Which Band Has More Drama - Journey or Van Halen?

[ProgRocker53]

Hahaha don't forget Larrie Londin and Bob Glaub for Journey, and Gary Cherone for VH.

Larrie Londin was just a studio guy, right? I don't remember anything about Bob Glaub but I did add Cherone to that list.

Yeah, Londin and Glaub were both just studio guys for the ROR sessions.

[JrnySuxBalls]

Journey has fans that actually care and give a shit. Journey fan has soul.passion and character. Even if we don't ever agree, we all share a common goal and steel....we all care and we all give a damn.

Yeah, but at least most fans walking into a VH concert know who the hell is singing on a given night.

VH has had three different lead singers over the years, so it's not like they've been all that stable in that department, either, you know?

That wasn't the point. Poll a Jrny audience at a concert, who's the singer? Read the original quote. That's all I'm sayin'.

[Red13JoePa]

Ya like Journey, JrnySuxBalls?

It's not clear, your name's to cryptic

[JrnySuxBalls]

Yeah, well I used to before the JSS firing by proxy.

[Melissa]

I know who Mitch Malloy is but had no clue he was a VH singer at one point, when was that & for how long?

[Moose]

Arnel still sucks.

[youkeepmewaiting]

Arnel still sucks.

Frankly im too tired to start ranting about this ignorant comment.

[texafana]

Yeah, well I used to before the JSS firing by proxy.

Frankly im too tired to start ranting about this comment.

[JrnySuxBalls]

Frankly, it's my opinion and I'm entitled to it. I don't agree with the passive/aggressive way they fired Jeff, and I smell a ballad heavy direction which is of no interest to me. Being turned off by Frigga in a sport coat, and sleepy songs is not ignorance. I just don't like it. If you dig it, knock yourselves out.

[AlienC]

Journey's history since '96 is a cacophany of lame excuses, bad business decisions, and back-stabbing. More along the soap opera type of plot line.

Van Halen's last ten years are more of a Machiavellian / Shakespearean tragedy along the lines of Othello. The only thing missing is somone's tragic demise.

I voted for VH.

Nice! I concur.

[ProgRocker53]

Arnel still sucks.

Arnel's no Steve Perry, but he doesn't suck at all.

That's not just an opinion, that's just... dumb.

[Rick]

Arnel still sucks.

Arnel's no Steve Perry, but he doesn't suck at all.

That's not just an opinion, that's just... dumb.

While I agree that Moose is completely wrong about Arnel, I ask that you go easy on him. He's a Philadelphia Eagles fan, and that alone is enough heartache for any one person to have to endure for a lifetime.

[ProgRocker53]

Arnel still sucks.

Arnel's no Steve Perry, but he doesn't suck at all.

That's not just an opinion, that's just... dumb.

While I agree that Moose is completely wrong about Arnel, I ask that you go easy on him. He's a Philadelphia Eagles fan, and that alone is enough heartache for any one person to have to endure for a lifetime.

I feel his pain.

....I'm a Cincinnati Bengals fan.

[Arkansas]

Once saw some documentary that named Fleetwood Mac as the biggest soap opera in rock-n-roll. They all screwed each other (literally) pretty darned good.


later~

[larryfromnextdoor]

"that's just... dumb."

good quote from the master...

[Moose]

Arnel still sucks.

Frankly im too tired to start ranting about this ignorant comment.

You will certainly get over it. If I am not in love with listening to Arnel strain to hit notes, I will call it as I see it.

[Moose]

Yeah, well I used to before the JSS firing by proxy.

Frankly im too tired to start ranting about this comment.

You will have to get over it as well.

[Moose]

Frankly, it's my opinion and I'm entitled to it. I don't agree with the passive/aggressive way they fired Jeff, and I smell a ballad heavy direction which is of no interest to me. Being turned off by Frigga in a sport coat, and sleepy songs is not ignorance. I just don't like it. If you dig it, knock yourselves out.

Word

[Moose]

Arnel still sucks.

Arnel's no Steve Perry, but he doesn't suck at all.

That's not just an opinion, that's just... dumb.

Dumb? We are talking about a fucking singer. One who is clearly overmatched with the hand he has been dealt. If you don't agree, that doesn't make my remark dumb.

[Moose]

Arnel still sucks.

Arnel's no Steve Perry, but he doesn't suck at all.

That's not just an opinion, that's just... dumb.

While I agree that Moose is completely wrong about Arnel, I ask that you go easy on him. He's a Philadelphia Eagles fan, and that alone is enough heartache for any one person to have to endure for a lifetime.

Romo sucks too.

[Moose]

Arnel still sucks.

Arnel's no Steve Perry, but he doesn't suck at all.

That's not just an opinion, that's just... dumb.

While I agree that Moose is completely wrong about Arnel, I ask that you go easy on him. He's a Philadelphia Eagles fan, and that alone is enough heartache for any one person to have to endure for a lifetime.

I feel his pain.

....I'm a Cincinnati Bengals fan.

Bengals...at least we have the same amount of Super Bowl losses.

[ProgRocker53]

Arnel still sucks.

Arnel's no Steve Perry, but he doesn't suck at all.

That's not just an opinion, that's just... dumb.

Dumb? We are talking about a fucking singer. One who is clearly overmatched with the hand he has been dealt. If you don't agree, that doesn't make my remark dumb.

It's ridiculous to say Arnel "sucks" when he's superior to 75% of the rock singers on the planet. Why else would he be fronting Journey?

Saying he's not a good fit for Journey, fine, saying you don't like his voice, dandy, but saying that he sucks? C'mon man.

[ProgRocker53]

Arnel still sucks.

Arnel's no Steve Perry, but he doesn't suck at all.

That's not just an opinion, that's just... dumb.

While I agree that Moose is completely wrong about Arnel, I ask that you go easy on him. He's a Philadelphia Eagles fan, and that alone is enough heartache for any one person to have to endure for a lifetime.

I feel his pain.

....I'm a Cincinnati Bengals fan.

Bengals...at least we have the same amount of Super Bowl losses.

Imagine a Bengals vs. Eagles Super Bowl. Woo baby, that'd be something.

[Saint John]

No way VH.

Journey has fans that actually care and give a shit. Journey fan has soul.passion and character. Even if we don't ever agree, we all share a common goal and steel....we all care and we all give a damn.

Seriously folks, there are factions within the factions....I see it as plain as day. This band has touched lives far deeper than Van Halen could ever do. Maybe it's the music? maybe it's the words? Maybe it' the emotion from Perry, or Neal? This band for all it's troubles, still touches us all. Yes, even Andrew, even the dissenters, even me, even Jeff Scott Soto.

Somethin' special about Journey.

Journey has something that VH and other's don't.


It's infectious.

I am proud to be a Journey fan. Not proud of everything they have done, but damn, there is some magic......

Well said...fag. Seriously, that about summed it up.

[Moose]

Arnel still sucks.

Arnel's no Steve Perry, but he doesn't suck at all.

That's not just an opinion, that's just... dumb.

Dumb? We are talking about a fucking singer. One who is clearly overmatched with the hand he has been dealt. If you don't agree, that doesn't make my remark dumb.

It's ridiculous to say Arnel "sucks" when he's superior to 75% of the rock singers on the planet. Why else would he be fronting Journey?

Saying he's not a good fit for Journey, fine, saying you don't like his voice, dandy, but saying that he sucks? C'mon man.

Sorry no offense, but the more I listen to that Chile concert, I feel he sucks. I am as open minded as anyone on this topic. I won't back down because my opinion might be in the minority.

[lowdbrent]

Having close encounters with the fan base from both bands - JOURNEY wins!

No way! At least Journey's musicians are professional enough not to push amp cabinets over on each other during a show... haha! And Eddie's alcholism... nothing close to that in Journey, or nothing that is known anyway.

Come on. Journey is no stranger to addictions of many sorts.

I would point to hundreds of shows by legacy artists where guitars were trashed, amps were trashed, members were trashed. Eddie is deaf it seems and it is frustrating him. Check out how he has moved from his side of the stage to be in front of the drums and next to the bass. He is obviously trying to stay in the groove. As far as pushing over amps....who cares? They are his. Let him.

[Trailblazer]

Having close encounters with the fan base from both bands - JOURNEY wins!

No way! At least Journey's musicians are professional enough not to push amp cabinets over on each other during a show... haha! And Eddie's alcholism... nothing close to that in Journey, or nothing that is known anyway.

Come on. Journey is no stranger to addictions of many sorts.

I would point to hundreds of shows by legacy artists where guitars were trashed, amps were trashed, members were trashed. Eddie is deaf it seems and it is frustrating him. Check out how he has moved from his side of the stage to be in front of the drums and next to the bass. He is obviously trying to stay in the groove. As far as pushing over amps....who cares? They are his. Let him.

Maybe I'm missing something here. If Ed's hearing is that bad, why weren't measures taken BEFORE the tour started? Just curious!

[nolippin]

Good question. Aren't hearing aids sophisticated enough to resolve much of the hearing issues????

Having close encounters with the fan base from both bands - JOURNEY wins!

No way! At least Journey's musicians are professional enough not to push amp cabinets over on each other during a show... haha! And Eddie's alcholism... nothing close to that in Journey, or nothing that is known anyway.

Come on. Journey is no stranger to addictions of many sorts.

I would point to hundreds of shows by legacy artists where guitars were trashed, amps were trashed, members were trashed. Eddie is deaf it seems and it is frustrating him. Check out how he has moved from his side of the stage to be in front of the drums and next to the bass. He is obviously trying to stay in the groove. As far as pushing over amps....who cares? They are his. Let him.

Maybe I'm missing something here. If Ed's hearing is that bad, why weren't measures taken BEFORE the tour started? Just curious!

[Rick]

Good question. Aren't hearing aids sophisticated enough to resolve much of the hearing issues????

Having close encounters with the fan base from both bands - JOURNEY wins!

No way! At least Journey's musicians are professional enough not to push amp cabinets over on each other during a show... haha! And Eddie's alcholism... nothing close to that in Journey, or nothing that is known anyway.

Come on. Journey is no stranger to addictions of many sorts.

I would point to hundreds of shows by legacy artists where guitars were trashed, amps were trashed, members were trashed. Eddie is deaf it seems and it is frustrating him. Check out how he has moved from his side of the stage to be in front of the drums and next to the bass. He is obviously trying to stay in the groove. As far as pushing over amps....who cares? They are his. Let him.

Maybe I'm missing something here. If Ed's hearing is that bad, why weren't measures taken BEFORE the tour started? Just curious!

I think in-ear monitors are good enough to overcome most hearing loss, unless you're absolutely tone deaf.

[lowdbrent]

Having close encounters with the fan base from both bands - JOURNEY wins!

No way! At least Journey's musicians are professional enough not to push amp cabinets over on each other during a show... haha! And Eddie's alcholism... nothing close to that in Journey, or nothing that is known anyway.

Come on. Journey is no stranger to addictions of many sorts.

I would point to hundreds of shows by legacy artists where guitars were trashed, amps were trashed, members were trashed. Eddie is deaf it seems and it is frustrating him. Check out how he has moved from his side of the stage to be in front of the drums and next to the bass. He is obviously trying to stay in the groove. As far as pushing over amps....who cares? They are his. Let him.

Maybe I'm missing something here. If Ed's hearing is that bad, why weren't measures taken BEFORE the tour started? Just curious!

There are a few things that come into play. I know about these as my brother is a doctor/audiologist. People are more likely to admit that they do not see as well as they used to. They will get glasses or contacts. People are NOT as open to admitting that they have a hearing problem, and are even less likely to get hearing instruments. It is a stigma. It is a sign of old age and obsolesence. Right or wrong, ask any audiologist, they will verify that.

So we have a mindset and stubborness that the majority of vein humans exhibit. Add the guitar hero factor. Add the FACT that no engineer from the contracted sound company has had the balls to stand up to the almighty Van Halen and tell them that "this is the way it is, and this is how it's going to be." They would lose the gig. Even if they had the balls, it would fall on deaf ears. No pun intended.

Ed recognized his issue and adapted during the tour. This is common. When I used to mix FOH for Junior Brown, I went through this. His hearing was my fault. It was my job to solve it. Until the artists take a dosage of reality, common sense and medical attention, the artists is going to continue to self diagnose and incorrectly apply "fixes" that will leave the artist even more frustrated than before. Ed has enough money and access to medical people that he will likely try to do the right thing and save his hearing by immediate SPL exposure management. That means, get off of the stage that has decibel levels exceeding the threshold of pain.