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Postby Monker » Sat Aug 16, 2008 12:38 pm

chowhall wrote:
Rockwriter wrote:
I just want to clarify that I'm not knocking Monker or trying to belittle him; I'm just imparting information that he might not possess. I don't want this to turn into a Sterling VS. Monker cage match, LOL. I'm not against him, or anyone else, for that matter.

Just wanted to say that for whatever it's worth. I hope all is well.

Sterling


It's nice you're taking the high road Sterling. However this Wanker, I mean Monker wasn't. He made some not so subtle references that you didn't do the research, have the access, or know what you were writing about. I know you don't need my help to defend you, especially in writing, but don't give this jerk the respect he hasn't shown you. You wrote a great non biased book. He obviously didn't read it. He did a drive by shooting and went to cower in his Journey board again. Let him slither there and stay.


LOL...too funny!

!. I didn't know I ever make 'subtle references'. I said exactly what I inteded to say, implying nothing.

2. I didn't say anything about 'research', or access, or knew what he was talking about. Not my point AT ALL. I said what was posted here was not the complete story and that he was doing a disservice to the Styx community IF that was his intention. And, I meant it, and still do...but after reading his replies, I don't think that entirety of what he wrote about this has been quoted here.

3. Obviously didn't read it? Gee, where did you get that idea? Maybe after I said I didn't own it?

4. Went to hide at the Journey forum? I posted HERE last...Maybe I slithered here to hide from Arnel fans.
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Postby Monker » Sat Aug 16, 2008 12:42 pm

Toph wrote:Monker, do us a favor and go back into your cave....


"In a hole in the ground lived a Monker."

Gee, sounds like the start of a good book there.
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Postby chowhall » Sat Aug 16, 2008 11:07 pm

Monker wrote:
LOL...too funny!

!. I didn't know I ever make 'subtle references'. I said exactly what I inteded to say, implying nothing.

2. I didn't say anything about 'research', or access, or knew what he was talking about. Not my point AT ALL. I said what was posted here was not the complete story and that he was doing a disservice to the Styx community IF that was his intention. And, I meant it, and still do...but after reading his replies, I don't think that entirety of what he wrote about this has been quoted here.

3. Obviously didn't read it? Gee, where did you get that idea? Maybe after I said I didn't own it?

4. Went to hide at the Journey forum? I posted HERE last...Maybe I slithered here to hide from Arnel fans.




1. Don't Care

2. What a brilliant observation. The man's entire book has not been quoted on a message board. Not even a cliff notes version has been posted on this board.

3. So you're admiting that you are posting your opinion on something you know nothing about. It's pretty hard to have a intelligent opinion about something you are ignorant of. That doesn't stop millions from voting or voicing their opinions, few just take the time to write their ignorant opinions. Good job.

4. See number 1.
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Postby Rockwriter » Sun Aug 17, 2008 12:07 am

Monker wrote:
Rockwriter wrote:You evidently haven't read my book, so let me educate you about its contents. I actually go into a fairly long and multi-sided discussion about how those negotiations went down, both rounds of them, talk about BOOMCHILD and its delays, and all of it. I don't say Tommy didn't want to be part of it. What transpires is that the talks fall apart, he gets another opportunity, and so on. But in that era Tommy does make the comment that he wasn't "excited" about doing Styx again, because he could tell it was going to be more of the same. By the way, that's not something I pulled out of thin air. It came from a personal interview with none other than Tommy Shaw himself. So there's that.


Then obviously Toph did not give the full story of what is in your book, or took the quote out of context.

As far as "anything can be self-published", I suppose that's true, but in the instance of biography, I am constrained by all of the exact same laws that constrain any other publisher of non-fiction.


That is true. However, even a biography can be very amaturish when self-published. There is a Journey biography that is very much that way. Everything I have read about self-publishing is to be very suspicious of it being a very amature effort. Now, it is not always the case...especially if it is from an established writer...but it should send up red flags.

I had to have my sources straight, I have to have multiple sources. And if you had read the book you would know that I present point-counterpoint on every single issue, so there's no editorial bias. And the ideas and material come not from me, but from personal interviews with the direct participants in the events, as well as lots of archival research. An indy publisher can be sued just like anyone else.


Then those quoting you are doing a disservice to you when they do not give the full story of what you are trying to say and do. People take these things, interviews and articles, books, and whatever, and twist them to satisfy their own agendas. That is now what I think is going on here more then anything.

My main point was there was more to what happened then what was quoted here. If the complete picture is what you tell, then that is a good thing. It's like the old quote, "Even the devil can quote scripture if it suits his purpose."

By the way, you should never put all faith in ANY book, because the writers are human beings, and the subjects themselves are human beings with bias.


Yep, I agree with that too.


When you say there's a Journey bio that's self-published, are you referring to that 'Steve Perry: A Singer's Journey' thing? Or is there an actual Journey bio? Journey is actually going to be my next project, so if there's a competing title out there that I don't know about, I need to see it, I guess. I know that Steve Perry book got knocked horribly. Not to brag, I just want to point out that my Styx book has averaged 4 1/2 stars out of five in customer reviews on Amazon, and has gotten positive reviews from the legitimate press including Classic Rock magazine, Record Collector, and Goldmine, as well as online sources. So I'm really grateful that in most instances I've been able to overcome the stigma that is attached to self-publishing. Incidentally, that stigma exists for a legitimate reason: a lot of self-published books really do suck. Print on demand technology has opened up the book writing field to a lot of people who aren't very good writers, in much the same way that home recording on laptops has opened up making records to people who aren't capable of making very good records. Just because you CAN do something, that doesn't always mean you SHOULD, LOL. But it also doesn't mean that a legitimate writer can't utilize a new technology to maximize the control and profit for a legitimate piece of work, which is a large part of why I chose to self-publish. More control and more profit . . . these are a few of my favorite things, LOL.

Anyway, my book is part of Google Book Search, so if you want to check it out for yourself without risking buying it, you can do so by reading excerpts here http://books.google.com/books?hl=en&id= ... #PPA219,M1

I think the section relevant to this discussion is from page 208 to page 218. I'm sure part of it is not part of the preview, but there's enough there for you to get the gist at any rate.

Thanks, I hope all is well.


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