Manila DVD Debuts at #1 on Billboard DVD Chart

[isla]

Definitely a huge accomplishment - #1 is great news. But, why won't they ever put any behind the scenes footage on their live DVD's???? Just watched the new Foreigner DVD - tons of behind the scenes and very fan friendly. Many have asked for tours of Neal's rig, backstage stuff, etc.... and it always falls on deaf ears. If there is a Blu Ray coming in December they should add a little something.

You get to see all of that, and then some, in the documentary film - "Don't Stp Believin': Everyman's Journey".

[texafana]

Awesome DVD, for $10.00. wow...

[Red13JoePa]

I can't even imagine how well it would have sold had it been available. By all accounts, it was not available at about half of the Wal Marts. Week 2 should be strong as well.

Yes to all points.

[Jana]

"Live In Manila has the second best DVD debut sales week of 2009, according to Nielsen SoundScan."

Nice.

[Pelata]

I'm sure the $10 pricetag helped these numbers...were it $19.99 or something it would not have had that strong an opening week...

[brywool]

Well....well....if one lives long enough they get to see everything. On behalf of the naysayers, I'm LMAO!

"Oh, he won't last 2 weeks" ,"oh he's not American", "oh, he's shorter than Neal", "oh, karaoke", "oh, tribute band"

[brywool]

I'm sure the $10 pricetag helped these numbers...were it $19.99 or something it would not have had that strong an opening week...

it's always something.
Dang, the band gives people a major deal and they get slammed for it? I don't understand that at all.
It was a great package (production values aside for the hardcore audiofiles out there). It's a decent disc of a great show.

[Jana]

I'm sure the $10 pricetag helped these numbers...were it $19.99 or something it would not have had that strong an opening week...

it's always something.
Dang, the band gives people a major deal and they get slammed for it? I don't understand that at all.
It was a great package (production values aside for the hardcore audio files out there). It's a decent disc of a great show.

You had to know that someone would come in here and post that couldn't stand that Journey is doing fantastic.

[Rick]

Well....well....if one lives long enough they get to see everything. On behalf of the naysayers, I'm LMAO!

"Oh, he won't last 2 weeks" ,"oh he's not American", "oh, he's shorter than Neal", "oh, karaoke", "oh, tribute band"

I was one of those morons belching that shit at the onset. I don't know why. I realized what a complete ass I was being though. Arnel is the shit.

[brywool]

I'm sure the $10 pricetag helped these numbers...were it $19.99 or something it would not have had that strong an opening week...

it's always something.
Dang, the band gives people a major deal and they get slammed for it? I don't understand that at all.
It was a great package (production values aside for the hardcore audio files out there). It's a decent disc of a great show.

You had to know that someone would come in here and post that couldn't stand that Journey is doing fantastic.

Well no offence to Pelata or anything- but it just seems to me that the band cannot win no matter what they do. How frustrating that must be for them. Granted, nobody's gonna like everything...
I wish that more dvds and cds were that inexpensive. Might help a slumping music economy.
I don't care if people gripe, but it seems that now we're just looking for anything (from the slightest accent creeping in, to Neal's divorce roster ????).

I think it did well because of the publicity it had and also because it was a good product. DSB on Oprah was great, Faithfully- ehhh, but still, their performance and their story (real, fake, spun, or whatever) is selling them product. That's great for Journey.

Sorry, not sure why the anti-Arnel stuff gets to me so much. I guess if the last singer was in there and I was whinin' (as I was) it'd be the same.
Carry on!

hmm... I think it bugs me because I'd kill to have a voice like that guy. Holy Crap....

[Pelata]

I'm not hating on the band...I'm just saying...deals help and the band (Walmart) giving the fans a deal is a good thing...good for the fans (cheap) and good for the band (high initial sales).

Sheesh...make a comment and get chastised for it...

[Red13JoePa]

:lol:

I'm not hating on the band...I'm just saying...deals help and the band (Walmart) giving the fans a deal is a good thing...good for the fans (cheap) and good for the band (high initial sales).

Sheesh...make a comment and get chastised for it...

Revelation's back on the charts too well more than a year after release is it far out enough yet not to dismiss those as "high initial sales?"

[brywool]

:lol:

I'm not hating on the band...I'm just saying...deals help and the band (Walmart) giving the fans a deal is a good thing...good for the fans (cheap) and good for the band (high initial sales).

Sheesh...make a comment and get chastised for it...

Nah, you were just one of the pile ons... as I said "no offense to Pelata" (of course, I've read tons of your posts where u just don't dig the new Journey- oh well )
Deals DO help, sure, but if it's a shit product, nobody's gonna pay ANYTHING for it.

There's nothing written that says everybody has to like Arnel or new Journey or anything, but I'm just going - Man, they've gotta number 1 dvd, an album that's a year old re-entering the charts (even if it is at a high number), and a couple of successful tours, yet peeps are still going "Oh, they'll never make it, they suck, they're not this, they're not that..."

Well, one thing they are is more successful then they've been in over a decade. Pretty friggin' cool if you ask me.

[Pelata]

:lol:

I'm not hating on the band...I'm just saying...deals help and the band (Walmart) giving the fans a deal is a good thing...good for the fans (cheap) and good for the band (high initial sales).

Sheesh...make a comment and get chastised for it...

Revelation's back on the charts too well more than a year after release is it far out enough yet not to dismiss those as "high initial sales?"

I didn't dismiss anything...just talking about the DVD...but as for Revelation (which IMO isn't "bad", just "not bad"...if that makes sense) reappearing on the charts, send thank-you notes to Oprah for giving them the spotlight once again...and before someone says it, being on Oprah is not a bad thing either.

Ya'll sure are a sensitive bunch...

[brywool]

:lol:

I'm not hating on the band...I'm just saying...deals help and the band (Walmart) giving the fans a deal is a good thing...good for the fans (cheap) and good for the band (high initial sales).

Sheesh...make a comment and get chastised for it...

Revelation's back on the charts too well more than a year after release is it far out enough yet not to dismiss those as "high initial sales?"

I didn't dismiss anything...just talking about the DVD...but as for Revelation (which IMO isn't "bad", just "not bad"...if that makes sense) reappearing on the charts, send thank-you notes to Oprah for giving them the spotlight once again...and before someone says it, being on Oprah is not a bad thing either.

Ya'll sure are a sensitive bunch...

I totally acknowledged the Oprah stuff. You just got caught in the crossfire or the "Line of Fire"

[Rick]

:lol:

I'm not hating on the band...I'm just saying...deals help and the band (Walmart) giving the fans a deal is a good thing...good for the fans (cheap) and good for the band (high initial sales).

Sheesh...make a comment and get chastised for it...

Revelation's back on the charts too well more than a year after release is it far out enough yet not to dismiss those as "high initial sales?"

I didn't dismiss anything...just talking about the DVD...but as for Revelation (which IMO isn't "bad", just "not bad"...if that makes sense) reappearing on the charts, send thank-you notes to Oprah for giving them the spotlight once again...and before someone says it, being on Oprah is not a bad thing either.

Ya'll sure are a sensitive bunch...

Yes, yes we are.

Oprah was great exposure, and I'm sure that's got a lot to do with extra sales. The whole program had the "Don't Stop Believin'" theme, so they couldn't have bought and payed for better advertising.

With all of that said, Journey is on a high that hasn't been seen in a very long time. It's good to be a Journey fan right now. Probably good to be a Journey member right now too.

[brywool]

The sales bump had EVERYTHING to do with Oprah, but it wouldn't get the bump if it wasn't decent.

[Jana]

The sales bump had EVERYTHING to do with Oprah, but it wouldn't get the bump if it wasn't decent.

Right. I was surprised a lot of people in my neighborhood saw O, and every single person said, wow, what a voice, that guy can sing, on and on. It piqued their interest and seeing Journey was still around, which they didn't know. When I went to buy the DVD, the assistant manager who helped me when they were sold out told me he had been in the back looking for the next shipment for customers and b/c he saw them on Oprah and thought that Arnel was an amazing singer he also wanted the live DVD. Then he was asking me about Revelation, how I liked it,b/c he was thinking about buying that too. The talent had to be there for this band to take advantage of Oprah.

[fightingilliniJRNY]

Right. I was surprised a lot of people in my neighborhood saw O, and every single person said, wow, what a voice, that guy can sing, on and on. It piqued their interest and seeing Journey was still around, which they didn't know. When I went to buy the DVD, the assistant manager who helped me when they were sold out told me he had been in the back looking for the next shipment for customers since they were sold out and b/c he saw them on Oprah and thought that Arnel was an amazing singer he also wanted the live DVD. Then he was asking me about Revelation, how I liked it,b/c he was thinking about buying that too. The talent had to be there for this band to take advantage of Oprah.

That, right there, is why I feel it would be a mistake to not tour behind a new album in 2010. You cannot buy the kind of publicity they've gotten in the last year-and-a-half. To disappear after all this positive publicity and press and the success of Revelation, the Manila DVD and two legs of the Revelation Tour would be foolish.

[Pelata]

:lol:

I'm not hating on the band...I'm just saying...deals help and the band (Walmart) giving the fans a deal is a good thing...good for the fans (cheap) and good for the band (high initial sales).

Sheesh...make a comment and get chastised for it...

Revelation's back on the charts too well more than a year after release is it far out enough yet not to dismiss those as "high initial sales?"

I didn't dismiss anything...just talking about the DVD...but as for Revelation (which IMO isn't "bad", just "not bad"...if that makes sense) reappearing on the charts, send thank-you notes to Oprah for giving them the spotlight once again...and before someone says it, being on Oprah is not a bad thing either.

Ya'll sure are a sensitive bunch...

I totally acknowledged the Oprah stuff. You just got caught in the crossfire or the "Line of Fire"

Good one...

Obviously several hundred thousand people still care about Journey and are enjoying their current resurgence...more power to the band and the fans. I don't hate the band or thier success or the fans for enjoying it.

But, if you ask me (and you didn't ), Revelation's success comes down to 50% saavy marketing, 50% underdog/rags-to-riches factor. The music is good, but so was Arrival and it tanked.

It's the American Idol syndrome. America LOVES an underdog...a rags-to-riches story.

- It's why Taylor Hicks and Fantasia won American Idol yet have no actual music careers to speak of (I don't count stage acting as a music career)...

- It's why Revelation went Platinum but you hear not a single song (or barely hear it) on the radio.

- It's why Journey was even on Oprah in the first place...Arnel's underdog tie-in.

Were the exact same album put out w/ JSS or Augeri or Jeremy Hunsicker IN Walmart or everywhere but Walmart, and not had that YouTube/underdog/rags-to-riches marketing angle, there's no way it would have gone Platinum.

I'd even go as far as to say that if the singer found on YouTube was not from some sort of hardship background, just some dude who could sing, it would not have gone Platinum...it just would have been on CNN for a few days (like whats-his-name from Home Depot who sings in Boston).

Heck, Trial By Fire barely went Platinum and Steve Perry was IN the freakin' band.

[Red13JoePa]

In the business world, and entertainment is a business, promotion is a key cornerstone to STAYING in business.


Journey cheats, though, if they promote something (horrors!!!) and it sells a lot (GASPS!!!!)

Then the BEAUTY of THIS hypocrisy is that the Journey bashers when asked how Kinnison will outsell Revelation, say "Easy!!! He'll be making the rounds!!! He'll be on Oprah, Letterman, Conan, Larry King, Leno, Saturday Nite Live, The Muppet Show, NPR, Laugh In..."

[Pelata]

In the business world, and entertainment is a business, promotion is a key cornerstone to STAYING in business.


Journey cheats, though, if they promote something (horrors!!!) and it sells a lot (GASPS!!!!)

Then the BEAUTY of THIS hypocrisy is that the Journey bashers when asked how Kinnison will outsell Revelation, say "Easy!!! He'll be making the rounds!!! He'll be on Oprah, Letterman, Conan, Larry King, Leno, Saturday Nite Live, The Muppet Show, NPR, Laugh In..."

Dear lord...I did not say they were "cheating"...it was a golden (Platinum) opportunity and they took it...they were smart...it's what business men do.

[Michigan Girl]

:lol:

I'm not hating on the band...I'm just saying...deals help and the band (Walmart) giving the fans a deal is a good thing...good for the fans (cheap) and good for the band (high initial sales).

Sheesh...make a comment and get chastised for it...

Revelation's back on the charts too well more than a year after release is it far out enough yet not to dismiss those as "high initial sales?"

I didn't dismiss anything...just talking about the DVD...but as for Revelation (which IMO isn't "bad", just "not bad"...if that makes sense) reappearing on the charts, send thank-you notes to Oprah for giving them the spotlight once again...and before someone says it, being on Oprah is not a bad thing either.

Ya'll sure are a sensitive bunch...

I totally acknowledged the Oprah stuff. You just got caught in the crossfire or the "Line of Fire"

Good one...

Obviously several hundred thousand people still care about Journey and are enjoying their current resurgence...more power to the band and the fans. I don't hate the band or thier success or the fans for enjoying it.

But, if you ask me (and you didn't ), Revelation's success comes down to 50% saavy marketing, 50% underdog/rags-to-riches factor. The music is good, but so was Arrival and it tanked.

It's the American Idol syndrome. America LOVES an underdog...a rags-to-riches story.

- It's why Taylor Hicks and Fantasia won American Idol yet have no actual music careers to speak of (I don't count stage acting as a music career)...

- It's why Revelation went Platinum but you hear not a single song (or barely hear it) on the radio.

- It's why Journey was even on Oprah in the first place...Arnel's underdog tie-in.

Were the exact same album put out w/ JSS or Augeri or Jeremy Hunsicker IN Walmart or everywhere but Walmart, and not had that YouTube/underdog/rags-to-riches marketing angle, there's no way it would have gone Platinum.

I'd even go as far as to say that if the singer found on YouTube was not from some sort of hardship background, just some dude who could sing, it would not have gone Platinum...it just would have been on CNN for a few days (like whats-his-name from Home Depot who sings in Boston).

Heck, Trial By Fire barely went Platinum and Steve Perry was IN the freakin' band.

Excellent post....and you're not even a hater, imagine that!!

[Red13JoePa]

In the business world, and entertainment is a business, promotion is a key cornerstone to STAYING in business.


Journey cheats, though, if they promote something (horrors!!!) and it sells a lot (GASPS!!!!)

Then the BEAUTY of THIS hypocrisy is that the Journey bashers when asked how Kinnison will outsell Revelation, say "Easy!!! He'll be making the rounds!!! He'll be on Oprah, Letterman, Conan, Larry King, Leno, Saturday Nite Live, The Muppet Show, NPR, Laugh In..."

Dear lord...I did not say they were "cheating"...it was a golden (Platinum) opportunity and they took it...they were smart...it's what business men do.

Nice backpedaling but although you weren't "SAYING" it you were implying it.
Now called and pumped full of facts by a few of us you're offering belated proper congratulations on 2 successful releases by the band.

[Jana]

In the business world, and entertainment is a business, promotion is a key cornerstone to STAYING in business.


Journey cheats, though, if they promote something (horrors!!!) and it sells a lot (GASPS!!!!)

Then the BEAUTY of THIS hypocrisy is that the Journey bashers when asked how Kinnison will outsell Revelation, say "Easy!!! He'll be making the rounds!!! He'll be on Oprah, Letterman, Conan, Larry King, Leno, Saturday Nite Live, The Muppet Show, NPR, Laugh In..."

Dear lord...I did not say they were "cheating"...it was a golden (Platinum) opportunity and they took it...they were smart...it's what business men do.

Nice backpedaling but although you weren't "SAYING" it you were implying it.
Now called and pumped full of facts by a few of us you're offering belated proper congratulations on 2 successful releases by the band.

[Pelata]

In the business world, and entertainment is a business, promotion is a key cornerstone to STAYING in business.


Journey cheats, though, if they promote something (horrors!!!) and it sells a lot (GASPS!!!!)

Then the BEAUTY of THIS hypocrisy is that the Journey bashers when asked how Kinnison will outsell Revelation, say "Easy!!! He'll be making the rounds!!! He'll be on Oprah, Letterman, Conan, Larry King, Leno, Saturday Nite Live, The Muppet Show, NPR, Laugh In..."

Dear lord...I did not say they were "cheating"...it was a golden (Platinum) opportunity and they took it...they were smart...it's what business men do.

Nice backpedaling but although you weren't "SAYING" it you were implying it.
Now called and pumped full of facts by a few of us you're offering belated proper congratulations on 2 successful releases by the band.

I wasn't implying anything.

Of course if Arnel could not sing the tactic would not have worked. I can't help it if I don't get into it (and I was a rabid fan for years and years). Even if I loved Revelation and hailed it as the second-coming of Escape it doesn't change the fact that the majority of it's success has to do with smart marketing and timing and not because of how good it is. The marketing put it in people's faces and they discovered they liked it. Had Revelation come out on Frontiers w/ JSS on it, people in Indiana would still think Journey broke up in 1987...and I may have liked it a little better.

[brywool]

:lol:

I'm not hating on the band...I'm just saying...deals help and the band (Walmart) giving the fans a deal is a good thing...good for the fans (cheap) and good for the band (high initial sales).

Sheesh...make a comment and get chastised for it...

Revelation's back on the charts too well more than a year after release is it far out enough yet not to dismiss those as "high initial sales?"

I didn't dismiss anything...just talking about the DVD...but as for Revelation (which IMO isn't "bad", just "not bad"...if that makes sense) reappearing on the charts, send thank-you notes to Oprah for giving them the spotlight once again...and before someone says it, being on Oprah is not a bad thing either.

Ya'll sure are a sensitive bunch...

I totally acknowledged the Oprah stuff. You just got caught in the crossfire or the "Line of Fire"

Good one...

Obviously several hundred thousand people still care about Journey and are enjoying their current resurgence...more power to the band and the fans. I don't hate the band or thier success or the fans for enjoying it.

But, if you ask me (and you didn't ), Revelation's success comes down to 50% saavy marketing, 50% underdog/rags-to-riches factor. The music is good, but so was Arrival and it tanked.

It's the American Idol syndrome. America LOVES an underdog...a rags-to-riches story.

- It's why Taylor Hicks and Fantasia won American Idol yet have no actual music careers to speak of (I don't count stage acting as a music career)...

- It's why Revelation went Platinum but you hear not a single song (or barely hear it) on the radio.

- It's why Journey was even on Oprah in the first place...Arnel's underdog tie-in.

Were the exact same album put out w/ JSS or Augeri or Jeremy Hunsicker IN Walmart or everywhere but Walmart, and not had that YouTube/underdog/rags-to-riches marketing angle, there's no way it would have gone Platinum.

I'd even go as far as to say that if the singer found on YouTube was not from some sort of hardship background, just some dude who could sing, it would not have gone Platinum...it just would have been on CNN for a few days (like whats-his-name from Home Depot who sings in Boston).

Heck, Trial By Fire barely went Platinum and Steve Perry was IN the freakin' band.

Most of what you're saying, I agree with. However- the guy CAN sing and is doing a hell of a job. Of COURSE it's savvy Marketing. Arrival DID NOT have that. Also, it sounds like the Oprah thing- well, people thought Journey was gone. They didn't realize that the band was even out there. THAT IS marketing's fault, for sure.

The hardship background, I really don't agree with- however, I don't think Arnel would be the singer he is without that. It's given him soul.

TBF coulda done better had Perry not bailed. Once he did that, all promotion stopped, and rightfully so.

One more thing on Arrival and I don't wanna piss off the Augeri fans (I AM ONE)- Paint it any way you want it, but Steve A. is just not the vocalist that Pineda is. Doesn't have the power or the sense of pitch that Arnel has. Even in the beginning. Augeri's recorded stuff is great. His live stuff just wasn't.
My opinion....

One more thing--

If you ever [ E V E R ] mention Taylor Hicks in the Journey forum, I will personally come to your house and F' you up!!!!

Seriously- WHO the HELL voted for THAT guy????
But, having said that, he was good in Oceans 11

[Jana]

:lol:

I'm not hating on the band...I'm just saying...deals help and the band (Walmart) giving the fans a deal is a good thing...good for the fans (cheap) and good for the band (high initial sales).

Sheesh...make a comment and get chastised for it...

Revelation's back on the charts too well more than a year after release is it far out enough yet not to dismiss those as "high initial sales?"

I didn't dismiss anything...just talking about the DVD...but as for Revelation (which IMO isn't "bad", just "not bad"...if that makes sense) reappearing on the charts, send thank-you notes to Oprah for giving them the spotlight once again...and before someone says it, being on Oprah is not a bad thing either.

Ya'll sure are a sensitive bunch...

I totally acknowledged the Oprah stuff. You just got caught in the crossfire or the "Line of Fire"

Good one...

Obviously several hundred thousand people still care about Journey and are enjoying their current resurgence...more power to the band and the fans. I don't hate the band or thier success or the fans for enjoying it.

But, if you ask me (and you didn't ), Revelation's success comes down to 50% saavy marketing, 50% underdog/rags-to-riches factor. The music is good, but so was Arrival and it tanked.

It's the American Idol syndrome. America LOVES an underdog...a rags-to-riches story.

- It's why Taylor Hicks and Fantasia won American Idol yet have no actual music careers to speak of (I don't count stage acting as a music career)...

- It's why Revelation went Platinum but you hear not a single song (or barely hear it) on the radio.

- It's why Journey was even on Oprah in the first place...Arnel's underdog tie-in.

Were the exact same album put out w/ JSS or Augeri or Jeremy Hunsicker IN Walmart or everywhere but Walmart, and not had that YouTube/underdog/rags-to-riches marketing angle, there's no way it would have gone Platinum.

I'd even go as far as to say that if the singer found on YouTube was not from some sort of hardship background, just some dude who could sing, it would not have gone Platinum...it just would have been on CNN for a few days (like whats-his-name from Home Depot who sings in Boston).

Heck, Trial By Fire barely went Platinum and Steve Perry was IN the freakin' band.

I'm adding one thing in here, which is totally my opinion, it's also with that hype of his background and hiring, Arnel has a flat-out amazing voice, and much better than JSS or Hunsicker to me, so that is what moves people, once they hear his story, to be interested in buying, is ultimately his stunning voice.

[Pelata]

Jana - I agree with you. The fact that Arnel can sing made the angle work...that had to be in place.

[Red13JoePa]

And they lied about or misrepresented in any way Pineda's background and circumstances surrounding his hiring where, exactly again?