St. John and Tito.

[yulog]

Okay everyone, todays phrase is CONFLICT OF INTEREST

That's the best you've got? Damn, I'm a bit disappointed

Never throw your best out to start with, it leaves you no place to go but down(maybe you can tell me about going down?)

[Lula]

Bump around for the past week downscaling Jeff's and Perry's accomplishments and talents

I have not "downscaled" Perry's accomplishments in any way. Unless my saying he's the "greatest singer I've ever heard" counts. The only thing I know about Jeff is that he's a highly accessible artist that's great to his fans. Any "accomplishments" I refer to are these things called facts. No hits, no recognizable bands fronted, and no radio play. Period. I'm done here.

I agree with SJ on this. There are tons of talented singers, writers, actors, and musicians out there, but unless you've been embraced by the masses does it really matter? If they don't know who you are then they'll never know the depths of your talent. Vice versa, just because they know who you are is no indicator of talent. PARIS HILTON ANYBODY?

am i understanding this right, scarygirl, you're saying if an artist is not "embraced by the masses" their work does not matter?

[Lula]

divide and conquer..

hmmmmm, you might be on to something there

[Saint John]

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No, in a "veiled" attempt he is telling those of us fans who Jeff was "good to" that we are wrong with thinking he is any kind of talent who deserves our respect or following.

Several problems here:

1) If I had something to tell you, I would. It wouldn't be veiled.

2) I never said Jeff didn't have talent, and I certainly have no problem with you respecting and following his career.

3) The problem of "calling out" people arises when he's mentioned in the same breath as Perry and Mercury and when he's thought of as better than Elliott, Kimball and/or Cronin.

[Lula]

the way you and dan go off on perry and soto looks to be nothing other than an ass kissing to current jrny for meet and greets.... pretty pathetic imo.

I have never fawned over any band or band member. I've been to a few meet and greets. Honestly, I didn't say 3 words. I keep my music influences at arm's length. Ross sat next to me in Vegas...I said a few words and left him alone. I saw Cain 3 times...never said a word to the man. I saw Deen, chatted for all of 20 seconds and stepped away. I was invited to the actual room of one of the remaining 2 members and declined. In the past, I've given away after-show passes to people that I thought would enjoy them more. I understand they (band members)want their privacy at times, and especially away from "work." Which is exactly why I stay away from their tour bus, don't crash their after show dinners, don't go to sound checks (though I did do one in Chicago as it was open to the public), stay away from their hotel rooms, and don't want to "hang" with them. A chance encounter in a public place? Sure.

my apologies.

[FormerJrnyFan]

I AM NOT BLASTING JSS. I am critizing unreasonable ACCOMPLISHMENTS from the FANS. He isn't that bad, I've said that. But, he's not this big superstar everyone makes him out to be. That is all I am saying. You guys can like him all you want, I don't care.

Dude, you better run for cover, here comes JSS fans and they are now after you.

Oh damn! Put on yer gloves, Tito - I'm ready to go. Chicago ain't where I wanna be - but if it's for a worthy cause

Hey FrmrJrnyFan, just curious about you name....? Are you still supporting the current Journey? I don't wanna dig on your old post. Looks like our names are just the complete opposite.

Oh damn.. talk about opening the 'ol can of worms!

- Journey (SP) fan
- Augeri fan
- Got pissed at both the band and him re: tapegate
- Forgave them
- Felt that JSS was a new beginning for the band
- Totally blown away and disappointed by the way that the band handled the whole dismissal of Jeff
- Vowed never to pay money for anything Journey ever again

[Andrew]

Re-opening this. I didn't have time to read properly this morning and it seems to be rolling along ok. Let's keep it that way though please...if anyone has anything else to add...

[StevePerryHair]

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No, in a "veiled" attempt he is telling those of us fans who Jeff was "good to" that we are wrong with thinking he is any kind of talent who deserves our respect or following.

Several problems here:

1) If I had something to tell you, I would. It wouldn't be veiled.

2) I never said Jeff didn't have talent, and I certainly have no problem with you respecting and following his career.

3) The problem of "calling out" people arises when he's mentioned in the same breath as Perry and Mercury and when he's thought of as better than Elliott, Kimball and/or Cronin.

Well then I have several problems:

1) If telling us over and over how you never meet musicians and that you only know that Jeff is good to his fans has nothing to do with a veiled insult on those of us who he has been good to, what is your purpose of repeating that.

2) Good, cause I have no problem with you respecting and following Arnel, who I happen to think is a talent, though not a superstar either.

3) If some of us feel moved by him as a musician the same way Perry lovers and Mercury lovers are moved by their voices, then why have a problem or want to call us out? I don't see why we need called out.

4) and I'll add a 4, I still love ya Dan but this crap your spewing needs to stop. You don't need to keep tearing down the man's career

[Behshad]

I just realized that both Arnel and Augeri had a dozen of Top 40 hits before they joined Journey. So THATS why Jeff gets so much shit for only having couple of Top 40 hits overseas......

[YoungJRNY]

Sorry Lynn or whoever else.. but, Dan or Tito is doing no wrong here. So what if Dan takes a dig at JSS occasionally in a post? From what I've read it isn't meant to be ground-breaking to really take offense to it. I've seen much worse around here the 2years I was here, and whatever Dan said about " Mr. Relief Pitcher" was kindergarten stuff compared to what some people has said about Augeri, Neal, Arnel, or Jon. How is it any different? People took their lashings from one another..so take it for what it's worth and take yours also. When something is said that no one likes around here..watch out.

Granted, anyone can like whoever they choose to like, and if you think Nick Carter is God given talent, then hot damn are you going to argue it till the day you die that..Nick Carter is god given talent! It's how you feel, and no one will ever take that away from you. That's the thing we call freedom in America. (Well, sorta.. )

For me? In my mind JSS..(musically), I will forever look at JSS as being nothing more than a hands down very talented musician that simply eats out the hands of the coast. Outside of the American coastline, JSS is NOT known and really isn't that much up to par than what some people make him out to be. OF course he's one hell of a singer..but come on..without the publicity of Journey there would of been more than a handful of people that still wouldn't know what JSS stood for, including myself. I know most people are good friends with him, which should be a pleasure..and that's why it's such a touchy subject. But when I read someone flying out the handle once something so easy is said about him makes me cringe. It's no different than what any other musician goes through when opened up to criticism. Take the licks as they may.

It's funny when it was said that in a nutshell that JEFF SHOULD NOW BE OFF-LIMITS because he's OUT OF THE BAND, MOVED ON, WE ARE HAPPY and that it's time to stop belitting his career.

Good, so the same can be said about Mr.Augeri, and Mr. Perry also. And we all know to this day both of them take the ass pounding of the century. Jeff was apart of the band for little time..leaving him up for criticisms amongst fans. I see no harm in what Dan did/is doing.

[StevePerryHair]

Sorry Lynn or whoever else.. but, Dan or Tito is doing no wrong here. So what if Dan takes a dig at JSS occasionally in a post? From what I've read it isn't meant to be ground-breaking to really take offense to it. I've seen much worse around here the 2years I was here, and whatever Dan said about " Mr. Relief Pitcher" was kindergarten stuff compared to what some people has said about Augeri, Neal, Arnel, or Jon. How is it any different? People took their lashings from one another..so take it for what it's worth and take yours also. When something is said that no one likes around here..watch out.

Granted, anyone can like whoever they choose to like, and if you think Nick Carter is God given talent, then hot damn are you going to argue it till the day you die that..Nick Carter is god given talent! It's how you feel, and no one will ever take that away from you. That's the thing we call freedom in America. (Well, sorta.. )

For me? In my mind JSS..(musically), I will forever look at JSS as being nothing more than a hands down very talented musician that simply eats out the hands of the coast. Outside of the American coastline, JSS is NOT known and really isn't that much up to par than what some people make him out to be. OF course he's one hell of a singer..but come on..without the publicity of Journey there would of been more than a handful of people that still wouldn't know what JSS stood for, including myself. I know most people are good friends with him, which should be a pleasure..and that's why it's such a touchy subject. But when I read someone flying out the handle once something so easy is said about him makes me cringe. It's no different than what any other musician goes through when opened up to criticism. Take the licks as they may.

It's funny when it was said that in a nutshell that JEFF SHOULD NOW BE OFF-LIMITS because he's OUT OF THE BAND, MOVED ON, WE ARE HAPPY ans that it's time to stop belitting his career.

Good, so the same can be said about Mr.Augeri, and Mr. Perry also. And we all know to this day both of them take the ass pounding of the century. Jeff was apart of the band for little time..leaving him up for criticisms amongst fans. I see no harm in what Dan did/is doing.

Well that's just the thing Travis. You guys think it is because people are "friends" with him that he is put up on this pedestal. It's just not true. I loved his talent before I ever met him. And he isn't what I interpret as a "friend" anyway. He is an aquaintance to me. Someone who I will support because I happen to enjoy his music. It's fine you don't regard him as high as some do. You don't have to. And Dan can say anything he wants obviously. The problem has been reading it over and over and over and over the last couple of weeks. It's not a comment here or there. And he is not just saying he doesn't think Jeff is that great, he has also bashed his career and his success. It is belittling. Jeff is a board member here. I just don't see the point of it all.

[(Crazy)Dulce Lady]

Jeff doesn't care squat about any of this. His Lakers won, I have to wear a LA shirt to his show, he's DOING 2 shows soon-that is huge, he's got a new cd, he's already mapped out future stuff.

journey doesn't care squat about any of this. their new cd is being released, they've got tour dates out the wazoo, tv shows, radio shows, meet and greets to survive (i'll be calm--naaaaaah, no i won't. hehe) etc.

who cares? some like him some don't so what. our opinions about who is better, who had hits, who sounds like who, blah blah. both entities have shut up and sung and now we need to shut up and listen and give each one it's own space. they are not reallllllllly related. there's no need to choose sides. but i've preached this sermon before. just a short recap for ya.

imho.

just a thought, HS taught me that there are LOTS and LOTS of good players/singers/bands that are worth listening to that have little or no media attention. and I'm one of them!!! sundays nights, this summer, in the park, by the bay, band music, marches, show tunes, etc. be there!! hehe. you comin, panther????? maybe we should plan a chica weekend for MY gig!!! ha!!! you on your way, THP?

[(Crazy)Dulce Lady]

Sorry Lynn or whoever else.. but, Dan or Tito is doing no wrong here. So what if Dan takes a dig at JSS occasionally in a post? .

not pickin on Dan but there is no reason for anyone to take a dig at anyone. evah. that goes for all of us. all the time. in all situations. play nice. live and let live.

[Behshad]

Sorry Lynn or whoever else.. but, Dan or Tito is doing no wrong here. So what if Dan takes a dig at JSS occasionally in a post? From what I've read it isn't meant to be ground-breaking to really take offense to it. I've seen much worse around here the 2years I was here, and whatever Dan said about " Mr. Relief Pitcher" was kindergarten stuff compared to what some people has said about Augeri, Neal, Arnel, or Jon. How is it any different? People took their lashings from one another..so take it for what it's worth and take yours also. When something is said that no one likes around here..watch out.

Granted, anyone can like whoever they choose to like, and if you think Nick Carter is God given talent, then hot damn are you going to argue it till the day you die that..Nick Carter is god given talent! It's how you feel, and no one will ever take that away from you. That's the thing we call freedom in America. (Well, sorta.. )

For me? In my mind JSS..(musically), I will forever look at JSS as being nothing more than a hands down very talented musician that simply eats out the hands of the coast. Outside of the American coastline, JSS is NOT known and really isn't that much up to par than what some people make him out to be. OF course he's one hell of a singer..but come on..without the publicity of Journey there would of been more than a handful of people that still wouldn't know what JSS stood for, including myself. I know most people are good friends with him, which should be a pleasure..and that's why it's such a touchy subject. But when I read someone flying out the handle once something so easy is said about him makes me cringe. It's no different than what any other musician goes through when opened up to criticism. Take the licks as they may.

It's funny when it was said that in a nutshell that JEFF SHOULD NOW BE OFF-LIMITS because he's OUT OF THE BAND, MOVED ON, WE ARE HAPPY ans that it's time to stop belitting his career.

Good, so the same can be said about Mr.Augeri, and Mr. Perry also. And we all know to this day both of them take the ass pounding of the century. Jeff was apart of the band for little time..leaving him up for criticisms amongst fans. I see no harm in what Dan did/is doing.

Listen ,
Its one thing for St John and Tito to cast their opinion,,,, but to repeat themselves OVER and OVER again, just to upset people, is getting old. This isnt even about opinions anymore. Its flat out bashing a very talented musician. Someone who SAVED Journey when they most needed to be saved.

Jeff is NOT off-limit,,but whats the purpose of these 2 to come here EVERY day and put Jeff down? We got it the first 20 times....
And you stand corrected when I tell you that outside US coasts Jeff IS well known,, both in Europe and Japan and South Americas....

[NealIsGod]

Its one thing for St John and Tito to cast their opinion,,,, but to repeat themselves OVER and OVER again, just to upset people, is getting old. This isnt even about opinions anymore. Its flat out bashing a very talented musician.

How ironic coming from you.

[Behshad]

Its one thing for St John and Tito to cast their opinion,,,, but to repeat themselves OVER and OVER again, just to upset people, is getting old. This isnt even about opinions anymore. Its flat out bashing a very talented musician.

How ironic coming from you.

Fuck off. Ironic enough for you ?

[NealIsGod]

Its one thing for St John and Tito to cast their opinion,,,, but to repeat themselves OVER and OVER again, just to upset people, is getting old. This isnt even about opinions anymore. Its flat out bashing a very talented musician.

How ironic coming from you.

Fuck off. Ironic enough for you ?

Struck a nerve, huh?

[ProgRocker53]

Its one thing for St John and Tito to cast their opinion,,,, but to repeat themselves OVER and OVER again, just to upset people, is getting old. This isnt even about opinions anymore. Its flat out bashing a very talented musician.

How ironic coming from you.

Sorry B but I saw this one coming. It was lobbed up there like a beach ball.

[Behshad]

Its one thing for St John and Tito to cast their opinion,,,, but to repeat themselves OVER and OVER again, just to upset people, is getting old. This isnt even about opinions anymore. Its flat out bashing a very talented musician.

How ironic coming from you.

Fuck off. Ironic enough for you ?

Struck a nerve, huh?

nah,,, just trying to be completely ironic for you.
I never BASHED 'the musician" , I always had some valid questions and they have been answered. Besides," the musician" I supposedly bashes defended himself here and did fine with or without any cheerleaders help

[StevePerryHair]

Its one thing for St John and Tito to cast their opinion,,,, but to repeat themselves OVER and OVER again, just to upset people, is getting old. This isnt even about opinions anymore. Its flat out bashing a very talented musician.

How ironic coming from you.

Fuck off. Ironic enough for you ?

Struck a nerve, huh?

nah,,, just trying to be completely ironic for you.
I never BASHED 'the musician" , I always had some valid questions and they have been answered. Besides," the musician" I supposedly bashes defended himself here and did fine with or without any cheerleaders help

It's ironic too that Jeremey gets more respect and more defense around here and anyone with an opinion on him gets SLAMMED yet we are told to shut up and let Dan have his opinions and spew things left and right.

[JH'sTXfan]

Neither one of them deserves to be slandered or harassed.

[Panther]

Jeff doesn't care squat about any of this. His Lakers won, I have to wear a LA shirt to his show, he's DOING 2 shows soon-that is huge, he's got a new cd, he's already mapped out future stuff.

journey doesn't care squat about any of this. their new cd is being released, they've got tour dates out the wazoo, tv shows, radio shows, meet and greets to survive (i'll be calm--naaaaaah, no i won't. hehe) etc.

who cares? some like him some don't so what. our opinions about who is better, who had hits, who sounds like who, blah blah. both entities have shut up and sung and now we need to shut up and listen and give each one it's own space. they are not reallllllllly related. there's no need to choose sides. but i've preached this sermon before. just a short recap for ya.

imho.

just a thought, HS taught me that there are LOTS and LOTS of good players/singers/bands that are worth listening to that have little or no media attention. and I'm one of them!!! sundays nights, this summer, in the park, by the bay, band music, marches, show tunes, etc. be there!! hehe. you comin, panther????? maybe we should plan a chica weekend for MY gig!!! ha!!! you on your way, THP?

Talk about sending me into a screetchin halt! The park? Yer shittin me!? Just let me know when and I am so there, twisted in tow. Oooo.... And THAT venue allows me to bring the dang camera! I'll have you known by all (as if you weren't already) before the summer is done! >insert marquee< Crazy Deb... Now Playin Near You! Wuuuuuuuu

[treetopovskaya]

amen! }:C)

hs = howie simon? he is pretty awesome on the guitar... nice vocals as well... rock on howie! }:C)) yep... there are lots of bands playing smaller gigs... just undiscovered mega talent. look tho who is getting radio play... most of it is just garbage. thanks goodness for mp3s, media players, cds... etc! }=C)

augeri got compared to perry.

howie gets compared to yngwie

it is what it is. yngwie surely picked up his style from someone. perry picked his from sam cooke.

Jeff doesn't care squat about any of this. His Lakers won, I have to wear a LA shirt to his show, he's DOING 2 shows soon-that is huge, he's got a new cd, he's already mapped out future stuff.

journey doesn't care squat about any of this. their new cd is being released, they've got tour dates out the wazoo, tv shows, radio shows, meet and greets to survive (i'll be calm--naaaaaah, no i won't. hehe) etc.

who cares? some like him some don't so what. our opinions about who is better, who had hits, who sounds like who, blah blah. both entities have shut up and sung and now we need to shut up and listen and give each one it's own space. they are not reallllllllly related. there's no need to choose sides. but i've preached this sermon before. just a short recap for ya.

imho.

just a thought, HS taught me that there are LOTS and LOTS of good players/singers/bands that are worth listening to that have little or no media attention. and I'm one of them!!! sundays nights, this summer, in the park, by the bay, band music, marches, show tunes, etc. be there!! hehe. you comin, panther????? maybe we should plan a chica weekend for MY gig!!! ha!!! you on your way, THP?

[Behshad]

amen! }:C)

hs = howie simon? he is pretty awesome on the guitar... nice vocals as well... rock on howie! }:C)) yep... there are lots of bands playing smaller gigs... just undiscovered mega talent. look tho who is getting radio play... most of it is just garbage. thanks goodness for mp3s, media players, cds... etc! }=C)

augeri got compared to perry.

howie gets compared to yngwie

it is what it is. yngwie surely picked up his style from someone. perry picked his from sam cooke.

Jeff doesn't care squat about any of this. His Lakers won, I have to wear a LA shirt to his show, he's DOING 2 shows soon-that is huge, he's got a new cd, he's already mapped out future stuff.

journey doesn't care squat about any of this. their new cd is being released, they've got tour dates out the wazoo, tv shows, radio shows, meet and greets to survive (i'll be calm--naaaaaah, no i won't. hehe) etc.

who cares? some like him some don't so what. our opinions about who is better, who had hits, who sounds like who, blah blah. both entities have shut up and sung and now we need to shut up and listen and give each one it's own space. they are not reallllllllly related. there's no need to choose sides. but i've preached this sermon before. just a short recap for ya.

imho.

just a thought, HS taught me that there are LOTS and LOTS of good players/singers/bands that are worth listening to that have little or no media attention. and I'm one of them!!! sundays nights, this summer, in the park, by the bay, band music, marches, show tunes, etc. be there!! hehe. you comin, panther????? maybe we should plan a chica weekend for MY gig!!! ha!!! you on your way, THP?

Howie can get compared to Yngwie all he wants to,, but Yngwie is still better..... not that Howie isnt good but he isnt as good as Yngwie....
You can tell that Howie is influenced by Yngwie,,
Yngwie was of course influenced not only but Hendrix and Blackmoore, but also Pagannini , Beethoven and Bach,,,,,

[Andrew]

It's ironic too that Jeremey gets more respect and more defense around here and anyone with an opinion on him gets SLAMMED yet we are told to shut up and let Dan have his opinions and spew things left and right.

Dan has been told to reel it in and I believe he is doing that.

[Saint John]

yet we are told to shut up and let Dan have his opinions and spew things left and right.

The only thing Dan "spews" are facts and figures. You guys simply have a hard time facing the truth. I state facts and statistics. I have never called Jeff a bad name or gotten personal. It's all good, though.

[ScarabGator]

yet we are told to shut up and let Dan have his opinions and spew things left and right.

The only thing Dan "spews" are facts and figures. You guys simply have a hard time facing the truth. I state facts and statistics. I have never called Jeff a bad name or gotten personal. It's all good, though.

AMEN BROTHER!!!! As one of the "cheerleaders" I must give a BIG F OFF to someone posting on this thread...."it" knows who they are.

[Andrew]

Keep it on track guys....lots of folks reading this forum....personal stuff can go to PM please.

[ScarabGator]

Keep it on track guys....lots of folks reading this forum....personal stuff can go to PM please.

sorry Andrew. Some folks dont believe in letting a sleeping dog lie.

[Saint John]

Keep it on track guys....lots of folks reading this forum....personal stuff can go to PM please.

The brand new Saint John has no problem staying on track. Take care, boss.