OT: Puppy Killer responds to outrage

[KenTheDude]

And I'm surprised that you keep saying it's OK what he did just because he happened to be in a highly stressful environment. I'm not a liberal "PETA-type" as described by Angie. I eat meat, kill mosquitoes, etc. Totally different scenario than throwing a puppy off of a cliff & videotaping it, so yes you are mixing apples and oranges. It's not so much of the fact that he killed the animal, it's the way he did it. That's the part you're not grasping. I am not a hypocrite, I'd never do that.

If he would have shot the animal to put it out of it's misery and then buried it without being a dumbass show-off, he wouldn't be in the shit that he is in now. Think about that. He knew what he was doing was totally wrong. Whether he is in a wartime atmosphere or not is a bullshit excuse. The only reason why he is backpedalling and apologizing now is because he got caught and is receiving a wrath of shit. And rightly so. He gets no free passes.

Lora's post above is spot on as well.

Read my ENTIRE posts, dipshit!
I NEVER said what he did was OK.
I AGREE that it was wrong.
But it was WRONG, as ina Bad Judgement Call or a Poor Decision,
NOT a criminal act and DEFINITELY NOT worthy of all the flack
this guy is getting from people like you and everyone else.

Some of you people really make me laugh.

OK I totally agree with you now that you called me a dipshit! The way he carried it out, I believe is a criminal act. You're OK with it in the sense that you're willing to give him a free pass. That's what I meant.

The guy is getting all of the flack that he is getting because it's justified, you're in the minority here. I'm not some tree hugging PETA lover, but this guy was flat out wrong and now needs to pay the piper. So you might as well just deal with it because calling people dipshit and telling them they are all laughable will only make you look foolish and certainly won't make anyone change their minds and see it your way. On that note, I'm done with this.

[RedWingFan]

Thanks Carlitto for keeping things in perspective here. Folks here just tend to think you could drop a sick animal at local Iraqi vets office in the 'hood.
Funny thread though with all the, "So you think it's okay" posts.

[Carlitto H@kk]

And you want to martyr this person just because he wears a uniform.

He is a disgrace to the Marine Corps and a disgrace to every other person who serves or has served his/her country with honor and integrity. There was nothing heroic or honorable about this act. There was nothing honorable about recording it on video. Every person who had anything to do with this cowardly act deserves to be punished to the fullest extent under the rules of military law. End Of Fucking Story!

I get so sick of all this flag waving, "thank you for your service" bullshit!. Deciding to join the military does not make you special, it does not even make you worthy of respect. Respect is gained by the choices you make and by your actions. This Marine does not deserve my respect or my thanks.

And before you ask. Yes, I did my time in uniform. Nine years in the Navy when it was not so politically correct to be in the military. And I did not decide to serve so that some dillwad would thank me for my service, or to defend the country against "evil doers." I did it to honor my father and his 24 years of service.

I am not martyring the guy.
I agree that what he did was "Wrong".
But it is not worthy of the kinda shit this is bringing him.
It was NOT criminal nor worthy of punishment
under the UCMJ or Court Marshall process.

And I wasn't "flag waving", pal.
But for people to drag this guy threw the mud over this
without EVER having to see or do some of the things we have
been forced to do over there is ridiculous.

You say you were in the military, you should understand that.
You're telling me that his life AND career need to be completely wrecked
because of a puppy?
Boy, things must have looked all rosey and fun from the deck of that boat, eh?
No chance some time in the field could lead a guy to a bad decision, right?

[Panther]

Wow! Such discussion on this topic. I think I can see both sides. I've a father (Korea and Nam) and brother (frontline Nam) who both served. Somewhere around here, I have a pic of the "hut" puppy my brother's unit adopted about two months in country. When I first saw the footage of this incident, the puppy reminded me of the one in my brother's picture. Odd.

Anyway, yeah, being in country on the lines (as it is) does things to people's thinking processes. Sometimes the pressure builds and the guys/gals sense of humor takes a decidedly morbid turn. Much like those who work police/medical/fire here at home. Was he a dumbass for having it taped, joking about it in front of the tape and continuing to defend said taping? Yeah. Should his family be dragged into the whole mess? Hell no, they are no more responsible for his actions than you or I are. As for the forthcoming military action against him... I don't know. My father's duty while in service was honcho of the brig. Think I'll ask him about that tonight and see what his take is on the whole thing.

Not fer nothin... but my little twisted mini's father is stationed out of Hawaii. I've wondered several times if this soldier might be in his unit or a brother unit.

[pinkvelvet]

First of all, was this guy a veterinarian to determine if this puppy was really "disease infested"? I have no problem with him putting the puppy out of it's misery if it really was. But bragging about it & videotaping it WAS WRONG no matter how you slice it!! So stop defending this PIG!!

Trust me, it was disease ridden. I guess you kinda have to have
"been there, done that" to have a clue as to what the real world is like, Ken.

Second of all, there is no such thing as The Society of Prevention to Cruelty to Cockroaches, Ants, etc. so quit mixing apples and oranges. It isn't going to "fly" here, pun intended.

No mixing of apples and oranges, Dude.
Just because there aren't any "societies" for the creatures I mentioned
doesn't make them any less "innocent" than a stray puppy.
They are "Animals" and "God's creatures" just like you, me and little puppies.
Quit being a hypocrite.

I hope the guy loses everything and rots in hell. Only because of the bragging and videotaping, not the supposedly putting it out of it's misery. And even that is still VERY debatable.

Yea, the guy makes a bad judgement call while being deployed
in a HIGHLY STRESSFULL enviroment, where he has seen things
I wouldn't even wish upon my worst enemies, and he deserves
to have his life and career ruined... all for a puppy.

I am surprised I haven't seen a thread to
"Give this poor martyred puppy a name" yet

I dont know how you treat your pets at home, but for me, my dog is more than just a puppy. He is a member of the family. They feel pain like you do too. And yes, he deserves to have his life and career ruined, even more. Its a heartless and cruel act. What could someone like that be thinking as he jokingly throw an innocent puppy off the cliff? and why do u feel so strongly to defend this guy anyway? just dont have anthing better to do?

[Carlitto H@kk]

I dont know how you treat your pets at home, but for me, my dog is more than just a puppy. He is a member of the family. They feel pain like you do too. And yes, he deserves to have his life and career ruined, even more. Its a heartless and cruel act. What could someone like that be thinking as he jokingly throw an innocent puppy off the cliff? and why do u feel so strongly to defend this guy anyway? just dont have anthing better to do?

I am defending this guy because I don't feel, as a fellow military member,
that his life and career should be ruined over this.
I am not going to go into my military resume because it is really none of your
business but I will just say that I've been around a LONG time, been there, done
that several times and KNOW what the effects of this war can have on our soldiers.

You, on the other hand, are putting an emotional attachment to this stray dog because
you have a dog yourself. YOU, as a dog owner, consider these animals as "children"
and "loved ones". Troops in the field do not have that choice.

We are briefed as soon as we get "boots on the ground" that stray animals and critters
are strictly off-limits and not to be messed with, fed or kept as pets. It is a proven FACT
that these stray animals are disease ridden and a hazard to anyone that comes in contact.

And here's another little tidbit you may not know:
Those cute little puppies and kittens CAN be used as BIOLOGICAL WEAPONS.
They can be purposely infected with diseases or biological agents like Anthrax
and "sent" into enemy territory.

As sad as it is, these animals must be put down.
Again, I think what the guy did was wrong.
But not criminal; he shuld've jst put a bullet in its
head, WITHOUT a camera, and moved on.
He screwed up but his life and career shouldn't be in the balance over it.
Face it, this dog was gonna die... either by bullet, starvation or being eaten
alive by the other wild, rabid dogs that scour the countryside over there.

PS I absolutely LOVE dogs.
I don't own one... YET. The Wife and I have been discussing it.
Worked in a dog shelter the whole year I weas stationed in Korea.
I don't own any guns cuz they scare me and I couldn't shoot a living thing.
The only time I have ever shot a gun is when I go for my annual M16/9MM qualifications.

[finalfight]

We are briefed as soon as we get "boots on the ground" that stray animals and critters
are strictly off-limits and not to be messed with, fed or kept as pets. It is a proven FACT
that these stray animals are disease ridden and a hazard to anyone that comes in contact.

And here's another little tidbit you may not know:
Those cute little puppies and kittens CAN be used as BIOLOGICAL WEAPONS.
They can be purposely infected with diseases or biological agents like Anthrax
and "sent" into enemy territory.

Then he should have just shot the dog from a distance as by picking it up he put not only himself but fellow soldiers in danger. That action in itself warrants attention.

[MJM1959]

And you want to martyr this person just because he wears a uniform.

He is a disgrace to the Marine Corps and a disgrace to every other person who serves or has served his/her country with honor and integrity. There was nothing heroic or honorable about this act. There was nothing honorable about recording it on video. Every person who had anything to do with this cowardly act deserves to be punished to the fullest extent under the rules of military law. End Of Fucking Story!

I get so sick of all this flag waving, "thank you for your service" bullshit!. Deciding to join the military does not make you special, it does not even make you worthy of respect. Respect is gained by the choices you make and by your actions. This Marine does not deserve my respect or my thanks.

And before you ask. Yes, I did my time in uniform. Nine years in the Navy when it was not so politically correct to be in the military. And I did not decide to serve so that some dillwad would thank me for my service, or to defend the country against "evil doers." I did it to honor my father and his 24 years of service.

I am not martyring the guy.
I agree that what he did was "Wrong".
But it is not worthy of the kinda shit this is bringing him.
It was NOT criminal nor worthy of punishment
under the UCMJ or Court Marshall process.

And I wasn't "flag waving", pal.
But for people to drag this guy threw the mud over this
without EVER having to see or do some of the things we have
been forced to do over there is ridiculous.

You say you were in the military, you should understand that.
You're telling me that his life AND career need to be completely wrecked
because of a puppy?
Boy, things must have looked all rosey and fun from the deck of that boat, eh?
No chance some time in the field could lead a guy to a bad decision, right?

I was in the military and I understand the difference between right and wrong. I understand that when you put on that uniform you are held to a higher standard of conduct and responsibility than the average joe on the street. I understand the meaning of courage, honor and discipline. Obviously you and your favorite Marine do not. A tour in Iraq does not get you a "get out of jail free" card when you discredit your uniform, your service and your country. This guy is just another asshole in uniform, nothing else.

BTW, Yes it is a punishable offense.

934. ART. 134. GENERAL ARTICLE
Though not specifically mentioned in this chapter, all disorders and neglects to the prejudice of good order and discipline in the armed forces, all conduct of a nature to bring discredit upon the armed forces, and crimes and offenses not capital, of which persons subject to this chapter may be guilty, shall be taken cognizance of by a general, special or summary court-martial, according to the nature and degree of the offense, and shall be punished at the discretion of that court.

If this does not constitute bringing discredit upon the armed forces, I do not know what does. He made the decision to wear the uniform and that includes the responsibility that goes with it. Deal with it.

[Journey/Survivor]

That son of a bitch is one sick ass bastard! If I ever came face to face with him I'd beat the living shit out of him. He's a disgrace and a poor excuse of a human being.

[Journey/Survivor]

I don't know whose statement is more disturbing...his or yours. If this is what serving your country has done to you, I am sincerely sorry. I hope that you will seek counseling.

Yea, I am going to seek counseling because the death
of a stray, dying puppy and the means by which it met it's
death has not affected me emotionally and brought me to tears
and sorrow for the loss of an innocent soul...

Give me a break...

Well, since I"m on everyone's shit list this week anyway, I'll go ahead and say I have to agree with Carlos here. I can't imagine what our armed forces go through so far away from home away from loved ones and the things they see and the hardships and then have to take a bunch of shit over a damn dog. How many children are killed senselessly over there EVERYDAY? Priorities, people.

None of that justifies what that asshole did. Trust me on this, I've gone through living hell at times in my life, and it's never once made me harm any person or animal because of it. And I've put my own safety at risk many times for the sake of helping injured animals, and have also run out into heavy traffic to help make sure that an animal didn't get hit by a car. My dogs are also like family members to me, and I've spent thousands of dollars to save their lives at times. That poor excuse of a soldier is truly warped.

[Journey/Survivor]

What the man did was an extreme act of cruelty. Taping it, bragging about it and defending it a year later is a sign of instability. People who abuse animals...under any excuse...are capable of exhibiting the same treatment with humans.

This behavior is inexcusable...anywhere. We are supposed to be the protectors.

All most all serial killers started out by harming animals first.

[Carlitto H@kk]

I was in the military and I understand the difference between right and wrong. I understand that when you put on that uniform you are held to a higher standard of conduct and responsibility than the average joe on the street. I understand the meaning of courage, honor and discipline. Obviously you and your favorite Marine do not. A tour in Iraq does not get you a "get out of jail free" card when you discredit your uniform, your service and your country. This guy is just another asshole in uniform, nothing else.

BTW, Yes it is a punishable offense.

934. ART. 134. GENERAL ARTICLE
Though not specifically mentioned in this chapter, all disorders and neglects to the prejudice of good order and discipline in the armed forces, all conduct of a nature to bring discredit upon the armed forces, and crimes and offenses not capital, of which persons subject to this chapter may be guilty, shall be taken cognizance of by a general, special or summary court-martial, according to the nature and degree of the offense, and shall be punished at the discretion of that court.

If this does not constitute bringing discredit upon the armed forces, I do not know what does. He made the decision to wear the uniform and that includes the responsibility that goes with it. Deal with it.

Man, you're reaching here.
This 'action' is only bringing discredit upon the armed forces because folks
like you and every other person that has
posted in this thread is crying and whining about it.

And don't even try to lecture me on
the meaning of courage, honor and discipline.
Trust me, you are way out of your league.

But I am curious since you want to toot your own horn about your illustrious 9-year military career.
Are you telling me that you NEVER, in your 9 years of service, did anything
that was "questionable" or "in bad taste"?
Are you telling me that you NEVER made a bad decision that you wished you could take back?
I'm sure you did. There just wasn't the technology out there like now, with sites like Youtube,
where ANYTHING a person does can be posted for the world to see.

Again, I agree that what he did was wrong.
And he is NOT my favorite Marine.
He is one of the hundreds of thousands of Marines that I admire
and respect because they are the ones in the field,
putting their lives on the line and doing all the
things none of us want to do.

NO ONE has the right to judge this guy on this single action/event
because NONE OF US has walked in shoes or knows what he has
gone through. Sure, he will be "judged" by his leadership and probably
discharged but it is only because spoiled, naive, weak America
has asked for his head on a platter.

[Carlitto H@kk]

That son of a bitch is one sick ass bastard! If I ever came face to face with him I'd beat the living shit out of him. He's a disgrace and a poor excuse of a human being.

Sure you would...

[Carlitto H@kk]

None of that justifies what that asshole did. Trust me on this, I've gone through living hell at times in my life, and it's never once made me harm any person or animal because of it. And I've put my own safety at risk many times for the sake of helping injured animals, and have also run out into heavy traffic to help make sure that an animal didn't get hit by a car. My dogs are also like family members to me, and I've spent thousands of dollars to save their lives at times. That poor excuse of a soldier is truly warped.

And you are another biased observer
that is "emotionally" reacting to a situation
that has nothing to do with you and your beloved pets.

There was no "emotional" attachment in this case.
Sick, dying diseased dog. Put it out of it's misery.
Bullet? Let it starve? Let the other wild, rabid dogs feast?
Or, have a "brain fart" and video himself tossing it?

WHO CARES? It all ends the same... Dead Puppy.
Get over it.

[Journey/Survivor]

That son of a bitch is one sick ass bastard! If I ever came face to face with him I'd beat the living shit out of him. He's a disgrace and a poor excuse of a human being.

Sure you would...

Damn fucking straight I would!

[Carlitto H@kk]

That son of a bitch is one sick ass bastard! If I ever came face to face with him I'd beat the living shit out of him. He's a disgrace and a poor excuse of a human being.

Sure you would...

Damn fucking straight I would!

Sure you would...
You got big balls (or tits if your a chick) sitting behind that
keyboard but I wonder how'd you'd act face-to-face with
your average Marine.

But hey, keep talking

[Journey/Survivor]

None of that justifies what that asshole did. Trust me on this, I've gone through living hell at times in my life, and it's never once made me harm any person or animal because of it. And I've put my own safety at risk many times for the sake of helping injured animals, and have also run out into heavy traffic to help make sure that an animal didn't get hit by a car. My dogs are also like family members to me, and I've spent thousands of dollars to save their lives at times. That poor excuse of a soldier is truly warped.

And you are another biased observer
that is "emotionally" reacting to a situation
that has nothing to do with you and your beloved pets.

There was no "emotional" attachment in this case.
Sick, dying diseased dog. Put it out of it's misery.
Bullet? Let it starve? Let the other wild, rabid dogs feast?
Or, have a "brain fart" and video himself tossing it?

WHO CARES? It all ends the same... Dead Puppy.
Get over it.

IF the dog was truly suffering and going to die, (And I wouldn't take that scum-bags word on it) then shooting it straight through the head would be far more humane than what he did.

Fact of the matter is that he's a warped sick shit bastard and was getting pleasure out of killing the dog and did it in a very cruel manner.

[pinkvelvet]

I dont know how you treat your pets at home, but for me, my dog is more than just a puppy. He is a member of the family. They feel pain like you do too. And yes, he deserves to have his life and career ruined, even more. Its a heartless and cruel act. What could someone like that be thinking as he jokingly throw an innocent puppy off the cliff? and why do u feel so strongly to defend this guy anyway? just dont have anthing better to do?

I am defending this guy because I don't feel, as a fellow military member,
that his life and career should be ruined over this.
I am not going to go into my military resume because it is really none of your
business but I will just say that I've been around a LONG time, been there, done
that several times and KNOW what the effects of this war can have on our soldiers.

You, on the other hand, are putting an emotional attachment to this stray dog because
you have a dog yourself. YOU, as a dog owner, consider these animals as "children"
and "loved ones". Troops in the field do not have that choice.

We are briefed as soon as we get "boots on the ground" that stray animals and critters
are strictly off-limits and not to be messed with, fed or kept as pets. It is a proven FACT
that these stray animals are disease ridden and a hazard to anyone that comes in contact.

And here's another little tidbit you may not know:
Those cute little puppies and kittens CAN be used as BIOLOGICAL WEAPONS.
They can be purposely infected with diseases or biological agents like Anthrax
and "sent" into enemy territory.

As sad as it is, these animals must be put down.
Again, I think what the guy did was wrong.
But not criminal; he shuld've jst put a bullet in its
head, WITHOUT a camera, and moved on.
He screwed up but his life and career shouldn't be in the balance over it.
Face it, this dog was gonna die... either by bullet, starvation or being eaten
alive by the other wild, rabid dogs that scour the countryside over there.

PS I absolutely LOVE dogs.
I don't own one... YET. The Wife and I have been discussing it.
Worked in a dog shelter the whole year I weas stationed in Korea.
I don't own any guns cuz they scare me and I couldn't shoot a living thing.
The only time I have ever shot a gun is when I go for my annual M16/9MM qualifications.

I sure hope u guys wont get one. With that heartless attitude u have towards the situation, I dont think u are capable of raising one. No use arguing with someone whos got a twisted mind. What does serving in the military have to do with killing an innocent puppy?

[annie89509]

I had a feeling I wouldn't like this topic with the words "dead puppy". Now I wished I had heed my own instincts and stayed out of this thread. My whole day is ruined now .

[ProgRocker53]

None of that justifies what that asshole did. Trust me on this, I've gone through living hell at times in my life, and it's never once made me harm any person or animal because of it. And I've put my own safety at risk many times for the sake of helping injured animals, and have also run out into heavy traffic to help make sure that an animal didn't get hit by a car. My dogs are also like family members to me, and I've spent thousands of dollars to save their lives at times. That poor excuse of a soldier is truly warped.

And you are another biased observer
that is "emotionally" reacting to a situation
that has nothing to do with you and your beloved pets.

There was no "emotional" attachment in this case.
Sick, dying diseased dog. Put it out of it's misery.
Bullet? Let it starve? Let the other wild, rabid dogs feast?
Or, have a "brain fart" and video himself tossing it?

WHO CARES? It all ends the same... Dead Puppy.
Get over it.

IF the dog was truly suffering and going to die, (And I wouldn't take that scum-bags word on it) then shooting it straight through the head would be far more humane than what he did.

Fact of the matter is that he's a warped sick shit bastard and was getting pleasure out of killing the dog and did it in a very cruel manner.

I have nothing to contribute to this discussion, as Journey/Survivor is saying it all for me.

[Carlitto H@kk]

Fact of the matter is that he's a warped sick shit bastard and was getting pleasure out of killing the dog and did it in a very cruel manner.

And his actions hurt "who"???
I mean, honestly, WHO is actually hurt by this???
NOBODY.
He just hurt some feelings.

This is just great!
Not only am I gonna have to keep sitting
through countless briefings on Suicide Prevention,
Sexual Assault, Alcohol/Drug Addiction, Abuse,
Under-age Drinking, Drinking and Driving,
Law Of Armed Conflict (LOAC), UCMJ, Chemical/Biological warfare,
Human Trafficking, OPSEC, Privacey Act yadda yadda yadda.

NOW the military will have to brief us all on treatment
of animals, specifically cute little puppies.
Maybe they should just add that to the LOAC briefing, eh???
They can add them as non-combatants that cannot be fired upon
with civillians, chaplains, Medical folks, Red Cross workers, POWs and injured enemy soldiers

[Journey/Survivor]

That son of a bitch is one sick ass bastard! If I ever came face to face with him I'd beat the living shit out of him. He's a disgrace and a poor excuse of a human being.

Sure you would...

Damn fucking straight I would!

Sure you would...
You got big balls (or tits if your a chick) sitting behind that
keyboard but I wonder how'd you'd act face-to-face with
your average Marine.

But hey, keep talking

I had a 11 and 0 record as an amature boxer. I'm over six feet tall. I weigh 240 pounds. I used to be very serious into bodybuilding. I have a brother who is 4 years older than me, and who never held back from trying to kick my ass, so I got used to fighting someone who was bigger and stronger than me at a young age. All of my friends as a kid were anywhere from from 4 to 8 years older than myself, we would play tackle football and basketball where fouls were perfectly alright. I got used to getting knocked around by bigger people than myself.

And I have 14 uncles and cousins who were/are in the military, some are career officers, and my father was in the Army too and taught me how to box. And not all military people are such bad-asses. TRUST ME, I'd beat the living hell out of him!

[RedWingFan]

It amazes me that people can get so worked up about a puppy half a world away while partial birth abortions are still going on here at home.

[Carlitto H@kk]

I sure hope u guys wont get one. With that heartless attitude u have towards the situation, I dont think u are capable of raising one. No use arguing with someone whos got a twisted mind. What does serving in the military have to do with killing an innocent puppy?

Absolutely NOTHING, Suzie,
unless your are in the field and tasked
to take care of little stray puppies that
are dying or diseased or rabid...

And I am gonna get a dog.
My faves are Boxers and Weimeramers (sp?).
But my wife like the little lap dogs like Yorkies.

Oh no...
Maybe when I share this fun thread tonight she will change her mind!!!
She might be affraid I'd chuck that little Yorkie in the
road when day for peeing on my carpets!!!
Hell, she might not ever leave me alone
w/ my daughters again!!! Especially the 9-month old...
I could probably chuck her a good 20-25 yards

Laughable

[Journey/Survivor]

Fact of the matter is that he's a warped sick shit bastard and was getting pleasure out of killing the dog and did it in a very cruel manner.

And his actions hurt "who"???
I mean, honestly, WHO is actually hurt by this???
NOBODY.
He just hurt some feelings.

This is just great!
Not only am I gonna have to keep sitting
through countless briefings on Suicide Prevention,
Sexual Assault, Alcohol/Drug Addiction, Abuse,
Under-age Drinking, Drinking and Driving,
Law Of Armed Conflict (LOAC), UCMJ, Chemical/Biological warfare,
Human Trafficking, OPSEC, Privacey Act yadda yadda yadda.

NOW the military will have to brief us all on treatment
of animals, specifically cute little puppies.
Maybe they should just add that to the LOAC briefing, eh???
They can add them as non-combatants that cannot be fired upon
with civillians, chaplains, Medical folks, Red Cross workers, POWs and injured enemy soldiers

He sure as fuck hurt the dog.

The people who don't give a shit about animals are the same ones that don't give a shit about human lives and go around hacking people up. One of the greatest things about humans is the ability to feel empathy. And humans who lack empathy are dangerous people to society.

[Carlitto H@kk]

I had a 11 and 0 record as an amature boxer. I'm over six feet tall. I weigh 240 pounds. I used to be very serious into bodybuilding. I have a brother who is 4 years older than me, and who never held back from trying to kick my ass, so I got used to fighting someone who was bigger and stronger than me at a young age. All of my friends as a kid were anywhere from from 4 to 8 years older than myself, we would play tackle football and basketball where fouls were perfectly alright. I got used to getting knocked around by bigger people than myself.

And I have 14 uncles and cousins who were/are in the military, some are career officers, and my father was in the Army too and taught me how to box. And not all military people are such bad-asses. TRUST ME, I'd beat the living hell out of him!

Wow, that's awesome! Talkin' about the military history in your family, of course.

PS. Lay off the "Clear" and the HGH...
Can't tell if it's the HGH swelling your cranium or the ego...

[Journey/Survivor]

It amazes me that people can get so worked up about a puppy half a world away while partial birth abortions are still going on here at home.

I'm very strongly anti-abortion for the record!

[Carlitto H@kk]

The people who don't give a shit about animals are the same ones that don't give a shit about human lives and go around hacking people up. One of the greatest things about humans is the ability to feel empathy. And humans who lack empathy are dangerous people to society.

Look, Saint Francis...
There is a BIG FUCKING DIFFERENCE between empathy
and flat-out over reaction to an event that hurt absolutely NO ONE...

[Journey/Survivor]

The people who don't give a shit about animals are the same ones that don't give a shit about human lives and go around hacking people up. One of the greatest things about humans is the ability to feel empathy. And humans who lack empathy are dangerous people to society.

Look, Saint Francis...
There is a BIG FUCKING DIFFERENCE between empathy
and flat-out over reaction to an event that hurt absolutely NO ONE...

You seem to lack empathy, therefore you don't understand how his actions have caused harm. And obviously were not going to change each others minds.

[Barb]

Any person who inflicts pain on a defenseless animal is a sick fuck in my book. I don't care if they are military or some punk kid training to be a serial killer. Animal abuse is inexcusable.