OT: Vermont Town Votes to Impeach Bush

[The_Noble_Cause]

So much for freedom of speech, huh? Yeah, I know. That's something that liberals aren't all that enthralled with, either.

No, it's called Federalism. Their state, their money.
As far as "freedom of speech" is concerned, restoring the Fairness Doctrine would be a great start.

Uncheck. I support the fair tax, which would apply the SAME tax to EVERYONE, regardless of financial status

You may prefer the fair tax, but to say you haven't been on this board cheerleading a continuation of Bush's tax cuts is absolutely laughable.

Actually, that'd be a great way to stimulate the economy there in Michigan. Tax cuts work, especially when coupled with reduced spending. For instance, Ireland is currently experiencing a major economic upturn, due mostly to large tax cuts.

Taxes were cut = good thing.

My family has benefitted from his tax cuts and we're not close to a six-figure income, so we're not in that class of rich people that the liberals so love to equate with Bush's fiscal policy.

Despite that, the economy is on a roll due to his tax cuts, in my opinion.

I'm firmly ensconched in the middle class and my tax rate definitely went down with the Bush tax cuts, not to mention a nice little tax rebate we got in the mail that year. Boy, that was really a bad thing.

Tax cuts almost always result in increased revenues to the federal government. The reason we may be heading into a recession is because we continue to overspend in ALL areas of government

What a surprise.
Someone can take the liberty of calling you on your other bullshit. I won't make the same mistake again.

[RossValoryRocks]

So much for freedom of speech, huh? Yeah, I know. That's something that liberals aren't all that enthralled with, either.

No, it's called Federalism. Their state, their money.
As far as "freedom of speech" is concerned, restoring the Fairness Doctrine would be a great start.

Uncheck. I support the fair tax, which would apply the SAME tax to EVERYONE, regardless of financial status

You may prefer the fair tax, but to say you haven't been on this board cheerleading a continuation of Bush's tax cuts is absolutely laughable.

Actually, that'd be a great way to stimulate the economy there in Michigan. Tax cuts work, especially when coupled with reduced spending. For instance, Ireland is currently experiencing a major economic upturn, due mostly to large tax cuts.

Taxes were cut = good thing.

My family has benefitted from his tax cuts and we're not close to a six-figure income, so we're not in that class of rich people that the liberals so love to equate with Bush's fiscal policy.

Despite that, the economy is on a roll due to his tax cuts, in my opinion.

I'm firmly ensconched in the middle class and my tax rate definitely went down with the Bush tax cuts, not to mention a nice little tax rebate we got in the mail that year. Boy, that was really a bad thing.

Tax cuts almost always result in increased revenues to the federal government. The reason we may be heading into a recession is because we continue to overspend in ALL areas of government

What a surprise.
Someone can take the liberty of calling you on your other bullshit. I won't make the same mistake again.

The Fairness Doctrine is an ATTACK on free speech TNC. Because liberal talk radio can't make it you should FORCE radio stations to give them equal time??

[Voyager]

I think they should take the vote nationwide and remove the bums. If Bill Clinton got impeached for getting a hummer, surely Bush and Cheney should be impeached for murdering thousands of soldiers and hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqi citizens in a war that should never have been waged against a country that posed absolutely no threat to us.

2009 can't get here fast enough.

This shows how stupid you really are. Bill Clinton was impeached for lying before a grand jury. Fucking tool bag. Learn a little about politics or rather law before you open your stupid trap again.

Lying before a grand jury about getting a hummer is nothing compared to murdering hundreds of thousands of people in a stupid maverick cowboy fit of rage. Bush should be hung for his war crimes. Having a low IQ is no excuse for mass murder.

[The_Noble_Cause]

BTW...Voicing one's displeasure against something in no way infers that I believe states should not be able to make their own laws. This is the same kind of garbage thinking that says "Bush lied" but all the libs who trumpeted the same things before the war, and some who did so even more forcefully, i.e. Clinton and Kerry, did not lie but were misled because "Bush lied".

Amazing that when Ron Paul was asked about the Iraq War deception he instantly mentionted reading "Sy Hersh".
If only the other GOP candidates and their butt-jockeys were nearly so well-informed.
If you don't think there was a concerted effort inside the Bush White House to get us into Iraq, you are simply uninformed. Period.

[conversationpc]

No, it's called Federalism. Their state, their money.
As far as "freedom of speech" is concerned, restoring the Fairness Doctrine would be a great start.

Yeah, more restriction of speech. Just what we need. You libs can't win on that playground because no one wants to listen to liberal talk radio, so you have to curb freedoms instead.

You may prefer the fair tax, but to say you haven't been on this board cheerleading a continuation of Bush's tax cuts is absolutely laughable.

Once again...Failure of the liberal synapses in action. I never said I didn't support the Bush tax cuts. I like the Fair Tax better. Please try harder next time.

What a surprise.
Someone can take the liberty of calling you on your other bullshit. I won't make the same mistake again.

Like I said...Please try harder because if this is the best you can come up with, then your "Noble Cause" is seriously dilapidated and in need of repair.

[Rockindeano]

BTW...Voicing one's displeasure against something in no way infers that I believe states should not be able to make their own laws. This is the same kind of garbage thinking that says "Bush lied" but all the libs who trumpeted the same things before the war, and some who did so even more forcefully, i.e. Clinton and Kerry, did not lie but were misled because "Bush lied".

Amazing that when Ron Paul was asked about the Iraq War deception he instantly mentionted reading "Sy Hersh".
If only the other GOP candidates and their butt-jockeys were nearly so well-informed.
If you don't think there was a concerted effort inside the Bush White House to get us into Iraq, you are simply uninformed. Period.

You are a bit off TNC. There was concerted effort in the Bush Ranch with he and Cheney and Rumsfeld/Wolfowitz. This war was planned in 1999.

[The_Noble_Cause]

The Fairness Doctrine is an ATTACK on free speech TNC. Because liberal talk radio can't make it you should FORCE radio stations to give them equal time??

It doesn't mandate equal time. Furthermore, any group can have a right to appeal - not just liberals. I believe it is also left up to the station whether or not to cede the airtime. It's the public airwaves, Stu, not clear channels.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Yeah, more restriction of speech. Just what we need. You libs can't win on that playground because no one wants to listen to liberal talk radio, so you have to curb freedoms instead.

It has nothing to do with that. As usual, you've just taken Beck at his word.

Once again...Failure of the liberal synapses in action. I never said I didn't support the Bush tax cuts. I like the Fair Tax better. Please try harder next time.

So now you DO support a continuation of the Bush status quo. Please make up your mind.

[conversationpc]

It has nothing to do with that. As usual, you've just taken Beck at his word.

I don't think I've heard Beck mention this more than a handful of times. Hannity talks about it all the time...At least he did but I haven't heard nor wanted to listen to this talk show in several months now.

So now you DO support a continuation of the Bush status quo. Please make up your mind.

I've never said that I don't. Please pay attention this time. I'm going to type this slowly so you can understand....

I...support...the...Bush...tax...cuts...BUT...I...would...prefer...something...like...The...Fair...Tax...instead.

[RossValoryRocks]

The Fairness Doctrine is an ATTACK on free speech TNC. Because liberal talk radio can't make it you should FORCE radio stations to give them equal time??

It doesn't mandate equal time. Furthermore, any group can have a right to appeal - not just liberals. I believe it is also left up to the station whether or not to cede the airtime. It's the public airwaves, Stu, not clear channels.

A radio station is business. The fairness doctrine most assuredly madates equal time. Liberal talk radio is non competitive with Conservative Talk radio.

You want them to pass a law that limits free speech...you don't see an issue with that?

[Journey/Survivor]

I think they should take the vote nationwide and remove the bums. If Bill Clinton got impeached for getting a hummer

He didn't get impeached for getting a hummer. He got impeached for LYING TO A GRAND JURY.

Roger Clemens lied to a grand jury, and there's talk that Bush and the other Republicans will pardon him if he's found guilty.

[The_Noble_Cause]

I don't think I've heard Beck mention this more than a handful of times. Hannity talks about it all the time...At least he did but I haven't heard nor wanted to listen to this talk show in several months now.

Two liars who know exactly where their bread is buttered - on keeping Americans in the dark and covered in shit for as long as humanly possible.
If I was a political radio host who actually believed in what I was saying and could defend it, not only would I not fear the doctrine, I would welcome it.

I've never said that I don't.

So just what are you trying to prove again?
You admittedly support a continuation of the Bush tax cuts - which is exactly what I said to begin with.

[The_Noble_Cause]

A radio station is business. The fairness doctrine most assuredly madates equal time. Liberal talk radio is non competitive with Conservative Talk radio.

You want them to pass a law that limits free speech...you don't see an issue with that?

Whether you're aware of it or not, free speech in radio is limited right now. And has been ever since Clinton signed the Telecomm Act of 96 into law and Clear Channel went from owning under 50 radio stations to owning more than 1,200.

The Doctrine does not mandate equal time or even 50/50 programming content and never has.

[Voyager]

Lewis Libby is a convicted liar and perjurer who revealed the identity of a CIA agent, and Bush pardoned him.

George Bush lied to the American people and Congress, and based on those lies he started a war that killed hundreds of thousands of innocent people.

Clinton lied about getting a hummer that didn't hurt anyone.

Which of these lies is worse than the others?

[RossValoryRocks]

Lewis Libby is a convicted liar and perjurer who revealed the identity of a CIA agent, and Bush pardoned him.

George Bush lied to the American people and Congress, and based on those lies he started a war that killed hundreds of thousands of innocent people.

Clinton lied about getting a hummer that didn't hurt anyone.

Which of these lies is worse than the others?

Libby didn't reaveal shit...go back and reread the facts...it was Richard Armitage...Libby was found guilty of lying about it...ok...but didn't pardon him either...he commuted his jail sentence...big difference...you don't want to get into the pardon game...Clinton did far worse.

Congress had the same intel as the President. By your reasoning Hillary then lied to the American people too...so did Kerry...and a bunch of other democrat senators and congressmen and congresswomen. Senator Obama is the only presidential candidate that can say he opposed the war from the beginning.

Better go read read ALL the things about the war because you are either misinformed or willfully distorting the facts. Now if you want to criticize the handing of the war by the President and his advisors then I will happily join in.

Millions of people are now free...yes lots of people died...go check the stats from WWII, just the Eurpean theater. FAR FAR worse...on both sides.

[Rockindeano]

You're warped.

So fuckin warped.

I can't wait til your party gets assreamed. it's coming and you all deserve it.

[Arkansas]

Hang 'em high!

Forget about being civil.
Forget about being politically correct.
Forget about justice...just let the lynch mob run riot!

Just f'ing whack everyone with whom you don't agree!
Anarchy is the ONLY way, no?

later~

[RossValoryRocks]

You're warped.

So fuckin warped.

I can't wait til your party gets assreamed. it's coming and you all deserve it.

Ok...whatever Dean. I am a registered conservative independent.

OH an remember they said the same thing in 2004 how Kerry was gonna paste Bush.

As least Bush managed to do something your precious Bill couldn't do...get over 50% of the vote.

Bill Clinton NEVER got more than 1/2 the country. In 1992...a majority of people didn't want Clinton as president as was evidenced by his 43% total vote #'s.

I am still voting for Obama...I still think he will be the nominee on the Democratic side. And you are right...the people in this country will get exactly what they asked for.

[Rockindeano]

You're warped.

So fuckin warped.

I can't wait til your party gets assreamed. it's coming and you all deserve it.

Ok...whatever Dean. I am a registered conservative independent.

OH an remember they said the same thing in 2004 how Kerry was gonna paste Bush.

As least Bush managed to do something your precious Bill couldn't do...get over 50% of the vote.

Bill Clinton NEVER got more than 1/2 the country. In 1992...a majority of people didn't want Clinton as president as was evidenced by his 43% total vote #'s.

I am still voting for Obama...I still think he will be the nominee on the Democratic side. And you are right...the people in this country will get exactly what they asked for.

I like how you omitted the fact Clinton ran against TWO candidates. Dumbass.

Kerry was a buffoon but Ohio was rigged. Gore had Florida stolen. Boy, you make great choices on who you align yourself with. Just the classiest of folk.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Congress had the same intel as the President.

Pattently false.

First off, the President does not share his daily brief with the Congress.
Secondly, by now it has been BEYOND meticulously documented that the Congressional National Intelligence Estimate on Iraq did not contain the caveats, qualifiers and dissenting opinions by intelligence analysts contained in the White House version.
And this is completely ommiting Douglas Feith and the Office for Special Plans wherein much of the intelligence was revealed to have been cooked.

And yet you have the temerity to ask me WHY the Fairness Doctrine needs to be re-instated?

[conversationpc]

Pattently false.

First off, the President does not share his daily brief with the Congress.
Secondly, by now it has been BEYOND meticulously documented that the Congressional National Intelligence Estimate on Iraq did not contain the caveats, qualifiers and dissenting opinions by intelligence analysts contained in the White House version.
And this is completely ommiting Douglas Feith and the Office for Special Plans wherein much of the intelligence was revealed to have been cooked.

This article is a little over two years old and I don't agree with the entire thing but it makes the case that neither side is telling the FULL truth in this debate.

[CatEyes]

"I realize it's an extreme thing to do, and really silly in a way," said Robert George, 74, a retired photographer. "But I'm really angry about us getting involved in the war in Iraq and him (Bush) disrespecting the will of the people."

I got a kick out of this comment, considering approximately 70% of "the people" were for the war when it began.

and 90% of statistical statements are made up on the spot!!!

[ohsherrie]

Ditto everything TNC said.

[tj]

Quoting that great American, Rodney King, "Can't we all just get along?"

[Rockindeano]

Stu is a bit short on political issues and definitive matters.

It's not all as plain has he would like you to see it.


TNC, where the fuck did you find out that shit? Nice work fuckhead.

[Rockindeano]

"I realize it's an extreme thing to do, and really silly in a way," said Robert George, 74, a retired photographer. "But I'm really angry about us getting involved in the war in Iraq and him (Bush) disrespecting the will of the people."

I got a kick out of this comment, considering approximately 70% of "the people" were for the war when it began.

and 90% of statistical statements are made up on the spot!!!

Americans' Support for War on the Rise

April 7, 2003

The latest Washington Post-ABC News Poll shows that 77 percent of Americans say they support the decision to go to war,


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Poll: 70 Percent Back War Decision

March 21, 2003

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Here's a link to those with all kinds of info you libs can't refute ..

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/polls/vault/vault.htm

LOL, yeah douche, the electorate THOUGHT there would be a plan, a fucking plan, to not only execute this bullshit, but an exit plan! They didn't think Dumb and Dumber were running this War!!

[conversationpc]

And yet you have the temerity to ask me WHY the Fairness Doctrine needs to be re-instated?

It's not the government's responsibility to make sure talk radio and the news are accurate. If the people don't do their homework and then go elsewhere when they are given bad information then that is their responsibility.

[Blueskies]

And yet you have the temerity to ask me WHY the Fairness Doctrine needs to be re-instated?

It's not the government's responsibility to make sure talk radio and the news are accurate. If the people don't do their homework and then go elsewhere when they are given bad information then that is their responsibility.

Thats a sad reality that we have to search .. "do our homework" and become detectives and still have to question what we find. We should be able to get the truth from the start and not have to look for it.....and the reality is most don't look for it and just listen, believe and go with all the soundbytes. I don't want the government and other powers that be spoon feeding what they want us to hear either...they do that now and always have so we need to hold their feet to the fire as well as the media for integrity and accuracy....in a right world the onus should be on them. Yes, sad thing when "fairness" has to be indoctrinated, but the reality now is, it does.

[ohsherrie]

I don't want the government and other powers that be spoon feeding what they want us to hear either...they do that now and always have so we need to hold their feet to the fire as well as the media for integrity and accuracy....in a right world the onus should be on them. Yes, sad thing when "fairness" has to be indoctrinated, but the reality now is, it does.

A perfect example: http://abcnews.go.com/Business/story?id=3625465

Dan Rather Sues CBS for $70 Million
The Former News Anchorman Claims CBS Made Him 'a Scapegoat'

The suit, filed in State Supreme Court in Manhattan, claims that CBS and its executives made Rather "a scapegoat" in an attempt "to pacify the White House."

Rather says in his suit that Redstone made it clear that a Bush victory would be good for Viacom and that it was "important to Vicacom to have good relations with the Oval Office."


He was talking about this on the View yesterday. He said that the huge corporations that own the networks are more interested in garnering favor, and therefore favors, from the administration than reporting the truth.

[conversationpc]

A perfect example: http://abcnews.go.com/Business/story?id=3625465

Dan Rather Sues CBS for $70 Million
The Former News Anchorman Claims CBS Made Him 'a Scapegoat'

The suit, filed in State Supreme Court in Manhattan, claims that CBS and its executives made Rather "a scapegoat" in an attempt "to pacify the White House."

Rather says in his suit that Redstone made it clear that a Bush victory would be good for Viacom and that it was "important to Vicacom to have good relations with the Oval Office."


He was talking about this on the View yesterday. He said that the huge corporations that own the networks are more interested in garnering favor, and therefore favors, from the administration than reporting the truth.

Rather has a long history of hatred against the Bush family. He was made the "scapegoat" because, in this case, he has four legs, hoofs, fur, and a billy goat beard.