OT: Impeach Vermont

[conversationpc]

Every time Bush brought up 9/11 in his speeches defending this Iraq fiasco he was linking them.

After 9-11...we need to be proactive.

We can't just go bombing people because of what they MIGHT do. You can't do that. Iraq was NOT a threat to the US at any time.

Ironically, Iraq was NEVER a threat to us, but now is a much more complex animal and is much more dangerous to us and the entire world.

Congratulations republicans, you have fucked up the entire world.

So wait...Bill Clinton was wrong then??? Hillary, Kerry et al, we all off their rockers too? Or do you only attack people you disagree philosophically with?

Also, keep in mind that Bill Clinton had some pretty strong things to say about stopping Hussein and WMDs in Iraq prior to Bush being elected, so it's not like Bush cooked this stuff up all on his own. If you're going to blame Bush for the "lie" about WMDs, then let's also give Clinton a bit of credit for it also, shall we?

[Rockindeano]

Um, no... It was after our own investigators were saying we didn't have them.
By the way, without "libs" you'd still have slavery dude.

Nevermind

[RossValoryRocks]

If you think for one second that Hussien would't have given WMD's to terrorist you are nuts. He would have done it in a heartbeat.

Which WMD's are you referring to - the ones that we never found?

He said he had them...if you read the first post in this thread, even your precious Bill Clinton and Democratic senators said he had them.

British, German, French and Russian intelligence at the time said he had them.

It was only AFTER the fact that all you libs started crying foul.

You act as if you are degrading the opposing view by calling us "Libs." I would much rather be called a thinking Liberal that a dumbshit Conservative.

Dean Dean Dean...It has already been established that I am better educated, informed and connected than you are or could ever hope to be big guy. I think all the time. Usually before opening my yap, admittedly not always, but maybe you should try it too?

All you do is parrot what ever posted on some Soros sponsored blog and all it comes down to is that "Bush and the Republicans are evil".

I actually LOOK at what is going on, and weigh all options, you just spew Democratic talking points that have twisted meaning.

Give it up Dean, you say you THINK then prove it. Admit what even Bill Clinton knew, by the BEST INTELLIGENCE AT THE TIME Iraq posed a credible threat to our security.

OR is Billie-Boy lying too?

[RossValoryRocks]

If you think for one second that Hussien would't have given WMD's to terrorist you are nuts. He would have done it in a heartbeat.

Which WMD's are you referring to - the ones that we never found?

He said he had them...if you read the first post in this thread, even your precious Bill Clinton and Democratic senators said he had them.

British, German, French and Russian intelligence at the time said he had them.

It was only AFTER the fact that all you libs started crying foul.

Um, no... It was after our own investigators were saying we didn't have them.
By the way, without "libs" you'd still have slavery dude.

HAHAHA! That is a completely assinine statement. Abraham Lincoln was a lib huh? Moron. You don't even know your the history of the country you live in!

[Rockindeano]

Dean Dean Dean...It has already been established that I am better educated, informed and connected than you are or could ever hope to be big guy.

You have got to be joking. Dude, I would love to see your scholastic resume. You aren't even close.

Better educated? no.

Better informed? Um, watching Fixed Noise is NOT being informed.

Better connected? Why, because you fought in the Marines?

[RossValoryRocks]

Dean Dean Dean...It has already been established that I am better educated, informed and connected than you are or could ever hope to be big guy.

You have got to be joking. Dude, I would love to see your scholastic resume. You aren't even close.

I dunno...you got the BS end all wrapped up admittedly.

Do you have a masters? Nope??? I do. 2 actually.

I don't watch Fox News, CNN or MSNBC...I have a job that requires I work to support my family. I don't have time for all that. I do listen to NPR, and read various newspapers. Then I form my own opinion.

Now respond the rest of the post Dean.

If Bill Clinton said just prior to the invasion, that Iraq was a threat, was he lying to?

[Rockindeano]

Dean Dean Dean...It has already been established that I am better educated, informed and connected than you are or could ever hope to be big guy.

You have got to be joking. Dude, I would love to see your scholastic resume. You aren't even close.

I dunno...you got the BS end all wrapped up admittedly.

Do you have a masters? Nope??? I do. 2 actually.

I don't watch Fox News, CNN or MSNBC...I have a job that requires I work to support my family. I don't have time for all that. I do listen to NPR, and read various newspapers. Then I form my own opinion.

Now respond the rest of the post Dean.

If Bill Clinton said just prior to the invasion, that Iraq was a threat, was he lying to?

I have a Master's Degree in Political Science from a very good school.

I haven't the desire to argue with a bunch of morons.

[Voyager]

Dean Dean Dean...It has already been established that I am better educated, informed and connected than you are or could ever hope to be big guy.

You have got to be joking. Dude, I would love to see your scholastic resume. You aren't even close.

I dunno...you got the BS end all wrapped up admittedly.

Do you have a masters? Nope??? I do. 2 actually.

I don't watch Fox News, CNN or MSNBC...I have a job that requires I work to support my family. I don't have time for all that. I do listen to NPR, and read various newspapers. Then I form my own opinion.

Now respond the rest of the post Dean.

If Bill Clinton said just prior to the invasion, that Iraq was a threat, was he lying to?

I have a Master's Degree in Political Science from a very good school.

I haven't the desire to argue with a bunch of morons.

LOL! Good point. We'll be out of Iraq in 2009 after Clinton or Obama takes office, so it's all worthless rhetoric anyway.

[brywool]

If you think for one second that Hussien would't have given WMD's to terrorist you are nuts. He would have done it in a heartbeat.

Which WMD's are you referring to - the ones that we never found?

He said he had them...if you read the first post in this thread, even your precious Bill Clinton and Democratic senators said he had them.

British, German, French and Russian intelligence at the time said he had them.

It was only AFTER the fact that all you libs started crying foul.

Um, no... It was after our own investigators were saying we didn't have them.
By the way, without "libs" you'd still have slavery dude.

HAHAHA! That is a completely assinine statement. Abraham Lincoln was a lib huh? Moron. You don't even know your the history of the country you live in!

Apparently, neither do you if you're backing the Iraq BS.

Dude, you're so sensitive, what's your problem with the name calling etc? I'm just discussing here. Chill, no need to be nasty. I don't agree with the Iraq thing. If you do, that's your problem.

It was NOT a conservative MOVE to abolish slavery by any means. I would think that move would've been considered pretty radical and liberal. You telling me that conservatives were happy to do that? I highly doubt it. I would think that a pretty liberal move from a republican of the times (which he was) .

[brywool]

LOL! Good point. We'll be out of Iraq in 2009 after Clinton or Obama takes office, so it's all worthless rhetoric anyway.

I highly doubt it.

[RossValoryRocks]

Dean Dean Dean...It has already been established that I am better educated, informed and connected than you are or could ever hope to be big guy.

You have got to be joking. Dude, I would love to see your scholastic resume. You aren't even close.

I dunno...you got the BS end all wrapped up admittedly.

Do you have a masters? Nope??? I do. 2 actually.

I don't watch Fox News, CNN or MSNBC...I have a job that requires I work to support my family. I don't have time for all that. I do listen to NPR, and read various newspapers. Then I form my own opinion.

Now respond the rest of the post Dean.

If Bill Clinton said just prior to the invasion, that Iraq was a threat, was he lying to?

I have a Master's Degree in Political Science from a very good school.

I haven't the desire to argue with a bunch of morons.

You have a MS in PoliSci and you aren't working for some consulting firm?

It's not you don't desire to argue with morons, you do that all the time. No you have no desire to answer the question actually posed, because you know the answer would be against your professed love of all things Clinton.

[Gin and Tonic Sky]

Dean Dean Dean...It has already been established that I am better educated, informed and connected than you are or could ever hope to be big guy.

You have got to be joking. Dude, I would love to see your scholastic resume. You aren't even close.

I dunno...you got the BS end all wrapped up admittedly.

Do you have a masters? Nope??? I do. 2 actually.

I don't watch Fox News, CNN or MSNBC...I have a job that requires I work to support my family. I don't have time for all that. I do listen to NPR, and read various newspapers. Then I form my own opinion.

Now respond the rest of the post Dean.

If Bill Clinton said just prior to the invasion, that Iraq was a threat, was he lying to?

I have a Master's Degree in Political Science from a very good school.

I haven't the desire to argue with a bunch of morons.

Relax boys - every one on here has a good head on our shoulders we just disagree,

by the way Im a pretty bright spark - I can copy Morse code at 50 groups per minute (98 percent accuracy) , whilst listening to a baseball game with the other ear and reading Newsweek. As a matter of fact, I can probably do all that whilst receiveing a blow job from a blonde chick. All that learned from that wonderful instition of learning the United States Navy

[brywool]

It was NOT a conservative MOVE to abolish slavery by any means. I would think that move would've been considered pretty radical and liberal. You telling me that conservatives were happy to do that? I highly doubt it. I would think that a pretty liberal move from a republican of the times (which he was) .

Um, you might want to read up a bit brywool, here's a good start. Especially at the bottom.

http://www.civilwarhome.com/republicans.htm

Or here.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of ... ican_Party

The Republican Party was created in 1854 in opposition to the Kansas-Nebraska Act that would have allowed the expansion of slavery into Kansas. The Republican activists denounced the act as proof of the power of the Slave Power—the powerful class of southern slaveholders who were conspiring to control the federal government and to spread slavery nationwide. The name "Republican" gained such favor in 1854 because "republicanism" was the paramount political value the new party meant to uphold. The party founders adopted the name "Republican" to indicate it was the carrier of "republican" beliefs about civic virtue, and opposition to aristocracy and corruption.[1] The name had been in previous use by Jeffersonians, Jacksonians, and nationalists.

The fucking republican party was started just to fight slavery. And you were right about it being radical, but you had the wrong idea of radicalisim of the time period.

Hey, I have no problem admitting when I'm wrong. I guess I meant that it was a 'liberal' thing to do rather than 'the liberal party' did it. thanks for the education. I still think it was a liberal thing to do... It ain't a dirty word gang.

[RossValoryRocks]

It was NOT a conservative MOVE to abolish slavery by any means. I would think that move would've been considered pretty radical and liberal. You telling me that conservatives were happy to do that? I highly doubt it. I would think that a pretty liberal move from a republican of the times (which he was) .

Um, you might want to read up a bit brywool, here's a good start. Especially at the bottom.

http://www.civilwarhome.com/republicans.htm

Or here.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of ... ican_Party

The Republican Party was created in 1854 in opposition to the Kansas-Nebraska Act that would have allowed the expansion of slavery into Kansas. The Republican activists denounced the act as proof of the power of the Slave Power—the powerful class of southern slaveholders who were conspiring to control the federal government and to spread slavery nationwide. The name "Republican" gained such favor in 1854 because "republicanism" was the paramount political value the new party meant to uphold. The party founders adopted the name "Republican" to indicate it was the carrier of "republican" beliefs about civic virtue, and opposition to aristocracy and corruption.[1] The name had been in previous use by Jeffersonians, Jacksonians, and nationalists.

The fucking republican party was started just to fight slavery. And you were right about it being radical, but you had the wrong idea of radicalisim of the time period.

Hey, I have no problem admitting when I'm wrong. I guess I meant that it was a 'liberal' thing to do rather than 'the liberal party' did it. thanks for the education. I still think it was a liberal thing to do... It ain't a dirty word gang.

The word liberal has changed meanings politically over the years...drastically in some cases...when I use liberal I am refering to the here and now liberalism with a socialist /communist agenda of reliance on the nation-state for everything, big government and high taxes.

[brywool]

It was NOT a conservative MOVE to abolish slavery by any means. I would think that move would've been considered pretty radical and liberal. You telling me that conservatives were happy to do that? I highly doubt it. I would think that a pretty liberal move from a republican of the times (which he was) .

Um, you might want to read up a bit brywool, here's a good start. Especially at the bottom.

http://www.civilwarhome.com/republicans.htm

Or here.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of ... ican_Party

The Republican Party was created in 1854 in opposition to the Kansas-Nebraska Act that would have allowed the expansion of slavery into Kansas. The Republican activists denounced the act as proof of the power of the Slave Power—the powerful class of southern slaveholders who were conspiring to control the federal government and to spread slavery nationwide. The name "Republican" gained such favor in 1854 because "republicanism" was the paramount political value the new party meant to uphold. The party founders adopted the name "Republican" to indicate it was the carrier of "republican" beliefs about civic virtue, and opposition to aristocracy and corruption.[1] The name had been in previous use by Jeffersonians, Jacksonians, and nationalists.

The fucking republican party was started just to fight slavery. And you were right about it being radical, but you had the wrong idea of radicalisim of the time period.

Hey, I have no problem admitting when I'm wrong. I guess I meant that it was a 'liberal' thing to do rather than 'the liberal party' did it. thanks for the education. I still think it was a liberal thing to do... It ain't a dirty word gang.

The word liberal has changed meanings politically over the years...drastically in some cases...when I use liberal I am refering to the here and now liberalism with a socialist /communist agenda of reliance on the nation-state for everything, big government and high taxes.

See, I am not referring to it that way. I'm referring to it in the literal sense. I always have. And that is our difference. No big deal. Everything's cool. Now, go have your Freedom Fries ya bastard!
(just kiddin' ya)

[annie89509]

Juneteenth --June 19th 1865--

Americans celebrate "Juneteenth" - when in 1865 slavery finally ended throughout the entire United States. Sadly, few people know that Juneteenth was a high water mark for African- Americans. Soon after that great day, the Democratic Party defeated the Reconstruction policies of the Republican Party, postponing the civil rights movement until the 1950s.

An important fact which most history books ignore is that Abraham Lincoln's 1864 running mate was a Democrat, Andrew Johnson of Tennessee. And so after Lincoln's assassination, it was a Democrat who would be President of the United States for the first four years after the Civil War. That first President Johnson did all in his power to prevent African- Americans from experiencing Lincoln's "new birth of freedom."

It was in Texas where slavery finally ended. On June 19, 1865, U.S. troops commanded by General Gordon Granger landed at Galveston and brought some important news that the Democrats running the state had refused to tell their slaves, that they had been legally freed more than two years before by the Emancipation Proclamation. Granger's famous General Order Number 3 read: "The people of Texas are informed that in accordance with a Proclamation from the Executive of the United States, all slaves are free. This involves an absolute equality of rights and rights of property between former masters and slaves, and the connection heretofore existing between them becomes that between employer and free laborer."

I love this board!!! Who would have thunk(sic) it, learning some history facts from a music forum .

[Wally_Hatchet]

If you think for one second that Hussien would't have given WMD's to terrorist you are nuts. He would have done it in a heartbeat.

Which WMD's are you referring to - the ones that we never found?

Maybe the WMD's that Saddam used to kill thousands of his own people, inclidong women and childeren? You know, the one's that Saddam and Chemical Ali were responsible for.

Yeah, those.

[lights1961]

Dean Dean Dean...It has already been established that I am better educated, informed and connected than you are or could ever hope to be big guy.

You have got to be joking. Dude, I would love to see your scholastic resume. You aren't even close.

I dunno...you got the BS end all wrapped up admittedly.

Do you have a masters? Nope??? I do. 2 actually.

I don't watch Fox News, CNN or MSNBC...I have a job that requires I work to support my family. I don't have time for all that. I do listen to NPR, and read various newspapers. Then I form my own opinion.

Now respond the rest of the post Dean.

If Bill Clinton said just prior to the invasion, that Iraq was a threat, was he lying to?

I have a Master's Degree in Political Science from a very good school.

I haven't the desire to argue with a bunch of morons.

Relax boys - every one on here has a good head on our shoulders we just disagree,

by the way Im a pretty bright spark - I can copy Morse code at 50 groups per minute (98 percent accuracy) , whilst listening to a baseball game with the other ear and reading Newsweek. As a matter of fact, I can probably do all that whilst receiveing a blow job from a blonde chick. All that learned from that wonderful instition of learning the United States Navy

so what is Jericho morse code sayiing???
My dad did morse code back in the army in 1946.


Rick