STYX on Rock Band!

by **froy** » Mon Apr 20, 2009 10:48 pm

KWH17 wrote:Completely agree with you Bugsy, as I too am a big DDY fan.

Now they just need to follow that up with a new album next year, and they should be back on top.

back on top of what?

by **ItsMyLife** » Tue Apr 21, 2009 2:47 am

To clarify what The Beatles reference above insinuates... it's not true... they're not going to re-record ANYTHING for The Beatles: Rockband, they'll use the existing mix tapes as the music.

Beyond The Beatles, my guess is when you have a dedicated Rockband/Guitar Hero release, using the original versions of the music would be a must to add to the authenticity of the project.

When it's just songs here and there, I guess money and rights issues come into play and sometimes they use re-recordings.

by **GrandIllusionist725** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 1:01 am

Just downloaded the tracks on Rock Band and played them, it's flat out awesome.

Never did I think I would be playing Styx on a video game!!

Anyway, the tracks are re-recorded by Styx, it isn't so bad. Kind of like the iTunes session of those re-recorded hits. I really enjoy "Can't Stop Rockin" as well

by **kmd2009** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 2:58 am

I think the remake songs sucks! Heres a links:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n37zKV2S1XY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOJuEIYh17Q

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtVU0-V4_Uk

by **Toph** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 3:17 am

kmd2009 wrote:I think the remake songs sucks! Heres a links:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n37zKV2S1XY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOJuEIYh17Q

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtVU0-V4_Uk

Wow that is horrible! Do these guys have no shame? The vocals are awful and the harmonies even worse. But heck, as long as they can make a buck and shaft DeYoung and John Panozzo's estate out of some, then it's all good, right?

The ironic thing about it, is that this is all they've got - these three songs are the only ones that have broken through that most rock fans are aware of. So I guess they will be milking these three in their various forms until they all depart this planet....

by **RumTumJM** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 3:26 am

Toph wrote:
StyxCollector wrote:A lot of bands do it. Journey did. This is pretty common practice.

But that was wrong too. Journey did it to take royalties out of Perry's pocket. I can only assume Styx is doing the same thing to take royalies out of DDY's pocket. In both cases it is wrong.

Journey did it because WalMart insisted. In order for the WalMart deal to happen (which Journey did want), the store wanted an album of re-records and a few new songs. Journey actually put their foot down and upped the ante to a full album of new songs as well.

The middle finger to Perry was probably enjoyed, but to my understanding not the driving factor.

by **blt man** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 6:49 am

Toph wrote:Wow that is horrible! Do these guys have no shame? The vocals are awful and the harmonies even worse. But heck, as long as they can make a buck and shaft DeYoung and John Panozzo's estate out of some, then it's all good, right?

Wouldn't the reasons for re-recording had more to do with the publisher not getting the financial benefit and less to do with Dennis.? Maybe I am wrong but I presume DeYoung's share for these songs would be a fraction of what the publisher would insist on getting paid for the original recordings.

by **Bearded Clam** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 7:03 am

kmd2009 wrote:I think the remake songs sucks! Heres a links:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n37zKV2S1XY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOJuEIYh17Q

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtVU0-V4_Uk

I actually prefer this version of BCM over the original.
They completely sucked the life out of Renegade though. I think it's time for retirement for JY, those guitar solo's were fuckin disgraceful.

by **foolintherain** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 8:20 am

Toph wrote:
kmd2009 wrote:I think the remake songs sucks! Heres a links:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n37zKV2S1XY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOJuEIYh17Q

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtVU0-V4_Uk

Wow that is horrible! Do these guys have no shame? The vocals are awful and the harmonies even worse. But heck, as long as they can make a buck and shaft DeYoung and John Panozzo's estate out of some, then it's all good, right?

The ironic thing about it, is that this is all they've got - these three songs are the only ones that have broken through that most rock fans are aware of. So I guess they will be milking these three in their various forms until they all depart this planet....

Vocals are fantastic. They sing together much better now.

by **froy** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 8:37 am

foolintherain wrote:
Toph wrote:
kmd2009 wrote:I think the remake songs sucks! Heres a links:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n37zKV2S1XY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOJuEIYh17Q

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtVU0-V4_Uk

Wow that is horrible! Do these guys have no shame? The vocals are awful and the harmonies even worse. But heck, as long as they can make a buck and shaft DeYoung and John Panozzo's estate out of some, then it's all good, right?

The ironic thing about it, is that this is all they've got - these three songs are the only ones that have broken through that most rock fans are aware of. So I guess they will be milking these three in their various forms until they all depart this planet....

Vocals are fantastic. They sing together much better now.

One guy says it 's shit the other its great
Ill vote for shit,

by **kmd2009** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 10:38 am

foolintherain wrote:
Toph wrote:
kmd2009 wrote:I think the remake songs sucks! Heres a links:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n37zKV2S1XY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOJuEIYh17Q

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtVU0-V4_Uk

Wow that is horrible! Do these guys have no shame? The vocals are awful and the harmonies even worse. But heck, as long as they can make a buck and shaft DeYoung and John Panozzo's estate out of some, then it's all good, right?

The ironic thing about it, is that this is all they've got - these three songs are the only ones that have broken through that most rock fans are aware of. So I guess they will be milking these three in their various forms until they all depart this planet....

You're kidding, right??
Vocals are fantastic. They sing together much better now.

by **froy** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 11:12 am

You're kidding, right??
Vocals are fantastic. They sing together much better now.

[/quote][/quote]

Much better now than when?

by **foolintherain** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 11:24 am

froy wrote:
foolintherain wrote:
Toph wrote:
kmd2009 wrote:I think the remake songs sucks! Heres a links:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n37zKV2S1XY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOJuEIYh17Q

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtVU0-V4_Uk

Wow that is horrible! Do these guys have no shame? The vocals are awful and the harmonies even worse. But heck, as long as they can make a buck and shaft DeYoung and John Panozzo's estate out of some, then it's all good, right?

The ironic thing about it, is that this is all they've got - these three songs are the only ones that have broken through that most rock fans are aware of. So I guess they will be milking these three in their various forms until they all depart this planet....

Vocals are fantastic. They sing together much better now.

One guy says it 's shit the other its great
Ill vote for shit,

Listen up Froy. I strongly urge you to go see the Styx and REO tour this summer. You'll realize how wrong you've been.

by **foolintherain** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 11:25 am

froy wrote:

You're kidding, right??
Vocals are fantastic. They sing together much better now.

[/quote]

Much better now than when?[/quote]

than when they were recorded.

by **Jodes** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 11:26 am

I'll wait until I hear it through the game before passing judgement. I just might have to pick up rockband now!

If Dennis's rockers were bigger "hits" I'm sure he'd consider doing something like this as well. I could easily see Grand Illusion, Lorelei, Mr. Roboto and maybe Don't Let it End for rock band.. Release those three with maybe "100 Years" or Private Jones (although I have yet to hear this song) and see how it does.

The rest of Dennis's hits though.. very piano heavy and wouldn't translate well for the game unless they were redone (Lady, Best of Times, Come Sail Away, Babe). Thats just from what I've seen of other Rock Band songs.

A few people think this is solely to take money out of DDY's pocket.. Fine if you believe that, great its a valid arguement. I guess the same could be said about DDY a few years back. But did people bitch, moan and complain about royalties when Dennis re-recorded the Grand Illusion and released it on an ACTUAL CD without Chuck, Tommy and JY? I didn't hear anyone..

People are just flipping out over this.. come on take a deep breath, I can see if they were Dennis songs solely and they re-recorded them then released "Rock Band STYX", but please.. Tommy Shaw has sole writing and publishing credits to these songs, aren't they his property to do as he pleases?

Jeez again, its just a band trying to find new ways to market their music.

It will sell Styx music.. that means Styx GH cds, or the A&M studio albums.. which means DDY will get his share too..

Why can't people see that?

by **froy** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 11:26 am

foolintherain wrote:
froy wrote:

You're kidding, right??
Vocals are fantastic. They sing together much better now.

Much better now than when?

than when they were recorded.[/quote][/quote]

Yea right ok
WE almost believe that one

by **sadie65** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 11:38 am

Jodes wrote:I'll wait until I hear it through the game before passing judgement. I just might have to pick up rockband now!

If Dennis's rockers were bigger "hits" I'm sure he'd consider doing something like this as well. I could easily see Grand Illusion, Lorelei, Mr. Roboto and maybe Don't Let it End for rock band.. Release those three with maybe "100 Years" or Private Jones (although I have yet to hear this song) and see how it does.

The rest of Dennis's hits though.. very piano heavy and wouldn't translate well for the game unless they were redone (Lady, Best of Times, Come Sail Away, Babe). Thats just from what I've seen of other Rock Band songs.

A few people think this is solely to take money out of DDY's pocket.. Fine if you believe that, great its a valid arguement. I guess the same could be said about DDY a few years back. But did people bitch, moan and complain about royalties when Dennis re-recorded the Grand Illusion and released it on an ACTUAL CD without Chuck, Tommy and JY? I didn't hear anyone..

People are just flipping out over this.. come on take a deep breath, I can see if they were Dennis songs solely and they re-recorded them then released "Rock Band STYX", but please.. Tommy Shaw has sole writing and publishing credits to these songs, aren't they his property to do as he pleases?

Jeez again, its just a band trying to find new ways to market their music.

It will sell Styx music.. that means Styx GH cds, or the A&M studio albums.. which means DDY will get his share too..

Why can't people see that?

I count 2 people on this thread who view it the way you reference (taking money out of DDY's pocket). Personally, I've no issue with it. They are Styx songs, they promote the band and its material. Re-recorded or not, makes no difference.

But there are people here on both sides of the spectrum who will take any and all opportunities to put their own spin on things. Just a normal human flaw.

by **pinkfloyd1973** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 11:40 am

foolintherain wrote:
froy wrote:

You're kidding, right??
Vocals are fantastic. They sing together much better now.

Much better now than when?

than when they were recorded.

You're kidding me, right?

Robin

by **foolintherain** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 11:52 am

pinkfloyd1973 wrote:
foolintherain wrote:
froy wrote:

You're kidding, right??
Vocals are fantastic. They sing together much better now.

Much better now than when?

than when they were recorded.

You're kidding me, right?

Robin

you're an idiot, right?

by **sadie65** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 12:02 pm

foolintherain wrote:
you're an idiot, right?

Ah yes...the individual who doesn't like political correctness...thus demonstrated by such a pithy response. Or is it simply that "like recognizes like" ?

(no offense towards pinkfloyd 1973)

by **bugsymalone** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 12:07 pm

Jodes wrote:

but please.. Tommy Shaw has sole writing and publishing credits to these songs, aren't they his property to do as he pleases?

Jeez again, its just a band trying to find new ways to market their music.

It will sell Styx music.. that means Styx GH cds, or the A&M studio albums.. which means DDY will get his share too..

Why can't people see that?

Uhm. I think one or two have. If you read the first page of this thread. Pretty much said exactly what you said here. Just sayin'....

Bugsy

by **pinkfloyd1973** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 12:08 pm

sadie65 wrote:
foolintherain wrote:
you're an idiot, right?

Ah yes...the individual who doesn't like political correctness...thus demonstrated by such a pithy response. Or is it simply that "like recognizes like" ?

(no offense towards pinkfloyd 1973)

None taken Sadie, foolintherain certainly lives up to the first part of his name :roll:

Robin

by **blt man** » Thu Apr 23, 2009 12:12 am

At some point in a future version/release Rock Band will include a keyboard. There is too much money to be made all around for expanding the music catalog to include music that relies heavily on keyboards/piano.

by **mr.v** » Thu Apr 23, 2009 12:48 am

I just watched the "Can't Stop Rockin'" video in another thread and there is no sign of JY. Could it be he is sitting out these smaller projects - The new song and the rock band re-records - To stay home with his wife? The JY solos on the rock band tracks don't sound right, maybe Tommy tried to copy the style and sound for those recordings.

by **Zan** » Thu Apr 23, 2009 1:56 am

Jodes wrote:.. Tommy Shaw has sole writing and publishing credits to these songs, aren't they his property to do as he pleases?

Why can't people see that?

Because they're idiots?

by **Bearded Clam** » Thu Apr 23, 2009 2:24 am

Still waiting for that Calendar Zan...

by **StyxCollector** » Thu Apr 23, 2009 5:38 am

Look, they have a right to do whatever they want (my DDY interview even confirms that) and if they want to re-record the basic tracks without Dennis for Tommy's songs, people may not like it, but it's totally kosher. Perception-wise, this is much less of a problem IMO than what Journey did in re-recording the hits without Perry.

by **Don** » Thu Apr 23, 2009 7:12 am

StyxCollector wrote:Look, they have a right to do whatever they want (my DDY interview even confirms that) and if they want to re-record the basic tracks without Dennis for Tommy's songs, people may not like it, but it's totally kosher. Perception-wise, this is much less of a problem IMO than what Journey did in re-recording the hits without Perry.

Pure Prairie League did something of sorts on one of their Greatest hits CDs with Vince Gill covering Amie, originally sang by Craig Fuller. Vince said in hind sight, he shouldn't have done it.

by **StyxCollector** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 11:13 am

I just watched the YouTube videos of the re-recordings. They made them as close to the original LP versions. If you didn't know them, you probably wouldn't know the difference. It's almost odd hearing them attempt to rein it in and play it exactly like it was 30 years ago. Tommy's voice is still good, but it's definitely an older Tommy singing. The only ruined moment is the yell in the beginning of "Renegade". That was pretty awful.

by **KWH17** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 10:15 pm

^Thats because it was originally Dennis who did it right? Does that mean the scream was done by Gowan? or worse JY?

MR

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