In Wisconsin....Styx/Boston & Cosmo/DDY

[chowhall]

Dennis has been waiting paitiently for the remastering of Out On A Day Pass to be completed so that he then can reveal to the media that JY has in fact had a sex change operation.

Yogi,

You're a day late for this news flash.

[sniper16]

i picked up the james young group cd when it came out, for someone who dosent like dennis's influence, its all over that cd.

[Zan]

i picked up the james young group cd when it came out, for someone who dosent like dennis's influence, its all over that cd.

Not really.

[yogi]

Boy Sniper did you hit the nail on the head with Raised By Wolves.

I liked the heck out of that CD. I still give it a listen from time to time.

Anyone who has ever heard Hearts Not The Same , Love & Love Alone & Heaven In Your Heart is listening to JY trying his hardest to get his new group(James Young Group) as Styx sounding as possible. The Styx/DDY sound is there the entire CD.

It is a very good Styx sounding/DDY influenced CD.

[Zan]

Boy Sniper did you hit the nail on the head with Raised By Wolves.

I liked the heck out of that CD. I still give it a listen from time to time.

Anyone who has ever heard Hearts Not The Same , Love & Love Alone & Heaven In Your Heart is listening to JY trying his hardest to get his new group(James Young Group) as Styx sounding as possible. The Styx/DDY sound is there the entire CD.

It is a very good Styx sounding/DDY influenced CD.

Love & Love Alone and Heaven in Your Heart were both written by Glen Burtnik.

[yogi]

CORRECT -

He also wrote Little Suzie & It Takes Love for Styx's Greatest Hits Vol ll CD.

Didnt Glen play with Styx?????? Twice!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Very DDY sounding ballads. Doesnt Hank sing them?? Very DDY sounding.

P.S. He has also played in DDY's solo group. He is sooooooooooooooooo entwined in Styx it's scary!!!

[Zan]

CORRECT -

He also wrote Little Suzie & It Takes Love for Styx's Greatest Hits Vol ll CD.

Didnt Glen play with Styx?????? Twice!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Very DDY sounding ballads. Doesnt Hank sing them?? Very DDY sounding.

P.S. He has also played in DDY's solo group. He is sooooooooooooooooo entwined in Styx it's scary!!!

Uh, YEAH. He did. What does that have to do with the cost of tea in China? Mary Lee Cortes was never in Styx, and she co-wrote "Heaven in Your Heart." I don't get the point. I mean, besides the musical world being small and everyone knowing everyone and tending to use people they've used in the past, etc.

"Styx" sounding is not the same as "DDY" sounding. Well, not to some of us, anyway.

As for Hank Horton, very nice guy - really good musician - he can play most anything. But like any good musician, he goes where the money is. It has little to do with influence. I'm sure if Christina Aguilara's management was willing to pay him more, he'd be outta there like a scalded cat.

[stabbim]

I don't hear anything on RBW that sounds especially DDY-influenced. Certainly not the ballads. "Heart's Not The Same" has a little "Suite Madame Blue" in it, but I think that speaks more to influences that the writers have in common.

[Zan]

I don't hear anything on RBW that sounds especially DDY-influenced. Certainly not the ballads. "Heart's Not The Same" has a little "Suite Madame Blue" in it, but I think that speaks more to influences that the writers have in common.

I could hear more of a Damn Yankees-like sound on that one than Styx, actually. So, I guess that makes it "Styx-like" too. Still not sure where DDY's influence was "all over" this CD, unless you just mean that he pretty much formed Styx in the first place.

[stabbim]

For all DDY's faults (and there are plenty), at least he's not still going around holding a grudge and bad-mouthing his former bandmates. If he was, I'd certainly have a problem with him. Even Tommy gave up on the bashing long ago.

I'm not aware of TS doing any "bashing" in the first place...unless you count his early DY days, but that's not exactly apples vs apples.

[styxfanNH]

Tommy has absolutely taken shots at Dennis. The last one was November 2006 though as they came off tour for the first time, so its been awhile. If I remember right it was something about referring to Dennis when he said that the Styx being needed an appendage removed if Styx was going to continue. The appendage was Dennis.

[Higgy]

For all DDY's faults (and there are plenty), at least he's not still going around holding a grudge and bad-mouthing his former bandmates. If he was, I'd certainly have a problem with him. Even Tommy gave up on the bashing long ago.

I'm not aware of TS doing any "bashing" in the first place...unless you count his early DY days, but that's not exactly apples vs apples.

Oh please! You're fucking kidding right? You aren't fucking serious are you?

What's up Doc?

[Barbara]

Tommy has absolutely taken shots at Dennis. The last one was November 2006 though as they came off tour for the first time, so its been awhile. If I remember right it was something about referring to Dennis when he said that the Styx being needed an appendage removed if Styx was going to continue. The appendage was Dennis.

What do you expect from someone who has the balls to walk off stage, in the middle of a show because he thinks the show is shit?

[stabbim]

For all DDY's faults (and there are plenty), at least he's not still going around holding a grudge and bad-mouthing his former bandmates. If he was, I'd certainly have a problem with him. Even Tommy gave up on the bashing long ago.

I'm not aware of TS doing any "bashing" in the first place...unless you count his early DY days, but that's not exactly apples vs apples.

Oh please! You're fucking kidding right? You aren't fucking serious are you?

Well, I don't know about fucking serious, but I honestly don't recall hearing or reading anything from him since the split that I would consider "bashing." Judging by your post, your mileage almost certainly varies, so if you'd care to cite some examples I'd be happy to be proven wrong.

[StyxCollector]

Bashing is in the eye of the beholder. In the early years of 1999 - 2001 when Tommy was doing most of the interviews he was not always flattering or complimentary, let's just say. DDY wasn't always complimentary of the other guys at all times, either. That interview I did with him put ME in the middle of the shitstorm.

Tommy has slowly allowed JY to do the bulk of the interviews, and even paid DDY a compliment a year or so ago in an interview. So I would say that at this point, TS is not "bashing" Dennis.

[Zan]

Bashing is in the eye of the beholder. In the early years of 1999 - 2001 when Tommy was doing most of the interviews he was not always flattering or complimentary, let's just say. DDY wasn't always complimentary of the other guys at all times, either. That interview I did with him put ME in the middle of the shitstorm.

Tommy has slowly allowed JY to do the bulk of the interviews, and even paid DDY a compliment a year or so ago in an interview. So I would say that at this point, TS is not "bashing" Dennis.

Allen, Higgy, whoever...

Can someone please just site a few examples and be done with it? Not saying it never happened or anything, but this recollection stuff isn't what T asked for. I'm sure you, Allen, of all people have something archived you can quote, then we can all read, enjoy, and beat it to death.

[StyxCollector]

Bashing is in the eye of the beholder. In the early years of 1999 - 2001 when Tommy was doing most of the interviews he was not always flattering or complimentary, let's just say. DDY wasn't always complimentary of the other guys at all times, either. That interview I did with him put ME in the middle of the shitstorm.

Tommy has slowly allowed JY to do the bulk of the interviews, and even paid DDY a compliment a year or so ago in an interview. So I would say that at this point, TS is not "bashing" Dennis.

Allen, Higgy, whoever...

Can someone please just site a few examples and be done with it? Not saying it never happened or anything, but this recollection stuff isn't what T asked for. I'm sure you, Allen, of all people have something archived you can quote, then we can all read, enjoy, and beat it to death.

Remember, I'm not fanning the flames here. I was just pointing out no one was innocent in the early years. And I never said TS was bashing btw - he may have said some things that may have been not the most complimentary, but he never bashed DDY from what I can remember in the way people think he may have.

I'll have to dig through my old links when I get a chance. Although I get off the road for work in late June so chances I'll dig any old interviews up any time soon are slim and none.

[sniper16]

Boy Sniper did you hit the nail on the head with Raised By Wolves.

I liked the heck out of that CD. I still give it a listen from time to time.

Anyone who has ever heard Hearts Not The Same , Love & Love Alone & Heaven In Your Heart is listening to JY trying his hardest to get his new group(James Young Group) as Styx sounding as possible. The Styx/DDY sound is there the entire CD.

It is a very good Styx sounding/DDY influenced CD.

Love & Love Alone and Heaven in Your Heart were both written by Glen Burtnik.

you must be smoking the crack, if you dont think this sounds like a dennis led styx album, esp.. compared to anything jy has released or wrote in the past, and has constantly complained about. justy about any of those songs could have appeared on a styx cd.i didnt know glen wrote those songs. heaven in your heart ,and hearts not the same are excellent, maybe the current styx line up should record these for thier next live/cover lp.

[Zan]

you must be smoking the crack, if you dont think this sounds like a dennis led styx album, esp.. compared to anything jy has released or wrote in the past, and has constantly complained about.

"Especially compared to anything JY has released or wrote in the past?"

So, Raised by Wolves should have sounded like it was written in the late 70s or mid-eighties and that would have been more acceptable to you? Or are you really just saying you have no idea what you're actually talking about, so you had to take the closest guess at which of the "glorious three" it reminds you of the most?

Incidentally, do you think it's even possible to play in the same band for nearly twenty years and not come away with some permanent influence? I'm gonna go with...no. I know making Dennis DeYoung the center of the musical universe is a favorite pastime around here, but I gotta say, I'm definitely not the one hitting the pipe on this one.

justy about any of those songs could have appeared on a styx cd.

Yes. And we all know that Styx IS Dennis, right?

i didnt know glen wrote those songs.

Yeah, I kinda got that vibe.

heaven in your heart ,and hearts not the same are excellent, maybe the current styx line up should record these for thier next live/cover lp.

What? And be accused of stealing Dennis DeYoung's great song concepts? Perish the thought!

[styxfansite]

Has anyone else heard of a rumor tour with INXS and Boston? I was listening to the radio (Steve and DC I think) and they were talking about this tour and how could both groups pull off a successful tour without there lead singers which are both deceased.

Since Styx will be touring with Boston a little, could Styx join Boston and INXS on tour?

[stmonkeys]

Has anyone else heard of a rumor tour with INXS and Boston? I was listening to the radio (Steve and DC I think) and they were talking about this tour and how could both groups pull off a successful tour without there lead singers which are both deceased.

Since Styx will be touring with Boston a little, could Styx join Boston and INXS on tour?

The djs were probably joking. I seriously doubt boston & inxs would ever grace the same stage. they have absolutely nothing in common musically, and i can't see them sharing a tour (even with styx.)

[styxfansite]

Has anyone else heard of a rumor tour with INXS and Boston? I was listening to the radio (Steve and DC I think) and they were talking about this tour and how could both groups pull off a successful tour without there lead singers which are both deceased.

Since Styx will be touring with Boston a little, could Styx join Boston and INXS on tour?

The djs were probably joking. I seriously doubt boston & inxs would ever grace the same stage. they have absolutely nothing in common musically, and i can't see them sharing a tour (even with styx.)

Yeah it might have been a joke but wasn't sure because it wasn't April fools and they weren't laughing about the details. A guy that I work with was in the car with me and he is a big INXS fan and he couldn't believe it either, but anything is possible.

[sniper16]

you must be smoking the crack, if you dont think this sounds like a dennis led styx album, esp.. compared to anything jy has released or wrote in the past, and has constantly complained about.

"Especially compared to anything JY has released or wrote in the past?"

So, Raised by Wolves should have sounded like it was written in the late 70s or mid-eighties and that would have been more acceptable to you? Or are you really just saying you have no idea what you're actually talking about, so you had to take the closest guess at which of the "glorious three" it reminds you of the most?

Incidentally, do you think it's even possible to play in the same band for nearly twenty years and not come away with some permanent influence? I'm gonna go with...no. I know making Dennis DeYoung the center of the musical universe is a favorite pastime around here, but I gotta say, I'm definitely not the one hitting the pipe on this one.

justy about any of those songs could have appeared on a styx cd.

Yes. And we all know that Styx IS Dennis, right?

i didnt know glen wrote those songs.

Yeah, I kinda got that vibe.

heaven in your heart ,and hearts not the same are excellent, maybe the current styx line up should record these for thier next live/cover lp.

What? And be accused of stealing Dennis DeYoung's great song concepts? Perish the thought!

well it sure isnt just jy.
all i said was its the most styx like record he s released,
just as the new DDY cd is the most styx like or commercial if you prefer thing hes released.

[Zan]

well it sure isnt just jy.

I don't think anyone here thinks it was.

all i said was its the most styx like record he s released,
just as the new DDY cd is the most styx like or commercial if you prefer thing hes released.

Um, actually, what you said was:

"i picked up the james young group cd when it came out, for someone who dosent like dennis's influence, its all over that cd."

See, this is how I see it: Certain people here believe that anything remotely resembling the signature Styx sound (whatever that is) is the solely due to Dennis DeYoung. Many of them also believe in their hearts that only Dennis was capable of writing music that wasn't complete and total crap. (hence why you and other nameless lackeys do not see a difference between thinking something is Styx sounding and thinking it has "Dennis all over it."). There are some songs on that CD that have similarities to what I'd associate with a Styx-y sound, yes, but have I ever once felt it had a Dennis influence? Never. What I did think was that Styx was a band that was a sum of its parts, and JY was a big part of that equation. Glen was recruited BY James Young because he himself had a very "Styxlike" sound (again, whatever that is, if it can be pigeon-holed) about his solo work, and they felt he would be a good replacement for Tommy Shaw because of that. Up until Glen joined the band, he never gave Dennis DeYoung a second thought. I promise.

Yet, he had the Styx sound. Isn't it amazing.

My theory as to why City Slicker & Out on a Day Pass sounded nothing like Styx was that it was soon after the split, he wanted to get as far away from that sound as he could. Granted, it didn't work out very well for him, but I'm not sure he cared all that much back then either. This is purely a guess on that front.

[sniper16]

MAYBE I SHOULD HAVE SAID THE STYX INFLUENCE IS ALL OVER THIS CD, WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME JY WROTE A BALLAD.
OTHER THAN THAT I AGREE WITH YOU ON SOME POINTS.
EITHER WAY ITS VERY DIFFERENT THAN ANYTHING JY AHS PRODUCED.
I HAVE THE 2 JY SOLO LPS/CDS AND LIKE THEM.
BUT RAISED BY WOLVES IS A MUST BUY FOR ANY STYX FAN.

I THINK JY/TOMMY/DENNIS ALL WERE INSTRUMENTAL IN THE MOLDING OF STYX.
AND I THINK THEY ALL TRIED TO AVOID THE STYX STYLE UNTIL THE MOST RECENT EFFORTS.

[brywool]

haven't read the topic yet, but this is THE dorkiest picture of Styx I have ever seen....

[brywool]

I don't hear anything on RBW that sounds especially DDY-influenced. Certainly not the ballads. "Heart's Not The Same" has a little "Suite Madame Blue" in it, but I think that speaks more to influences that the writers have in common.

Wasn't the songs that sounded like DDY, it was that guy's voice. Great singer.