CBS Sunday Morning..

[Barb]

My point was that CBS did this story because of Arnel and that was their focus.

You got all that from a TV Guide description, eh?
Those descriptions are written to the piece, not the other way around.
Behind the scenes in the CBS editing room, I'm sure there were a million different ways to frame it.
Of course the new singer was always going to factor heavily, but that doesn't necessitate disregarding the past eight years of trying to inch out of Perry's long shadow.
Way to hit the re-set button!

Since I've never seen Journey on a CBS news special for any other lead singer change, I assume they were interested in Arnel's rags to riches story and that is why they did the piece.

[Barb]

Sorry, but the ONLY reason this was on TV was to tell Arnel's story. It had nothing to do with Journey's new CD or the history of the band or anything else. The only story here is Arnel's discovery and his rags to riches tale. Any glossing over of Perry's departure, Augeri's time with the band, or JSS had to do with the 9 minute running time and the focus of the story being Arnel being plucked from obscurity to front a legendary rock band.

That is how I took it too.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Sorry, but the ONLY reason this was on TV was to tell Arnel's story. It had nothing to do with Journey's new CD or the history of the band or anything else. The only story here is Arnel's discovery and his rags to riches tale. Any glossing over of Perry's departure, Augeri's time with the band, or JSS had to do with the 9 minute running time and the focus of the story being Arnel being plucked from obscurity to front a legendary rock band.

I don't care how deep into Journey's back pocket you may be with NWA royalty rainchecks, you are not going to get me to believe this CBS piece coincided with the new album by sheer happenstance.
You think it was also accidental timing on the part of the Ellen show?
How about the media blizkrieg that accompanied Arrival?
Jeremey, as a long time poster, moreover as a fan, please tell me you are not this retarded.

[piecesofeight]

I just watched, and all I want to say is God bless Arnel Pineda.

Is that your cute little kitten..

No, I wish!

Ha..ha..you changed your AV..to many questions about the cute little kitten..

[Jeremey]

I don't care how deep into Journey's back pocket you may be with NWA royalty rainchecks, you are not going to get me to believe this CBS piece coincided with the new album by sheer happenstance.
You think it was also accidental timing on the part of the Ellen show?
How about the media blizkrieg that accompanied Arrival?
Jeremey, as a long time poster, moreover as a fan, please tell me you are not this retarded.

My point is the ONLY reason CBS morning did a story and Ellen did a story is because of Arnel! Do you really think if Journey had a new CD out with Augeri or JSS that either show would have been interested? Please tell me you are not that retarded. Of course the timing coincided with the release of the CD. I think you're overanalyzing what I said. My point was - This was not Behind The Music part II. This was a story about Arnel's rags to riches story in the internet age. Duh...Why would they cover that if Journey didn't have product to sell? Surely you understand what I'm talking about.

[Barb]

I don't care how deep into Journey's back pocket you may be with NWA royalty rainchecks, you are not going to get me to believe this CBS piece coincided with the new album by sheer happenstance.
You think it was also accidental timing on the part of the Ellen show?
How about the media blizkrieg that accompanied Arrival?
Jeremey, as a long time poster, moreover as a fan, please tell me you are not this retarded.

My point is the ONLY reason CBS morning did a story and Ellen did a story is because of Arnel! Do you really think if Journey had a new CD out with Augeri or JSS that either show would have been interested? Please tell me you are not that retarded. Of course the timing coincided with the release of the CD. I think you're overanalyzing what I said. My point was - This was not Behind The Music part II. This was a story about Arnel's rags to riches story in the internet age. Duh...Why would they cover that if Journey didn't have product to sell? Surely you understand what I'm talking about.

Ellen was raving about Arnel being discovered on You Tube way before we even knew they'd be on. Arnel's story is what is sparking interest, not Journey.

[Pelata]

I saw alot of revisionist history in their recall of Augeri and Soto.


Revisionist History #1: When they talked about wanting to go back out on the road, but didn't have a singer....WTF was that about? They had a singer! His name was Soto. They basically ditched him (but just forgot to tell him to his face).

Revisionist History#2: Augeri and Soto didn't capture the magic.? Whether you or I personally liked what they did or not, I remember them both having a pretty decent fan following. No present day singer in this band will have a Perry-era following. Why try to portray that Arnel is now THE shit, when Augeri and Soto were also both portrayed the same way, in THEIR tenure?

Revisionist History#3: Ross said "the magic is back". Made it sound like Perry just brought all his songwriting experience and vocal prowess back to the band. Truth is....Arnel hasn't written jack with them yet and his vocal prowess is not yet road tested for even one lousy tour. I always thought "the magic" that all the Journeymen used to fondly speak of was the songwriting partnership of Cain, Perry and Schon.

It's 2008 folks....time for this year's take on Journey's "history".

I agree with this assessment.

I understand it's all about promoting JRNY as they are now, but this revisionist history thing is annoying. And "the magic is back"??? Back???? They had magic with Augeri for 8 damn years and tossed it when he got sick.

Magic, my ass...only if "magic" is now defined as "a young guy who can keep my old ass on the road 8 more years".

[The_Noble_Cause]

My point is the ONLY reason CBS morning did a story and Ellen did a story is because of Arnel! Do you really think if Journey had a new CD out with Augeri or JSS that either show would have been interested?

If they signed a lucrative distribution deal with the Waltons, America's richest family, as they have done with Arnel, then yes.
In fact, I think they'd be doing the same rounds of publicity regardless of their singer - including yourself.
If I recall correctly, the re-recorded hits idea was already in the making with JSS.
I figured the band floundered in the howling wildnerness with 'Generations' and 'Red 13' because they went at it alone.
With "Revelation," they once again have a well-heeled backer.

Please tell me you are not that retarded. Of course the timing coincided with the release of the CD. I think you're overanalyzing what I said. My point was - This was not Behind The Music part II. This was a story about Arnel's rags to riches story in the internet age. Duh...Why would they cover that if Journey didn't have product to sell? Surely you understand what I'm talking about.

Ok. Then we're in agreement.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Ellen was raving about Arnel being discovered on You Tube way before we even knew they'd be on.

That's false.
She mentioned the band making a future appearance the very same day she cooed about him. Clearly, Azoff had already struck a deal.
Besides, bulldykes usually only listen to Ramstein.

Arnel's story is what is sparking interest, not Journey.

Uh-huh.
And Augeri appeared on Access hollywood, Blind Date, CBS Early Show and Direct TV, because the producers were simply riveted by his wealth of knowledge on indoor retail plumbing.
How fucking naive.

[Pelata]

JRNY is on TV because of Azoff...

[Jeremey]

I understand it's all about promoting JRNY as they are now, but this revisionist history thing is annoying. And "the magic is back"??? Back???? They had magic with Augeri for 8 damn years and tossed it when he got sick.

Magic, my ass...only if "magic" is now defined as "a young guy who can keep my old ass on the road 8 more years".

The band had struggled for many years with a singer in poor vocal health and had to eventually resort to becoming a Madonna-like stage show with prerecorded vocals and front of house trickery. However you feel about him, JSS' short tenure in the band didn't vocally replicate what those in the band obviously felt was their traditional signature sound. I think the point was that they felt re-energized with a familiar and capable sound behind the microphone that they didn't have to worry was going to crap out from one night to the next.

[The_Noble_Cause]

The band had struggled for many years with a singer in poor vocal health and had to eventually resort to becoming a Madonna-like stage show with prerecorded vocals and front of house trickery. However you feel about him, JSS' short tenure in the band didn't vocally replicate what those in the band obviously felt was their traditional signature sound. I think the point was that they felt re-energized with a familiar and capable sound behind the microphone that they didn't have to worry was going to crap out from one night to the next.

Jeremey, while its noble of you to try to absolve the sins of the father, it shouldn't be your (or any fans') responsibility.
At one point, Neal said Jeff was singing those songs better than anyone since the 80's.
Whenever Neal wants to drop the iron curtain and give Andy a no-holds-barred interview/apology about Jeff and Tapegate, he knows his number.
After all, isn't one of the twelve steps to sobriety to make "a list of all persons we had harmed, and became willing to make amends to them all."

This is not an attempt at gallows humor, I am dead fucking serious.

[slucero]

"...any press is better than no press at all...."

[Barb]

Ellen was raving about Arnel being discovered on You Tube way before we even knew they'd be on.

That's false.
She mentioned the band making a future appearance the very same day she cooed about him. Clearly, Azoff had already struck a deal.
Besides, bulldykes usually only listen to Ramstein.

Arnel's story is what is sparking interest, not Journey.

Uh-huh.
And Augeri appeared on Access hollywood, Blind Date, CBS Early Show and Direct TV, because the producers were simply riveted by his wealth of knowledge on indoor retail plumbing.
How fucking naive.

How lame for me or anyone else to have an opinion inferior to yours. Of course yours is right. It's always right.

[stevew2]

The band had struggled for many years with a singer in poor vocal health and had to eventually resort to becoming a Madonna-like stage show with prerecorded vocals and front of house trickery. However you feel about him, JSS' short tenure in the band didn't vocally replicate what those in the band obviously felt was their traditional signature sound. I think the point was that they felt re-energized with a familiar and capable sound behind the microphone that they didn't have to worry was going to crap out from one night to the next.

Jeremey, while its noble of you to try to absolve the sins of the father, it shouldn't be your (or any fans') responsibility.
At one point, Neal said Jeff was singing those songs better than anyone since the 80's.
Whenever Neal wants to drop the iron curtain and give Andy a no-holds-barred interview/apology about Jeff and Tapegate, he knows his number.
After all, isn't one of the twelve steps to sobriety to make "a list of all persons we had harmed, and became willing to make amends to them all."

This is not an attempt at gallows humor, I am dead fucking serious.

I agree with you,even a mention that they might have over toured just like they did with Perry would have helped it along for me.It was pretty much all about Arnel, and Im actually glad it was now that I watched it.He was geniune unlike the no tear Friga crying spell on the Behind The Music interveiws.

[conversationpc]

Did anyone see the final segment of the ABC evening news tonight? They did a spot that was mostly about the new Boston lead singer and they also mentioned Journey.

[piecesofeight]

Did anyone see the final segment of the ABC evening news tonight? They did a spot that was mostly about the new Boston lead singer and they also mentioned Journey.

The spot on Boston..was part of what aired this morning on ABC's Good Morning America..

[Melissa]

Missed the Boston one, dangit.

DVR'ed the Journey one & just watched it. Sucked how JSS & Augeri's names weren't even mentioned, just their pics up there together for a couple of seconds & that's it.

However, Arnel's story & the way he spoke about his mother were amazing. Wish him the best. Looking forward to hearing the cd Tuesday.

[Luvsaugeri]

Assorted thoughts....

Arnel came off as a very sincere guy. Charming and suprisingly English fluent, an impression I wasn't left with after the severe hemming and hawing in the Rockline interview.

Not sure how heavy an influence Perry's gang of shysters had regarding this, but his mark seems all over it. Like VH1 BTM, it was produced and written decisively favoring one side of history. There's a mention of the band waiting a year for him to get hip surgery and throwing him out, but absolutely no mention of him holding up the works since ROR.

Ross came off absolutely shameless in his attempts to marry Journey-now to Journey-then.
Practically falling over himself to make the dishonest claim that the band is now "picking up right where it left off" and finally the "magic is back."
Way to sell the past decade of your life down the river, Ross.

Since Arnel came into the fold, the band has given up it's 1998 rationale for moving on in the first place - that the band was larger than the sum of its parts.
Instead, Jon, Ross, and Neal have resigned themselves to the idea that they were nothing more than King Perry's fiddlers three.
It is as self-destructive a PR approach as I have ever witnessed.

Also, the reporter/producer was totally out of bounds in saying the band didn't capture the magic with their last two singers (as two blurry thumbnails of JSS and SA graced the screen). When Arnel's album bombs or fails to meet expectations, will his era be just as unceremoniously relegated to the gutter heap?
If this gloss-over approach to Steve Augeri initiated from management on down (as is likely), it should give fans a clue as to just what unsavory characters we are dealing with here.

I just watched the youtube of this and I pretty much agree with this opinion to a T. I loved the Arnel part and I'm liking him more and more. But the rest of them?? Same old comments.....new singer. No respect for SA or JSS in my opinion.

And Jon's comment about Arnel making him a better person......ya think?? Holy shit.....it doesn't take much to make you a better person!!

I truly hope they don't treat Arnel the same way they have everyone else. SA is one of the nicest people on the planet and they had no problem throwing him under the bus.

For a segment that was supposed to be focused on Arnel....they sure spent alot of time on SP.

[frfksakes]

Missed the Boston one, dangit.

Not where I can watch it, but this might be the spot....

Boston Gets New Lead Singer (Tommy Decarlo)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=JfrsGmf2oGM

[Melissa]

Missed the Boston one, dangit.

Not where I can watch it, but this might be the spot....

Boston Gets New Lead Singer (Tommy Decarlo)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=JfrsGmf2oGM

Cool, thanks! Quite a story! I wonder how involved Michael Sweet will stay.

[Onestepper]

Assorted thoughts....

Arnel came off as a very sincere guy. Charming and suprisingly English fluent, an impression I wasn't left with after the severe hemming and hawing in the Rockline interview.

Not sure how heavy an influence Perry's gang of shysters had regarding this, but his mark seems all over it. Like VH1 BTM, it was produced and written decisively favoring one side of history. There's a mention of the band waiting a year for him to get hip surgery and throwing him out, but absolutely no mention of him holding up the works since ROR.

Ross came off absolutely shameless in his attempts to marry Journey-now to Journey-then.
Practically falling over himself to make the dishonest claim that the band is now "picking up right where it left off" and finally the "magic is back."
Way to sell the past decade of your life down the river, Ross.

Since Arnel came into the fold, the band has given up it's 1998 rationale for moving on in the first place - that the band was larger than the sum of its parts.
Instead, Jon, Ross, and Neal have resigned themselves to the idea that they were nothing more than King Perry's fiddlers three.
It is as self-destructive a PR approach as I have ever witnessed.

Also, the reporter/producer was totally out of bounds in saying the band didn't capture the magic with their last two singers (as two blurry thumbnails of JSS and SA graced the screen). When Arnel's album bombs or fails to meet expectations, will his era be just as unceremoniously relegated to the gutter heap?
If this gloss-over approach to Steve Augeri initiated from management on down (as is likely), it should give fans a clue as to just what unsavory characters we are dealing with here.

I just watched the youtube of this and I pretty much agree with this opinion to a T. I loved the Arnel part and I'm liking him more and more. But the rest of them?? Same old comments.....new singer. No respect for SA or JSS in my opinion.

And Jon's comment about Arnel making him a better person......ya think?? Holy shit.....it doesn't take much to make you a better person!!

I truly hope they don't treat Arnel the same way they have everyone else. SA is one of the nicest people on the planet and they had no problem throwing him under the bus.

For a segment that was supposed to be focused on Arnel....they sure spent alot of time on SP.

Finally a segment that speaks to the real issues with the band. The Arnel story was the hook. The true history of how things have progressed (or not) is what the reality of it all ends up documenting. I'm content with the segment.

[lights1961]

Assorted thoughts....

Arnel came off as a very sincere guy. Charming and suprisingly English fluent, an impression I wasn't left with after the severe hemming and hawing in the Rockline interview.

Not sure how heavy an influence Perry's gang of shysters had regarding this, but his mark seems all over it. Like VH1 BTM, it was produced and written decisively favoring one side of history. There's a mention of the band waiting a year for him to get hip surgery and throwing him out, but absolutely no mention of him holding up the works since ROR.

Ross came off absolutely shameless in his attempts to marry Journey-now to Journey-then.
Practically falling over himself to make the dishonest claim that the band is now "picking up right where it left off" and finally the "magic is back."
Way to sell the past decade of your life down the river, Ross.

Since Arnel came into the fold, the band has given up it's 1998 rationale for moving on in the first place - that the band was larger than the sum of its parts.
Instead, Jon, Ross, and Neal have resigned themselves to the idea that they were nothing more than King Perry's fiddlers three.
It is as self-destructive a PR approach as I have ever witnessed.

Also, the reporter/producer was totally out of bounds in saying the band didn't capture the magic with their last two singers (as two blurry thumbnails of JSS and SA graced the screen). When Arnel's album bombs or fails to meet expectations, will his era be just as unceremoniously relegated to the gutter heap?
If this gloss-over approach to Steve Augeri initiated from management on down (as is likely), it should give fans a clue as to just what unsavory characters we are dealing with here.

TNC AND I AGREE ON SOMETHING...WELL SAID NOBLE. I could not have said it any better.

[nutz4Neal]

I watched the CBS Sunday Morning show this morning and was impressed with it in whole.

Arnel was cute, funny and made me shed a tear when he talked about his mom.

Ross was articuate as usual..when he said Journey was coming back to the magic and their legacy, although I miss Augeri more than I can express, I understood what he meant.

Neal came across as very sincere to me when he talked about Perry...they were brothers, I have no doubt, even with all that has transpired, he misses him and wishes him well.

[tj]

I didn't see the video, but here is the text from the show this AM.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/06/01/sunday/main4142967.shtml

[StoneCold]

I didn't see the video, but here is the text from the show this AM.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/06/01/sunday/main4142967.shtml

Here's the whole thing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89_2UivtEhs

[tj]

I didn't see the video, but here is the text from the show this AM.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/06/01/sunday/main4142967.shtml

Here's the whole thing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89_2UivtEhs

Thanks. A couple of thoughts after watching it:

Both SP and Arnel have incredibly strong bonds and influence with their mothers.
Deen looks like he is woking on grown a replica of Neal's 70's era afro.

[StoneCold]

I didn't see the video, but here is the text from the show this AM.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/06/01/sunday/main4142967.shtml

Here's the whole thing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89_2UivtEhs

Thanks. A couple of thoughts after watching it:

Both SP and Arnel have incredibly strong bonds and influence with their mothers.
Deen looks like he is woking on grown a replica of Neal's 70's era afro.

Here's what crazy. When I posted the link a few minutes ago it had 4,900 views. It's now over 8,000.

I know 3,000 MR folks didn't just go over there.

[SteveForever]

Here's what crazy. When I posted the link a few minutes ago it had 4,900 views. It's now over 8,000.

I know 3,000 MR folks didn't just go over there.

well if there are 301+million people in America and Journey has sold over 50 million
albums, then 1 out of every 6 homes has a Journey interest

[weatherman90]

I didn't see the video, but here is the text from the show this AM.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/06/01/sunday/main4142967.shtml

Here's the whole thing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89_2UivtEhs

Thanks. A couple of thoughts after watching it:

Both SP and Arnel have incredibly strong bonds and influence with their mothers.
Deen looks like he is woking on grown a replica of Neal's 70's era afro.

Here's what crazy. When I posted the link a few minutes ago it had 4,900 views. It's now over 8,000.

I know 3,000 MR folks didn't just go over there.

Strange, I was just thinking the same thing about the views and I didn't even notice the jump. 8,000 views in 13 hours would be like 10 per minute.