21ST CENTURY LIVE

by **yogi** » Wed Oct 29, 2003 11:57 pm

Picked up Styx's 21st Century Live yesterday. I have not listened to the CD portion of this CMC budget effort. I believe I have heard all the renditions the CD portion contains. What I purchased this CMC money grubbing release for, was the DVD portion of material. I viewed it twice last night and let me tell you it WAS worth the price paid. There were not near enough songs on the DVD, but I knew that coming in. What is there, is very good. Kiss Your Ass Goodbye is shot through what appears to be Styx TV, and is very good, and entertaining. It does show the energy of the band, and espically Glen in concert. Yes I Can looks to be a low budget video, but my four year old daughter loved all of the flowers blooming, and its a good song that GROWS on you. The two highlights of the DVD are These Are The Times which has Styx singing live but has a war/buddy theme in the background. Again, it may be a low budget attempt at a video, but it is very well done. Finally, A Criminal Mind is the best effort on the DVD. It sounds great and seeing Gowan sing it makes the song even stronger. Those of you who think this man doesnt have the pipes are 100% percent wrong. It's a GREAT GREAT effort and sounds super. This DVD lacks enough material but what is there is REALLY REALLY good. One last note the DVD portion has NO DDY led songs on it.

by **classicstyxfan** » Thu Oct 30, 2003 12:14 am

Yogi, thx for the review.....since it's the closest I'll ever come to a glimpse of Styx w/ Burtnik in concert, I'll probably spring for it.

Where did you buy it ? do you think it can be found in any of the National Chains ? ( Best Buy, Target, Wal Mart etc ?????) or am I going to have to go the Amazon.com route to acquire it ?

BTW, I've always said Gowan can carry a tune, he just doesn't do any justice to songs that had DDY lead vocals.....but I like his efforts on Cyclorama.

by **yogi** » Thu Oct 30, 2003 12:55 am

Mine arrived in the mail yesterday. Amazon.com. I preordered it a few months ago, and it arrived yesterday.

by **onestilllearning** » Fri Oct 31, 2003 8:27 am

Picked up mine at Wallmart for $14.95 will give review soon. I do hope the live songs on the CD are recorded from different shows than the ones on StyxWorld CD .

by **maxell** » Sat Nov 01, 2003 12:38 am

There not

by **classicstyxfan** » Sat Nov 01, 2003 1:35 am

man, that's really sad......they couldnt spend just a little extra money to release something fresh ?

by **onestilllearning** » Sat Nov 01, 2003 3:38 am

Ok , watched the DVD with my 11 year old and for a Styx fan it was worth the 15 bucks but I must say it was really an amaturish -sp effort . Yes I Can was really stupid. The band members were depicted in a garden scene with flower petals floating past. My 11 year old thought it was in her words "gay" which I believe means really goofy in todays kids speak. What really pissed me of was the CD being nothing more than StyxWorld resold as something new. It makes me mad enough that I am not sure I will see them in concert again and the are playing at a local venue Lowell,MA in Feb which is 20 minutes away from me.

by **classicstyxfan** » Sat Nov 01, 2003 4:52 am

RE: Yes I can

"my 11 year old thought it was gay"

and somewhere, DDY is laughing his ass off at the hypocracy !
( or at least he has every right to )

by **ek88** » Sat Nov 01, 2003 11:16 am

Whoever is in charge of marketing Styx these days (band members or otherwise) sucks. In my mind the only worthwhile release since RTP has been Cyclorama. Everything else has been crap. Arch Allies and Styxworld had a few high points, but could've been combined along with some other rare clips to make an outstanding live release. I'd rather have no releases than all this releasing the same old, same old in different compilations and formats. I plan on buying the next Styx release with all new material and that's about it. I'm tired of shelling out for a new track or two mixed in with previously released stuff.

by **classicstyxfan** » Sat Nov 01, 2003 11:47 am

Stopped by my local Best Buy on the way home with the intention of purchasing this new release.....it wasnt there, actually, they didnt have any Styx DVD on the shelves and it wasnt there in the CD section either. I bought Kansas "Device Voice Drum" on DVD instead....Styx will have to wait until the next time I'm in the mood. at any rate, you all are making me glad I never invested in the Styxworld CD....I'll get it all in this new package.

by **Adam** » Sat Nov 01, 2003 2:06 pm

Tho I hate to say it, I am beginning to think there could've been more to Glen's leaving the band than reported. The decisions being made by the band seem to be increasingly...well...retarded. The management, the label and the principals in charge continue to be poor. Cyclorama was very very strong. Opening for REO Speedwagon and this 21st Century thing were very weak, if you ask me (tho you didn't!).

by **froy** » Mon Nov 03, 2003 12:55 am

Adam wrote:Tho I hate to say it, I am beginning to think there could've been more to Glen's leaving the band than reported. The decisions being made by the band seem to be increasingly...well...retarded. The management, the label and the principals in charge continue to be poor. Cyclorama was very very strong. Opening for REO Speedwagon and this 21st Century thing were very weak, if you ask me (tho you didn't!).

Wow this is amazing.
Everyone except Yogi seems to be jumping ship.
Onestilllearning is pissed off and now Adam is peaved.
Im not going to give my standard pitch about the current Styx
Im glad you guys at least see that it's not that great anymore.
Im hoping Dennis changes his show next time around or I won't be happy seeing the same show once again.
It sounds to me as if JY hired a guy with a Mac and Editing software to produce this current DVD.

At least with Dennis the products shined like RTTP DVD.
The current Styx is not investing that much into there production and it's starting to catch up with them.

I don't know if you read Shaws new message but it seems as if the new bass player already after a few shows is now a real Styx guy.
It did not take long did it?

Shaw makes me sick plain and simple.
The reluctant legend is no better .

Sad Sad Sad

by **onestilllearning** » Tue Nov 04, 2003 12:40 am

Froy when your right your right. This DVD was so lacking in technical and production quality as to be embarrasing. I can't believe these rehashed releases are profitable enough to justify how much they dilute the whole catalog (including Cyclrama) of Styx products. If I had purchesed 21'st Century live first I would have passed on Cyclerama which is a good effort. This cash cow has been milked to beyond skim milk. Shaw and JY are fooling themselves if they think this gande illusion is going to yield the same pieces of eight it may have in the best of times.

Signed...."Angry middle aged man"

by **yogi** » Tue Nov 04, 2003 3:40 am

It cracks me up on how many 'new' record industry experts we now have on this message board. 21st Century Live is a CMC budget release.They just added a DVD portion, jacked the price a little, and added a few new songs. It's the exact same as the all of the Wooden Nickle/RCA budget releases we have seen using the Styx name from their first four albums. Styx has had three 'real' releases with the new lineup since 1999. They were Arch Allies, Styxworld, and Cyclorama. All of the other releases are the labels way of trying to squeeze a few more bucks from the Styx name. How can you all be sooooo blind as to not see that. I have yet to read any of you ripping Dennis, John C., John P., JY, and Chuck for the release of RCA's 'Lady', or all the renditions of Best Of Styx, Styx1, Serpent, Man Of Miracles, Miracles, 2on 1 etc. Wake UP People!! Look at some of the other groups on CMC its the exact same thing. The lable is trying to make some easy money. They are entitled to do this, this is America. Moving on.... Will I ever jump the 'Styx Ship' ? that one is real easy..... NO! I will also never jump the DDY ship. Then again he may remake the Barry Manilow song of that very name'ships'. Moving on further........ Since 1999 Dennis has released The Ultimate Collection, and now we are about to get another Dennis/Styx greatest hits effort plus three new songs from him. Why is no one ripping Dennis for releasing the same songs over and over? You want to know what is even sadder for me?? As much as I like Dennis Deyoung and most of his music with Styx, I am much much sadder that Glen has left Styx than I was when Dennis got the size 12 boot. Also, as we ALL analyze OUR true reasons why Glen really left Styx ignoring EVERY statement EVERY band member has made that the split was amicable lets see if the band or Styx members attend Glen's fundraiser. If none of them do,.. then start your gossip column's. Finally, under the heading Styx Members in New Bands check out where most of you are placing Dennis. To me the kindest was POCO, or ABBA That says a whole lot.

by **onestilllearning** » Tue Nov 04, 2003 4:02 am

Finally, under the heading Styx Members in New Bands check out where most of you are placing Dennis. To me the kindest was POCO, or ABBA That says a whole lot.

Yogi ,

Please clue me in what does it say?

by **yogi** » Tue Nov 04, 2003 5:31 am

To me it states that Dennis is no longer a rock and roll person. If those are not subtle rips on DDY than I am WRONG. I saw that as kind of making fun of him. Come on Poco??? Abba?????, and these were the kind ones. A while ago there was an assembly line that got off the subject and started talking about Dennis and Barry Manilow in the same text. There were numerous post about Barry on a Styx web board. Well the only reason Barry was on this board were people were equating the two(DDY &Barry). To quote a scene from The Breakfast Club "Where did you get your..... Nah I wont go there.

by **yogi** » Tue Nov 04, 2003 11:20 am

Actually, Air Supply was the most rockin group Dennis was put in. If these were NOT rips on the current state of DDY than I am wrong and I apologize . But I'm not wrong. Come On..... Air Supply, Poco, and Abba plus Divas. Many times a truth is often told in jest. Who told me that???

by **LordofDaRing** » Tue Nov 04, 2003 1:38 pm

Wow Yogi:
Where do I start with this one. Lets begin with the meant to be humorous thread that put STYX members in other bands, I think most people in here went along with the stereotypes that group members have been placed into and aside from your cop out answer of puttting Tommy in Night Ranger (gee that was a stretch, seeing that was his best friends former band), I wouldn't be ripping Abba, Poco or Barry Manilow any more than Nazareth (quick name their other hit besides love hurts....trick question there wasn't one) or hards rocks fictional response to the Partridge Family....Spinal Tap.
To your point of why none of us are ripping Dennis for releasing the same songs over and over, his new CD/DVD of a live performance featuring STYX songs and solo material hasn't even been released yet. And after he releases two or three of the same live concerts, I will be the first one on this website to agree with you. Especially if he does two or three versions of come sail away on the same CD....damn STYX wouldn't do something like that. As for his Ultimate Collection, that is his solo work which you can't seem to find anywhere else. In addition, Dennis claims in interviews that he was "outvoted" by other band members when it came to greatest hits packages, so what does that tell you.
I can certainly agree with your point that Glen Burtnik leaving STYX hurts a lot more than Dennis DeYoung...after all lets examine the history here: GLEN along with Chuck and John co-founded the band, he wrote Lady which was their first significant song to get radio attention, sacraficed a great deal of personal life not being at home much after the birth of his first born as STYX did 4 Wooden Nickel/6 A&M records toured the world many times over, sold out madison square garden on consecutive nights during the paradise tour, wrote and sang the groups only number one song, was in the band when it was voted in a gallup poll as the number one band in the world, wrote/sang/played keyboards/contributed masterful harmonies/produced (or co-produced) four albums that all went multi platinum back to back..."not even the beatles or stones ever did that" (JY from BTM), refused to put another guitarist in the band when Tommy quit just to carry on the name, participated in the groups very succesful reunion tour in 1996, put his own personal/professional plans on hold to tour again the next year to help Chuck with some financial troubles while he battles a life threatening disease.......
Now lets look at DENNIS' tenure with STYX, he joined for EOTC on an invite from GLEN and JY as Tommy's replacement, contributed three or four good songs, toured to support the album, came back when Chuck could no longer tour and stayed on the road for four years putting out a lot of energy and life to the shows, putting his personal life on hold and contributing a couple of good songs to the Cyclorama album....
Did I miss anything? History retold courtesy of JY or Tommy.....Sarcasam aside, I have the up most respect for Glen Burtnik the musician, inside and outside of STYX...I saw the guy pull off a brilliant Paul McCartney in his Beatlemania days. But in all fairness to him, you cannot compare the two. If Tommy left, I would say yes, you have an honest historical perspective there. Mr Burtnik, like Mr DeYoung several years before him found out, there are a lot of sacrafices that you have to make in that business.
No Barry Manilow or ABBA comparison can wipe out or change this man's contribution to the history of this band, and as for what he could do in the future in the right environment with this band, unfortunately we may never know.

by **classicstyxfan** » Tue Nov 04, 2003 11:13 pm

Lord, wow, I couldnt have said it nearly as well as you just did. I find it interesting that many here feel the need to paint people 100 percent into one camp or another. While there are a few here that fit into that shoe, the rest of us try to call them like they see them, and will take a swipe or 2 at the side they lean towards when it's appropriate.

If driving rock and roll is the ONLY form of music you can enjoy, you are really missing out on alot of good music. Admittedly POCO for one, is short on Machismo, but you know what ? they had some awe-inspiring harmonies and catchy tunes, and if your testosterone wasnt in high gear at a particular moment, it was ( still is ) enjoyable to listen to. I think DDY would be able to fit into such a group.

Here's a thought, open for anyone to chime in on.....Perhaps Dennis went out a little like Roger Clemens....( except Dennis got cut instead of retiring ) Would it have been as good as DDY sand Clemens were in their prime if he had stayed around ? We'll find out more once DDY's new music comes out.

Is STYX hanging on in 2004 a little like the last few fights of Muhammed Ali ?

by **classicstyxfan** » Tue Nov 04, 2003 11:14 pm

by **classicstyxfan** » Tue Nov 04, 2003 11:14 pm

by **onestilllearning** » Wed Nov 05, 2003 1:21 am

Sorry Classic could you repeat that last post?

by **onestilllearning** » Wed Nov 05, 2003 1:22 am

Sorry Classic could you repeat that last post?

by **onestilllearning** » Wed Nov 05, 2003 1:22 am

Sorry Classic could you repeat that last post?

by **onestilllearning** » Wed Nov 05, 2003 3:22 am

Andrew, Whats up with the repeating posts?

by **classicstyxfan** » Wed Nov 05, 2003 8:37 am

Andrew, here's what I am seeing when I try to post. I hope that helps solve the problem.

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by **yogi** » Wed Nov 05, 2003 10:07 am

EXCELLENT post Lord! Let me comment on something Classic stated which may show why some of us are different type of fans. Lets say I am a die hard Boston Red Sox fan. I am also a huge Roger Clemens fan. Red Sox management thinks Roger Clemens is far past his prime and trades him to say Toronto. I may not agree with management, but am I still a Red Sox fan????? Hell yes I am!!! Am I still a Roger Clemens fan?? Hell yes I am. Well there are some fans out there when their favorite players are traded or released they dont like the team anymore. That is NOT me!!I will still follow that player, but I will ALWAYS be more loyal to the TEAM.

by **yogi** » Sat Nov 08, 2003 1:49 am

GREAT post Lord,will comment more on it later. Just seeing if I can post again. Here's hoping!!!!!

by **Kansas City Kevin** » Wed Nov 12, 2003 3:34 am

Nazareth - Hair of the Dog..."Now you're messin' with a...a SON OF A BITCH..." Gets tons of play and was covered by Guns and Roses.

Great pick up by the way Classic! Device Voice Drum is how a DVD should be made.

Hope everybody is doing fine.

KCKevin

by **M. J. Perry** » Sat Nov 29, 2003 1:59 pm

Maybe Styx should of released a full concert DVD instead of Styx 21st Century Live. "A Criminal Mind" was awesome, "Kiss Your Ass Goodbye" was good but it did seemed that "These Are the Times" was cut short. It would of been nice if the other CD was a DVD live showing instead of rehashing past released material that can be found on Styxworld 2001 and Live from St. Louis. But I wonder how much say the band had in this being released like it was. I don't recall anything on the Styx website of this material being released. Well let's hope the next DVD will be a full concert and not rehashed stuff from other releases over the past few years.

MR

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