Another list of bands that should be in HOF

[Grotelul]

Of course no Styx on this list. The Stooges? Huh?



http://www.glidemagazine.com/hiddentrac ... n-the-hof/

[Invisible Cajun]

THREE DOG NIGHT

[StyxCollector]

Actually, most of those picks make sense. Some of his next 10 don't (ELO and New Order for example), but it highlights some really glaring omissions like Jeff Beck. The Yardbirds are in. Clapton is in. Beck is still out there, kicking ass, and innovating.

[Blue Falcon]

Can't argue with anyone on that list, but seeing as how Madonna was inducted purely to attract a ticket-buying public to the event, the HOF continues to show it is a complete sham.

It's a bunch of Rolling Stone writer who sit around debating their favorite bands, which is why Rush and Genesis will never get in, nor Yes.

[LordofDaRing]

....nor Styx, Journey, REO, Boston, etc etc

[StyxCollector]

Rush and Genesis deserve to be in the HOF well before Styx. Gabriel will make it in at some point I bet. And Phil as a solo artist should but won't.

[chowhall]

Rush and Genesis deserve to be in the HOF well before Styx. Gabriel will make it in at some point I bet. And Phil as a solo artist should but won't.

I can't see Rush being any more deserving than Styx. Their music, all though great, was hardly ground breaking. Genesis certainly blazed new trails before the 80's and certainly deserve to be in. In sports, the guys that have the most hits or touchdowns get in(unless they're steroid or gambling kings). The R & R hall of fame should listen to the buying public and put the bands in that the people loved the most. Isn't that what music is all about?

[Ehwmatt]

Rush and Genesis deserve to be in the HOF well before Styx. Gabriel will make it in at some point I bet. And Phil as a solo artist should but won't.

I can't see Rush being any more deserving than Styx. Their music, all though great, was hardly ground breaking. Genesis certainly blazed new trails before the 80's and certainly deserve to be in. In sports, the guys that have the most hits or touchdowns get in(unless they're steroid or gambling kings). The R & R hall of fame should listen to the buying public and put the bands in that the people loved the most. Isn't that what music is all about?

Rush's music was hardly groundbreaking? Are you nuts or just downright uneducated about Rush? Pick your poison. Either way, you are sorely mistaken sir. There is a lot more to Rush than Working Man, Tom Sawyer, Fly By Night, and New World Man... And I love Genesis of all eras too. They should all be in there as far as I'm concerned

[chowhall]

Rush and Genesis deserve to be in the HOF well before Styx. Gabriel will make it in at some point I bet. And Phil as a solo artist should but won't.

I can't see Rush being any more deserving than Styx. Their music, all though great, was hardly ground breaking. Genesis certainly blazed new trails before the 80's and certainly deserve to be in. In sports, the guys that have the most hits or touchdowns get in(unless they're steroid or gambling kings). The R & R hall of fame should listen to the buying public and put the bands in that the people loved the most. Isn't that what music is all about?

Rush's music was hardly groundbreaking? Are you nuts or just downright uneducated about Rush? Pick your poison. Either way, you are sorely mistaken sir. There is a lot more to Rush than Working Man, Tom Sawyer, Fly By Night, and New World Man... And I love Genesis of all eras too. They should all be in there as far as I'm concerned

There's a lot more to rush than Working man...., Like what? Geddy playing pre-recorded synth by pushing a foot pedal on stage? Don't get me wrong, I like Rush and have seen them in concert more than once. But to say that Rush is more deserving than Styx to be in the HOF is specious at best. Their impact is far less on their peers than Styx's has been. Plus, out of the songs you mentioned, only one still gets airplay nationwide. Their music hasn't stood the test of time as well as Styx's has. Now you can argue musicianship, three people putting out the sound of 5 or 6 of other bands or concert experience, but you'd never convince me that they are more deserving than Styx for that honor. The truth is that both of those bands probably won't ever get in because of a lack of credibility with the "critics". If I were king, all three of them would be in.

[StyxCollector]

There's a lot more to rush than Working man...., Like what? Geddy playing pre-recorded synth by pushing a foot pedal on stage? Don't get me wrong, I like Rush and have seen them in concert more than once. But to say that Rush is more deserving than Styx to be in the HOF is specious at best. Their impact is far less on their peers than Styx's has been. Plus, out of the songs you mentioned, only one still gets airplay nationwide. Their music hasn't stood the test of time as well as Styx's has. Now you can argue musicianship, three people putting out the sound of 5 or 6 of other bands or concert experience, but you'd never convince me that they are more deserving than Styx for that honor. The truth is that both of those bands probably won't ever get in because of a lack of credibility with the "critics". If I were king, all three of them would be in.

Let's see ... a band who, for the better part of 30+ years has continued to have success, influenced a generation of musicians (and still do), and still continues to sell new albums, have old hits played on the radio (and more than just Sawyer), and still have integrity. While some of the bands they influenced may not make the hall (Queensryche, Dream Theater), one will - a little band named Metallica.

Styx had a great run from 76/77 to about 83, and frankly, that's it. They've been around as long but haven't had the staying power of Rush. Period.

I would agree that some of their early stuff doesn't hold up as much, but Rush's catalog as a whole has aged well - much better than that of Yes if you ask me.

... and ... for a niche band, Rush has 24 gold albums, 14 platinum, and 3 multiplatinum. They've outsold Styx as well (24 - 25 million vs. roughly 17 - 18 million). Sales alone isn't a measuring stick, but it sure is an apples to apples comparison.

[Ehwmatt]

Rush's influence on the entire progressive rock scene, from Queensryche and DT that StyxCollector mentioned, Marillion, to more modern day bands like Porcupine Tree, spans far and wide. I can understand their music not being everyone's thing, but to sit here and say it was "hardly groundbreaking" is just ignoring objective truth reflected by their influence on a lot of fantastic musicians. I'm not trying to pit Rush against Styx, they should both be in there as far as I'm concerned. I'm a huge Styx fan and I've seen them live 4 times and DeYoung once... still unfortunately haven't caught Rush. So that should tell you I do love Styx a LOT!

I guess a decent analogy would be one of my own "strange" tastes, that I'm a guitar player and get bored to tears listening to most of Hendrix's work. People are astounded when I tell them this, especially the musicians I play with. I'd rather hear Neal Schon's Star Spangled Banner than Hendrix's any day. Nevertheless, I can't deny the objective fact that Hendrix was an influence on many many musicians, including some of my favorites. You have to acknowledge innovation for what it is, if not for it's own worth (or lack thereof) to you.

[Higgy]

Ummm, the Stooges deserve to be in the HOF a hell of a lot more than Styx. As a Styx fan I can say this. If you know your rock history, you would know that there would not have been punk rock as we know it without the Stooges. And punk rock saved rock from Air Supply and The Eagles for about 20 years before rock died anyway.

[chowhall]

Rush's influence on the entire progressive rock scene, from Queensryche and DT that StyxCollector mentioned, Marillion, to more modern day bands like Porcupine Tree, spans far and wide. I can understand their music not being everyone's thing, but to sit here and say it was "hardly groundbreaking" is just ignoring objective truth reflected by their influence on a lot of fantastic musicians. I'm not trying to pit Rush against Styx, they should both be in there as far as I'm concerned. I'm a huge Styx fan and I've seen them live 4 times and DeYoung once... still unfortunately haven't caught Rush. So that should tell you I do love Styx a LOT!

I guess a decent analogy would be one of my own "strange" tastes, that I'm a guitar player and get bored to tears listening to most of Hendrix's work. People are astounded when I tell them this, especially the musicians I play with. I'd rather hear Neal Schon's Star Spangled Banner than Hendrix's any day. Nevertheless, I can't deny the objective fact that Hendrix was an influence on many many musicians, including some of my favorites. You have to acknowledge innovation for what it is, if not for it's own worth (or lack thereof) to you.

I think we agree more than we disagree. I'm afraid mentioning bands like Porcupine Tree is beyond me. I try to listen to new music, but I can only get through 1 out of 3 songs. I just think Styx's influence is at least comparable to Rush's.

[StyxCollector]

I try to listen to new music, but I can only get through 1 out of 3 songs. I just think Styx's influence is at least comparable to Rush's.

Other than their string of multiplatinum albums and somewhat helping to pioneer the power ballad, Styx has had no real lasting impact sans the kitsch of Roboto. You don't hear bands saying how much they were influenced by Styx. You hear it about Rush, the Stooges, etc.

I'm not saying that Styx doesn't deserve to get in - eventually they should. But they wuoldn' t even be in my top 10 to get in right now.

[chowhall]

I try to listen to new music, but I can only get through 1 out of 3 songs. I just think Styx's influence is at least comparable to Rush's.

Other than their string of multiplatinum albums and somewhat helping to pioneer the power ballad, Styx has had no real lasting impact sans the kitsch of Roboto. You don't hear bands saying how much they were influenced by Styx. You hear it about Rush, the Stooges, etc.

I'm not saying that Styx doesn't deserve to get in - eventually they should. But they wuoldn' t even be in my top 10 to get in right now.

I respectfully disagree completely. Foo Fighters, 3 Doors Down, Smashing Pumpkins have all referenced Styx. Whether not a band will reference an uncool band like Styx in an interview doesn't mean those string of multiplatinum albums doesn't influence an upcoming band that wants the success of a band like Styx. We do agree on one thing, Styx isn't even close to the top 10 bands to get in the HOF. Dennis or Tommy will probably have to die and have a post mortum hit to do the trick. As far as influence, in the southern US, I guarantee that Styx has had more influence than the Canadian band Rush.

[stabbim]

Foo Fighters, 3 Doors Down, Smashing Pumpkins have all referenced Styx.

Not to mention Michael Stipe.



Oh, wait...

[StyxCollector]

I respectfully disagree completely. Foo Fighters, 3 Doors Down, Smashing Pumpkins have all referenced Styx.

The Foos (meaning Dave Grohl) have a ton of influences - more Zep than Styx. I've never heard Dave talk about Styx. He is a classic rock guy, but I know he's talked about Rush. Never heard of 3 Doors Down, and the Smashing Pumpkins -blah. They're long out of the public eye even though they're back. And like the Foos, it's more just one guy (Billy Corgan) than a band.

Whether not a band will reference an uncool band like Styx in an interview doesn't mean those string of multiplatinum albums doesn't influence an upcoming band that wants the success of a band like Styx.

Cool or uncool, wanting success has NOTHING to do with Styx being an influence. Everyone who goes into "the business" wants multiplantium albums (and more than one). That's not a unique thing.

As far as influence, in the southern US, I guarantee that Styx has had more influence than the Canadian band Rush.

I don't know about that. Go poll a ton of musicians in known AND unknown bands - especially on bass and drums - and see who their influences are. I don't think John or Chuck Panozzo will even be mentioned. But a certain Mr. Peart and Mr. Lee, you bet your ass.

[chowhall]

As far as influence, in the southern US, I guarantee that Styx has had more influence than the Canadian band Rush.

I don't know about that. Go poll a ton of musicians in known AND unknown bands - especially on bass and drums - and see who their influences are. I don't think John or Chuck Panozzo will even be mentioned. But a certain Mr. Peart and Mr. Lee, you bet your ass.

Just to continue to beat this dead horse, Styx's strength surely is not in the Panozzo brothers. I don't think the most ardent Styx fan would argue the musicianship of Neil and Geddy against John and Chuck. I'll still put Come Sail Away, Renegade, Fooling Yourself, Blue Collar Man, or Suite Madam Blue against anything Rush will throw up there. The songwriting of Styx (or Dennis if you like) is superior to the writings of Rush. I think we are going to agree to disagree. This is a Styx board. I have a preference for Styx although I don't dislike Rush at all. They both should be in the HOF and I will agree that Rush probably has a better chance to get in than Styx. I'm just a fan and have no inside info at all, but I know what I like and I like Styx better than Rush. Does that get them in the HOF? Absolutely not. IF you think Rush is more deserving with all of the Styx memorabilia you own, I applaud you. I don't think my opinion will change. The HOF is a joke and should not be supported until it is a true Hall of Fame and not a popularity contest of elite critics. I'll still put my money on Dennis and Tommy with JY, Chuck and John as supporting players.

[Zan]

I respectfully disagree completely. Foo Fighters, 3 Doors Down, Smashing Pumpkins have all referenced Styx.

The Foos (meaning Dave Grohl) have a ton of influences - more Zep than Styx. I've never heard Dave talk about Styx. He is a classic rock guy, but I know he's talked about Rush. Never heard of 3 Doors Down, and the Smashing Pumpkins -blah. They're long out of the public eye even though they're back. And like the Foos, it's more just one guy (Billy Corgan) than a band.

Whether not a band will reference an uncool band like Styx in an interview doesn't mean those string of multiplatinum albums doesn't influence an upcoming band that wants the success of a band like Styx.

Cool or uncool, wanting success has NOTHING to do with Styx being an influence. Everyone who goes into "the business" wants multiplantium albums (and more than one). That's not a unique thing.

As far as influence, in the southern US, I guarantee that Styx has had more influence than the Canadian band Rush.

I don't know about that. Go poll a ton of musicians in known AND unknown bands - especially on bass and drums - and see who their influences are. I don't think John or Chuck Panozzo will even be mentioned. But a certain Mr. Peart and Mr. Lee, you bet your ass.

[b]Oh god, this crap makes me want to do my funky mime routine on everybody.

But nobody deserves a mime.

Allen, please allow me to take this moment to

[StyxCollector]

IF you think Rush is more deserving with all of the Styx memorabilia you own, I applaud you.

I do. I'm looking at it objectively. Rush is in my top 3 favorite bands, though.

The HOF is a joke and should not be supported until it is a true Hall of Fame and not a popularity contest of elite critics.

And that is a sentiment I can agree with. I don't think anyone who even remotely follows who has and has not gotten in will disagree that the "nomination" process has anything to do with what is important. It's kinda like how you can have a popular election and still lose because it's all about the electoral college.

[Rockwriter]

IF you think Rush is more deserving with all of the Styx memorabilia you own, I applaud you.

I do. I'm looking at it objectively. Rush is in my top 3 favorite bands, though.

The HOF is a joke and should not be supported until it is a true Hall of Fame and not a popularity contest of elite critics.

And that is a sentiment I can agree with. I don't think anyone who even remotely follows who has and has not gotten in will disagree that the "nomination" process has anything to do with what is important. It's kinda like how you can have a popular election and still lose because it's all about the electoral college.

Kinda, but even worse in this instance because at least the voter has a voice in the election process, even though it may not be the deciding voice. The fundamental flaw in the Rock and Roll Hall of Congratulations To Us Because We're Smarter Than You is that it's a closed nomination process and a closed vote in which the public - remember us, the people whose money, in the form of our purchasing decisions, makes the entire music business possible in the first place? - has no voice at all. So what we get is a gross misrepresentation of what's more "important" as perceived through the eyes of a small group of self-proclaimed "elite" critics. The Hall of Fame is just a big self-congratulatory circle jerk . . . with Wenner as the pivot man, LOL.


Sterling

[LordofDaRing]

Sterling hit it right on the head, the old "we know what you guys listened to, but this is what you should have been listening to". There are a lot of people who are in the Hall that should never be there and some who are in there that deserve it but not before Styx or anybobdy else mentioned in this thread. Anybody playing that Patty Smyth best of CD while they read this? Styx, to make up for their "commercial arena Pomp Rock" that the critics hated, would have to kiss Rolling Stones collective asses for several years (publicly endorse all liberal candidates, push for legalization of all drugs, etc) before even being considered for the HOF. Do yourselves a favor and boycott anything to do with Wenner and any of his cronies. Rolling Stone is as out of touch with music as the Academy Awards is to movies or the Grammys to popular music.

[Ehwmatt]

The HOF... what a sham. Fuck Rolling Stone too.

[elmotano]

Rush's influence on the entire progressive rock scene, from Queensryche and DT that StyxCollector mentioned, Marillion, to more modern day bands like Porcupine Tree, spans far and wide. I can understand their music not being everyone's thing, but to sit here and say it was "hardly groundbreaking" is just ignoring objective truth reflected by their influence on a lot of fantastic musicians. I'm not trying to pit Rush against Styx, they should both be in there as far as I'm concerned. I'm a huge Styx fan and I've seen them live 4 times and DeYoung once... still unfortunately haven't caught Rush. So that should tell you I do love Styx a LOT!

I guess a decent analogy would be one of my own "strange" tastes, that I'm a guitar player and get bored to tears listening to most of Hendrix's work. People are astounded when I tell them this, especially the musicians I play with. I'd rather hear Neal Schon's Star Spangled Banner than Hendrix's any day. Nevertheless, I can't deny the objective fact that Hendrix was an influence on many many musicians, including some of my favorites. You have to acknowledge innovation for what it is, if not for it's own worth (or lack thereof) to you.

I think we agree more than we disagree. I'm afraid mentioning bands like Porcupine Tree is beyond me. I try to listen to new music, but I can only get through 1 out of 3 songs. I just think Styx's influence is at least comparable to Rush's.

I have to agree, as a matter of fact, isn't there a post somewhere on this site where Mr Peart admits to being influenced by a Styx song.

[Ehwmatt]

I have to agree, as a matter of fact, isn't there a post somewhere on this site where Mr Peart admits to being influenced by a Styx song.

Wouldn't surprise me. Keep in mind I wouldn't even be here posting if I didn't love Styx. I was merely objecting to the notion that Rush's music wasn't "groundbreaking," and pointing out that it's not hard to find out who Rush influenced, just comb a few interviews of any prominent prog band of the last 20, 25 years or even a lot of good guitarists, drummers, and bassists, and you'll see Rush's name/the individuals tossed about a whole bunch.

[ProgRocker53]

As a pretty big fan of both Rush and Styx, who feels that both are highly influential and incredible bands that should be both in the Hall of Fame....

....Rush owns Styx in almost every single way, except maybe vocals and keyboard playing. The lyrics, songwriting, instrumental ability, concepts, influence, and everything are far more profound and praised in Rush than Styx. Get a crowd of randomly-sampled music diehards together, and ask them what they think of Styx. Half will laugh, some will shrug, a few will like them, and there will be a guy doing the robot. Conversely, ask them what they think of Rush, and most of them will at least respect them, if not like them. There will be a few that will say something to the effect of, "love the instruments, hate the voice." And alot of the musicians there will be either directly or indirectly influenced or inspired by Rush.

[MCM]

There's a lot more to rush than Working man...., Like what? Geddy playing pre-recorded synth by pushing a foot pedal on stage? Don't get me wrong, I like Rush and have seen them in concert more than once. But to say that Rush is more deserving than Styx to be in the HOF is specious at best. Their impact is far less on their peers than Styx's has been. Plus, out of the songs you mentioned, only one still gets airplay nationwide. Their music hasn't stood the test of time as well as Styx's has. Now you can argue musicianship, three people putting out the sound of 5 or 6 of other bands or concert experience, but you'd never convince me that they are more deserving than Styx for that honor. The truth is that both of those bands probably won't ever get in because of a lack of credibility with the "critics". If I were king, all three of them would be in.

Let's see ... a band who, for the better part of 30+ years has continued to have success, influenced a generation of musicians (and still do), and still continues to sell new albums, have old hits played on the radio (and more than just Sawyer), and still have integrity. While some of the bands they influenced may not make the hall (Queensryche, Dream Theater), one will - a little band named Metallica.

Styx had a great run from 76/77 to about 83, and frankly, that's it. They've been around as long but haven't had the staying power of Rush. Period.

I would agree that some of their early stuff doesn't hold up as much, but Rush's catalog as a whole has aged well - much better than that of Yes if you ask me.

... and ... for a niche band, Rush has 24 gold albums, 14 platinum, and 3 multiplatinum. They've outsold Styx as well (24 - 25 million vs. roughly 17 - 18 million). Sales alone isn't a measuring stick, but it sure is an apples to apples comparison.

.... what he said.. few people like Styx more than I, but you've got to give it up to the three (yes, only three) gents from Canada. Remember, they've made those 24 gold, 14 platinum and 3 multiplatinum without the infighting, lineup changes and drama of some other bands, and I belive that in their over 30 year career they've only had one "break" in the production of said music that left the fans in doubt of their return, this not due to issues between band members. They are complete professionals in all respects and if they have personality conflicts you never hear about it.

[I Stumble In]

Styx will never get in because they are a "4" letter word within the music review community. As a whole - they aren't as influential on other artists. They were part of the genre that brought sweeping harmonies (insert Yes, Journey, et al). But I think that Tommy is extremely respected as an musician in the rock community. Look at the people that he has been asked to write and perform for. When I see pics of him and musicians like Slash, EVH, etc.. and then has written for artists like Aerosmith, and has performed for artists like Warren Zevon - I'd have to say that he is well respected. But unfortunately - he is only 1 piece of the whole.
Think about it - DDY hasn't been as requested - and certainly not JY.

[sniper16]

the pop and roll hall of fame is a joke, went there a couple of years after it opened, got a private tour, they had a big madonna display, and some run dmc stuff, had more nirvana than the beatles, was told that they had the kiss love gun stage in storage, never pay money to see this piece of crap sham. got to the nearest hard rock and see the same stuff.
the corprate rock bands will never get the credit they deserve.
and WTF does velvet revolver have to do with VH