DeYoung's CD

[brywool]

Shouldn't this have been out in the US by now?

[Toph]

Shouldn't this have been out in the US by now?

Read his website and their is a note that discusses the status. My understanding is finalizing the duet partner and then it should be ready to go.

I can't wait!

[sniper16]

this is the best STYX cd since kilroy or paradise, and might just be the best cd by a classic artist at least in the last year.

[elmotano]

Shouldn't this have been out in the US by now?

Read his website and their is a note that discusses the status. My understanding is finalizing the duet partner and then it should be ready to go.

I can't wait!

I thought he said that it was going to be Jerry Lewis? Laaadeeeeeeeey

[DarwinNebraska]

this is the best STYX cd since kilroy or paradise, and might just be the best cd by a classic artist at least in the last year.

You're damned well right it is.

[stabbim]

Shouldn't this have been out in the US by now?

Read his website and their is a note that discusses the status. My understanding is finalizing the duet partner and then it should be ready to go.

I can't wait!

I thought he said that it was going to be Jerry Lewis? Laaadeeeeeeeey

Maybe he opted for Axl Rose instead. It would explain the delay...

[classicstyxfan]

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[SuiteMadameBlue]

Shouldn't this have been out in the US by now?

Nope, not yet!

Hopefully soon..............

He had no idea how great his cd was going to do up in Canada, so more shows and appearances were added. I'm sure that pushed back his studio time for the addition of 3 songs. Don't forget his work with Hunchback that's coming up, and working on that pushed the studio time back again. Then I'm sure the scheduling of both Dennis and his duet partner for the US version of 100 years had to work out with both schedules

Unexpected things, which turned out to be GREAT things, pushed back the release date of his US cd

[bugsymalone]

I am thinking the biggest delay has been 2 productions of "Hunchback" for him to work on. For his future, perhaps this is keeping his priorities straight.


Bugsy

[DarwinNebraska]

I think releasing this thing so far apart is not a great thing for sales, promotion, etc.

[Jodes]

Well also knowing that there was literally no promotion of 100 years outside of Quebec and no 2nd single, the album has cooled off tremendously up here.

Yes Dennis has done a few select Canadian dates outside of Quebec since its release and did the big NYE show (which when aired didn't show any of the new songs) in Niagra Falls, but thats been about it.

Don't be surprised if it's released closer to the summer then the spring with the way things are going..

[styxfanNH]

I still don't understand why his Canadian label wanted an incomplete CD so badly or why Dennis would agree to it. From a marketing point, it would have made sense to release both at the same time.

The question will also be how many US fans that have bought the CD initially will buy the same cd with 3 additional songs on it a year or so later. KInda mind boggling.

[yogi]

I will.

I also know for a fact that Castle Walls will pick up the US version as well.

[styxfanNH]

I will.

I also know for a fact that Castle Walls will pick up the US version as well.

Let's just assume that 20 of us on this board will, what about the public at large? Will Canadians buy the US version? hmmmm

[blt man]

I still don't understand why his Canadian label wanted an incomplete CD so badly or why Dennis would agree to it. From a marketing point, it would have made sense to release both at the same time.

The question will also be how many US fans that have bought the CD initially will buy the same cd with 3 additional songs on it a year or so later. KInda mind boggling.

The label knew what they were doing. It is Quebec based (affiliated with Universal) and I presume the goal was for the CD to do well in Quebec. He had just had oodles of sold out shows the year before in Quebec and a great showing on the french idol like show. As soon as they heard the duet, they wanted a release so they could get the song into the marketplace just before summer. Any sales outside of quebec in the rest of Canada would just be considered gravy.

[gr8dane]

Wouldn't all the diehards from the US already have gotten it from other sources,and wouldn't that mean that ....never mind.
Does anybody know the approximate number of sales up here in the tundra,mainly Quebec?

[sadie65]

I don't think he or the label thinks it will set the world on fire in terms of sales. He was hot in Quebec. Certainly die hards will have the Canadian version already and would buy the US version for the additional songs. I'd expect die hard Canadian fans would do the same. In terms of the general public in the US, I doubt the Canadian release would even be on their radar. I'm sure there will be some minor promotion for it when it does release, and if serendipity is on his side great, otherwise I think it will be on to the next thing.

To me, there's nothing mind boggling about how this is being handled. Seems status quo.

Peace

[bugsymalone]

I don't think he or the label thinks it will set the world on fire in terms of sales. He was hot in Quebec. Certainly die hards will have the Canadian version already and would buy the US version for the additional songs. I'd expect die hard Canadian fans would do the same. In terms of the general public in the US, I doubt the Canadian release would even be on their radar. I'm sure there will be some minor promotion for it when it does release, and if serendipity is on his side great, otherwise I think it will be on to the next thing.

To me, there's nothing mind boggling about how this is being handled. Seems status quo.

Bingo, Sadie.

The key here will be any promotion he may get that will put the CD on the radar screen. No one is under the illusion that he will get radio play in the US, so that side of it is out. It would have to involve some television exposure or radio station promos to get it noticed. And, even then, the sales will probably be minimal unless some sort of miracle occurs.

The one aspect of the Canadian release that puzzles me is why DEP did not go with a follow-up single. My only guess there was that he only had one song in French/English and that was the one that appealed to their market.

The only wild card here will be whom he will duet with for "100 Years." That may, or may not, push it into some sort of area where it will get noticed.

Bugsy

[StyxCollector]

The *actual* reality is that DDY will sell more CDs at concerts than in stores. Simple math - if people hear stuff, like it, and see the CD there, they're more inclined to buy it.

[birdynumnum]

Don't expect great things for the CD. Quebecers are very loyal to all things Quebec, and the guy who sang with Dennis is very popular in Quebec so the CD and song did well there. If it was Dennis singing by himself in English, it would have not done as well. Quebec is a different place where the normal trends one sees in the rest of Canada and the US sometimes don't apply there. Radio play was non-existent in the rest of Canada as it will be when it is realeased in the US. I hope I am wrong.

[Zan]

The *actual* reality is that DDY will sell more CDs at concerts than in stores. Simple math...

Is this the same simple math that was used to originate the theory that Tommy Shaw is only using Styx as a cash cow?

[StyxCollector]

The *actual* reality is that DDY will sell more CDs at concerts than in stores. Simple math...

Is this the same simple math that was used to originate the theory that Tommy Shaw is only using Styx as a cash cow?

LOL well ... this one is better than that one. The fact that record stores (of the physical kind) don't really move product and online is iffy to track at best. And there will be little to no radio support.

Let's say said artist (Styx or DDY for that matter) plays to 2000 people. Artist plays new songs. People like new songs. CD is for sale for $15 or $20. You can probably turn about a 10% conversion (conservative), selling roughly 200/show. It won't go platinum or gold necessarily, but the artist makes more money and sells more CDs that way. CD is still available for sale online and in stores, but selling at shows is a more guaranteed source of income.

And to say that Styx isn't TS' cash cow is a bit foolish. He's certainly got other stuff going on, and Shaw Blades did sell some units and such, but the reality is that TS makes more money from Styx arguably than any other source of income for him.

[Zan]

The *actual* reality is that DDY will sell more CDs at concerts than in stores. Simple math...

Is this the same simple math that was used to originate the theory that Tommy Shaw is only using Styx as a cash cow?

LOL well ... this one is better than that one. The fact that record stores (of the physical kind) don't really move product and online is iffy to track at best. And there will be little to no radio support.

Let's say said artist (Styx or DDY for that matter) plays to 2000 people. Artist plays new songs. People like new songs. CD is for sale for $15 or $20. You can probably turn about a 10% conversion (conservative), selling roughly 200/show. It won't go platinum or gold necessarily, but the artist makes more money and sells more CDs that way. CD is still available for sale online and in stores, but selling at shows is a more guaranteed source of income.

Wow, I would have guessed a lot less than 10%, more like 2 or 3%. I have serious doubts that one out of every ten people is going to buy an artist's CD based on a concert.

And to say that Styx isn't TS' cash cow is a bit foolish. He's certainly got other stuff going on, and Shaw Blades did sell some units and such, but the reality is that TS makes more money from Styx arguably than any other source of income for him.

Never denied it was a good source of income for him. Re-read the question. I'm challenging the professions made by many here that TS' only motivation for fronting Styx is money and using the numbers to back up their own mystical theories. A + B doesn't always = C. Actually, I'm not even really challenging the professions themselves (today) so much as pointing out that "simple math" is just that: Simple. It doesn't mean it's accurate or even in the ball park.

To assume money is TS' only motivation for fronting Styx is a bit presumptuous and is laced with personal feelings, half-educated speculations, and imaginative ideals. Whereas, the concert to store CD sales ratio "facts" might have come from somewhere more credible, hence why I asked.

[StyxCollector]

Wow, I would have guessed a lot less than 10%, more like 2 or 3%. I have serious doubts that one out of every ten people is going to buy an artist's CD based on a concert.

I've seen the suckers ... I mean fans drool at $25 a pop autographed CDs. Don't know why, but they do sell. Also perch merchandising signs like "only available at the concert", and well, P.T. Barnum would be proud.

Never denied it was a good source of income for him. Re-read the question. I'm challenging the professions made by many here that TS' only motivation for fronting Styx is money and using the numbers to back up their own mystical theories. A + B doesn't always = C. Actually, I'm not even really challenging the professions themselves (today) so much as pointing out that "simple math" is just that: Simple. It doesn't mean it's accurate or even in the ball park.

To assume TS' only motivation for fronting Styx is monetary is a bit presumptuous and is laced with personal feelings, half-educated speculations, and imaginative ideals. Whereas, the concert to store CD sales ratios might have been laced with something else, hence why I asked.

Money clearly isn't TS' only motivation. I can see when he's doing new songs (even if I dislike 'em), he's enjoying himself. But money is a nice motivator. He ain't doing it for free. I know it's not that cut and dry (lord knows I do enough in the "industry" so-to-speak), but I don't think it's a stretch to say that Styx provides a lot of the nice things TS has and can do.

Unlike some others here, there are shades of, er, pink at work.

PS - When the artists sells direct, they get a bigger cut, so it's more incentive to sell it at a concert or on their own website ...

[Zan]

Money clearly isn't TS' only motivation. I can see when he's doing new songs (even if I dislike 'em), he's enjoying himself. But money is a nice motivator. He ain't doing it for free. I know it's not that cut and dry (lord knows I do enough in the "industry" so-to-speak), but I don't think it's a stretch to say that Styx provides a lot of the nice things TS has and can do.

Unlike some others here, there are shades of, er, pink at work.

PS - When the artists sells direct, they get a bigger cut, so it's more incentive to sell it at a concert or on their own website ...

Of course. A lot of artists are going the way of sticking it to record labels for that very reason. As the industry changes, we'll see a lot more of that, I suspect. However, you don't have to only sell them at concerts for that to work for you.

I don't think it's a stretch to say Styx provides TS with lots of things he has and can do either. I don't think that was ever called into question. I certainly would be happy to play gigs that pay what he's getting. lol...

[bugsymalone]

Don't completely rule out the power of one well-placed TV appearance on a popular show to boost sales either If there is not a hit single associated, then the sales for an entire CD may be short-lived, but I have seen a lot of evidence of a song being performed on....oh let's say American Idol.... and the single of the original artist will shoot up in sales on iTunes. And sometimes the artist's CD will also rise a bit in online and, if available, store sales.

I am just saying this in general. There is not much chance for either Current Styx or Dennis to get on a show with 30 million viewers.

I agree that website and concert sales are where most of the product is moved, but it was interesting seeing DDY's "Music of Styx" go into the top 200 in sales on Amazon after his appearance on "Duets."


Bugsy

[MtlLady]

Don't expect great things for the CD. Quebecers are very loyal to all things Quebec, and the guy who sang with Dennis is very popular in Quebec so the CD and song did well there. If it was Dennis singing by himself in English, it would have not done as well. Quebec is a different place where the normal trends one sees in the rest of Canada and the US sometimes don't apply there. Radio play was non-existent in the rest of Canada as it will be when it is realeased in the US. I hope I am wrong.

Unfortunately, you are right on the mark about Quebec. It's a little looser in Montreal, but for the rest of Quebec, you're right on.