear the best possible live show possible. If I wanted stage theatrics I'd go see Cirque De Soleil. I'm not a little fucking kid. Take david Lee Roth or Gene Simmons, for example. Some idiot running around breathing fire or spitting up fake blood doesn't impress me. Scissor kicks don't impress me much, either.

The music is the most important thing, but it's Journey, not the Grateful Dead. Every song is regulated by Deen's click track and played at the exact same tempo with the same song structure every night, and with the exception of a random "Rubicon" or "Walks Like A Lady" or something, they've played those songs every night for the last 10 years to the point where they could do a show in their sleep.

So it's the singer's job to do more than just stand there and sing, to make it something you can't get watching a DVD or listening to a live album at home, especially since the singer is no longer the singer who originated any of the songs in the first place. The singer needs to put on a show, maybe not at David Lee Roth levels of silliness, but needs to not only engage the crowd, but keep the band energized since they're glued to the click track and probably going through the motions at this point on about 85% of the setlist.

I wish Journey would just let loose and jam the heck out during their shows.

Keep the dirty dozen, or at least most of it.... but throw in some goodies! 7-minute blues jam on "Walks Like a Lady." Jazz-fusion odyssey on "Of a Lifetime." Trade off mathematic riffs on "Kohoutek," and for crying out loud have some bass and drum solos!

Shit, Neal would need a nap after a 7 minute jam now days.

[Deb]

A poor frontman with no stage presence, can make the greatest song/show a boring one.
A great performer like Jeff, could make bible studies exciting, interesting and rocking!

Its all about the front man, Dan. When Jeff is on stage, he doesnt care how popular his band at the time is, but he wants to DELIVER. He makes sure that you get your money's worth and then some.

As I said though, we wont see things eye to eye on this. At least knowing that stage presence mean nothing to you, Im glad to say, you have nothing to worry about in Vegas

Agreed! But maybe "stage presence" means different things to different people. Stage presence to me is not all about running around and antics. It's in the delivery/passion of the performance whether it be a rocker or a ballad. If the singer is feeling that song, then so am I. Sure there is some great singers out there, but not many that provide the whole package. The passion in the delivery of a ballad is read more in the face, where as a rocker is more physical. Of course you have to have a great voice to start with. But if the singer is going to stand in one spot with no expression, then I might as well be listening to a cd.

IMO, 2 great examples of stage presence.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDtHpo3I5vc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0swL7jihXd4

Of course, Perry's a given.

[WalrusOct9]

I wish Journey would just let loose and jam the heck out during their shows.

Keep the dirty dozen, or at least most of it.... but throw in some goodies! 7-minute blues jam on "Walks Like a Lady." Jazz-fusion odyssey on "Of a Lifetime." Trade off mathematic riffs on "Kohoutek," and for crying out loud have some bass and drum solos!

Yeah, I don't know...I dont think that would go over real well to most of the people who see Journey these days, but I was just pointing out how rigid Journey's performances are.

I mean...take a band like Depeche Mode, who's sound I imagine is about 1/3 sequenced (drum loops, bass parts, other misc. sounds that don't lend themself to being played live) and a performance of a specific song on any given night will probably sound just like any other night, yet they still fill arenas, but I'm pretty sure no one would go see it if it wasn't for Dave Gahan's voice and charisma onstage. Without a doubt one of the best pure performers I've ever seen.

Journey needs someone like that, who can elevate their somewhat stale setlist into an experience, not just a bunch of songs being played competently over a loud PA.

[Enigma869]

for crying out loud have some bass solos!

Yeah...that's what most Journey fans want to listen to...Ross "jamming away" on his bass! No thanks!


John from Boston

[Granny]

Its all about the front man, Dan.

Categorically UNTRUE. If that was the case his solo tour would have had droves of people lined up to see him. And while I wasn't able to make any of the shows, I know attendance was low. "Stage presence" didn't mean that much after all, huh?

That's unfair Dan. Jeff owned that stage and treated us like we were an audience of 100,000. He does not hold back, even when inside he HAD to be disappointed. Though I think to those who truly enjoy a certain band and their music, they will buy tickets even if the lead sat in a chair to sing, I also think the stage presence is what shows the talent. I may go see a boring band whose music I like once every couple of years, but if a band can hook me by their show and how excited they make me and the audience feel about the music, then I will see more than one show in one tour. Maybe that's how I ended up at 8 Journey shows over the last 1 1/2 yrs

Yeah, I remember them too! 3 shows in 4 days was the ultimate experience with Jeff as the frontman...it does make for a more exciting show!
I miss Jeff and what I want will never happen so, with that said, will I see Arnel?....He didn't excite me the way Jeff did the first time I saw him but I love Journey music and am interested to hear the new CD which I will probably buy, however at this time and until Arnel improves I will save my money for maybe a trip to CA.
I thought Arnel did a pretty good job for his first concert with journey.....G.

[Stoneyman]

Stoneyman
go fuck yourself
Its not like it was his first day as a singer on stage. He has been on stage many times before, but last nite he didnt deliver.
Jeff did much better on his first show, and he had to do this within few days.
Arnie had months to practice.... it was far from perfect, but far from complete failure,
He will get better as time goes, for sure, but ONE ingredient that was missing that he can not gain by time is STAGE PRESENCE and ENERGY.,,,, So no matter how exact he can hit all those notes, and how much he can sound exactly like Perry, he will be a perry wanna be puppet, without STAGE PRESENCE and ENERGY that the band had a year ago.....

Go Fuck Myself. For an opinion. You sure are a fucking squirrel of man to have the balls to attack me for my opinion. I dont have to read many of your posts to know that you act like an annoying little Soto ball hugger. I have tons of respect for Soto. I met him in 1984 when he was with Yngwie. Great guy too. It is a shame his good sense and respectfulness does not rub off on his fans.

You dont like Arnel. I havent decided yet because he has only done one show. And whether I decide to like Arnel or not wont change a thing Journey does. Therefore, unlike you, I wont come and wine like a little Pussy because my favorite singer inst in the band anymore. Jeff was great, but the DRUMMER had to sing the ballads because he simply couldnt do them justice. Soto doesnt need fans like you.

Peace

[Behshad]

Stoneyman
go fuck yourself
Its not like it was his first day as a singer on stage. He has been on stage many times before, but last nite he didnt deliver.
Jeff did much better on his first show, and he had to do this within few days.
Arnie had months to practice.... it was far from perfect, but far from complete failure,
He will get better as time goes, for sure, but ONE ingredient that was missing that he can not gain by time is STAGE PRESENCE and ENERGY.,,,, So no matter how exact he can hit all those notes, and how much he can sound exactly like Perry, he will be a perry wanna be puppet, without STAGE PRESENCE and ENERGY that the band had a year ago.....

Go Fuck Myself. For an opinion. You sure are a fucking squirrel of man to have the balls to attack me for my opinion. I dont have to read many of your posts to know that you act like an annoying little Soto ball hugger. I have tons of respect for Soto. I met him in 1984 when he was with Yngwie. Great guy too. It is a shame his good sense and respectfulness does not rub off on his fans.

You dont like Arnel. I havent decided yet because he has only done one show. And whether I decide to like Arnel or not wont change a thing Journey does. Therefore, unlike you, I wont come and wine like a little Pussy because my favorite singer inst in the band anymore. Jeff was great, but the DRUMMER had to sing the ballads because he simply couldnt do them justice. Soto doesnt need fans like you.

Peace

Shove your 22 post up your ass and leave. Your opinions doesnt mean SHIT here, when your'e tryin to shove 'em down our throats.
Arnel deserves fans like you. Wine?? inst? Were you 2 years old when you met Soto back in 84???


NO PEACE!

[Stoneyman]

Stoneyman
go fuck yourself
Its not like it was his first day as a singer on stage. He has been on stage many times before, but last nite he didnt deliver.
Jeff did much better on his first show, and he had to do this within few days.
Arnie had months to practice.... it was far from perfect, but far from complete failure,
He will get better as time goes, for sure, but ONE ingredient that was missing that he can not gain by time is STAGE PRESENCE and ENERGY.,,,, So no matter how exact he can hit all those notes, and how much he can sound exactly like Perry, he will be a perry wanna be puppet, without STAGE PRESENCE and ENERGY that the band had a year ago.....

Go Fuck Myself. For an opinion. You sure are a fucking squirrel of man to have the balls to attack me for my opinion. I dont have to read many of your posts to know that you act like an annoying little Soto ball hugger. I have tons of respect for Soto. I met him in 1984 when he was with Yngwie. Great guy too. It is a shame his good sense and respectfulness does not rub off on his fans.

You dont like Arnel. I havent decided yet because he has only done one show. And whether I decide to like Arnel or not wont change a thing Journey does. Therefore, unlike you, I wont come and wine like a little Pussy because my favorite singer inst in the band anymore. Jeff was great, but the DRUMMER had to sing the ballads because he simply couldnt do them justice. Soto doesnt need fans like you.

Peace

Shove your 22 post up your ass and leave. Your opinions doesnt mean SHIT here, when your'e tryin to shove 'em down our throats.
Arnel deserves fans like you. Wine?? inst? Were you 2 years old when you met Soto back in 84???


NO PEACE!

I was 15 when I met him if you must know. Do you measure your weiner like your post counts? Your high count only means that you come here often to slag your supposed favorite band because they fired your boy. That must suck. When you tell your coworkers at Burger King about Jeff Scott and Journey, do you rub yourself? Dont try to act like Deano all of a sudden. In fact he should send you a ceast and decist letter for acting like him, only without the intelligence and balls. If you werent too busy correcting my spelling you would read that I havent decided if I like Arnel just yet. Now go jerk off to your Jeff poster. Oh wait, I want fries with that!

[Rick]

Stoneyman
go fuck yourself
Its not like it was his first day as a singer on stage. He has been on stage many times before, but last nite he didnt deliver.
Jeff did much better on his first show, and he had to do this within few days.
Arnie had months to practice.... it was far from perfect, but far from complete failure,
He will get better as time goes, for sure, but ONE ingredient that was missing that he can not gain by time is STAGE PRESENCE and ENERGY.,,,, So no matter how exact he can hit all those notes, and how much he can sound exactly like Perry, he will be a perry wanna be puppet, without STAGE PRESENCE and ENERGY that the band had a year ago.....

Go Fuck Myself. For an opinion. You sure are a fucking squirrel of man to have the balls to attack me for my opinion. I dont have to read many of your posts to know that you act like an annoying little Soto ball hugger. I have tons of respect for Soto. I met him in 1984 when he was with Yngwie. Great guy too. It is a shame his good sense and respectfulness does not rub off on his fans.

You dont like Arnel. I havent decided yet because he has only done one show. And whether I decide to like Arnel or not wont change a thing Journey does. Therefore, unlike you, I wont come and wine like a little Pussy because my favorite singer inst in the band anymore. Jeff was great, but the DRUMMER had to sing the ballads because he simply couldnt do them justice. Soto doesnt need fans like you.

Peace

Shove your 22 post up your ass and leave. Your opinions doesnt mean SHIT here, when your'e tryin to shove 'em down our throats.
Arnel deserves fans like you. Wine?? inst? Were you 2 years old when you met Soto back in 84???


NO PEACE!

I was 15 when I met him if you must know. Do you measure your weiner like your post counts? Your high count only means that you come here often to slag your supposed favorite band because they fired your boy. That must suck. When you tell your coworkers at Burger King about Jeff Scott and Journey, do you rub yourself? Dont try to act like Deano all of a sudden. In fact he should send you a ceast and decist letter for acting like him, only without the intelligence and balls. If you werent too busy correcting my spelling you would read that I havent decided if I like Arnel just yet. Now go jerk off to your Jeff poster. Oh wait, I want fries with that!

Hey!!! Hey!!! Has spring training started?

[RedWingFan]

Now go jerk off to your Jeff poster. Oh wait, I want fries with that!

Aw hell!!!!

[Vladan]

YoungJRNY,

Honestly dude, no disrespect to you as a person. Though reading those comments you made, they are in serious question. Really, if people are comparing Steve Perry to anyone? they are not very smart at the moment, and it's not even a topic at hand - you can't compare it against the man who wrote, co-wrote, released the CD's, and made those songs what they were. Perry could sing these songs in 60% or lower to his vocal ability, they are still being sung the way they are meant to be done. Nobody can change that, not now not ever. I enjoy Arnel, he's great. But! he is not the man they call Steve Perry, who was and will be considered the best lead singer of Journey, period - ask the band members if you need to.

[Rick]

YoungJRNY,

Honestly dude, no disrespect to you as a person. Though reading those comments you made, they are in serious question. Really, if people are comparing Steve Perry to anyone? they are not very smart at the moment, and it's not even a topic at hand - you can't compare it against the man who wrote, co-wrote, released the CD's, and made those songs what they were. Perry could sing these songs in 60% or lower to his vocal ability, they are still being sung the way they are meant to be done. Nobody can change that, not now not ever. I enjoy Arnel, he's great. But! he is not the man they call Steve Perry, who was and will be considered the best lead singer of Journey, period - ask the band members if you need to.

Ditto! Nobody will ever be as good as Steve Perry was with Journey. Arnel still has a lot to prove.

[Behshad]

Stoneyman
go fuck yourself
Its not like it was his first day as a singer on stage. He has been on stage many times before, but last nite he didnt deliver.
Jeff did much better on his first show, and he had to do this within few days.
Arnie had months to practice.... it was far from perfect, but far from complete failure,
He will get better as time goes, for sure, but ONE ingredient that was missing that he can not gain by time is STAGE PRESENCE and ENERGY.,,,, So no matter how exact he can hit all those notes, and how much he can sound exactly like Perry, he will be a perry wanna be puppet, without STAGE PRESENCE and ENERGY that the band had a year ago.....

Go Fuck Myself. For an opinion. You sure are a fucking squirrel of man to have the balls to attack me for my opinion. I dont have to read many of your posts to know that you act like an annoying little Soto ball hugger. I have tons of respect for Soto. I met him in 1984 when he was with Yngwie. Great guy too. It is a shame his good sense and respectfulness does not rub off on his fans.

You dont like Arnel. I havent decided yet because he has only done one show. And whether I decide to like Arnel or not wont change a thing Journey does. Therefore, unlike you, I wont come and wine like a little Pussy because my favorite singer inst in the band anymore. Jeff was great, but the DRUMMER had to sing the ballads because he simply couldnt do them justice. Soto doesnt need fans like you.

Peace

Shove your 22 post up your ass and leave. Your opinions doesnt mean SHIT here, when your'e tryin to shove 'em down our throats.
Arnel deserves fans like you. Wine?? inst? Were you 2 years old when you met Soto back in 84???


NO PEACE!

I was 15 when I met him if you must know. Do you measure your weiner like your post counts? Your high count only means that you come here often to slag your supposed favorite band because they fired your boy. That must suck. When you tell your coworkers at Burger King about Jeff Scott and Journey, do you rub yourself? Dont try to act like Deano all of a sudden. In fact he should send you a ceast and decist letter for acting like him, only without the intelligence and balls. If you werent too busy correcting my spelling you would read that I havent decided if I like Arnel just yet. Now go jerk off to your Jeff poster. Oh wait, I want fries with that!

yea ok I work at burger king . You got me there.
I just got the letter from Dean so no worries.
Journey my fav band !? Hardly.
Go fuck yourself susie-lover.
So your IQ has stayed the same since 84 ?
Go fuck yourself!

[YoungJRNY]

he shys away from full vocal compatibility.

What the hell does this even mean?

He seems to chop his own vocals

Huh???

I'm no specialist.

That's quite apparent

I mean LIVE, the replacement singers sang songs better and held out the notes the way they were supposed to be sung.

You can't be serious! What the hell are you smoking? You truly believe that Augeri, Jeff, and Arnel sang better live, than Perry? Let me say this...I'm also not a "specialist" when it comes to the technical aspect of what makes a singer great or just mediocre. That said, I have NEVER, EVER, EVER heard ANY singer sound as good as Perry did live. And for the record, I'm referring to Perry's years with Journey, because I heard some of his later solo stuff live, and it sounded like his pipes were shot! I guarantee you that if you listen to the high notes in ANY Journey song (from ANY singer of your choice) there will not be a single guy you can find ANYWHERE who hit the notes like Perry did. In fact, just go on youtube and find various recordings of "Separate Ways", and you'll see almost every single guy, have their voices completely collapse at the end of that song, all because they're trying to hit Perry's impossible to reach range! I can also tell you if you listen to Mother/Father, you won't come across ANYONE who can sing that tune even half as well as Perry could, live! I don't think it's just a coincidence that Neal shy's away from this one in concert, more times than not! Even Neal understands that nobody else he trots out on the stage is hitting those notes, live!

Perry live vocally sometimes is no different than JSS, Augeri, or Arnel.

I honestly have NO idea how anyone with functioning hearing can say that, with a straight face. Let me say this...Augeri couldn't carry Perry's jock, vocally speaking! There was simply ZERO comparison, between the two guys. Perry had soooooooo much more power and range than Augeri EVER had! Again, I liked Augeri, but preferred his Arrival material, when he wasn't attempting to match Perry's range! Augeri simply wasn't on the same planet with Perry, and I honestly think he'd admit that! If you still don't believe that, look no further than the fact that the guy shredded his pipes trying to sing in a range that simply wasn't remotely natural for him! As for Jeff...I thought Jeff had great power in his voice (and frankly, much more power than I ever thought he had). That said, he also was no match for Perry, when it came to hitting the high notes on Journey tracks. As for Arnel...I think Arnel will do VERY well in the studio. I also think his live performance of "Faithfully" was the best I've seen, since Perry. That said, he was VERY shaky on many other tracks. My biggest surprise with Arnel was how much he really struggled to hit some of the higher notes. I honestly thought this is where he would shine, because it seems to be MUCH more his natural range, than his predecessors', from the boots I heard of him with his previous band.

I'm just trying to figure out which ever replacement is in there, WHAT EXACTLY do they have to do to be considered...good?

Well, I think that is in fact the rub...Journey was never just "good". To me, they're a legendary band, who has NEVER been given their due. They were a band built through the brilliant guitar work of Neal Schon, the unmatched vocals of Perry, and the superb songwriting genius of Jonathan Cain! I think every guy who has been brought in to replace Perry has been "good". The problem for all of those guys is that the bar was set VERY high by Perry, so just being "good" isn't really good enough! It is certainly more than okay to me for a guy replacing Perry to be just "good", but that's only because my expectations are FAR more realistic than most of my fellow Loons. I knew a VERY long time ago that Perry's voice was NEVER going to be matched by ANYONE, and 10 years later, I've proven to be correct! I also don't take Journey, as a present day band, all that seriously, and haven't since Perry left. They are what they are...a mainly 80's band, going out on the road, and playing their classic hits. I think a "good" lead singer is more than adequate for that particular purpose. I think where the rubber meets the road (having a relevant CD with music that people, outside of Journey websites pay attention to), they will probably continue to not matter!

By the efforts by Pineda the other night, it seemed fine to me.

I agree. It was "fine". I think that "fine" is actually okay with most people, at this point in time, when it comes to Journey. Most of us realize that we're not going to re-create 1983, so it's a waste of time to even try. I thought Arnel had some strong moments the other night, but anyone who is honest with themselves will also recognize that he had A LOT over very shaky moments, as well! Let's hope that he at least learns the words to the songs, before performing them in this country!


John from Boston

John, let me just start off my response by saying..that I respect you to a high level. You know your shit there's no denying that one. What I like about you is that your not a big time homer, and you are defiantly a realist.

Your response to mine was well thought out, said without fighting words, and was dead on what someone of the band would agree. From the complete lashing you just gave me (and yes, my butthole still hurts ) (lol)

With that said, I still stick to my word. I never grew up with Perry, I've never seen concerts when they were the juggernauts of the music biz..but at the same time know the value of legendary they were/are. So how you view the band today is a lot different than I view it, no question. That's the beauty of the first amendment.

What I was trying to say is that on some you tube clips, and they were later in Perrys career where you said he sounded shredded..where I thought he shyed away from his vocal capabilities. I know, Perry is god no question, but I still listen with my clear mind, and sometimes he sounds raspy and stays away. Like I said it's hard to say what am I trying to put out there. I understand I will get buried, it is fine. It's still my opinion though.

During the GH LIVE CD, on some points, Perry actualy annoys me. I listen to it at work everyday, and his voice is so Soprano and loud, the end of songs like Lovin' Touchin Squeezing he just gets carried away and it's sometimes annoying. Gotta love him, he's JOURNEY and why we are debating shit here.

Perry will never be touched like you said, because..well, that's HIS voice, nobody else's. It's hard enough to mock somebody let alone try to sing like someone. Everyone must understand if you want the magic of the 80's, you will sadly be mistaken, and will forever be disgusted. It MUST be let go.

This is a clip of BGTY. For me, I don't like the performance, and think his voice sounds shredded, no doubt.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FP-yr6iWPMs

As for Arnel, give the guy a break. He did a great job and it's sad he or anyone else has to be compared this way. Lose-Lose. I like him, and will rock out with him, come Vegas time.

Once again, I'm lovin' the passion of your post, so keep it up bro. All I'm saying, is that's my opinion, and I stick by it..and I hope you respect that.

[youkeepmewaiting]

he shys away from full vocal compatibility.

What the hell does this even mean?

He seems to chop his own vocals

Huh???

I'm no specialist.

That's quite apparent

I mean LIVE, the replacement singers sang songs better and held out the notes the way they were supposed to be sung.

You can't be serious! What the hell are you smoking? You truly believe that Augeri, Jeff, and Arnel sang better live, than Perry? Let me say this...I'm also not a "specialist" when it comes to the technical aspect of what makes a singer great or just mediocre. That said, I have NEVER, EVER, EVER heard ANY singer sound as good as Perry did live. And for the record, I'm referring to Perry's years with Journey, because I heard some of his later solo stuff live, and it sounded like his pipes were shot! I guarantee you that if you listen to the high notes in ANY Journey song (from ANY singer of your choice) there will not be a single guy you can find ANYWHERE who hit the notes like Perry did. In fact, just go on youtube and find various recordings of "Separate Ways", and you'll see almost every single guy, have their voices completely collapse at the end of that song, all because they're trying to hit Perry's impossible to reach range! I can also tell you if you listen to Mother/Father, you won't come across ANYONE who can sing that tune even half as well as Perry could, live! I don't think it's just a coincidence that Neal shy's away from this one in concert, more times than not! Even Neal understands that nobody else he trots out on the stage is hitting those notes, live!

Perry live vocally sometimes is no different than JSS, Augeri, or Arnel.

I honestly have NO idea how anyone with functioning hearing can say that, with a straight face. Let me say this...Augeri couldn't carry Perry's jock, vocally speaking! There was simply ZERO comparison, between the two guys. Perry had soooooooo much more power and range than Augeri EVER had! Again, I liked Augeri, but preferred his Arrival material, when he wasn't attempting to match Perry's range! Augeri simply wasn't on the same planet with Perry, and I honestly think he'd admit that! If you still don't believe that, look no further than the fact that the guy shredded his pipes trying to sing in a range that simply wasn't remotely natural for him! As for Jeff...I thought Jeff had great power in his voice (and frankly, much more power than I ever thought he had). That said, he also was no match for Perry, when it came to hitting the high notes on Journey tracks. As for Arnel...I think Arnel will do VERY well in the studio. I also think his live performance of "Faithfully" was the best I've seen, since Perry. That said, he was VERY shaky on many other tracks. My biggest surprise with Arnel was how much he really struggled to hit some of the higher notes. I honestly thought this is where he would shine, because it seems to be MUCH more his natural range, than his predecessors', from the boots I heard of him with his previous band.

I'm just trying to figure out which ever replacement is in there, WHAT EXACTLY do they have to do to be considered...good?

Well, I think that is in fact the rub...Journey was never just "good". To me, they're a legendary band, who has NEVER been given their due. They were a band built through the brilliant guitar work of Neal Schon, the unmatched vocals of Perry, and the superb songwriting genius of Jonathan Cain! I think every guy who has been brought in to replace Perry has been "good". The problem for all of those guys is that the bar was set VERY high by Perry, so just being "good" isn't really good enough! It is certainly more than okay to me for a guy replacing Perry to be just "good", but that's only because my expectations are FAR more realistic than most of my fellow Loons. I knew a VERY long time ago that Perry's voice was NEVER going to be matched by ANYONE, and 10 years later, I've proven to be correct! I also don't take Journey, as a present day band, all that seriously, and haven't since Perry left. They are what they are...a mainly 80's band, going out on the road, and playing their classic hits. I think a "good" lead singer is more than adequate for that particular purpose. I think where the rubber meets the road (having a relevant CD with music that people, outside of Journey websites pay attention to), they will probably continue to not matter!

By the efforts by Pineda the other night, it seemed fine to me.

I agree. It was "fine". I think that "fine" is actually okay with most people, at this point in time, when it comes to Journey. Most of us realize that we're not going to re-create 1983, so it's a waste of time to even try. I thought Arnel had some strong moments the other night, but anyone who is honest with themselves will also recognize that he had A LOT over very shaky moments, as well! Let's hope that he at least learns the words to the songs, before performing them in this country!


John from Boston

John, let me just start off my response by saying..that I respect you to a high level. You know your shit there's no denying that one. What I like about you is that your not a big time homer, and you are defiantly a realist.

Your response to mine was well thought out, said without fighting words, and was dead on what someone of the band would agree. From the complete lashing you just gave me (and yes, my butthole still hurts ) (lol)

With that said, I still stick to my word. I never grew up with Perry, I've never seen concerts when they were the juggernauts of the music biz..but at the same time know the value of legendary they were/are. So how you view the band today is a lot different than I view it, no question. That's the beauty of the first amendment.

What I was trying to say is that on some you tube clips, and they were later in Perrys career where you said he sounded shredded..where I thought he shyed away from his vocal capabilities. I know, Perry is god no question, but I still listen with my clear mind, and sometimes he sounds raspy and stays away. Like I said it's hard to say what am I trying to put out there. I understand I will get buried, it is fine. It's still my opinion though.

During the GH LIVE CD, on some points, Perry actualy annoys me. I listen to it at work everyday, and his voice is so Soprano and loud, the end of songs like Lovin' Touchin Squeezing he just gets carried away and it's sometimes annoying. Gotta love him, he's JOURNEY and why we are debating shit here.

Perry will never be touched like you said, because..well, that's HIS voice, nobody else's. It's hard enough to mock somebody let alone try to sing like someone. Everyone must understand if you want the magic of the 80's, you will sadly be mistaken, and will forever be disgusted. It MUST be let go.

This is a clip of BGTY. For me, I don't like the performance, and think his voice sounds shredded, no doubt.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FP-yr6iWPMs

As for Arnel, give the guy a break. He did a great job and it's sad he or anyone else has to be compared this way. Lose-Lose. I like him, and will rock out with him, come Vegas time.

Once again, I'm lovin' the passion of your post, so keep it up bro. All I'm saying, is that's my opinion, and I stick by it..and I hope you respect that.

You made some very good points..except the one that i bolded. His voice had certainly taken a battering but the performance was fantastic, as was his voice there

[Enigma869]

John, let me just start off my response by saying..that I respect you to a high level. You know your shit there's no denying that one. What I like about you is that your not a big time homer, and you are defiantly a realist.

Thanks for the kind words. I've been called a whole lot worse around here

From the complete lashing you just gave me (and yes, my butthole still hurts ) (lol)

Didn't mean for it to be a "lashing". I guess I'm just someone who has never minced my words. We Boston guys have a propensity for being a bit direct and VERY blunt I am admittedly biased when it comes to Perry, but it's certainly not because of any kooky loyalty I have to the guy. I simply think he has the greatest voice I've ever heard in a rock band, and I think the guys who have tried to imitate him have fallen short, in their quest. The first time I ever heard the guy's voice, I was in complete awe, because I couldn't believe that ANY guy on the planet could possibly hit the notes he hit, with such clarity!

With that said, I still stick to my word. I never grew up with Perry, I've never seen concerts when they were the juggernauts of the music biz..but at the same time know the value of legendary they were/are.

I don't think there is any question that the people who didn't grow up with this music don't feel the same connection to it, and I certainly understand that. That said, I'm just someone who can't believe ANYONE (Althtough JoePa staunchly believes it) who is honest, can watch Perry's rendition of these songs (and pick any song) and watch one of his replacements' rendition (and pick any replacement) of the same song and come away thinking Perry's version isn't soooooo far superior. For me, it's not even close. It's sort of like the minor league versus the major league. And that is no disrespect to Augeri, Jeff, Deen, or Arnel. They're all very good singers, and I would be thrilled if I had half the talent that any of the four possesses! They're simply not in the same league as Perry was, in his prime, and there is certainly no shame in that!

So how you view the band today is a lot different than I view it, no question. That's the beauty of the first amendment.

I agree with you 100% on this point. I'm guessing with the "Young" in your name that I might have a few years, or even a few decades (that's frightening to even admit to) on you. I have a 25 year old nephew and several nieces in their 20's, and don't usually agree with them on many issues, and it's all okay. This would be a VERY boring world if we were all wired exactly the same!

What I was trying to say is that on some you tube clips, and they were later in Perrys career where you said he sounded shredded

Actually, what I was referring to was when Perry toured solo, away from Journey. I believe it was to promote "For The Love of Strange Medicine". I had some MP3's from back in the day where it honestly didn't sound like the same guy. To be fair to Perry, MP3's and YouTube videos are usually VERY poor quality, so not always an accurate reflection of what is really happening. Having said that, I'm on record as someone who has always believed that Perry simply couldn't do it any longer. And by "it", I mean sing at the level he was able to sing at, when fronting Journey. I truly believe this guy was an insane perfectionist, and he knew in his heart, that he just didn't have the ability to hit the notes he had to hit, to sing the Journey catalog. He then did what any smart man, with pride would do...walk away and let your legacy speak for itself! I realize many have criticized Perry for being lazy and not wanting to sing. While this may be an entirely plausible scenario, I think that based on some recordings I heard, that he simply couldn't do it any longer. The one thing I'll say for Perry is that he has ALWAYS respected the hell out of the name Journey and the catalog of music that these guys created together! For that reason, I'll always have the utmost respect for the man.

I understand I will get buried, it is fine. It's still my opinion though.

No burying here my friend. It's a message board. My opinion is no more or no less valid than yours. You are ALWAYS entitled to your opinion here. That's the beauty of this website. Andrew allows everyone to openly express their opinions, and agree to disagree.

During the GH LIVE CD, on some points, Perry actualy annoys me.

Well, as I've already alluded to, I don't think ANY singer who I have ever listened to was half as consistent as Perry was, when singing live. Here's my free advice to you...if his voice is truly "annoying" you...you should probably stop listening to that at work "everyday"!

Gotta love him, he's JOURNEY and why we are debating shit here.

See that...even we old dudes can find common ground with the "Young" Journey crowd! I have ZERO doubt (in spite of what some of the Perry detractors say) that if Perry wasn't brought into Journey, there would be no "official" website for Journey, because Neal would have had to have found a real job. I can also guarantee you that Andrew wouldn't have a "Journey" page on Melodic Rock, if Steve Perry had kept picking up chicken poop! There is NOTHING that ANYONE can EVER say to convince me otherwise!

Everyone must understand if you want the magic of the 80's, you will sadly be mistaken, and will forever be disgusted. It MUST be let go.

This is where you're mistaken. Nothing has to be "let go". The beauty behind much of Journey's catalog is that so many of their songs have relevant lyrics, even in 2008. Many of their songs are timeless, and simply don't have space or time attached to their lyrics. Please understand that I am in NO way stuck in the 80's, and I also have no desire to bring them back, but that doesn't mean that I stop appreciating what was, while remaining cognizant of what will never be again!

This is a clip of BGTY. For me, I don't like the performance, and think his voice sounds shredded, no doubt.

A couple of points. First and foremost, I'm the wrong guy to even discuss BGTY, because I've always thought the song sucked! As for Perry's performance...There isn't a guy on the planet who doesn't have a shitty performance, from time to time. I can tell you this...I have days at work, where I flat out suck, and musicians are no different, while working at their craft! As for the Raised On Radio album that so many Journey fans openly bash...I thought there was some really good stuff on there. I thought "I'll Be Alright Without You" was a classic Journey track, and "Why Can't This Night Go On Forever" is every bit as good as "Faithfully" (and that's high praise coming from me, because Faithfully is a flawless song, on sooo many levels)! I would say to any Journey fan who really believes that Perry's voice was shot on ROR to listen to the end of "Why Can't This Night Go On Forever". A guy who has a "shot" voice simply cannot hit the notes Perry hit in that song, period, end of story!

As for Arnel, give the guy a break.

I absolutely did give the guy a break. Hell, I said it was the absolute best version of "Faithfully" I've seen, since Perry sang the song! I thought Arnel had some really good moments, but to say the guy was "great" is a bit disingenous, because he simply wasn't. I realize it was the guy's first performance with the band, and that his nerves were probably VERY on edge, but it doesn't change the fact that he forgot lyrics, and crumbled, while attemtping to hit some high notes. I still think he will improve, TREMENDOUSLY. I'm also on record as saying that I truly believe he has a voice that is MUCH more suited to the Journey catalog than Jeff or Augeri!

He did a great job and it's sad he or anyone else has to be compared this way.

I have to tell you...the comparison thing will NEVER go away! As long as Journey continues to tour, there will ALWAYS be comparisons to Steve Perry! I realize that some people don't think this is "fair", but it is reality! It's really not any different than ANY band who makes the decision to change the lead singer. It's one thing to change a guitarist or drummer. The truth is that most fans don't even notice when a non-singer is replaced in a band. When you change the voice that EVERYONE knows, there aren't going to be too many people who don't take notice and make the comparisons!

All I'm saying, is that's my opinion, and I stick by it..and I hope you respect that.

I will ALWAYS respect someone else's opinion, especially when well thought out! Again, I don't come here expecting everyone to agree with my point of view. You should ALWAYS stick to your opinion, and NEVER be afraid to defend your position. As I've always said, those who don't stand for something are destined to fall for anything!


John from Boston

[YoungJRNY]

John, let me just start off my response by saying..that I respect you to a high level. You know your shit there's no denying that one. What I like about you is that your not a big time homer, and you are defiantly a realist.

Thanks for the kind words. I've been called a whole lot worse around here

From the complete lashing you just gave me (and yes, my butthole still hurts ) (lol)

Didn't mean for it to be a "lashing". I guess I'm just someone who has never minced my words. We Boston guys have a propensity for being a bit direct and VERY blunt I am admittedly biased when it comes to Perry, but it's certainly not because of any kooky loyalty I have to the guy. I simply think he has the greatest voice I've ever heard in a rock band, and I think the guys who have tried to imitate him have fallen short, in their quest. The first time I ever heard the guy's voice, I was in complete awe, because I couldn't believe that ANY guy on the planet could possibly hit the notes he hit, with such clarity!

With that said, I still stick to my word. I never grew up with Perry, I've never seen concerts when they were the juggernauts of the music biz..but at the same time know the value of legendary they were/are.

I don't think there is any question that the people who didn't grow up with this music don't feel the same connection to it, and I certainly understand that. That said, I'm just someone who can't believe ANYONE (Althtough JoePa staunchly believes it) who is honest, can watch Perry's rendition of these songs (and pick any song) and watch one of his replacements' rendition (and pick any replacement) of the same song and come away thinking Perry's version isn't soooooo far superior. For me, it's not even close. It's sort of like the minor league versus the major league. And that is no disrespect to Augeri, Jeff, Deen, or Arnel. They're all very good singers, and I would be thrilled if I had half the talent that any of the four possesses! They're simply not in the same league as Perry was, in his prime, and there is certainly no shame in that!

So how you view the band today is a lot different than I view it, no question. That's the beauty of the first amendment.

I agree with you 100% on this point. I'm guessing with the "Young" in your name that I might have a few years, or even a few decades (that's frightening to even admit to) on you. I have a 25 year old nephew and several nieces in their 20's, and don't usually agree with them on many issues, and it's all okay. This would be a VERY boring world if we were all wired exactly the same!

What I was trying to say is that on some you tube clips, and they were later in Perrys career where you said he sounded shredded

Actually, what I was referring to was when Perry toured solo, away from Journey. I believe it was to promote "For The Love of Strange Medicine". I had some MP3's from back in the day where it honestly didn't sound like the same guy. To be fair to Perry, MP3's and YouTube videos are usually VERY poor quality, so not always an accurate reflection of what is really happening. Having said that, I'm on record as someone who has always believed that Perry simply couldn't do it any longer. And by "it", I mean sing at the level he was able to sing at, when fronting Journey. I truly believe this guy was an insane perfectionist, and he knew in his heart, that he just didn't have the ability to hit the notes he had to hit, to sing the Journey catalog. He then did what any smart man, with pride would do...walk away and let your legacy speak for itself! I realize many have criticized Perry for being lazy and not wanting to sing. While this may be an entirely plausible scenario, I think that based on some recordings I heard, that he simply couldn't do it any longer. The one thing I'll say for Perry is that he has ALWAYS respected the hell out of the name Journey and the catalog of music that these guys created together! For that reason, I'll always have the utmost respect for the man.

I understand I will get buried, it is fine. It's still my opinion though.

No burying here my friend. It's a message board. My opinion is no more or no less valid than yours. You are ALWAYS entitled to your opinion here. That's the beauty of this website. Andrew allows everyone to openly express their opinions, and agree to disagree.

During the GH LIVE CD, on some points, Perry actualy annoys me.

Well, as I've already alluded to, I don't think ANY singer who I have ever listened to was half as consistent as Perry was, when singing live. Here's my free advice to you...if his voice is truly "annoying" you...you should probably stop listening to that at work "everyday"!

Gotta love him, he's JOURNEY and why we are debating shit here.

See that...even we old dudes can find common ground with the "Young" Journey crowd! I have ZERO doubt (in spite of what some of the Perry detractors say) that if Perry wasn't brought into Journey, there would be no "official" website for Journey, because Neal would have had to have found a real job. I can also guarantee you that Andrew wouldn't have a "Journey" page on Melodic Rock, if Steve Perry had kept picking up chicken poop! There is NOTHING that ANYONE can EVER say to convince me otherwise!

Everyone must understand if you want the magic of the 80's, you will sadly be mistaken, and will forever be disgusted. It MUST be let go.

This is where you're mistaken. Nothing has to be "let go". The beauty behind much of Journey's catalog is that so many of their songs have relevant lyrics, even in 2008. Many of their songs are timeless, and simply don't have space or time attached to their lyrics. Please understand that I am in NO way stuck in the 80's, and I also have no desire to bring them back, but that doesn't mean that I stop appreciating what was, while remaining cognizant of what will never be again!

This is a clip of BGTY. For me, I don't like the performance, and think his voice sounds shredded, no doubt.

A couple of points. First and foremost, I'm the wrong guy to even discuss BGTY, because I've always thought the song sucked! As for Perry's performance...There isn't a guy on the planet who doesn't have a shitty performance, from time to time. I can tell you this...I have days at work, where I flat out suck, and musicians are no different, while working at their craft! As for the Raised On Radio album that so many Journey fans openly bash...I thought there was some really good stuff on there. I thought "I'll Be Alright Without You" was a classic Journey track, and "Why Can't This Night Go On Forever" is every bit as good as "Faithfully" (and that's high praise coming from me, because Faithfully is a flawless song, on sooo many levels)! I would say to any Journey fan who really believes that Perry's voice was shot on ROR to listen to the end of "Why Can't This Night Go On Forever". A guy who has a "shot" voice simply cannot hit the notes Perry hit in that song, period, end of story!

As for Arnel, give the guy a break.

I absolutely did give the guy a break. Hell, I said it was the absolute best version of "Faithfully" I've seen, since Perry sang the song! I thought Arnel had some really good moments, but to say the guy was "great" is a bit disingenous, because he simply wasn't. I realize it was the guy's first performance with the band, and that his nerves were probably VERY on edge, but it doesn't change the fact that he forgot lyrics, and crumbled, while attemtping to hit some high notes. I still think he will improve, TREMENDOUSLY. I'm also on record as saying that I truly believe he has a voice that is MUCH more suited to the Journey catalog than Jeff or Augeri!

He did a great job and it's sad he or anyone else has to be compared this way.

I have to tell you...the comparison this will NEVER go away! As long as Journey continues to tour, there will ALWAYS be comparisons to Steve Perry! I realize that some people don't think this is "fair", but it is reality! It's really not any different than ANY band who makes the decision to change the lead singer. It's one thing to change a guitarist or drummer. The truth is that most fans don't even notice when a non-singer is replaced in a band. When you change the voice that EVERYONE knows, there aren't going to be too many people who don't take notice and make the comparisons!

All I'm saying, is that's my opinion, and I stick by it..and I hope you respect that.

I will ALWAYS respect someone else's opinion, especially when well thought out! Again, I don't come here expecting everyone to agree with my point of view. You should ALWAYS stick to your opinion, and NEVER be afraid to defend your position. As I've always said, those who don't stand for something are destined to fall for anything!


John from Boston

AMEN. I'm glad we see eye to eye even with the differences. With that said, CHEERS Bro

[texafana]

Not impressed at all. Maybe Arnel will improve, but it wasn't good enough to pull me back into the Journey fold. Sorry guys.

wtf? It takes 7 guys (in your Frontiers pic) to cover Journey?

I have no idea what your post means, but whatever.

You changed the picture, but you had a picture of the cover band "Frontiers" that had 7 band members in it! That's 2 more than Journey has, I was just wondering why it takes so many band members to cover Journey?