Sept. 4/5, 2009 * Journey @ The Borgata, Atlantic City, NJ

[portland]

Just for the hell of it here my vote for the best versions of these songs for those of you who give a fuck
and his is not meant to be a slam on AP.....but if you listen to this you cannot compare the two.


WCTNGOF-Perry
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NXcJNPYdb4

Patiently - Perry
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NA0exiQOnk

you had to do this didnt you?

Yes I did......and my point is more to the fact that those songs are killer songs and maybe need to be practiced a bit more to give the preformance that they deserve. I guess alot of the fans of the current line up don't even know how they are suppose to sound or care for that matter.

[Saint John]

I just think those songs if preformed should be spot on...and from what I watched here they were not.

Ok, then let's pull out some FTLOSM tour clips and listen to Perry stagger through certain songs. What's your fucking point? The fans go there with open hearts and minds and simply want to enjoy the music. This is all about you not being able to deal with that. If it's "spot on" renditions you're looking for play your fucking loonPod.

[portland]

I just think those songs if preformed should be spot on...and from what I watched here they were not.

Ok, then let's pull out some FTLOSM tour clips and listen to Perry stagger through certain songs. What's your fucking point? The fans go there with open hearts and minds and simply want to enjoy the music. This is all about you not being able to deal with that. If it's "spot on" renditions you're looking for play your fucking loonPod.

Yes Dan I know Dan...just my opinion Dan......now I will go back to my corner....and I have a IPOD not a LOOONPOD....as I have other music on my IPOD not just Perry in a loop!

[Saint John]

I guess alot of the fans of the current line up don't even know how they are suppose to sound or care for that matter.

Why do you care? Besides, that was pretty fucking good and I don't even like Patiently...never will. Proof positive that you have sour grapes over Journey having new fans. You want to decide what the fans should and shouldn't know. Doesn't work that way.

PS I don't think it's a coinncidence that these were first performed at a casino show for an almost entirely casual audience. Seems to me that they do care. This was basically a trial run. I think it went well.

[Rick]

Wait, didn't they record an album a little over a year ago?

well i believe they did! and they play how many of those new songs? it was just the comment about arnel capturing hearts.... just rubbed me the wrong way. like i said, i'm an old grouch .

I am on the grouch couch with ya.....NEAL knows that those songs should be left alone and still here we go....lets use the Perry stuff......it just makes me dislike the band more!!!

I disagree wholeheartedly with this. The door is wide open for Perry, but he chooses not to sing. I don't hear any complaints that Castronovo is playing Smitty and Dunbar's parts, or that Cain is playing Rolie's parts. So just because Perry chooses not to sing, nobody should enjoy the privilege of seeing Journey play live again? Those songs don't belong solely to Perry. He was doing the FTLOSM tour singing Journey's stuff. They have every right to do the same, seeing that they ARE Journey.

Good morning Portland.

[portland]

I guess alot of the fans of the current line up don't even know how they are suppose to sound or care for that matter.

Why do you care? Besides, that was pretty fucking good and I don't even like Patiently...never will. Proof positive that you have sour grapes over Journey having new fans. You want to decide what the fans should and shouldn't know. Doesn't work that way.

PS I don't think it's a coinncidence that these were first performed at a casino show for an almost entirely casual audience. Seems to me that they do care. This was basically a trial run. I think it went well.

Dan I do not have sour grapes.....you and I just have different opinions.....that's all

[portland]

Wait, didn't they record an album a little over a year ago?

well i believe they did! and they play how many of those new songs? it was just the comment about arnel capturing hearts.... just rubbed me the wrong way. like i said, i'm an old grouch .

I am on the grouch couch with ya.....NEAL knows that those songs should be left alone and still here we go....lets use the Perry stuff......it just makes me dislike the band more!!!

I disagree wholeheartedly with this. The door is wide open for Perry, but he chooses not to sing. I don't hear any complaints that Castronovo is playing Smitty and Dunbar's parts, or that Cain is playing Rolie's parts. So just because Perry chooses not to sing, nobody should enjoy the privilege of seeing Journey play live again? Those songs don't belong solely to Perry. He was doing the FTLOSM tour singing Journey's stuff. They have every right to do the same, seeing that they ARE Journey.

Good morning Portland.

Good Morning Rick how to hell are ya! I know we disagree on these things but I will still put up my opinion as I am not a Shrinking Violet by anymeans. I just think that the stuff should have been practiced a bit more it seems like AP was not singing full out JMO. I guess WCTNGOF has a special place in my heart and I just like it the way it is....it was never preformed by Perry live and I really love the song.

So anywhoo....I know I will be beat down but I still post in the big girl forum so let me have it

[aliaslen]

Oh my what a beautiful live rendition. It was 2 of the songs Arnel's been asking Neal. Thanks Neal, you gave Arnel the best gift!

[Rick]

Wait, didn't they record an album a little over a year ago?

well i believe they did! and they play how many of those new songs? it was just the comment about arnel capturing hearts.... just rubbed me the wrong way. like i said, i'm an old grouch .

I am on the grouch couch with ya.....NEAL knows that those songs should be left alone and still here we go....lets use the Perry stuff......it just makes me dislike the band more!!!

I disagree wholeheartedly with this. The door is wide open for Perry, but he chooses not to sing. I don't hear any complaints that Castronovo is playing Smitty and Dunbar's parts, or that Cain is playing Rolie's parts. So just because Perry chooses not to sing, nobody should enjoy the privilege of seeing Journey play live again? Those songs don't belong solely to Perry. He was doing the FTLOSM tour singing Journey's stuff. They have every right to do the same, seeing that they ARE Journey.

Good morning Portland.

Good Morning Rick how to hell are ya! I know we disagree on these things but I will still put up my opinion as I am not a Shrinking Violet by anymeans. I just think that the stuff should have been practiced a bit more it seems like AP was not singing full out JMO. I guess WCTNGOF has a special place in my heart and I just like it the way it is....it was never preformed by Perry live and I really love the song.

So anywhoo....I know I will be beat down but I still post in the big girl forum so let me have it

You kind of got ganged up on there. Wasn't intentional. I guess everyone's awake.

[twinklestar]

Thank you for uploading...i love it....he's always wanted to do this..he said so on his visit on the sb on his site. Good for Neal to acquiesce to the birthday boy.

[Ehwmatt]

Wait, didn't they record an album a little over a year ago?

well i believe they did! and they play how many of those new songs? it was just the comment about arnel capturing hearts.... just rubbed me the wrong way. like i said, i'm an old grouch .

Look at it this way. They could have played TDTWT or WIN. They went with a Song that is a classic. This just proves Steve Perry will always be part of Journey when the music he and Neal wrote is preferred over brand new songs.
They changed up the setlist and I applaud them for that. Too bad they waited until the tour was almost over though. A lot of fans are going to feel like they missed out but this was Arnel's night for sure.
Let him sing the songs that he admired the most from Perry. Everyone should be happy, loons and pinheads combined. With the band supposedly going in a heavier direction, these moments might not come around that often.

Agreed on all counts

[Michigan Girl]

Wait, didn't they record an album a little over a year ago?

well i believe they did! and they play how many of those new songs? it was just the comment about arnel capturing hearts.... just rubbed me the wrong way. like i said, i'm an old grouch .

Look at it this way. They could have played TDTWT or WIN. They went with a Song that is a classic. This just proves Steve Perry will always be part of Journey when the music he and Neal wrote is preferred over brand new songs.
They changed up the setlist and I applaud them for that. Too bad they waited until the tour was almost over though. A lot of fans are going to feel like they missed out but this was Arnel's night for sure.
Let him sing the songs that he admired the most from Perry. Everyone should be happy, loons and pinheads combined. With the band supposedly going in a heavier direction, these moments might not come around that often.

aaaahhhh.....thank you!!

[Michigan Girl]

So...I'm confused on what some people expect from them? Move forward (and get knocked for "forgetting" the past) or toss Perrys name in every single interview worshiping him as a god? (thus the flood of folks saying "yep...they know they will never have the same magic as perry, it's doomed")

Example:

The upcoming documentary, focuses on Arnel.I guarantee there will be bitching because it's not telling the same story we've all heard before. "journey was doomed, but not to fear....Steve perrys nose is here!"

Yet if it was the full history, I guarantee people would claim they are cashing in on the legacy and only bought it because of Perry and don't have the balls to toss it behind.

So this is how a porn star feels getting double penetration every night.


On topic: WCTNGOF....I hope someone youtubes that shit.

If you have been lurking here, then you know that's how we roll around here. No need to be confused. If you want it missionary style, go hang out at Journeymusic or Plokkerville.
If you want to hang here, then lube all your holes and prepare for entry.
Simple.

LMAO!!!

[Michigan Girl]

Wow, who would have thought mixing Patiently and WCTNGOF? That haters won't ruin it for me. That was awesome to hear that song finally in a live setting.

I actually don't see anyone hating but to each his own.

Bitching, moaning, hating. It's all the same to me.

You are wrong!!!

[Michigan Girl]

Just for the hell of it here my vote for the best versions of these songs for those of you who give a fuck
and his is not meant to be a slam on AP.....but if you listen to this you cannot compare the two.


WCTNGOF-Perry
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NXcJNPYdb4

Patiently - Perry
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NA0exiQOnk

you had to do this didnt you?

Happens...

[JasonD]

Wait, didn't they record an album a little over a year ago?

well i believe they did! and they play how many of those new songs? it was just the comment about arnel capturing hearts.... just rubbed me the wrong way. like i said, i'm an old grouch .

I am on the grouch couch with ya.....NEAL knows that those songs should be left alone and still here we go....lets use the Perry stuff......it just makes me dislike the band more!!!

I disagree wholeheartedly with this. The door is wide open for Perry, but he chooses not to sing. I don't hear any complaints that Castronovo is playing Smitty and Dunbar's parts, or that Cain is playing Rolie's parts. So just because Perry chooses not to sing, nobody should enjoy the privilege of seeing Journey play live again? Those songs don't belong solely to Perry. He was doing the FTLOSM tour singing Journey's stuff. They have every right to do the same, seeing that they ARE Journey.

Good morning Portland.

Good Morning Rick how to hell are ya! I know we disagree on these things but I will still put up my opinion as I am not a Shrinking Violet by anymeans. I just think that the stuff should have been practiced a bit more it seems like AP was not singing full out JMO. I guess WCTNGOF has a special place in my heart and I just like it the way it is....it was never preformed by Perry live and I really love the song.

So anywhoo....I know I will be beat down but I still post in the big girl forum so let me have it

You kind of got ganged up on there. Wasn't intentional. I guess everyone's awake.

Oh---- if only Andrew would create a separate Steve Perry forum, we wouldn't have these kind of confrontations. (*pine....yearn....wish upon a star*)

Hey, wait a minute. He did----so what gives?

I love you, Portland, but you know what they say: "When in Rome.........................."

[portland]

Wait, didn't they record an album a little over a year ago?

well i believe they did! and they play how many of those new songs? it was just the comment about arnel capturing hearts.... just rubbed me the wrong way. like i said, i'm an old grouch .

I am on the grouch couch with ya.....NEAL knows that those songs should be left alone and still here we go....lets use the Perry stuff......it just makes me dislike the band more!!!

I disagree wholeheartedly with this. The door is wide open for Perry, but he chooses not to sing. I don't hear any complaints that Castronovo is playing Smitty and Dunbar's parts, or that Cain is playing Rolie's parts. So just because Perry chooses not to sing, nobody should enjoy the privilege of seeing Journey play live again? Those songs don't belong solely to Perry. He was doing the FTLOSM tour singing Journey's stuff. They have every right to do the same, seeing that they ARE Journey.

Good morning Portland.

Good Morning Rick how to hell are ya! I know we disagree on these things but I will still put up my opinion as I am not a Shrinking Violet by anymeans. I just think that the stuff should have been practiced a bit more it seems like AP was not singing full out JMO. I guess WCTNGOF has a special place in my heart and I just like it the way it is....it was never preformed by Perry live and I really love the song.

So anywhoo....I know I will be beat down but I still post in the big girl forum so let me have it

You kind of got ganged up on there. Wasn't intentional. I guess everyone's awake.

Oh---- if only Andrew would create a separate Steve Perry forum, we wouldn't have these kind of confrontations. (*pine....yearn....wish upon a star*)

Hey, wait a minute. He did----so what gives?

I love you, Portland, but you know what they say: "When in Rome.........................."

Well Jason this is a Journey Forum and SMFP did sing the songs we are discussing so I guess this must be the crossover that Andrew was talking about!!! Do you need a diagram or something???


Love you too

[Lula]

thanks for the youtube. arnel has a lovely voice. his difficulty with articulation is distracting. he can't seem to pronounce the 's' as the last sound. apples and oranges, no one will ever duplicate the original and i wouldn't want that. what was, was, we're all older now. let days gone by live on in our memories.

i don't have a problem at all with journey playing older stuff. it's a helluva lot better than the same old songs night after night and i imagine more fun for the players. i simply took issue with 'arnel capturing hearts with these songs' comment and as i stated- i'm just an old grouch. i'm happy journey has new fans- someone has to keep going to shows and i'm certainly not. more power to them.

[Rick]

Wait, didn't they record an album a little over a year ago?

well i believe they did! and they play how many of those new songs? it was just the comment about arnel capturing hearts.... just rubbed me the wrong way. like i said, i'm an old grouch .

I am on the grouch couch with ya.....NEAL knows that those songs should be left alone and still here we go....lets use the Perry stuff......it just makes me dislike the band more!!!

I disagree wholeheartedly with this. The door is wide open for Perry, but he chooses not to sing. I don't hear any complaints that Castronovo is playing Smitty and Dunbar's parts, or that Cain is playing Rolie's parts. So just because Perry chooses not to sing, nobody should enjoy the privilege of seeing Journey play live again? Those songs don't belong solely to Perry. He was doing the FTLOSM tour singing Journey's stuff. They have every right to do the same, seeing that they ARE Journey.

Good morning Portland.

Good Morning Rick how to hell are ya! I know we disagree on these things but I will still put up my opinion as I am not a Shrinking Violet by anymeans. I just think that the stuff should have been practiced a bit more it seems like AP was not singing full out JMO. I guess WCTNGOF has a special place in my heart and I just like it the way it is....it was never preformed by Perry live and I really love the song.

So anywhoo....I know I will be beat down but I still post in the big girl forum so let me have it

You kind of got ganged up on there. Wasn't intentional. I guess everyone's awake.

Oh---- if only Andrew would create a separate Steve Perry forum, we wouldn't have these kind of confrontations. (*pine....yearn....wish upon a star*)

Hey, wait a minute. He did----so what gives?

I love you, Portland, but you know what they say: "When in Rome.........................."

She's just stuck on Loon Street. She thinks Pinhead Parkway is the other side of the tracks.

[Ehwmatt]

thanks for the youtube. arnel has a lovely voice. his difficulty with articulation is distracting. he can't seem to pronounce the 's' as the last sound. apples and oranges, no one will ever duplicate the original and i wouldn't want that. what was, was, we're all older now. let days gone by live on in our memories.

i don't have a problem at all with journey playing older stuff. it's a helluva lot better than the same old songs night after night and i imagine more fun for the players. i simply took issue with 'arnel capturing hearts with these songs' comment and as i stated- i'm just an old grouch. i'm happy journey has new fans- someone has to keep going to shows and i'm certainly not. more power to them.

1st bolded point - Agreed. It is very distracting and gives the music a sense of illegitimacy to me... he does have great pipes, that's a given, but I can do without the accent.

2nd bolded point - Taking issue with a subjective feeling felt in the heat of a live performance just doesn't jive with me. People are entitled to be moved, regardless of whether it's the original singer or the 200th singer

[portland]

Wait, didn't they record an album a little over a year ago?

well i believe they did! and they play how many of those new songs? it was just the comment about arnel capturing hearts.... just rubbed me the wrong way. like i said, i'm an old grouch .

I am on the grouch couch with ya.....NEAL knows that those songs should be left alone and still here we go....lets use the Perry stuff......it just makes me dislike the band more!!!

I disagree wholeheartedly with this. The door is wide open for Perry, but he chooses not to sing. I don't hear any complaints that Castronovo is playing Smitty and Dunbar's parts, or that Cain is playing Rolie's parts. So just because Perry chooses not to sing, nobody should enjoy the privilege of seeing Journey play live again? Those songs don't belong solely to Perry. He was doing the FTLOSM tour singing Journey's stuff. They have every right to do the same, seeing that they ARE Journey.

Good morning Portland.

Good Morning Rick how to hell are ya! I know we disagree on these things but I will still put up my opinion as I am not a Shrinking Violet by anymeans. I just think that the stuff should have been practiced a bit more it seems like AP was not singing full out JMO. I guess WCTNGOF has a special place in my heart and I just like it the way it is....it was never preformed by Perry live and I really love the song.

So anywhoo....I know I will be beat down but I still post in the big girl forum so let me have it

You kind of got ganged up on there. Wasn't intentional. I guess everyone's awake.

Oh---- if only Andrew would create a separate Steve Perry forum, we wouldn't have these kind of confrontations. (*pine....yearn....wish upon a star*)

Hey, wait a minute. He did----so what gives?

I love you, Portland, but you know what they say: "When in Rome.........................."

She's just stuck on Loon Street. She thinks Pinhead Parkway is the other side of the tracks.

Nope I will drive on both streets....much to the dismay of some

[Michigan Girl]

Oh---- if only Andrew would create a separate Steve Perry forum, we wouldn't have these kind of confrontations. (*pine....yearn....wish upon a star*)

Hey, wait a minute. He did----so what gives?

I love you, Portland, but you know what they say: "When in Rome.........................."

This ^^^^ is an ignorant statement!!

[Lula]

2nd bolded point - Taking issue with a subjective feeling felt in the heat of a live performance just doesn't jive with me. People are entitled to be moved, regardless of whether it's the original singer or the 200th singer

doesn't have to jive with you or anyone as it is my feeling. i'm not trying to convince anyone to feel this way.
it is what it is .

[JasonD]

Oh---- if only Andrew would create a separate Steve Perry forum, we wouldn't have these kind of confrontations. (*pine....yearn....wish upon a star*)

Hey, wait a minute. He did----so what gives?

I love you, Portland, but you know what they say: "When in Rome.........................."

This ^^^^ is an ignorant statement!!

Why is that?

[fightingilliniJRNY]

Stellar performance by AP. And more importantly - going from Patiently to Why Can't This Night Go On Forever back to Patiently is brilliant. Well done, Journey. That's the kind of stuff people have been dying to see.

I challenge anybody to find fault with Journey's choice to add these two gems into the set, and then blending them together like they did. That's not playing it safe. Plus, I think I saw that Feelin' That Way / Anytime, Higher Place and Keep On Runnin' were also played, along with the three from Revelation they've been playing. I know it's expected for them to branch out in longer sets like they played at the Borgata last night...but this was unexpected.

[twinklestar]

FEELING THAT WAY & ANYTIME

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvavWzWUE6c

[StoneCold]

FEELING THAT WAY & ANYTIME

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvavWzWUE6c

Nice to hear this being done live but why the hell can't Rolie come in and guest on this tune sometime?

[Change4Better]

I like Arnel's version better just because of the extra roughness and power.

[Michigan Girl]

Oh---- if only Andrew would create a separate Steve Perry forum, we wouldn't have these kind of confrontations. (*pine....yearn....wish upon a star*)

Hey, wait a minute. He did----so what gives?

I love you, Portland, but you know what they say: "When in Rome.........................."

This ^^^^ is an ignorant statement!!

Why is that?

Sorry, Jason...forgot to bold ^^^^....

You're trying to send Portland to her room for
expressing an opinion HERE!!
You can choose to agree or not...
As G~boy stated earlier, lube up!!! God, I LOVE that!!!

[RocknRoll]

FEELING THAT WAY & ANYTIME

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvavWzWUE6c

Nice to hear this being done live but why the hell can't Rolie come in and guest on this tune sometime?

This is still my favorite Journey combo, AP & JC are doing a great job with it, But I too would love to see Rolie live just one time on this.