Losing faith in Arnel's abilities.

[Carlitto H@kk]

Moving around is good if it is done tastefully, and in time, and dosent distract unless, your Prince or Madonna and thats part of their act

Hey, look at the bright side...
At least he didn't make a complete ass of himself
and jump around all over Ellen's furniture
ala Tom Cruise with Oprah :lol:

Although, if he would've done that, Journey woulda
got MAJOR press!!!
TMZ, The E! Channel, Entertainment Tonight, The Soup...

[brywool]

"the soup"

I love that show

[stevew2]

Moving around is good if it is done tastefully, and in time, and dosent distract unless, your Prince or Madonna and thats part of their act

Hey, look at the bright side...
At least he didn't make a complete ass of himself
and jump around all over Ellen's furniture
ala Tom Cruise with Oprah :lol:

Although, if he would've done that, Journey woulda
got MAJOR press!!!
TMZ, The E! Channel, Entertainment Tonight, The Soup...

That would have been funny, I can see Friga doing that, he s kind of a wack jop like Cruise{almost}

[Greg]

Moving around is good if it is done tastefully, and in time, and dosent distract unless, your Prince or Madonna and thats part of their act

Hey, look at the bright side...
At least he didn't make a complete ass of himself
and jump around all over Ellen's furniture
ala Tom Cruise with Oprah :lol:

Although, if he would've done that, Journey woulda
got MAJOR press!!!
TMZ, The E! Channel, Entertainment Tonight, The Soup...

Hahaha...good point!

I guess my question now is this: Is it suddenly ok to say that his diction is a problem without being accused of being racist? Because honestly, that has been my problem with Arnel all along. I don't care what nationality he is or the color of his skin, if he's singing in Journey he needs to sound professional. I was unimpressed with Separate Ways on the Ellen show. I think Arnel does a pretty good job on the new songs (something Journey needs to be pushing more when they're making TV appearances.)

I think he has a nice sounding voice for the most part, but I still don't see the major improvement that I feel the guy should have at this point. He's been officially in Journey since at least December and he's had quite a few concerts under his belt. I just feel it's a cop out to be blaming things on nerves. The guy's a professional, he shouldn't be nervous singing in front of people...or at least he shouldn't show it.

[stevew2]

Id rather watch him stand there and sing then alkwardlly jumping around like he did,

As much as I hate to post just after you again (not stalking honest) you surely meant that you would rather not watch him perform at all right or are you converting?

Im not converting I meant if I HAVE to watch sing ,Id rather him stand there then run around .You must be stalkin me

[Eric]

I LOVE the new material, especially after Rockline last night.......and Faithfully was stunning. But Separate Ways is leaving me with that continuing thought that I hope they have mended fences with JSS, because he was really yelling a lot it seemed like..

Has Jeremey inputted on this yet?

[Liquid_Drummer]

I wouldnt want the guy to be fired or anything. It would have been nice to find an Arnel that was 25 years old that would have a good 10 years on his voice. If Arnel can still sing like he does now 5 years from now I will lick a butt plug.

Wait.. No I wont....

I will just say... I expected that....

Most males have another voice change in their mid 30's. I could sing the fuck out of Journey's older material (I mean hit the notes) just three years ago. That has changed to where the most comfortable place is with the songs tuned down 1/2 step...

ahh aging....

It sucks !!!

[brywool]

I wouldnt want the guy to be fired or anything. It would have been nice to find an Arnel that was 25 years old that would have a good 10 years on his voice. If Arnel can still sing like he does now 5 years from now I will lick a butt plug.

Wait.. No I wont....

I will just say... I expected that....

Most males have another voice change in their mid 30's. I could sing the fuck out of Journey's older material (I mean hit the notes) just three years ago. That has changed to where the most comfortable place is with the songs tuned down 1/2 step...

ahh aging....

It sucks !!!

Did you ever go to the ENT as I suggested?

[DracIsBack]

I didn't think he was "that bad" ... he's still pretty early on in. I could have done without the theatrics myself, but that's just me. I liked Augeri's stage presence better but Arnel seems to hit those really high parts much stronger than Augeri.

[classicstyxfan]

he's probably the most over-analyzed singer in the history of Rock, and that's just in his 1st few months....

If he isnt classically trained by a vocal coach, he should do so now.....improved breath support will help his intonation, and is a MUST with doing a tour singing this song catalog. as other have said, he will burn out if he's not singing properly. I dont know dates, but if they are smart, they've scheduled 2-3 days minimum between each show for recovery.

a very tough job he has accepted.

[Liquid_Drummer]

I wouldnt want the guy to be fired or anything. It would have been nice to find an Arnel that was 25 years old that would have a good 10 years on his voice. If Arnel can still sing like he does now 5 years from now I will lick a butt plug.

Wait.. No I wont....

I will just say... I expected that....

Most males have another voice change in their mid 30's. I could sing the fuck out of Journey's older material (I mean hit the notes) just three years ago. That has changed to where the most comfortable place is with the songs tuned down 1/2 step...

ahh aging....

It sucks !!!

Did you ever go to the ENT as I suggested?

No because I am lazy and I see it this way. I live in the Ohio Valley which is the allergy capitol of the world. I am not joking about that either. They will prescribe pills or maybe even an operation for my septum deviation and I just dont want to go through either. I will never have a real need to sing that high anymore so I dont plan to go.

All the same it has come back quite a bit as I made it all the way through Sweet And Simple messing about the other day so I am happy with enough at this point. WIsh there was a karaoke version of that song. Its really not that hard to hit that high note late in the song. Its more of a trick really. just a certain way to "squeeze" my throat muscles that I discovered I could do. I cant put any vibrato on it when I am up that high but singing along to that song is the only thing that ever takes me there anyway...

[SteveForever]

I'm really starting to think Neal could have made things right with Steve Perry, somehow.

Puhleaze...... give this up... Neal could NEVER make things right with Steve. Why do people still persist in this pipedream?


Because they will never get back the magic without him. They can go on and tour and limp through and rake in their
couple of million bucks, but they are nothing without him and you can never exhaust me, I'll say it forever.

[finalfight]

Moving around is good if it is done tastefully, and in time, and dosent distract unless, your Prince or Madonna and thats part of their act

Love Prince but vocally he isn't powering anything out and as for Madonna...that's a whole new case FOR lip synching right there!

[finalfight]

he's probably the most over-analyzed singer in the history of Rock, and that's just in his 1st few months....

If he isnt classically trained by a vocal coach, he should do so now.....improved breath support will help his intonation, and is a MUST with doing a tour singing this song catalog. as other have said, he will burn out if he's not singing properly. I dont know dates, but if they are smart, they've scheduled 2-3 days minimum between each show for recovery.

a very tough job he has accepted.

Look where proper and consistent vocal training got Augeri in the end. Granted he had a few good years but still.

[classicstyxfan]

true, but he'll fry the voice much more quickly without using proper technique. I'm not saying he doesn't necessarily, but there is always room for improvement

[classicstyxfan]

true, but he'll fry the voice much more quickly without using proper technique. I'm not saying he doesn't necessarily, but there is always room for improvement

[stevew2]

Moving around is good if it is done tastefully, and in time, and dosent distract unless, your Prince or Madonna and thats part of their act

Love Prince but vocally he isn't powering anything out and as for Madonna...that's a whole new case FOR lip synching right there!

That maybe true, I am just stating dancing is a big part of there performing like M Jackson{when he not plating pocket pull with little asian boys} but not Journey.

[mistiejourney]

I think he sounds great and will only improve. Neal has mentioned that they have not rehearsed much as of yet... Arnel only has 4 shows under his belt. BTW Augeri and JSS were pretty iffy the first couple shows.

Exactly; this is like getting called up to the majors straight from high school. He's got talent; he's got his head screwed on straight; all he needs is experience and support while he learns.

I'm not even into the band as much as I used to be and I think it is still too soon to be making judgements on Arnel. Think about how fast he went from bar band to Journey...I think he needs to relax and BE Arnel and not try so hard.

He has the voice, he has the talent, he just needs to settle into the role and take it on as his.

[Kimmy]

Moving around is good if it is done tastefully, and in time, and dosent distract unless, your Prince or Madonna and thats part of their act

Love Prince but vocally he isn't powering anything out and as for Madonna...that's a whole new case FOR lip synching right there!

That maybe true, I am just stating dancing is a big part of there performing like M Jackson{when he not plating pocket pull with little asian boys} but not Journey.

This is all true, if you are going to be a front man, you have to be able to entertain. It would bore the hell out of me if I went to a concert and the lead just stood there standing still.

[brywool]

Because they will never get back the magic without him. They can go on and tour and limp through and rake in their
couple of million bucks, but they are nothing without him and you can never exhaust me, I'll say it forever.

I will never be 23 (or even 43) again. I've learned not to quit wishing I was.. well, almost.

"They are 'nothing' without Perry"?

What they are without Perry is A WORKING BAND. With Perry, they do NOTHING. No recording. No touring. No ANYTHING- except solo albums. I'd MUCH rather have Journey working and producing new music than NOTHING from a band that gave us great music for years. Cain and Schon are still great songwriters. I'll give you that with Perry there was magic. But to say they are nothing without him... I call bullshit on that.

I'm not ragging on you personally, SteveForever- sorry. I just will never understand people that can't move on and still live in 1986. It's like those people that keep wishing for a Beatles reunion even though half of them are gone.

HERE'S WHAT JOURNEY SHOULD DO TO SATISFY THESE FANS:

Neal, Ross, Jon, Deen:

Run and get the master tapes for Street Talk, I Stand Alone, and For the Love of Strange Medicine. Re-record the instrumental tracks with Perry's original vocals, release it and call it the "reformed Journey". This way, Perry reforms with Journey and, as is his way for the last 10 years, does nothing.

Now, Steve, get the master tapes from Arrival, Remember Me, and Generations. SLOW THE TRACKS DOWN so that they will fit your current vocal range and re-record the lead vocal tracks, presto, another reformed Journey album.

Dang, they could conceivably keep this up forever...

Everybody's happy- except those fans that'd really like to see the band create new music.

I welcome Arnel, Augeri, and even JSS with open arms as long as it means the band is creating new music. Granted, they've just re-recorded a bunch of their greatest hits (which I'm not real thrilled about), but if that's the door they had to walk through for WalMart to allow them to do NEW music, I'm all for it.


in 2008 with Perry, they are NOTHING.

[conversationpc]

What they are without Perry is A WORKING BAND.

Hale-frickin'-lujah!

[FishinMagician]

I think he sounds great and will only improve. Neal has mentioned that they have not rehearsed much as of yet... Arnel only has 4 shows under his belt. BTW Augeri and JSS were pretty iffy the first couple shows.

JSS sucked his first couple shows

[brywool]

I think he sounds great and will only improve. Neal has mentioned that they have not rehearsed much as of yet... Arnel only has 4 shows under his belt. BTW Augeri and JSS were pretty iffy the first couple shows.

JSS sucked his first couple shows

yup. The last show I heard from him was pretty great though.

[SteveForever]

What they are without Perry is A WORKING BAND.

Hale-frickin'-lujah!

Re-recording the hits that Perry made famous is not working, its bait and switch.
I'm all for making new music and going on if Perry didn't want to, but trying to get
Arnel to sing on national television the songs that have been beaten down to the core of the Earth
is ridiculous and even more so having him package them up and peddle them at Wally world.
again...THOSE JOURNEY SONGS ARE NOTHING WITHOUT PERRY, Neal needs to get him back.

[brywool]

What they are without Perry is A WORKING BAND.

Hale-frickin'-lujah!

Re-recording the hits that Perry made famous is not working, its bait and switch.
I'm all for making new music and going on if Perry didn't want to, but trying to get
Arnel to sing on national television the songs that have been beaten down to the core of the Earth
is ridiculous and even more so having him package them up and peddle them at Wally world.
again...THOSE JOURNEY SONGS ARE NOTHING WITHOUT PERRY, Neal needs to get him back.

You're letting your Perrypassion blind you. Of COURSE it's working. Journey is touring and have just written and recorded 11 new tunes, done a huge show in Chile, a show or two in Vegas, done an Ellen show, a Rockline show and is promoting their new album. That IS working.

Meanwhile, Perry is staying home playing with his cats and thinking about doing something. someday. sometime. We're hearing rumors of him in the studio, but he's been in the studio for the last 10 years. He might be creating new music, but until he releases it, it's just rumors.

It would be bait and switch if it said 'original recordings' all over the album. I don't think it does and the band is being VERY vocal about that they are re-recorded hits. They're not trying to hide it.
Perry didn't make those songs famous- JOURNEY did. Perry made Oh Sherrie famous. If Journey recorded that, then you'd have a point. Take comfort in the fact that when this album does sell, once again, Perry will get a cut.

[DracIsBack]

[quote="finalfight"]
Love Prince but vocally he isn't powering anything out quote]


Yeah, but damn, Prince is one HELL of a performer.

[brywool]

Love Prince but vocally he isn't powering anything out quote]


Yeah, but damn, Prince is one HELL of a performer.

monster guitarist.

[ProgRocker53]

Because they will never get back the magic without him. They can go on and tour and limp through and rake in their
couple of million bucks, but they are nothing without him and you can never exhaust me, I'll say it forever.

I will never be 23 (or even 43) again. I've learned not to quit wishing I was.. well, almost.

"They are 'nothing' without Perry"?

What they are without Perry is A WORKING BAND. With Perry, they do NOTHING. No recording. No touring. No ANYTHING- except solo albums. I'd MUCH rather have Journey working and producing new music than NOTHING from a band that gave us great music for years. Cain and Schon are still great songwriters. I'll give you that with Perry there was magic. But to say they are nothing without him... I call bullshit on that.

I'm not ragging on you personally, SteveForever- sorry. I just will never understand people that can't move on and still live in 1986. It's like those people that keep wishing for a Beatles reunion even though half of them are gone.

HERE'S WHAT JOURNEY SHOULD DO TO SATISFY THESE FANS:

Neal, Ross, Jon, Deen:

Run and get the master tapes for Street Talk, I Stand Alone, and For the Love of Strange Medicine. Re-record the instrumental tracks with Perry's original vocals, release it and call it the "reformed Journey". This way, Perry reforms with Journey and, as is his way for the last 10 years, does nothing.

Now, Steve, get the master tapes from Arrival, Remember Me, and Generations. SLOW THE TRACKS DOWN so that they will fit your current vocal range and re-record the lead vocal tracks, presto, another reformed Journey album.

Dang, they could conceivably keep this up forever...

Everybody's happy- except those fans that'd really like to see the band create new music.

I welcome Arnel, Augeri, and even JSS with open arms as long as it means the band is creating new music. Granted, they've just re-recorded a bunch of their greatest hits (which I'm not real thrilled about), but if that's the door they had to walk through for WalMart to allow them to do NEW music, I'm all for it.


in 2008 with Perry, they are NOTHING.

RAAAAAAPE!

Great post bro.

[ProgRocker53]

Love Prince but vocally he isn't powering anything out quote]


Yeah, but damn, Prince is one HELL of a performer.

monster guitarist.

I've just recently begun getting into Prince. Dude's insanely talented. He records most of his own instruments right? AND he has like fifty albums... very prolific.

[brywool]

Love Prince but vocally he isn't powering anything out quote]


Yeah, but damn, Prince is one HELL of a performer.

monster guitarist.

I've just recently begun getting into Prince. Dude's insanely talented. He records most of his own instruments right? AND he has like fifty albums... very prolific.

Unfortunately with Prince, his writing is VERY spotty. Some classics. Some good songs. And some utter utter Shite (and I'm a Prince fan).


Also, One more thing regarding Perry, etc....


The problem Journey has is that the fans WILL NOT LET THE BAND MOVE FORWARD. When I go to a concert by a favorite band, I'm usually let down when all I hear are the radio hits. If I am TRULY a fan of the band, I want to hear what is NEW. If I want to hear the old stuff, I can go listen whenever I want. Journey's gotta a few live albums out and a bazillion bootlegs. I've heard shows from every tour, saw every tour from 79 on and I don't need to hear "Anyway You Want it" ever again. ESPECIALLY if I'm paying 100.00 per ticket. I want to hear something NEW.

Neal and Jon made the comment on Rockline this week Jon: "Some fans don't want to hear new music " and Neal says "some musicians don't like the older tunes, so the new tracks on Revelation are for me" (paraphrased). Right on! Best thing I've heard Neal say in a long long time. It's no secret that the band is sick of the old stuff. LET THEM EVOLVE. Perry ain't there, doesn't mean they're done. Means Perry ain't there but the band goes on.

Check the Calender, it's 2008 folks.