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Postby stevew2 » Sun Aug 09, 2009 6:32 am

steveo777 wrote:
Lora wrote:
artist4perry wrote:McKinneyNews.net: I have to ask. What about Steve Perry? Will Steve ever be part of the band again?

Cain: I think Steve kind of closed the door. We have an open door policy. If he wants to come around and sing I’m sure Arnel will be the first to tell you he will share the stage with Steve Perry. But Steve’s kind of moved on. He’s got his own life.


The image of that just made me puke.


Why? I'm sure if they tune things down 3 notches Steve will be able to sing with Arnel just fine! :twisted: :twisted:

da debil made me do it :wink:

I'm not taking anything away from what The Voice was or brought to Journey. I'm a realist and the dream of hearing him sing in his original glory & key just isn't going to happen. I'd love nothing more than to be proven wrong, but such proof has been a long time coming.
Then Steve can teach him how pronounce the fuckin word right you ass licker
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Postby artist4perry » Sun Aug 09, 2009 7:03 am

Lora wrote:
artist4perry wrote:McKinneyNews.net: I have to ask. What about Steve Perry? Will Steve ever be part of the band again?

Cain: I think Steve kind of closed the door. We have an open door policy. If he wants to come around and sing I’m sure Arnel will be the first to tell you he will share the stage with Steve Perry. But Steve’s kind of moved on. He’s got his own life.


The image of that just made me puke.


I don't see it ever happening........not even if hell freezes over. I think that would be unfair to ask Steve to do.
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Postby Don » Sun Aug 09, 2009 7:17 am

stevew2 wrote:
steveo777 wrote:
Lora wrote:
artist4perry wrote:McKinneyNews.net: I have to ask. What about Steve Perry? Will Steve ever be part of the band again?

Cain: I think Steve kind of closed the door. We have an open door policy. If he wants to come around and sing I’m sure Arnel will be the first to tell you he will share the stage with Steve Perry. But Steve’s kind of moved on. He’s got his own life.


The image of that just made me puke.


Why? I'm sure if they tune things down 3 notches Steve will be able to sing with Arnel just fine! :twisted: :twisted:

da debil made me do it :wink:

I'm not taking anything away from what The Voice was or brought to Journey. I'm a realist and the dream of hearing him sing in his original glory & key just isn't going to happen. I'd love nothing more than to be proven wrong, but such proof has been a long time coming.
Then Steve can teach him how pronounce the fuckin word right you ass licker


You have to give him a break, Stevew2. Cain made the point that Pineda's 100% Filipino, perhaps suggesting that the bar be lowered, or a handicap given in this case. Affirmative action meets Rock & Roll.
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Postby whirlwind » Sun Aug 09, 2009 7:38 am

Lora wrote:
artist4perry wrote:McKinneyNews.net: I have to ask. What about Steve Perry? Will Steve ever be part of the band again?

Cain: I think Steve kind of closed the door. We have an open door policy. If he wants to come around and sing I’m sure Arnel will be the first to tell you he will share the stage with Steve Perry. But Steve’s kind of moved on. He’s got his own life.


The image of that just made me puke.


...


People still insist on asking that question about Steve being part of the band again. They usually hang on his every word but always forget that it's something Perry settled back when Jon gave him an ultimatum.

Perry.............."You know, there's no going back?"
Cain..............."I know."

I wouldn't ever expect him to go back on his word, no matter how much I might want to hear them together again. It would never be as good as it was in the Journey/Perry years.
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Postby portland » Sun Aug 09, 2009 7:42 am

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stevew2 wrote:
steveo777 wrote:
Lora wrote:
artist4perry wrote:McKinneyNews.net: I have to ask. What about Steve Perry? Will Steve ever be part of the band again?

Cain: I think Steve kind of closed the door. We have an open door policy. If he wants to come around and sing I’m sure Arnel will be the first to tell you he will share the stage with Steve Perry. But Steve’s kind of moved on. He’s got his own life.


The image of that just made me puke.


Why? I'm sure if they tune things down 3 notches Steve will be able to sing with Arnel just fine! :twisted: :twisted:

da debil made me do it :wink:

I'm not taking anything away from what The Voice was or brought to Journey. I'm a realist and the dream of hearing him sing in his original glory & key just isn't going to happen. I'd love nothing more than to be proven wrong, but such proof has been a long time coming.
Then Steve can teach him how pronounce the fuckin word right you ass licker


You have to give him a break, Stevew2. Cain made the point that Pineda's 100% Filipino, perhaps suggesting that the bar be lowered, or a handicap given in this case. Affirmative action meets Rock & Roll.






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Postby Jeremey » Sun Aug 09, 2009 11:09 am

steveo777 wrote:
Lora wrote:
artist4perry wrote:McKinneyNews.net: I have to ask. What about Steve Perry? Will Steve ever be part of the band again?

Cain: I think Steve kind of closed the door. We have an open door policy. If he wants to come around and sing I’m sure Arnel will be the first to tell you he will share the stage with Steve Perry. But Steve’s kind of moved on. He’s got his own life.


The image of that just made me puke.


Why? I'm sure if they tune things down 3 notches Steve will be able to sing with Arnel just fine! :twisted: :twisted:

da debil made me do it :wink:

I'm not taking anything away from what The Voice was or brought to Journey. I'm a realist and the dream of hearing him sing in his original glory & key just isn't going to happen. I'd love nothing more than to be proven wrong, but such proof has been a long time coming.


LOL!

Does that count the step they've already tuned down to accomodate Arnel's range!? :wink:

:lol:
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Postby Michigan Girl » Sun Aug 09, 2009 11:26 am

Jeremey wrote:
steveo777 wrote:
Lora wrote:
artist4perry wrote:McKinneyNews.net: I have to ask. What about Steve Perry? Will Steve ever be part of the band again?

Cain: I think Steve kind of closed the door. We have an open door policy. If he wants to come around and sing I’m sure Arnel will be the first to tell you he will share the stage with Steve Perry. But Steve’s kind of moved on. He’s got his own life.


The image of that just made me puke.


Why? I'm sure if they tune things down 3 notches Steve will be able to sing with Arnel just fine! :twisted: :twisted:

da debil made me do it :wink:

I'm not taking anything away from what The Voice was or brought to Journey. I'm a realist and the dream of hearing him sing in his original glory & key just isn't going to happen. I'd love nothing more than to be proven wrong, but such proof has been a long time coming.


LOL!

Does that count the step they've already tuned down to accomodate Arnel's range!? :wink:

:lol:

Steveo?!?!? I'd like to hear the answer to this!!!! :wink:
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Postby portland » Sun Aug 09, 2009 11:30 am

Michigan Girl wrote:
Jeremey wrote:
steveo777 wrote:
Lora wrote:
artist4perry wrote:McKinneyNews.net: I have to ask. What about Steve Perry? Will Steve ever be part of the band again?

Cain: I think Steve kind of closed the door. We have an open door policy. If he wants to come around and sing I’m sure Arnel will be the first to tell you he will share the stage with Steve Perry. But Steve’s kind of moved on. He’s got his own life.


The image of that just made me puke.


Why? I'm sure if they tune things down 3 notches Steve will be able to sing with Arnel just fine! :twisted: :twisted:

da debil made me do it :wink:

I'm not taking anything away from what The Voice was or brought to Journey. I'm a realist and the dream of hearing him sing in his original glory & key just isn't going to happen. I'd love nothing more than to be proven wrong, but such proof has been a long time coming.


LOL!

Does that count the step they've already tuned down to accomodate Arnel's range!? :wink:

:lol:

Steveo?!?!? I'd like to hear the answer to this!!!! :wink:




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Postby steveo777 » Sun Aug 09, 2009 11:30 am

Michigan Girl wrote:
Jeremey wrote:
steveo777 wrote:
Lora wrote:
artist4perry wrote:McKinneyNews.net: I have to ask. What about Steve Perry? Will Steve ever be part of the band again?

Cain: I think Steve kind of closed the door. We have an open door policy. If he wants to come around and sing I’m sure Arnel will be the first to tell you he will share the stage with Steve Perry. But Steve’s kind of moved on. He’s got his own life.


The image of that just made me puke.


Why? I'm sure if they tune things down 3 notches Steve will be able to sing with Arnel just fine! :twisted: :twisted:

da debil made me do it :wink:

I'm not taking anything away from what The Voice was or brought to Journey. I'm a realist and the dream of hearing him sing in his original glory & key just isn't going to happen. I'd love nothing more than to be proven wrong, but such proof has been a long time coming.


LOL!

Does that count the step they've already tuned down to accomodate Arnel's range!? :wink:

:lol:

Steveo?!?!? I'd like to hear the answer to this!!!! :wink:


The band is constraining Arnel to make his voice last longer. The tuning down is not his choice. He still can soar high as an eagle but the band chooses to tune down. There's your answer. When he turns 60 we'll talk again and I'll have a different, newer, more better answer for you, but for now it is what it is. :wink: :D :P
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Postby Jeremey » Sun Aug 09, 2009 11:39 am

steveo777 wrote:
Michigan Girl wrote:
Jeremey wrote:
steveo777 wrote:
Lora wrote:
artist4perry wrote:McKinneyNews.net: I have to ask. What about Steve Perry? Will Steve ever be part of the band again?

Cain: I think Steve kind of closed the door. We have an open door policy. If he wants to come around and sing I’m sure Arnel will be the first to tell you he will share the stage with Steve Perry. But Steve’s kind of moved on. He’s got his own life.


The image of that just made me puke.


Why? I'm sure if they tune things down 3 notches Steve will be able to sing with Arnel just fine! :twisted: :twisted:

da debil made me do it :wink:

I'm not taking anything away from what The Voice was or brought to Journey. I'm a realist and the dream of hearing him sing in his original glory & key just isn't going to happen. I'd love nothing more than to be proven wrong, but such proof has been a long time coming.


LOL!

Does that count the step they've already tuned down to accomodate Arnel's range!? :wink:

:lol:

Steveo?!?!? I'd like to hear the answer to this!!!! :wink:


The band is constraining Arnel to make his voice last longer. The tuning down is not his choice. He still can soar high as an eagle but the band chooses to tune down. There's your answer. When he turns 60 we'll talk again and I'll have a different, newer, more better answer for you, but for now it is what it is. :wink: :D :P


LOL!! Cause they still want him to be singing with Journey when he's 60, right!? :wink: :wink:

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Postby steveo777 » Sun Aug 09, 2009 11:46 am

Jeremey wrote:
steveo777 wrote:
Michigan Girl wrote:
Jeremey wrote:
steveo777 wrote:
Lora wrote:
artist4perry wrote:McKinneyNews.net: I have to ask. What about Steve Perry? Will Steve ever be part of the band again?

Cain: I think Steve kind of closed the door. We have an open door policy. If he wants to come around and sing I’m sure Arnel will be the first to tell you he will share the stage with Steve Perry. But Steve’s kind of moved on. He’s got his own life.


The image of that just made me puke.


Why? I'm sure if they tune things down 3 notches Steve will be able to sing with Arnel just fine! :twisted: :twisted:

da debil made me do it :wink:

I'm not taking anything away from what The Voice was or brought to Journey. I'm a realist and the dream of hearing him sing in his original glory & key just isn't going to happen. I'd love nothing more than to be proven wrong, but such proof has been a long time coming.


LOL!

Does that count the step they've already tuned down to accomodate Arnel's range!? :wink:

:lol:

Steveo?!?!? I'd like to hear the answer to this!!!! :wink:


The band is constraining Arnel to make his voice last longer. The tuning down is not his choice. He still can soar high as an eagle but the band chooses to tune down. There's your answer. When he turns 60 we'll talk again and I'll have a different, newer, more better answer for you, but for now it is what it is. :wink: :D :P


LOL!! Cause they still want him to be singing with Journey when he's 60, right!? :wink: :wink:

:lol:


Yes! The album slated for release in Dec of 2027 will be called "Graveyard Rock". :wink: :lol:
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Postby Michigan Girl » Sun Aug 09, 2009 11:50 am

steveo777 wrote:
Michigan Girl wrote:
Jeremey wrote:
steveo777 wrote:
Lora wrote:
artist4perry wrote:McKinneyNews.net: I have to ask. What about Steve Perry? Will Steve ever be part of the band again?

Cain: I think Steve kind of closed the door. We have an open door policy. If he wants to come around and sing I’m sure Arnel will be the first to tell you he will share the stage with Steve Perry. But Steve’s kind of moved on. He’s got his own life.


The image of that just made me puke.


Why? I'm sure if they tune things down 3 notches Steve will be able to sing with Arnel just fine! :twisted: :twisted:

da debil made me do it :wink:

I'm not taking anything away from what The Voice was or brought to Journey. I'm a realist and the dream of hearing him sing in his original glory & key just isn't going to happen. I'd love nothing more than to be proven wrong, but such proof has been a long time coming.


LOL!

Does that count the step they've already tuned down to accomodate Arnel's range!? :wink:

:lol:

Steveo?!?!? I'd like to hear the answer to this!!!! :wink:


The band is constraining Arnel to make his voice last longer. The tuning down is not his choice. He still can soar high as an eagle but the band chooses to tune down. There's your answer. When he turns 60 we'll talk again and I'll have a different, newer, more better answer for you, but for now it is what it is. :wink: :D :P


So at what point will we be hearing Arnel singing these songs in the original key or when will the band quit holding him back???? I'm pretty
sure SP did for more than one tour... :wink:
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Postby moangel58 » Sun Aug 09, 2009 11:51 am

steveo777 wrote:
Jeremey wrote:
steveo777 wrote:
Michigan Girl wrote:
Jeremey wrote:
steveo777 wrote:
Lora wrote:
artist4perry wrote:McKinneyNews.net: I have to ask. What about Steve Perry? Will Steve ever be part of the band again?

Cain: I think Steve kind of closed the door. We have an open door policy. If he wants to come around and sing I’m sure Arnel will be the first to tell you he will share the stage with Steve Perry. But Steve’s kind of moved on. He’s got his own life.


The image of that just made me puke.


Why? I'm sure if they tune things down 3 notches Steve will be able to sing with Arnel just fine! :twisted: :twisted:

da debil made me do it :wink:

I'm not taking anything away from what The Voice was or brought to Journey. I'm a realist and the dream of hearing him sing in his original glory & key just isn't going to happen. I'd love nothing more than to be proven wrong, but such proof has been a long time coming.


LOL!

Does that count the step they've already tuned down to accomodate Arnel's range!? :wink:

:lol:

Steveo?!?!? I'd like to hear the answer to this!!!! :wink:


The band is constraining Arnel to make his voice last longer. The tuning down is not his choice. He still can soar high as an eagle but the band chooses to tune down. There's your answer. When he turns 60 we'll talk again and I'll have a different, newer, more better answer for you, but for now it is what it is. :wink: :D :P


LOL!! Cause they still want him to be singing with Journey when he's 60, right!? :wink: :wink:

:lol:


Yes! The album slated for release in Dec of 2027 will be called "Graveyard Rock". :wink: :lol:


Now that was hilarious, leave it to you steveo to come up with something like that, "Graveyard Rock" :D :P :wink:
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Postby steveo777 » Sun Aug 09, 2009 11:58 am

moangel58 wrote:
steveo777 wrote:
Jeremey wrote:
steveo777 wrote:
Michigan Girl wrote:
Jeremey wrote:
steveo777 wrote:
Lora wrote:
artist4perry wrote:McKinneyNews.net: I have to ask. What about Steve Perry? Will Steve ever be part of the band again?

Cain: I think Steve kind of closed the door. We have an open door policy. If he wants to come around and sing I’m sure Arnel will be the first to tell you he will share the stage with Steve Perry. But Steve’s kind of moved on. He’s got his own life.


The image of that just made me puke.


Why? I'm sure if they tune things down 3 notches Steve will be able to sing with Arnel just fine! :twisted: :twisted:

da debil made me do it :wink:

I'm not taking anything away from what The Voice was or brought to Journey. I'm a realist and the dream of hearing him sing in his original glory & key just isn't going to happen. I'd love nothing more than to be proven wrong, but such proof has been a long time coming.


LOL!

Does that count the step they've already tuned down to accomodate Arnel's range!? :wink:

:lol:

Steveo?!?!? I'd like to hear the answer to this!!!! :wink:


The band is constraining Arnel to make his voice last longer. The tuning down is not his choice. He still can soar high as an eagle but the band chooses to tune down. There's your answer. When he turns 60 we'll talk again and I'll have a different, newer, more better answer for you, but for now it is what it is. :wink: :D :P


LOL!! Cause they still want him to be singing with Journey when he's 60, right!? :wink: :wink:

:lol:


Yes! The album slated for release in Dec of 2027 will be called "Graveyard Rock". :wink: :lol:


Now that was hilarious, leave it to you steveo to come up with something like that, "Graveyard Rock" :D :P :wink:


I can see Neal, Cain, Deen and possibly Arnel, if they don't ditch him by then. The only one I'm really concerned about is Ross, but hell, he was old back in the day. What does a bass sound like in a coffin anyway? :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
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Postby portland » Sun Aug 09, 2009 12:01 pm

steveo777 wrote:
moangel58 wrote:
steveo777 wrote:
Jeremey wrote:
steveo777 wrote:
Michigan Girl wrote:
Jeremey wrote:
steveo777 wrote:
Lora wrote:
artist4perry wrote:McKinneyNews.net: I have to ask. What about Steve Perry? Will Steve ever be part of the band again?

Cain: I think Steve kind of closed the door. We have an open door policy. If he wants to come around and sing I’m sure Arnel will be the first to tell you he will share the stage with Steve Perry. But Steve’s kind of moved on. He’s got his own life.


The image of that just made me puke.


Why? I'm sure if they tune things down 3 notches Steve will be able to sing with Arnel just fine! :twisted: :twisted:

da debil made me do it :wink:

I'm not taking anything away from what The Voice was or brought to Journey. I'm a realist and the dream of hearing him sing in his original glory & key just isn't going to happen. I'd love nothing more than to be proven wrong, but such proof has been a long time coming.


LOL!

Does that count the step they've already tuned down to accomodate Arnel's range!? :wink:

:lol:

Steveo?!?!? I'd like to hear the answer to this!!!! :wink:


The band is constraining Arnel to make his voice last longer. The tuning down is not his choice. He still can soar high as an eagle but the band chooses to tune down. There's your answer. When he turns 60 we'll talk again and I'll have a different, newer, more better answer for you, but for now it is what it is. :wink: :D :P


LOL!! Cause they still want him to be singing with Journey when he's 60, right!? :wink: :wink:

:lol:


Yes! The album slated for release in Dec of 2027 will be called "Graveyard Rock". :wink: :lol:


Now that was hilarious, leave it to you steveo to come up with something like that, "Graveyard Rock" :D :P :wink:


I can see Neal, Cain, Deen and possibly Arnel, if they don't ditch him by then. The only one I'm really concerned about is Ross, but hell, he was old back in the day. What does a bass sound like in a coffin anyway? :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:




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Postby Jana » Sun Aug 09, 2009 12:03 pm

Michigan Girl wrote:
steveo777 wrote:
Michigan Girl wrote:
Jeremey wrote:
steveo777 wrote:
Lora wrote:
artist4perry wrote:McKinneyNews.net: I have to ask. What about Steve Perry? Will Steve ever be part of the band again?

Cain: I think Steve kind of closed the door. We have an open door policy. If he wants to come around and sing I’m sure Arnel will be the first to tell you he will share the stage with Steve Perry. But Steve’s kind of moved on. He’s got his own life.


The image of that just made me puke.


Why? I'm sure if they tune things down 3 notches Steve will be able to sing with Arnel just fine! :twisted: :twisted:

da debil made me do it :wink:

I'm not taking anything away from what The Voice was or brought to Journey. I'm a realist and the dream of hearing him sing in his original glory & key just isn't going to happen. I'd love nothing more than to be proven wrong, but such proof has been a long time coming.


LOL!

Does that count the step they've already tuned down to accomodate Arnel's range!? :wink:

:lol:

Steveo?!?!? I'd like to hear the answer to this!!!! :wink:


The band is constraining Arnel to make his voice last longer. The tuning down is not his choice. He still can soar high as an eagle but the band chooses to tune down. There's your answer. When he turns 60 we'll talk again and I'll have a different, newer, more better answer for you, but for now it is what it is. :wink: :D :P


So at what point will we be hearing Arnel singing these songs in the original key???? I'm pretty
sure SP did for more than one tour... :wink:


You won't anymore, except probably TV appearances or special events, DVDs, etc. SteveO is in dreamland if he thinks it's done as a preventative measure only. It is, true, a preventative measure to conserve his voice for the future, but coupled with the fact Arnel was straining on certain songs and it showed towards the end of the tour. If he sang the whole catalogue with ease and no problem, believe you me, no changes would have been made. Arnel can soar in that range and probably do many shows, but not for a whole tour with ease and without straining. Arnel is 41. Perry could still sing in that range at 41 b/c it was his natural range. Arnel, until Journey, did not sing in that upper register consistently. Jonathan admitted that in an interview and said Arnel had to get used to putting his voice in his upper register and that he actually sounded better in the middle of the tour once he got used to it.

I don't care. I'm fine with the tune-down half a step. From all the videos I've seen the band sounds great and Arnel sounds awesome. I love Arnel as the lead singer and love his voice, so to me it's not a noticeable difference in sound on most of the songs. And if this is what it takes to have Arnel with Journey for a longer time it works for me. And I agree with others, they should have done this for Augeri. But at least they learned this time around.
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Postby Michigan Girl » Sun Aug 09, 2009 12:07 pm

Jana wrote:
Michigan Girl wrote:
steveo777 wrote:
Michigan Girl wrote:
Jeremey wrote:
steveo777 wrote:
Lora wrote:
artist4perry wrote:McKinneyNews.net: I have to ask. What about Steve Perry? Will Steve ever be part of the band again?

Cain: I think Steve kind of closed the door. We have an open door policy. If he wants to come around and sing I’m sure Arnel will be the first to tell you he will share the stage with Steve Perry. But Steve’s kind of moved on. He’s got his own life.


The image of that just made me puke.


Why? I'm sure if they tune things down 3 notches Steve will be able to sing with Arnel just fine! :twisted: :twisted:

da debil made me do it :wink:

I'm not taking anything away from what The Voice was or brought to Journey. I'm a realist and the dream of hearing him sing in his original glory & key just isn't going to happen. I'd love nothing more than to be proven wrong, but such proof has been a long time coming.


LOL!

Does that count the step they've already tuned down to accomodate Arnel's range!? :wink:

:lol:

Steveo?!?!? I'd like to hear the answer to this!!!! :wink:


The band is constraining Arnel to make his voice last longer. The tuning down is not his choice. He still can soar high as an eagle but the band chooses to tune down. There's your answer. When he turns 60 we'll talk again and I'll have a different, newer, more better answer for you, but for now it is what it is. :wink: :D :P


So at what point will we be hearing Arnel singing these songs in the original key???? I'm pretty
sure SP did for more than one tour... :wink:


You won't anymore, except probably TV appearances or special events, DVDs, etc. SteveO is in dreamland if he thinks it's done as a preventative measure only. It is, true, a preventative measure to conserve his voice for the future, but coupled with the fact Arnel was straining on certain songs and it showed towards the end of the tour. If he sang the whole catalogue with ease and no problem, believe you me, no changes would have been made. Arnel can soar in that range and probably do many shows, but not for a whole tour with ease and without straining. Arnel is 41. Perry could still sing in that range at 41 b/c it was his natural range. Arnel, until Journey, did not sing in that upper register consistently. Jonathan admitted that in an interview and said Arnel had to get used to putting his voice in his upper register and that he actually sounded better in the middle of the tour once he got used to it.

I don't care. I'm fine with the tune-down half a step. From all the videos I've seen the band sounds great and Arnel sounds awesome. I love Arnel as the lead singer and love his voice, so to me it's not a noticeable difference in sound on most of the songs. And if this is what it takes to have Arnel with Journey for a longer time it works for me. And I agree with others, they should have done this for Augeri. But at least they learned this time around.

Very well stated, Jana....perhaps Steveo has learned something, as well!!! :wink:
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Postby steveo777 » Sun Aug 09, 2009 12:08 pm

Jana wrote:
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steveo777 wrote:
Michigan Girl wrote:
Jeremey wrote:
steveo777 wrote:
Lora wrote:
artist4perry wrote:McKinneyNews.net: I have to ask. What about Steve Perry? Will Steve ever be part of the band again?

Cain: I think Steve kind of closed the door. We have an open door policy. If he wants to come around and sing I’m sure Arnel will be the first to tell you he will share the stage with Steve Perry. But Steve’s kind of moved on. He’s got his own life.


The image of that just made me puke.


Why? I'm sure if they tune things down 3 notches Steve will be able to sing with Arnel just fine! :twisted: :twisted:

da debil made me do it :wink:

I'm not taking anything away from what The Voice was or brought to Journey. I'm a realist and the dream of hearing him sing in his original glory & key just isn't going to happen. I'd love nothing more than to be proven wrong, but such proof has been a long time coming.


LOL!

Does that count the step they've already tuned down to accomodate Arnel's range!? :wink:

:lol:

Steveo?!?!? I'd like to hear the answer to this!!!! :wink:


The band is constraining Arnel to make his voice last longer. The tuning down is not his choice. He still can soar high as an eagle but the band chooses to tune down. There's your answer. When he turns 60 we'll talk again and I'll have a different, newer, more better answer for you, but for now it is what it is. :wink: :D :P


So at what point will we be hearing Arnel singing these songs in the original key???? I'm pretty
sure SP did for more than one tour... :wink:


You won't anymore, except probably TV appearances or special events, DVDs, etc. SteveO is in dreamland if he thinks it's done as a preventative measure only. It is, true, a preventative measure to conserve his voice for the future, but coupled with the fact Arnel was straining on certain songs and it showed towards the end of the tour. If he sang the whole catalogue with ease and no problem, believe you me, no changes would have been made. Arnel can soar in that range and probably do many shows, but not for a whole tour with ease and without straining. Arnel is 41. Perry could still sing in that range at 41 b/c it was his natural range. Arnel, until Journey, did not sing in that upper register consistently. Jonathan admitted that in an interview and said Arnel had to get used to putting his voice in his upper register and that he actually sounded better in the middle of the tour once he got used to it.

I don't care. I'm fine with the tune-down half a step. From all the videos I've seen the band sounds great and Arnel sounds awesome. I love Arnel as the lead singer and love his voice, so to me it's not a noticeable difference in sound on most of the songs. And if this is what it takes to have Arnel with Journey for a longer time it works for me. And I agree with others, they should have done this for Augeri. But at least they learned this time around.


Right on. I agree with you 100% this time. I did not hear the straining you have mentioned, so I may have missed it. Huge difference between singing in the studio and having to tackle that catalog night after night.
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Postby Esc » Sun Aug 09, 2009 4:41 pm

steveo777 wrote:Does that count the step they've already tuned down to accomodate Arnel's range!? :wink:
:lol:
Steveo?!?!? I'd like to hear the answer to this!!!! :wink:


The band is constraining Arnel to make his voice last longer. The tuning down is not his choice. He still can soar high as an eagle but the band chooses to tune down. There's your answer. When he turns 60 we'll talk again and I'll have a different, newer, more better answer for you, but for now it is what it is. :wink: :D :P


i highly doubt that steve.
check out 2:33 of this clip.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cWaMxcElk8&eur

i for one got 'turned off' by them tuning down songs.
if he cannot sing the old catalogue in the original key, just freakin' give him new songs to sing on his natural range.
tailor made for pineda.
but thats wishfull thinking.
otherwise they could have stuck with JSS.

they're making money out of the novelty, and thats fine with them.
but as a fan, i feel like im being cheated.

i'm happy for arnel getting the chance of a lifetime.
but some of his fans should get a grip of reality.
you cant expect him to be the "second coming" (as deano states here always) when he's still "trying" to sing perry's songs.
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Postby portland » Sun Aug 09, 2009 4:47 pm

Esc wrote:
steveo777 wrote:Does that count the step they've already tuned down to accomodate Arnel's range!? :wink:
:lol:
Steveo?!?!? I'd like to hear the answer to this!!!! :wink:


The band is constraining Arnel to make his voice last longer. The tuning down is not his choice. He still can soar high as an eagle but the band chooses to tune down. There's your answer. When he turns 60 we'll talk again and I'll have a different, newer, more better answer for you, but for now it is what it is. :wink: :D :P


i highly doubt that steve.
check out 2:33 of this clip.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cWaMxcElk8&eur

i for one got 'turned off' by them tuning down songs.
if he cannot sing the old catalogue in the original key, just freakin' give him new songs to sing on his natural range.
tailor made for pineda.
but thats wishfull thinking.
otherwise they could have stuck with JSS.

they're making money out of the novelty, and thats fine with them.
but as a fan, i feel like im being cheated.

i'm happy for arnel getting the chance of a lifetime.
but some of his fans should get a grip of reality.
you cant expect him to be the "second coming" (as deano states here always) when he's still "trying" to sing perry's songs.




Well as I have said I don't buy that song from anyone else other than Perry
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Postby Don » Sun Aug 09, 2009 4:54 pm

portland wrote:
Esc wrote:
steveo777 wrote:Does that count the step they've already tuned down to accomodate Arnel's range!? :wink:
:lol:
Steveo?!?!? I'd like to hear the answer to this!!!! :wink:


The band is constraining Arnel to make his voice last longer. The tuning down is not his choice. He still can soar high as an eagle but the band chooses to tune down. There's your answer. When he turns 60 we'll talk again and I'll have a different, newer, more better answer for you, but for now it is what it is. :wink: :D :P


i highly doubt that steve.
check out 2:33 of this clip.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cWaMxcElk8&eur

i for one got 'turned off' by them tuning down songs.
if he cannot sing the old catalogue in the original key, just freakin' give him new songs to sing on his natural range.
tailor made for pineda.
but thats wishfull thinking.
otherwise they could have stuck with JSS.

they're making money out of the novelty, and thats fine with them.
but as a fan, i feel like im being cheated.

i'm happy for arnel getting the chance of a lifetime.
but some of his fans should get a grip of reality.
you cant expect him to be the "second coming" (as deano states here always) when he's still "trying" to sing perry's songs.




Well as I have said I don't buy that song from anyone else other than Perry


Oh my god. I just listened to that. No wonder they don't do the ROR songs. If he sang any slower, he would have been going backwards. How can that be considered better than JSS singing in the ORIGINAL key? I really hope that's just the detuning and not his voice beginning to mail it in.
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Postby Esc » Sun Aug 09, 2009 5:02 pm

that's right GB.

you know sometimes, i dont wanna click on youtube clips of their gigs anymore.
i can see cain cringe when he hears this kinda stuff.

i can relate to the loons.
i envy you guys having heard 'the voice' sing these songs live in his prime.
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Postby Don » Sun Aug 09, 2009 5:11 pm

Esc wrote:that's right GB.

you know sometimes, i dont wanna click on youtube clips of their gigs anymore.
i can see cain cringe when he hears this kinda stuff.

i can relate to the loons.
i envy you guys having heard 'the voice' sing these songs live in his prime.


I've been avoiding the clips but for some reason wanted to see what you were talking about. I never got to the point you mentioned, 45 seconds in was enough. I love that Arnel got a great opportunity, but for people to say that I 'm stuck in the past and not moving on because I fail to appreciate this kind of subpar performance is just ignorant. I see why Perry didn't tour if he was afraid of sounding like this. This is just pure money talking, and for Cain to talk about touring through the next decade? Arnel is going to be spent to the point where a solo career in the Philippines won't even be an option.
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Postby Don » Sun Aug 09, 2009 5:20 pm

Okay, I made it through the video. That scream he does near the end was just disgusting. I've listened to a lot of OPM in my day but I have never heard a Filipino singer howl like that. If Perry was the battered seal, then that was the roadkill Squirrel, just terrible. I hope this was just one performance that went awry but I kind of doubt it. You can't blame this one on Youtube, it was just brutal.

I'm just happy to have seen him last year when he still was allowed to sing and before they decided to play everything (Including the new songs) flat. :(
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Postby Esc » Sun Aug 09, 2009 9:24 pm

Gunbot wrote:That scream he does near the end was just disgusting. I've listened to a lot of OPM in my day but I have never heard a Filipino singer howl like that. If Perry was the battered seal, then that was the roadkill Squirrel, just terrible


he croaked like a toad and he knows it.
its not the first time. ive heard him say this in one of his interviews.
he usually nails that "scream" but this one was a total disaster.

he doesnt need to do that does he?
and arnel, if you're reading this:
i love you dude, your story got me through some hard times.
thats why ive stumbled upon this looneyville. :wink:

but kidding aside, take care of what you have.
dont push it.
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Postby SusieP » Sun Aug 09, 2009 10:05 pm

Esc wrote:
i highly doubt that steve.
check out 2:33 of this clip.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cWaMxcElk8&eur

i for one got 'turned off' by them tuning down songs.
if he cannot sing the old catalogue in the original key, just freakin' give him new songs to sing on his natural range.
tailor made for pineda.
but thats wishfull thinking.
otherwise they could have stuck with JSS.

they're making money out of the novelty, and thats fine with them.
but as a fan, i feel like im being cheated.

i'm happy for arnel getting the chance of a lifetime.
but some of his fans should get a grip of reality.
you cant expect him to be the "second coming" (as deano states here always) when he's still "trying" to sing perry's songs.




Oh dear.That wasn't pleasant was it.


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Postby Vladan » Sun Aug 09, 2009 10:14 pm

Well, I am somewhat disappointed. Jonathan wasn't asked about the time when Perry made him cry, because Perry took all the credit for Open Arms at a function back in 81, Jonathan apparently was balling his eyes out, recalls former Manager Herbie Herbit.
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Postby Lula » Mon Aug 10, 2009 12:53 am

steveo777 wrote:
Lora wrote:
artist4perry wrote:McKinneyNews.net: I have to ask. What about Steve Perry? Will Steve ever be part of the band again?

Cain: I think Steve kind of closed the door. We have an open door policy. If he wants to come around and sing I’m sure Arnel will be the first to tell you he will share the stage with Steve Perry. But Steve’s kind of moved on. He’s got his own life.


The image of that just made me puke.


Why? I'm sure if they tune things down 3 notches Steve will be able to sing with Arnel just fine! :twisted: :twisted:

da debil made me do it :wink:

I'm not taking anything away from what The Voice was or brought to Journey. I'm a realist and the dream of hearing him sing in his original glory & key just isn't going to happen. I'd love nothing more than to be proven wrong, but such proof has been a long time coming.


i'm thinking it's not about tuning down or original glory and key that would cause puking.
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Postby donnaplease » Mon Aug 10, 2009 1:07 am

Lula wrote:
steveo777 wrote:
Lora wrote:
artist4perry wrote:McKinneyNews.net: I have to ask. What about Steve Perry? Will Steve ever be part of the band again?

Cain: I think Steve kind of closed the door. We have an open door policy. If he wants to come around and sing I’m sure Arnel will be the first to tell you he will share the stage with Steve Perry. But Steve’s kind of moved on. He’s got his own life.


The image of that just made me puke.


Why? I'm sure if they tune things down 3 notches Steve will be able to sing with Arnel just fine! :twisted: :twisted:

da debil made me do it :wink:

I'm not taking anything away from what The Voice was or brought to Journey. I'm a realist and the dream of hearing him sing in his original glory & key just isn't going to happen. I'd love nothing more than to be proven wrong, but such proof has been a long time coming.


i'm thinking it's not about tuning down or original glory and key that would cause puking.


I'm LMAO that Lora posted it! Once again, LB, you ROCK!!! 8)
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Postby donnaplease » Mon Aug 10, 2009 1:14 am

Oh yeah, one more thing... that YT clip was simply awful! It was an embarrassment to the legacy of the song. I'm sure the people there enjoyed it, because of the 'live' factor (it does make a difference) but just listening to it on my computer makes sad for the state of Journey now. It's not truly a knock on Arnel, although I didn't think he did well on this song (and he was trying to imitate SP in many spots), it's a general statement about the lengths this band will go to stay on the road.

Arneliots, Pinheads, whatever... face reality. It was not a good performance.
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