OT: Chickenfoot. Thoughts?

[Barb]

doesn't over indulge

Cabo Wabo Tequila?

Great stuff! You can drink without getting so wasted you can't perform and enjoy yoursef. Sam has a good time and stays healthy.

[Tito]

5150 - 6 platinum.
OU812 - 4 platinum
F.U.C.K. - 3 platinum (thought this did better).
Balance - 3 platinum (thought it was only double, but cool).

Also,

5150 - 4 platinum (amount of OU812) on 1/18/89, not even 3 years after it's release.
ou812 didn't hit 4 platinum until May 2004, 16 years after it's release
F.U.C.K and Balance have been out 17 and 13 years, respectively, and still haven't hit that.

In addition to, and this is where my Hagar solo career being a little overrated comment comes from:

Dave had 3 platinum records (Crazy from The Heat, Eat'em.., Skyscraper) and 1 gold (Little Ain't Enough).

Sam had 2 platinum (VOA and Standing Hampton) and 3 gold (self titled, Three Lock Box, and Unboxed).

So, they roughly sold the same amount of solo albums. Everyone blasts Roth solo career and hypes Hagar solo career,
but at the end of the day, there was only a slight difference.

[Tito]

doesn't over indulge

Cabo Wabo Tequila?

Great stuff! You can drink without getting so wasted you can't perform and enjoy yoursef. Sam has a good time and stays healthy.

You seen his gut lately.

[Tito]

I did NOT say he wasn't any good. I like him (excluding his sh-t talking interviews).

In the arena of "VH Shit-Talking", EVH opened that can of worms, throwing shots at Sammy
long before Sammy ever shot back. And over the past few years, Sammy has been pretty classy, yet honest,
when speaking of VH and EVH and just not beating around the bush when it comes to talking about Eddie's
multiple personalities, dependencies and short comings of late.

I thought I read Hagar's father was a drunk, so shouldn't he be understanding about Eddie.

[Barb]

doesn't over indulge

Cabo Wabo Tequila?

Great stuff! You can drink without getting so wasted you can't perform and enjoy yoursef. Sam has a good time and stays healthy.

You seen his gut lately.

Last time I saw him, he was very fit and running around the stage like a kid. That was about a year ago, so not sure what he's got going on as of today.

[Carlitto H@kk]

5150 - 6 platinum.
OU812 - 4 platinum
F.U.C.K. - 3 platinum (thought this did better).
Balance - 3 platinum (thought it was only double, but cool).

Also,

5150 - 4 platinum (amount of OU812) on 1/18/89, not even 3 years after it's release.
ou812 didn't hit 4 platinum until May 2004, 16 years after it's release
F.U.C.K and Balance have been out 17 and 13 years, respectively, and still haven't hit that.

In addition to, and this is where my Hagar solo career being a little overrated comment comes from:

Dave had 3 platinum records (Crazy from The Heat, Eat'em.., Skyscraper) and 1 gold (Little Ain't Enough).

Sam had 2 platinum (VOA and Standing Hampton) and 3 gold (self titled, Three Lock Box, and Unboxed).

So, they roughly sold the same amount of solo albums. Everyone blasts Roth solo career and hypes Hagar solo career, but at the end of the day, there was only a slight difference.

Again, you're basing someone's "career" or if they are "overrated" off off record sales/material gains.

The sales drop-off of each Hagar-era album can easily be
attributed to the major change in the musical landscape of the
late 80's and early 90's... Remember that thing called "Grunge"???
ALL 80's-era rock acts had major drop-offs in record sales, aside from maybe
Bon Jovi and Aerosmith.

Also, while DD's and Hagar's solo efforts are close in sales, DD
can't TOUCH sammy when it came to the amount of time spent touring and actually
performing. The fact that Sammy has toured and performed non-stop
for the past 20-some years while DD went into obscurity, doing time as
a radio talk-show host and an EMT speaks VOLUMES of who is a little bit overrated.

You think DD would be performing ANYWHERE right now had this VH reunion not happened?
And you think Hagar is living off the VH days?
At least Hagar has a steady career AWAY from VH.
That can't be said about DD...

[Carlitto H@kk]

I did NOT say he wasn't any good. I like him (excluding his sh-t talking interviews).

In the arena of "VH Shit-Talking", EVH opened that can of worms, throwing shots at Sammy
long before Sammy ever shot back. And over the past few years, Sammy has been pretty classy, yet honest,
when speaking of VH and EVH and just not beating around the bush when it comes to talking about Eddie's
multiple personalities, dependencies and short comings of late.

I thought I read Hagar's father was a drunk, so shouldn't he be understanding about Eddie.

Maybe he was...
Thus the reason Hagar knows when to jump off the sinking ship.

[sniper16]

chickenfoot'
im more of a breast man, terrible name
i smell this being a modern(grunge/downtuned) sounding band hope not
sammys solo career was solid he headlined for years on the west coast, and did 3 tours on the east doing solid numbers
as for vh/vhagar sales, yes the sammy era sold more upfront but the dave era stuff was when platimun was considered huge, it was nothing in the late 80s/early 90s for a band to sell 6/8 million.
and dont run down daves solo years at least he made promoters money on the eat em/skyscraper /a little tours
vh lost loads on monsters

[X factor]

5150 - 6 platinum.
OU812 - 4 platinum
F.U.C.K. - 3 platinum (thought this did better).
Balance - 3 platinum (thought it was only double, but cool).

Also,

5150 - 4 platinum (amount of OU812) on 1/18/89, not even 3 years after it's release.
ou812 didn't hit 4 platinum until May 2004, 16 years after it's release
F.U.C.K and Balance have been out 17 and 13 years, respectively, and still haven't hit that.

In addition to, and this is where my Hagar solo career being a little overrated comment comes from:

Dave had 3 platinum records (Crazy from The Heat, Eat'em.., Skyscraper) and 1 gold (Little Ain't Enough).

Sam had 2 platinum (VOA and Standing Hampton) and 3 gold (self titled, Three Lock Box, and Unboxed).

So, they roughly sold the same amount of solo albums. Everyone blasts Roth solo career and hypes Hagar solo career, but at the end of the day, there was only a slight difference.

Again, you're basing someone's "career" or if they are "overrated" off off record sales/material gains.

The sales drop-off of each Hagar-era album can easily be
attributed to the major change in the musical landscape of the
late 80's and early 90's... Remember that thing called "Grunge"???
ALL 80's-era rock acts had major drop-offs in record sales, aside from maybe
Bon Jovi and Aerosmith.

Also, while DD's and Hagar's solo efforts are close in sales, DD
can't TOUCH sammy when it came to the amount of time spent touring and actually
performing. The fact that Sammy has toured and performed non-stop
for the past 20-some years while DD went into obscurity, doing time as
a radio talk-show host and an EMT speaks VOLUMES of who is a little bit overrated.

You think DD would be performing ANYWHERE right now had this VH reunion not happened?
And you think Hagar is living off the VH days?
At least Hagar has a steady career AWAY from VH.
That can't be said about DD...

Absolutely, and you can't measure QUALITY is sales! Shit, Brittany Spears has sold more than both of em , but does that mean her stuff is worth a shit? Lemmee answer that for you...NO!
Take a look at the arc of the man's career- Montrose, solo artist, HSAS, VH, Wabos- the man is a quality artist with a TON of classic tunes in his bag of tricks.Roth is a fine front man...Sammy is an artist! End of discussion...

[Carlitto H@kk]

Tito fixed his link, caseclosed

[Saint John]

Didn't the Hagar era of VH sell more records than the Diamond Dave era?

Yes...worldwide they sure did. Not to mention that Roth's era had the benefit of selling it on vinyl, then cassette and then CD. You have so many of those sales being the same people simply buying the product again. Hagar's incarnation sold more albums, had more hits, and was a legit act (not some freak in leotards jumping around like Elton John on ecstasy). Hagar's version of Van Halen was much better than Roth and his carnival worker antics.

[Tito]

5150 - 6 platinum.
OU812 - 4 platinum
F.U.C.K. - 3 platinum (thought this did better).
Balance - 3 platinum (thought it was only double, but cool).

Also,

5150 - 4 platinum (amount of OU812) on 1/18/89, not even 3 years after it's release.
ou812 didn't hit 4 platinum until May 2004, 16 years after it's release
F.U.C.K and Balance have been out 17 and 13 years, respectively, and still haven't hit that.

In addition to, and this is where my Hagar solo career being a little overrated comment comes from:

Dave had 3 platinum records (Crazy from The Heat, Eat'em.., Skyscraper) and 1 gold (Little Ain't Enough).

Sam had 2 platinum (VOA and Standing Hampton) and 3 gold (self titled, Three Lock Box, and Unboxed).

So, they roughly sold the same amount of solo albums. Everyone blasts Roth solo career and hypes Hagar solo career, but at the end of the day, there was only a slight difference.

Again, you're basing someone's "career" or if they are "overrated" off off record sales/material gains.

The sales drop-off of each Hagar-era album can easily be
attributed to the major change in the musical landscape of the
late 80's and early 90's... Remember that thing called "Grunge"???
ALL 80's-era rock acts had major drop-offs in record sales, aside from maybe
Bon Jovi and Aerosmith.

Also, while DD's and Hagar's solo efforts are close in sales, DD
can't TOUCH sammy when it came to the amount of time spent touring and actually
performing. The fact that Sammy has toured and performed non-stop
for the past 20-some years while DD went into obscurity, doing time as
a radio talk-show host and an EMT speaks VOLUMES of who is a little bit overrated.

You think DD would be performing ANYWHERE right now had this VH reunion not happened?
And you think Hagar is living off the VH days?
At least Hagar has a steady career AWAY from VH.
That can't be said about DD...

Absolutely, and you can't measure QUALITY is sales! Shit, Brittany Spears has sold more than both of em , but does that mean her stuff is worth a shit? Lemmee answer that for you...NO!
Take a look at the arc of the man's career- Montrose, solo artist, HSAS, VH, Wabos- the man is a quality artist with a TON of classic tunes in his bag of tricks.Roth is a fine front man...Sammy is an artist! End of discussion...

Dave Era VH blows Sammy's away. Listen to any rock station, you will hear the entire album of VH1 and 1984. VHII comes pretty close too. 5150 is as close as it gets for Sam. So, the quality category goes to Dave.

[conversationpc]

Dave Era VH blows Sammy's away. Listen to any rock station, you will hear the entire album of VH1 and 1984. VHII comes pretty close too. 5150 is as close as it gets for Sam. So, the quality category goes to Dave.

I became a huge VH fan during the Sammy era, particularly because of "5150". However, I now slightly prefer the DLR era. That being said, the DLR era does not BLOW away the Sammy era by any stretch of the imagination.

I still cannot get enough of the "Live Without a Net" DVD. The band had so much energy on that tour.

[Tito]

The sales drop-off of each Hagar-era album can easily be
attributed to the major change in the musical landscape of the
late 80's and early 90's... Remember that thing called "Grunge"???
ALL 80's-era rock acts had major drop-offs in record sales, aside from maybe
Bon Jovi and Aerosmith.

That's kind of a stretch. OU812 had time to sell. FUCK a little as well. I'll give you Balance, to an extent, but at that point Van Halen was in the category of Aerosmith and Bon Jovi. Don't underestimate Van Halen (man, you're either overestimating or underestimating things. Can't you judge ). Like I originally stated, Balance did a little better than I realized. But going back to that mid-90s era, at that point, fans like me were coalescing around the survivors i.e. VH, Aerosmith, and Jovi. I loved 5150, but was cool towards the followups until Balance. That's when I really started to get into VH and Hagar stuff again. So, in a weird way, that era may have helped VH. Only the strong survived.

[Tito]

Didn't the Hagar era of VH sell more records than the Diamond Dave era?

Yes...worldwide they sure did. Not to mention that Roth's era had the benefit of selling it on vinyl, then cassette and then CD. You have so many of those sales being the same people simply buying the product again. Hagar's incarnation sold more albums, had more hits, and was a legit act (not some freak in leotards jumping around like Elton John on ecstasy). Hagar's version of Van Halen was much better than Roth and his carnival worker antics.

Where's your proof. That whole people purchasing multiple copies is overhyped. I'll give you 5 million or so copies for Roth. But, he still outsold. As a matter of fact, I have only repurchased 4 titles ever (cassette and CD) of any group/artist, and ironically one of the four was 5150. So, deduct one from Hagar's total.

Edit: 1984 sold 5 million copies by Jan. 1985, are you telling me, every single person repurchased it on CD.

[Carlitto H@kk]

The sales drop-off of each Hagar-era album can easily be
attributed to the major change in the musical landscape of the
late 80's and early 90's... Remember that thing called "Grunge"???
ALL 80's-era rock acts had major drop-offs in record sales, aside from maybe
Bon Jovi and Aerosmith.

That's kind of a stretch. OU812 had time to sell. FUCK a little as well. I'll give you Balance, to an extent, but at that point Van Halen was in the category of Aerosmith and Bon Jovi. Don't underestimate Van Halen (man, you're either overestimating or underestimating things. Can't you judge ). Like I originally stated, Balance did a little better than I realized. But going back to that mid-90s era, at that point, fans like me were coalescing around the survivors i.e. VH, Aerosmith, and Jovi. I loved 5150, but was cool towards the followups until Balance. That's when I really started to get into VH and Hagar stuff again. So, in a weird way, that era may have helped VH. Only the strong survived.

OU812 suffered from shitty production; worst sounding VH album ever. And FUCK suffered cause it was out right at the begining of the Grunge/Alternative wave; Hell, AIC opened for them on some of that tour. And Balance never had a chance....

[Tito]

OU812 suffered from shitty production; worst sounding VH album ever. And FUCK suffered cause it was out right at the begining of the Grunge/Alternative wave; Hell, AIC opened for them on some of that tour. And Balance never had a chance....

OU812, not Roth's fault.
Disagree, about the era of FUCK. In 1991, grudge was still in its infancy. The hair metal bands were still king. FUCK went #1, which was preceded by...Skid Row. There were even new bands still popping up in this year. They won the Grammy for best hard rock band that year and were all over the '91 MTV video awards. So, your overstating (there you go again) grudge in '91.

[Carlitto H@kk]

OU812 suffered from shitty production; worst sounding VH album ever. And FUCK suffered cause it was out right at the begining of the Grunge/Alternative wave; Hell, AIC opened for them on some of that tour. And Balance never had a chance....

OU812, not Roth's fault.
Disagree, about the era of FUCK. In 1991, grudge was still in its infancy. The hair metal bands were still king. FUCK went #1, which was preceded by...Skid Row. There were even new bands still popping up in this year. They won the Grammy for best hard rock band that year and were all over the '91 MTV video awards. So, your overstating (there you go again) grudge in '91.

Not overstating anything.
FUCK suffered from the Grunge/Alternative movement.
It came out at the begining of that phase, did well right out of the box
but then sales of this genre dwindled over the following years due to the
massive popularity of different musical genres.
It coulda been Roth or Hagar at the helm; records sells would've still dipped.

BTW, I forgot 2 other 80's era bands that were able to still do well
in the 90's: Metallica and Megadeth.

[Dirq Van]

Dave had 3 platinum records (Crazy from The Heat, Eat'em.., Skyscraper) and 1 gold (Little Ain't Enough).

Sam had 2 platinum (VOA and Standing Hampton) and 3 gold (self titled, Three Lock Box, and Unboxed).

So, they roughly sold the same amount of solo albums.
Everyone blasts Roth solo career and hypes Hagar solo career, but at the end of the day, there was only a slight difference.

Sammy sold records as a solo artist
DLR sold records as VH's ex-singer

ps
I love Sam & Dave

[conversationpc]

Tito, fix that damn link in your post so we don't have to scroll for an hour to the right just to read everything.

[Tito]

You didn't say please. I deleted the link, so I did my part. Others need to adjust their posts to fix.

[conversationpc]

You didn't say please. I deleted the link, so I did my part. Others need to adjust their posts to fix.

Hmmm...The text in the other posts should automatically wrap. Not sure why don't fix themselves.

Anyway, thanks for the effort despite my lack of courtesy.

[Magwheels]

Anything Sammy is a must have for me. Maybe tootintequila would be a better name though.

[ProgRocker53]

Is anyone else remotely aware how much of a landmark hard rock release this is going to be?

I'm jonesing for it so hard already.

[StoneCold]

I'm sure it'll be good but frankly, I don't want more Zeppelin. Can't wait to hear it either way.

[cyndy!]

i'm giddy with anticipation over this!

[piecesofeight]

Didn't the Hagar era of VH sell more records than the Diamond Dave era?

Yes...worldwide they sure did. Not to mention that Roth's era had the benefit of selling it on vinyl, then cassette and then CD. You have so many of those sales being the same people simply buying the product again. Hagar's incarnation sold more albums, had more hits, and was a legit act (not some freak in leotards jumping around like Elton John on ecstasy). Hagar's version of Van Halen was much better than Roth and his carnival worker antics.

I'm a fan of both of those era's of Van Halen..I am a DLR fan and Sammy fan..DLR..he is one of the 'out there' dudes that I really like..Sammy..damn did that dude SING the hell out of many of that era VH songs! While I liked many songs from both of those VH era's..overall I liked more from the Sammy era..damn if they didn't have hit after hit of good stuff..amazing how many hits they had from both DLR and Sammy..that doesn't happen too often..all I know is that with all of that..some great music came about..when I made a mixed 'cd'S' of those era's of Van Halen..I ended up with like three cd's total..
I also enjoyed many solo songs from both Sammy and DLR..those two camps today can be VERY divided..but that's one area where I really like both..

[Shadowsong]

Ooooh
makes me hungry!

Yeah
Red Hot Chicken Wings

[piecesofeight]

Ooooh
makes me hungry!

Yeah
Red Hot Chicken Wings

Red ROCKER Hot Chicken Wings..

[JrnySuxBalls]

Yeah, me too. Should have been Planet US.

Agreed. Planet US would have been incredible with both Neal and Satch. Hey Sammy, give Neal a call.

Don't hold your breath, Neal rocks out about once every decade. We already got SS. Maybe in 2011?