Anybody see Styx at Emerald Queen this past weekend?

[brywool]

Anybody?

[froy]

Anybody?

Nope
Nobody is interested.

[Mr JY Roboto]

I didn't see them in Tacoma but did see them the night before in Oregon at the Spirit Mountain Casino. Good show..place was full, around 1500-1700 or so. They changed up the setlist just slightly but at least it was something. About a 1hr and 40m show.

Might not be in correct order...

Light Up/Put Me On (short medley)
Miss America (shorter with Put Me On ending)
Grand Illusion
One With Everything
Lady
Lorelei
Too Much Time On My Hands
Crystal Ball
I Am The Walrus
Suite Madame Blue (Very good..just for you Froy)
Fooling Yourself
Come Sail Away

Encore:

Blue Collar Man
-Guitar solos from JY and Tommy (haven't heard/seen this before)
-Extended drum solo (about 3 minutes, which is longer than normal)
Renegade

[KWH17]

wow, they actually played Light Up/Put Me On?

The latter is certainly a strange choice out of all the songs in their back catalog they could play, but usually ignore. Glad to see they're trying out different material at least. I love Light Up, so it's a shame I missed it.

Speaking of old material, when is JY going to break out Witch Wolf and Tommy going to do Mademoiselle for old times sake??? Just kidding, but I wish JY WOULD play some of his Wooden Nickel stuff[Man of Miracles/Young Man/Witch Wolf live would kick ass!]. Apologies for digressing from the topic.

[froy]

wow, they actually played Light Up/Put Me On?

Nope Light UP was a tape and Put Me on was about 1 min and ruined by Miss America

[froy]

I didn't see them in Tacoma but did see them the night before in Oregon at the Spirit Mountain Casino. Good show..place was full, around 1500-1700 or so. They changed up the setlist just slightly but at least it was something. About a 1hr and 40m show.

Might not be in correct order...

Light Up/Put Me On (short medley)
Miss America (shorter with Put Me On ending)
Grand Illusion
One With Everything
Lady
Lorelei
Too Much Time On My Hands
Crystal Ball
I Am The Walrus
Suite Madame Blue (Very good..just for you Froy)
Fooling Yourself
Come Sail Away

Encore:

Blue Collar Man
-Guitar solos from JY and Tommy (haven't heard/seen this before)
-Extended drum solo (about 3 minutes, which is longer than normal)
Renegade

[/quote]

Kills me
Fooling yourself
Gowan ruins sail
2 more songs show over

Not alot of effort there...

[Mr JY Roboto]

wow, they actually played Light Up/Put Me On?

Nope Light UP was a tape and Put Me on was about 1 min and ruined by Miss America

You don't know what you're talking about as Light Up was not tape but actually played. You are thinking of a DDY show. You must be eating some of those brownies Suzie used to make Dennis.

[kansas666]

Actually they just played the intro to both songs and got out of them before the lyrics kicked in.

They played more of Put Me On when they used to do the Cyclomedley.

[brywool]

Anybody?

Nope
Nobody is interested.

I knew it. Thanks froy for keeping me on my toes with your unpredictability!


I can remember WAAAAY BAAACK (77?) Tommy and JY used to do this kind of 'guitar duel' thing. I think it was in Midnight Ride. It was way cool.

I hate to tell you this Froy, but on the day of the Emerald Queen show, I couldn't get tickets. I wasn't going to go because there were no new tunes being played, but day of show, I wanted to go. They were sold out.

One thing- WHY are they playing Miss America still? God, that is so horrible live. There are better songs that JY sings and there are better songs that Gowan could do instead. Ugh. To me, it's like The Beatles giving Ringo more than one tune to sing live. It's not necessary.

[froy]

Anybody?

Nope
Nobody is interested.

I knew it. Thanks froy for keeping me on my toes with your unpredictability!

Hey that's what Im here for little fella

I can remember WAAAAY BAAACK (77?) Tommy and JY used to do this kind of 'guitar duel' thing. I think it was in Midnight Ride. It was way cool.

Sure waaaaay back
Great song
Saw that live in 76

I hate to tell you this Froy, but on the day of the Emerald Queen show, I couldn't get tickets.

Sorry to hear you ran out of money



I wasn't going to go because there were no new tunes being played,

For about the last 7 years

but day of show, I wanted to go. They were sold out.

Wow am I supposed to be impressed?
Did they play to 500 thousand fans like Genesis did?

One thing- WHY are they playing Miss America still?

Because there lazy no other reason




God, that is so horrible live

Yep stinks always did




There are better songs that JY sings and there are better songs that Gowan could do instead.

Forget it I would rather have bloody stools then listen to any of that

[Ash]

wow, they actually played Light Up/Put Me On?

Nope Light UP was a tape and Put Me on was about 1 min and ruined by Miss America

You don't know what you're talking about as Light Up was not tape but actually played. You are thinking of a DDY show. You must be eating some of those brownies Suzie used to make Dennis.

Better than the cocaine bricks Tommy and JY shoved up their noses.

[Jodes]

Can you prove JY had a coke problem there Ash?

[chowhall]

Can you prove JY had a coke problem there Ash?

I'm pretty sure I heard JY talking about using cocaine when he was promoting Snowblind. What constitutes a problem is another story.

[Jodes]

I thought Snowblind was written by JY and Dennis about Tommy's problem?

[SuiteMadameBlue]

I thought Snowblind was written by JY and Dennis about Tommy's problem?

I'm trying to find a few interviews regarding this

Snowblind is a song about cocaine addiction (one of the street names for cocaine is "snow" because it is a fine white powder). It is sometimes mistaken to be a love song due the lines from the chorus, "...can't live without you/'Cause you're so fine, I can't get away." And, of course, it is also not about being caught in a blizzard .

The dark parts that JY sings are told from the perspective of the cocaine addict when coming down from the drug and feeling empty. The upbeat parts that Tommy sings are told from the perspective of the same cocaine addict when high on the drug and feeling artificially euphoric. The song demonstrates the cycle of highs and lows that the addict experiences, becoming more and more dependent on the drug to feel anything good at all.

The song starts with the line "Mirror mirror on the wall/The face you show me scares me so" as the addict wakes up in the morning after a night of using cocaine feeling afraid of what his addiction is doing to him and seeing the wear of abuse in his own face. "I thought that I could call your bluff/But now the lines are clear enough" echoes the feeling that a first-time user of cocaine has that he won't get addicted like others have, only to discover that he too has become addicted. He continues with "Life's not pretty even though/I try so hard to make it so," highlighting the sad circumstances of a person's life that lead them to try an escape like cocaine. The realization of "Mornings are such cold distress/How did I ever get into this mess" reiterates the empty feeling of the morning after a cocaine binge and the feeling of powerlessness to break the cycle.

"Harmless and innocent you devil in white/You stole my will without a fight" again echoes the dangerous illusion of harmlessness of the fine white powder to a first-time user that is not recognized as false until the user is already hopelessly addicted. The euphoric feeling of invincibility and superiority that cocaine invokes in a user is apparent in the words, "You filled me with confidence" while the truth of the drug's trickery is revealed when the verse continues "But you blinded my eyes/You tricked me with visions of Paradise/Now I realize that I'm snowblind..." again recognized too late for the addict to break the spell.

Again down from his high, the addict laments his predicament and the empty feeling left to him as he stares into the mirror on which the lines of cocaine are already laid out for another snort, "Mirror mirror I confess/I can't escape this emptiness." Unable to stand the emptiness he is experiencing ("No more reasons to pretend"), he gives in and starts the cycle over again with another hit of cocaine, "Here comes that same old feeling again."

The song ends with a note of hope, however, with the lines "Won't you throw me a lifeline/I'm going down for the third time," recognizing that only with outside help can the addict break free of the terrible cycle.

There are clever double-meanings buried in some of the lyrics. For example, "But now the lines are clear enough" are appropriate to the context in the song, but they also refer to the cocaine carefully arranged into lines for convenient snorting by the addict as well as to the reflective surface (usually a mirror) on which the lines are arranged. Another example is "'Cause you're so fine, I can't get away." Again, the line is appropriate to its context, but it also refers to the quality and purity of the cocaine and to the fine texture of the substance.

In 1981, the state legislature of California accused Styx accused of backmasking satanic messages in Snowblind. They contended that the line "I try so hard to make it so" from the introductory verse sung by JY sounded like "Oh Satan move through our voices" when played backwards. Styx responded to these false allegations by releasing their next album, Kilroy Was Here, as a concept album and accompanying movie about a dark future in which Rock & Roll music is banned by a society where censorship has been allowed to restrict free expression.

[Rockwriter]

I thought Snowblind was written by JY and Dennis about Tommy's problem?

Interestingly enough, Tommy himself wrote a huge chunk of this song about his own problem, but got no credit. JY had the beginning, and I think Dennis came on with some chord structure and melody, but the main body of the song had no words. Tommy wrote the lyrics to the parts he sang, those verses. One of many instances where Styx writing credits don't always reflect who did all of the work.


Sterling

[masque]

I thought Snowblind was written by JY and Dennis about Tommy's problem?

Interestingly enough, Tommy himself wrote a huge chunk of this song about his own problem, but got no credit. JY had the beginning, and I think Dennis came on with some chord structure and melody, but the main body of the song had no words. Tommy wrote the lyrics to the parts he sang, those verses. One of many instances where Styx writing credits don't always reflect who did all of the work.


Sterling

can you name some other instances where a particualr writer in styx did something and did not receive credit? I find this kind of stuff fascianting. I think I remember reading an interview once where JY discussed the intro to fooling youraself being his baby but of course the actual song is creditied to tommy.

that kind of stuff reminds of how queen apparantly did it......based on what I have heard and read....whoever came in with the basic outline of the song got credit for it even after the other three added their parts, changes and arrangement ideas.

[KWH17]

I know that JY wrote the ARP solo in the middle of Come Sail Away. He didn't recieve credit I believe because Dennis had helped him on Miss America and so he wouldn't have had a single song attributed soley to him on the entire album. He traded credit for the ARP solo so he could take full credit on Miss America.

[kansas666]

I know that JY wrote the ARP solo in the middle of Come Sail Away. He didn't recieve credit I believe because Dennis had helped him on Miss America and so he wouldn't have had a single song attributed soley to him on the entire album. He traded credit for the ARP solo so he could take full credit on Miss America.

No, but he has brought it up in every interview he has done since 1999.