New Cain Interview

[larryfromnextdoor]

But Hey SJ I loved SS both CD and LIVE but what do I know.

i love that cd too..

[Saint John]

Something Neal and Jeff evidently have in spades as the album came together in two weeks time, with extra songs to spare.

lol...they could've used those "spades" to dig a hole and bury the money Neal lost with that directionless crap they recorded and pseudo-toured behind. The vast majority of people were there to see Neal...nothing/no one else. You're kidding yourself if you think otherwise.

[ProgRocker53]

Something Neal and Jeff evidently have in spades as the album came together in two weeks time, with extra songs to spare.

lol...they could've used those "spades" to dig a hole and bury the money Neal lost with that directionless crap they recorded and pseudo-toured behind. The vast majority of people were there to see Neal...nothing/no one else. You're kidding yourself if you think otherwise.

You're kidding yourself if you don't think JSS, Mendoza, and Donati don't all have dedicated followings of their own.

[The_Noble_Cause]

lol...they could've used those "spades" to dig a hole and bury the money Neal lost with that directionless crap they recorded and pseudo-toured behind. The vast majority of people were there to see Neal...nothing/no one else. You're kidding yourself if you think otherwise.

Your talk about SS as if they sank or swam based on the quality of their original music, giving little consideration to the fact that the odds were already astronomically stacked against them. No band of that genre is going to make a splash without a huge name attached to it. Even back when it was PlanetUS fronted by Hagar, the odds of mainstream success were slim. Those chances were dashed even further when the band didn't make the Spiderman soundtrack as hoped.
You think if the current Arnel lineup of Journey changed their name, they'd have a shot at radio play or even touring fairs? Of course not.

[Andrew]

Something Neal and Jeff evidently have in spades as the album came together in two weeks time, with extra songs to spare.

lol...they could've used those "spades" to dig a hole and bury the money Neal lost with that directionless crap they recorded and pseudo-toured behind. The vast majority of people were there to see Neal...nothing/no one else. You're kidding yourself if you think otherwise.

Dude, what is your issue with Soto. Let it GO.

If SS were playing to crowds of just 100 people, how do you explain your statement. The whole tour was badly promoted.

[Andrew]

lol...they could've used those "spades" to dig a hole and bury the money Neal lost with that directionless crap they recorded and pseudo-toured behind. The vast majority of people were there to see Neal...nothing/no one else. You're kidding yourself if you think otherwise.

Your talk about SS as if they sank or swam based on the quality of their original music, giving little consideration to the fact that the odds were already astronomically stacked against them. No band of that genre is going to make a splash without a huge name attached to it. Even back when it was PlanetUS fronted by Hagar, the odds of mainstream success were slim. Those chances were dashed even further when the band didn't make the Spiderman soundtrack as hoped.
You think if the current Arnel lineup of Journey changed their name, they'd have a shot at radio play or even touring fairs? Of course not.

Perfectly put.

[Ms_M]

Yup. I think you are right. I have been one to hold on through all of those changes, and the long waits between albums - was '86 to '96 torture, or what?

but I'm not happy with the new line up, and really don't see myself being happy with it.

If you don't want to support the current version of the band, that is perfectly o.k. But, don't you dare hang that '86 to '96 dead period on Cain and Schon. Someone else was to blame for that...and the subsequent versions of the band as well.

I was not hanging it only on them. If I wanted to, however, that would be my choice. Really, I was trying to point out that regardless of how a person feels about any of the latest stuff - the period of "torture" from '86 to '96 was something we could all agree. That's all I'm going to say about this now.

[Red13JoePa]

This thread was doing just fine until you awoke from your Danger Danger with special guest Ted Poley wet dream.

I'll be seeing you dude! Enjoy your vacation!!

In answer of another question raised earlier, TNC is right BOTH Schon and JSS confirmed (Jeff on this site) that Neal sunk 300 large out of his own pocket into getting Soul SirkUs off the ground and making World Play.

The conflict of interest charge was levied by JSS (and he can leap out of the weeds and blast me if I am wrong) and JSS' problem seemed to be the fact that Neal didn't use his pull w/ management to get the band a fair shake, just chiseled his considerable wallet open, hoped for the best (IE the tunes to stand on their own, which for an unestablished band we know in this day and age doesn't work) then when World Play got only limited airplay and no real US release, lost interest and refocused on Journey and cranking Generations out.

For that I sorta don't blame JSS as he seemed to know Soul SirkUs would always be ancillary to Journey, he just wanted more effort AFTER the album was done out of everybody else.

He thought the bands could coexist.

The show I saw was fantastic, did most of World Play, some Journey.

[Saint John]

You're kidding yourself if you don't think JSS, Mendoza, and Donati don't all have dedicated followings of their own.

I can assure you that of the 200 or so people in Chicago that they were virtually all there to see Neal. Funny story, but Donati (and Tito can verify as he was with me) was doing his laundry across the street at the laundromat and had to say "excuse me" to get through the people waiting in line to get in. No one knew who the fuck he was. I've never heard anyone mention Mendoza in my life, and years later after Journey Jeff still can't tour on his own doing the bar circuit. Your argument is bullshit...plain and simple.

[Red13JoePa]

lol...they could've used those "spades" to dig a hole and bury the money Neal lost with that directionless crap they recorded and pseudo-toured behind. The vast majority of people were there to see Neal...nothing/no one else. You're kidding yourself if you think otherwise.

Your talk about SS as if they sank or swam based on the quality of their original music, giving little consideration to the fact that the odds were already astronomically stacked against them. No band of that genre is going to make a splash without a huge name attached to it. Even back when it was PlanetUS fronted by Hagar, the odds of mainstream success were slim. Those chances were dashed even further when the band didn't make the Spiderman soundtrack as hoped.
You think if the current Arnel lineup of Journey changed their name, they'd have a shot at radio play or even touring fairs? Of course not.

Perfectly put.

Ya mean "perfectly put?"

Why in hell would, SHOULD they change their name?
They were Journey with JSS (and Augeri), they remain Journey it is their right, it is their prerogative to do so.

TNC, and AJM, I know you both believe in that philospohy as does SJ and that you were merely making points but dammit.

[Saint John]

lol...they could've used those "spades" to dig a hole and bury the money Neal lost with that directionless crap they recorded and pseudo-toured behind. The vast majority of people were there to see Neal...nothing/no one else. You're kidding yourself if you think otherwise.

Your talk about SS as if they sank or swam based on the quality of their original music, giving little consideration to the fact that the odds were already astronomically stacked against them. No band of that genre is going to make a splash without a huge name attached to it. Even back when it was PlanetUS fronted by Hagar, the odds of mainstream success were slim. Those chances were dashed even further when the band didn't make the Spiderman soundtrack as hoped.
You think if the current Arnel lineup of Journey changed their name, they'd have a shot at radio play or even touring fairs? Of course not.

Had their chance at success been solely "based on the quality of their original music" they still would have been the same colossal failure. You keep deviating from the fact that the final product was uninspired vomit.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Ya mean "perfectly put?"

Why in hell would, SHOULD they change their name?
They were Journey with JSS (and Augeri), they remain Journey it is their right, it is their prerogative to do so.

TNC, and AJM, I know you both believe in that philospohy as does SJ and that you were merely making points but dammit.

It wasn't a directive, it was an illustration that without the Journey namebrand, the band loses any leg up it has in the industry when it comes to airplay or notoriety. Effectively rendering them on equal footing with SoulSirkus or any rudderless band new to the scene.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Had their chance at success been solely "based on the quality of their original music" they still would have been the same colossal failure. You keep deviating from the fact that the final product was uninspired vomit.

Album reminds me very much of HSAS...I love it all the way through.
In fact, I think Neal outsourced most of his strongest hooks to SS and left Generations with the crumbs.

[larryfromnextdoor]

Had their chance at success been solely "based on the quality of their original music" they still would have been the same colossal failure. You keep deviating from the fact that the final product was uninspired vomit.

you have lost it ..this is insulting ..

[larryfromnextdoor]

You're kidding yourself if you don't think JSS, Mendoza, and Donati don't all have dedicated followings of their own.

I can assure you that of the 200 or so people in Chicago that they were virtually all there to see Neal. Funny story, but Donati (and Tito can verify as he was with me) was doing his laundry across the street at the laundromat and had to say "excuse me" to get through the people waiting in line to get in. No one knew who the fuck he was. I've never heard anyone mention Mendoza in my life, and years later after Journey Jeff still can't tour on his own doing the bar circuit. Your argument is bullshit...plain and simple.

mendoza is a MONSTER player.. this guy is amazing.. musicians all over the world know of his skills.. and look up and want to learn his chops just to try to be in his league.. donati inspires people to play, JSS put vocals .. real singing vocals, on the map in his early days.. and still does...

whats funny about washing a shirt?

[Moon Beam]

Holy hellfire, Larry's throwing down some slay.....I ain't to shamed to say I need a drink for this.

[Lula]

Holy hellfire, Larry's throwing down some slay.....I ain't to shamed to say I need a drink for this.

no kidding, moon! i cracked a beer, join me

[larryfromnextdoor]

Holy hellfire, Larry's throwing down some slay.....I ain't to shamed to say I need a drink for this.

hes just hitting the bottle ... SJ is the all around bud .. but when he gets on the Crown..?

let me put it this way.. when SJ starts drinking .. and if he was writing a song.. it would be with gene simmons lyrics.. from the 80's... the ones that every one knows..

hahahahhahahahahahaa

[Moon Beam]

Come on Lad's don't let us ladies down.

Bit cold it be in the land oh Canucks here tonight lady Lula, hope
your a might warmerly than I....love the Av by the way, how that boy has grown.

[DrFU]

Holy hellfire, Larry's throwing down some slay.....I ain't to shamed to say I need a drink for this.

hes just hitting the bottle ... SJ is the all around bud .. but when he gets on the Crown..?

let me put it this way.. when SJ starts drinking .. and if he was writing a song.. it would be with gene simmons lyrics.. from the 80's... the ones that every one knows..

hahahahhahahahahahaa

Suprised you still have working Internet out there in Lubbock to throw down with, Larry; looked like really bad storms earlier...

Gotta give SJ credit for "uninspired vomit"; good phrase, even if he is completely wrongheaded about JSS...

[larryfromnextdoor]

Holy hellfire, Larry's throwing down some slay.....I ain't to shamed to say I need a drink for this.

hes just hitting the bottle ... SJ is the all around bud .. but when he gets on the Crown..?

let me put it this way.. when SJ starts drinking .. and if he was writing a song.. it would be with gene simmons lyrics.. from the 80's... the ones that every one knows..

hahahahhahahahahahaa

Suprised you still have working Internet out there in Lubbock to throw down with, Larry; looked like really bad storms earlier...

Gotta give SJ credit for "uninspired vomit"; good phrase, even if he is completely wrongheaded about JSS...

had golf ball size hail .. was a couple of mean storms.. lubbock is known for 5 things....:

1. hot wind
2. tornados
3. super looking chicks
4. great texas blues guitar
5. i forgot

[JH'sTXfan]

Holy hellfire, Larry's throwing down some slay.....I ain't to shamed to say I need a drink for this.

hes just hitting the bottle ... SJ is the all around bud .. but when he gets on the Crown..?

let me put it this way.. when SJ starts drinking .. and if he was writing a song.. it would be with gene simmons lyrics.. from the 80's... the ones that every one knows..

hahahahhahahahahahaa

Suprised you still have working Internet out there in Lubbock to throw down with, Larry; looked like really bad storms earlier...

Gotta give SJ credit for "uninspired vomit"; good phrase, even if he is completely wrongheaded about JSS...

had golf ball size hail .. was a couple of mean storms.. lubbock is known for 5 things....:

1. hot wind
2. tornados
3. super looking chicks
4. great texas blues guitar
5. i forgot

That darn red dirt. A couple of times a year it has to blow down over us to make sure we get a taste of it too.

[treetopovskaya]

that looks like a hockey cake! yum! }:C))

cant we send this guy away for at least a week???

ahh.. the old days.. when saint dan would give HIMSELF a weeks vacation....

yet that next afternoon was mouthing off again.. aint never had more than

a day and a half self imposed vacation.. dan takes the freak cake! big soccer fan.. too..



bait.....

[Andrew]

You're kidding yourself if you don't think JSS, Mendoza, and Donati don't all have dedicated followings of their own.

I can assure you that of the 200 or so people in Chicago that they were virtually all there to see Neal. Funny story, but Donati (and Tito can verify as he was with me) was doing his laundry across the street at the laundromat and had to say "excuse me" to get through the people waiting in line to get in. No one knew who the fuck he was. I've never heard anyone mention Mendoza in my life, and years later after Journey Jeff still can't tour on his own doing the bar circuit. Your argument is bullshit...plain and simple.

And your bullshit is tiring.

[mistiejourney]

No, he is trying to say no one ELSE saw it. It was here, it was at Journeymusic.com, it was at a few small sites elsewhere. But was it in Rolling Stone, or Maxim or Stuff or Spin or anywhere else?

He wasn't in the band long enough for an announcement to be made....

[larryfromnextdoor]

that looks like a hockey cake! yum! }:C))

31 years ago i was a forward.. i was bad to the bone!! i also played half back..my best friend Emery was my goalie,, he's a rep at Fender now.. and an amazing guitar player!!!!

.... there was a time or 2 .. ... i would be almost alone and running ... and would hum a KISS song (70's) as i was kicking.. it would go inside each time... i tried it while i was bowling with the same ending.. works with lionel richie as well.. ...


Your Matter To Me or Easy Lover.. you can strike.. for the reals..

you can also rule at Karatica ....left side...

[DrFU]

that looks like a hockey cake! yum! }:C))

31 years ago i was a forward.. i was bad to the bone!! i also played half back..my best friend Emery was my goalie,, he's a rep at Fender now.. and an amazing guitar player!!!!

.... there was a time or 2 .. ... i would be almost alone and running ... and would hum a KISS song (70's) as i was kicking.. it would go inside each time... i tried it while i was bowling with the same ending.. works with lionel richie as well.. ...


Your Matter To Me or Easy Lover.. you can strike.. for the reals..

you can also rule at Karatica ....left side...

Were you OUTSIDE during that hailstorm?

[larryfromnextdoor]

that looks like a hockey cake! yum! }:C))

31 years ago i was a forward.. i was bad to the bone!! i also played half back..my best friend Emery was my goalie,, he's a rep at Fender now.. and an amazing guitar player!!!!

.... there was a time or 2 .. ... i would be almost alone and running ... and would hum a KISS song (70's) as i was kicking.. it would go inside each time... i tried it while i was bowling with the same ending.. works with lionel richie as well.. ...


Your Matter To Me or Easy Lover.. you can strike.. for the reals..

you can also rule at Karatica ....left side...

Were you OUTSIDE during that hailstorm?

things a chick would ask for a $1000 chuck....

[DrFU]

that looks like a hockey cake! yum! }:C))

31 years ago i was a forward.. i was bad to the bone!! i also played half back..my best friend Emery was my goalie,, he's a rep at Fender now.. and an amazing guitar player!!!!

.... there was a time or 2 .. ... i would be almost alone and running ... and would hum a KISS song (70's) as i was kicking.. it would go inside each time... i tried it while i was bowling with the same ending.. works with lionel richie as well.. ...


Your Matter To Me or Easy Lover.. you can strike.. for the reals..

you can also rule at Karatica ....left side...

Were you OUTSIDE during that hailstorm?

things a chick would ask for a $1000 chuck....

got me, I guess; having a clueless chick moment here

[larryfromnextdoor]

that looks like a hockey cake! yum! }:C))

31 years ago i was a forward.. i was bad to the bone!! i also played half back..my best friend Emery was my goalie,, he's a rep at Fender now.. and an amazing guitar player!!!!

.... there was a time or 2 .. ... i would be almost alone and running ... and would hum a KISS song (70's) as i was kicking.. it would go inside each time... i tried it while i was bowling with the same ending.. works with lionel richie as well.. ...


Your Matter To Me or Easy Lover.. you can strike.. for the reals..

you can also rule at Karatica ....left side...

Were you OUTSIDE during that hailstorm?

things a chick would ask for a $1000 chuck....

got me, I guess; having a clueless chick moment here

you think i make $100s of dollars a year playing in bar bands because i dress like peter pan?

ok,, that doesnt make sense if your normal.... .. i not outside during the hailstorm... well not all the way ...