OFFICIAL NFL Week by Week Thread:

[Enigma869]

The Cardinals are def a sleeper

You do realize that the Cardinals were in the Super Bowl last year, right? No team who went to the Super Bowl the previous season is allowed to be called "a sleeper"!

[YoungJRNY]

The Cardinals are def a sleeper

You do realize that the Cardinals were in the Super Bowl last year, right? No team who went to the Super Bowl the previous season is allowed to be called "a sleeper"!

But on the flipside to all of that, the history shows that the Super Bowl representatives from the year before rarely make the playoffs that next season. Plus, the Cards didn't really dominant in anyway shape or form last year in the regular season to really convince anyone that they could carry that SB season into this season.

[Enigma869]

John, from another thread:

It's a fair question. I can't remember the last time Indy played the Patriots in New England. On another note, I see the Patriots either losing against the Colts or New Orleans in the next couple of weeks. I'm fairly convinced that they'll hand one of these teams their first loss. Right now, I'm leaning toward the Patriots upsetting the Colts in a very close game on Sunday night.[/list]

I agree, John. BUT, being a New England fan, you must know that the biggest flaw the Patriots have had with Indy is coming up with a gameplan for the TE position. I fully expect Dallas Clark to run rampant in the middle of the field, and in the flat. I'm not afraid of Addai, and I'm not afraid of Peyton. If Bill has finally figured out a plan for Clark, I see a blowout.

Secondly, I'm not afraid of Brees. Side note: The Pats secondary has a huge flaw. giving the opposing receivers too much cushion, especially on possession downs. (read: 3rd and long). TE gameplanning, and 3rd and long have killed us like forever. If your D-line is getting pressure on opposing QB...play up, jump the route....don't give a 5-yard cushion on 3rd a 3, cause you know a quick dump off is coming before the receiver has even turned around(and you can't defend that).

I don't know....just some things I've noticed.

What does that prove? It's just another thread where you're yet again overlooking one of the top receivers in the league. Listen, I'm not here saying the Colts are unstoppable. I think everyone knows where my allegiance lies. I'm simply saying that if you understand football and are even a bit objective, you simply cannot overlook Reggie Wayne and Peyton Manning. They're as good or better than ANY other QB/WR tandem in the entire NFL!

[YoungJRNY]

John, from another thread:

It's a fair question. I can't remember the last time Indy played the Patriots in New England. On another note, I see the Patriots either losing against the Colts or New Orleans in the next couple of weeks. I'm fairly convinced that they'll hand one of these teams their first loss. Right now, I'm leaning toward the Patriots upsetting the Colts in a very close game on Sunday night.[/list]

I agree, John. BUT, being a New England fan, you must know that the biggest flaw the Patriots have had with Indy is coming up with a gameplan for the TE position. I fully expect Dallas Clark to run rampant in the middle of the field, and in the flat. I'm not afraid of Addai, and I'm not afraid of Peyton. If Bill has finally figured out a plan for Clark, I see a blowout.

Secondly, I'm not afraid of Brees. Side note: The Pats secondary has a huge flaw. giving the opposing receivers too much cushion, especially on possession downs. (read: 3rd and long). TE gameplanning, and 3rd and long have killed us like forever. If your D-line is getting pressure on opposing QB...play up, jump the route....don't give a 5-yard cushion on 3rd a 3, cause you know a quick dump off is coming before the receiver has even turned around(and you can't defend that).

I don't know....just some things I've noticed.

What does that prove? It's just another thread where you're yet again overlooking one of the top receivers in the league. Listen, I'm not here saying the Colts are unstoppable. I think everyone knows where my allegiance lies. I'm simply saying that if you understand football and are even a bit objective, you simply cannot overlook Reggie Wayne and Peyton Manning. They're as good or better than ANY other QB/WR tandem in the entire NFL!

Holy SHIT. Get ready for this one my man.


I AGREE!

[Ehwmatt]

The Cardinals are def a sleeper

You do realize that the Cardinals were in the Super Bowl last year, right? No team who went to the Super Bowl the previous season is allowed to be called "a sleeper"!

But on the flipside to all of that, the history shows that the Super Bowl representatives from the year before rarely make the playoffs that next season. Plus, the Cards didn't really dominant in anyway shape or form last year in the regular season to really convince anyone that they could carry that SB season into this season.

Exactly why no team can be written off based on past season's performances

[lights1961]

The Cardinals are def a sleeper

You do realize that the Cardinals were in the Super Bowl last year, right? No team who went to the Super Bowl the previous season is allowed to be called "a sleeper"!

at the same time know one is giving that team a chance this year... its all about The Vikes with Brett or the Saints or the Colts or the Pats... Just dont over look Werner and the Cards...

[YoungJRNY]

Mike Tomlin and the Stealers are 0-2 coming off a Monday night win of 17 or more points.

Good work! (FARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRT) That's it? How about the Bengals playoff record during the last 2 decades? Go find out that stat, "Fact Finder"

[Enigma869]

at the same time know one is giving that team a chance this year... its all about The Vikes with Brett or the Saints or the Colts or the Pats... Just dont over look Werner and the Cards...

Dude...if you're going to participate in football threads, get the damn player's name correct. That's the second time you called him "Werner". The fucking guy's name is Kurt Warner!!!!! God help the Cardinals if their fans don't even know the name of their QB who has been in the NFL for over 10 freakin' years!

[YoungJRNY]

Shady Brady and Bill Bellicheat
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EU1O-hGxgg

[Ehwmatt]

Shady Brady and Bill Bellicheat
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EU1O-hGxgg

[S2M]

Fact Finder, if by some chance this scenario does happen I'd be pretty happy since Roethlisberger is the best in the league at 4th quarter comebacks and leading his team down the field. Don't hope for that scenario because something tells me you'll have Bible in hand praying on all four if that somehow happens. If if does happen, and when Ben leads his team 85 yards in 4 plays, we'd simply go for two and win 25-24 on our way to the Division Title. But don't worry, Steelers will win this in a blow out.

Another prime example of you talkin' out yo ass....

4th quarter comebacks

QB Actual
John Elway 34
Brett Favre 27
Dan Marino 36
Peyton Manning 28
Drew Bledsoe 24
Joe Montana 31
Johnny Unitas 34
Tom Brady 20
Roger Staubach 15
Ben Roethlisberger 15
Chad Pennington 7
Jay Cutler 5


That's 3 QBS still in the league who have more 4th quarter comebacks than your precious Big Ben....

[Ehwmatt]

Fact Finder, if by some chance this scenario does happen I'd be pretty happy since Roethlisberger is the best in the league at 4th quarter comebacks and leading his team down the field. Don't hope for that scenario because something tells me you'll have Bible in hand praying on all four if that somehow happens. If if does happen, and when Ben leads his team 85 yards in 4 plays, we'd simply go for two and win 25-24 on our way to the Division Title. But don't worry, Steelers will win this in a blow out.

Another prime example of you talkin' out yo ass....

4th quarter comebacks

QB Actual
John Elway 34
Brett Favre 27
Dan Marino 36
Peyton Manning 28
Drew Bledsoe 24
Joe Montana 31
Johnny Unitas 34
Tom Brady 20
Roger Staubach 15
Ben Roethlisberger 15
Chad Pennington 7
Jay Cutler 5


That's 3 QBS still in the league who have more 4th quarter comebacks than your precious Big Ben....

LOL. Has Roethlisberger played half as long as most of those guys on there yet? I hate the guy, but he's a great QB and you need to get off the drugs

[YoungJRNY]

Fact Finder, if by some chance this scenario does happen I'd be pretty happy since Roethlisberger is the best in the league at 4th quarter comebacks and leading his team down the field. Don't hope for that scenario because something tells me you'll have Bible in hand praying on all four if that somehow happens. If if does happen, and when Ben leads his team 85 yards in 4 plays, we'd simply go for two and win 25-24 on our way to the Division Title. But don't worry, Steelers will win this in a blow out.

Another prime example of you talkin' out yo ass....

4th quarter comebacks

QB Actual
John Elway 34
Brett Favre 27
Dan Marino 36
Peyton Manning 28
Drew Bledsoe 24
Joe Montana 31
Johnny Unitas 34
Tom Brady 20
Roger Staubach 15
Ben Roethlisberger 15
Chad Pennington 7
Jay Cutler 5


That's 3 QBS still in the league who have more 4th quarter comebacks than your precious Big Ben....

Yeah, and that's also 3 Quarterbacks ahead of him in the league who have been in the league far many years longer than Roethlisberger has. Tom Brady has been a starter 3 solid years longer than when Roethlisberger entered the league in '04. Brady was drafted in '00. Peyton Manning has been in the league for 11 seasons, and Favre has been playing for 20 seasons. Ben has only been in the league for 5 years and is quickly moving up that chain at lights speed.

Actually, you could add another another 4th Qr/OT comeback to that list since he did it in Week 1 against Tennessee, leading his team in O.T for the game winning kick and for the win. Ben is going to SHATTER that record when it's all said and done because quite frankly his style of play welcomes those challenges. Even though there are 3 Quarterbacks ahead of him at this givin time, over the past 3-4 seasons or so, there hasn't been one player better than the 4th quarter comeback than Ben.

5 seasons = 15 4th Qrt comebacks in his young career? The results don't lie.

Last week the Pro Football Reference blog used some excellent research to show that the Broncos' proclamation that John Elway was the king of comebacks is not exactly accurate.

If you take away the games where Elway led the Broncos to wins in games that were tied in the fourth quarter and rely solely on fourth quarter come-from-behind victories, Dan Marino actually has the most recorded fourth-quarter comebacks with 36 compared to Elway's 34.

But seeing that got me thinking. Ben Roethlisberger has been pretty masterful at coming from behind during his short career, but how good has he been. The answer is very good. He's only five seasons into his career, but right now Ben Roethlisberger is on pace to outdo Elway and Marino.

Only five seasons into his career, Roethlisberger already has 15 come-from-behind fourth-quarter victories -- as many as "Captain Comeback" Roger Staubach, including of course his most famous comeback last January in the Super Bowl. Elway played 15 seasons and Marino played 17 seasons. If Roethlisberger plays as long as Elway did, he's on pace for 45 fourth quarter come-from-behind victories. Peyton Manning could have topped Marino by then; he has 28 in 11 seasons, so the record is in his sights.

To give you a better idea of how remarkable Roethlisberger is at authoring comebacks, he had six in his rookie season. Chad Pennington, a relatively solid quarterback with a nine-year career, has seven. Roethlisberger has only one Pro Bowl appearance right now, but with two Super Bowl rings, he's already edging towards Hall of Fame status. There are 10 quarterbacks who have won two or more Super Bowls. Seven of them are in the Hall of Fame and two (Roethlisberger and Tom Brady) are not eligible yet. But if Roethlisberger can land the comeback "record" as well, it will just add to his Hall of Fame chances.

http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2009/08/10/roet ... comebacks/

[S2M]

Hey I just gave you the list....I personally think the '4th quarter Comeback Stat' is a shit 'stat' anyway. Just a stupid stat the Bronco's stat geeks came up with to raise Elway's perceived god-like status....It is a cherry-picking stat that ignores many other things. But you have your comeback stat if it makes you feel better....

[Ehwmatt]

Hey I just gave you the list....I personally think the '4th quarter Comeback Stat' is a shit 'stat' anyway. Just a stupid stat the Bronco's stat geeks came up with to raise Elway's perceived god-like status....It is a cherry-picking stat that ignores many other things. But you have your comeback stat if it makes you feel better....

No, it's a good stat. It's certainly far better than stats that get tossed around like INDY HAS WON 17 STRAIGHT REGULAR SEASON GAMES! and stats of that nature...

One thing you'll notice is that all of the QBs on that list with 15+ are undeniably great quarterbacks. That stat might not tell the whole story of the games the comebacks happened in, but it sure speaks volumes that ONLY quality QBs are on that list.

[YoungJRNY]

Hey I just gave you the list....I personally think the '4th quarter Comeback Stat' is a shit 'stat' anyway. Just a stupid stat the Bronco's stat geeks came up with to raise Elway's perceived god-like status....It is a cherry-picking stat that ignores many other things. But you have your comeback stat if it makes you feel better....

It really doesn't make me feel better. It is what it is. Ben is no doubt over the last couple seasons the best quarterback when the game is on the line in the final minutes. It's just the way it is so there really is not much more to say on the argument.

[S2M]

Hey I just gave you the list....I personally think the '4th quarter Comeback Stat' is a shit 'stat' anyway. Just a stupid stat the Bronco's stat geeks came up with to raise Elway's perceived god-like status....It is a cherry-picking stat that ignores many other things. But you have your comeback stat if it makes you feel better....

It really doesn't make me feel better. It is what it is. Ben is no doubt over the last couple seasons the best quarterback when the game is on the line in the final minutes. It's just the way it is so there really is not much more to say on the argument.

I look at 4th quarter comebacks as results of poor QB/Team play through 3 quarters...

[YoungJRNY]

Hey I just gave you the list....I personally think the '4th quarter Comeback Stat' is a shit 'stat' anyway. Just a stupid stat the Bronco's stat geeks came up with to raise Elway's perceived god-like status....It is a cherry-picking stat that ignores many other things. But you have your comeback stat if it makes you feel better....

It really doesn't make me feel better. It is what it is. Ben is no doubt over the last couple seasons the best quarterback when the game is on the line in the final minutes. It's just the way it is so there really is not much more to say on the argument.

I look at 4th quarter comebacks as results of poor QB/Team play through 3 quarters...

According to that thought process, then more than 90% of football teams either have bad quarterbacks or are poor teams.. THROUGH OUT HISTORY. You need some medicine bud.

Realistically, that's the way football games are meant to be played. Close. Close games have nothing to do of how "poor" a team plays. Given the circumstance, it comes down to game plan, and strategies throughout the game. A chess match. Personally, I think winning a close and nail biting game is more beautiful than winning in a blow out. You simply know what team you have under harsh circumstances when the going gets tough and when that time arrives, like so often in the game of football, you know where your team stands in that adversity. Good teams manage to win tight games.

[S2M]

According to that thought process, then more than 90% of football teams either have bad quarterbacks or are poor teams.. THROUGH OUT HISTORY. You need some medicine bud.

Realistically, that's the way football games are meant to be played. Close. Close games have nothing to do of how "poor" a team plays. Given the circumstance, it comes down to game plan, and strategies throughout the game. A chess match. Personally, I think winning a close and nail biting game is more beautiful than winning in a blow out. You simply know what team you have under harsh circumstances when the going gets tough and when that time arrives, like so often in the game of football, you know where your team stands in that adversity. Good teams manage to win tight games.

Are you fuckiing kidding me? Football games are meant to be played close? So why aren't you clamoring for the Bengals to keep the game on sunday real close...only to have the Stealers win by a field goal as time expires. Why? Because you are full of shit. You want your team to win in a cakewalk. Trav, you are so full of shit I can smell you from here.

50% of NFL games are won by chance/luck...

The actual measure of how good a quaterback or team is, is not play in close games, it's how much of a beatdown they put on opposing teams.

Though no, they don't have the dramatic enterainment value of a close game that turns so excitingly at the last minute on some little thing -- quite likely some random little thing.

[Ehwmatt]

According to that thought process, then more than 90% of football teams either have bad quarterbacks or are poor teams.. THROUGH OUT HISTORY. You need some medicine bud.

Realistically, that's the way football games are meant to be played. Close. Close games have nothing to do of how "poor" a team plays. Given the circumstance, it comes down to game plan, and strategies throughout the game. A chess match. Personally, I think winning a close and nail biting game is more beautiful than winning in a blow out. You simply know what team you have under harsh circumstances when the going gets tough and when that time arrives, like so often in the game of football, you know where your team stands in that adversity. Good teams manage to win tight games.

Are you fuckiing kidding me? Football games are meant to be played close? So why aren't you clamoring for the Bengals to keep the game on sunday real close...only to have the Stealers win by a field goal as time expires. Why? Because you are full of shit. You want your team to win in a cakewalk. Trav, you are so full of shit I can smell you from here.

50% of NFL games are won by chance/luck...

The actual measure of how good a quaterback or team is, is not play in close games, it's how much of a beatdown they put on opposing teams.

Though no, they don't have the dramatic enterainment value of a close game that turns so excitingly at the last minute on some little thing -- quite likely some random little thing.

So if Tiger won all his majors by one stroke, does that make him not that great?

If Federer won all his majors in a long fifth set like Wimbledon this past year, does that make him not great?

If a team needs to go to a sudden death game 5/7 to win EVERY playoff series en route to a championship, does that delegitimize it?

Champions WIN. However they win, they win. That's why they are champions. At the professional level, there is obviously a LOT of equal or at least comparable talent running around. It's those that figure out how to win, even when their A-game isn't there or the chips are down, that become the champions. You're espousing quite a crackpot philosophy here. Who the fuck wants to watch sports where blowouts happen game in and game out?

[YoungJRNY]

According to that thought process, then more than 90% of football teams either have bad quarterbacks or are poor teams.. THROUGH OUT HISTORY. You need some medicine bud.

Realistically, that's the way football games are meant to be played. Close. Close games have nothing to do of how "poor" a team plays. Given the circumstance, it comes down to game plan, and strategies throughout the game. A chess match. Personally, I think winning a close and nail biting game is more beautiful than winning in a blow out. You simply know what team you have under harsh circumstances when the going gets tough and when that time arrives, like so often in the game of football, you know where your team stands in that adversity. Good teams manage to win tight games.

Are you fuckiing kidding me? Football games are meant to be played close? So why aren't you clamoring for the Bengals to keep the game on sunday real close...only to have the Stealers win by a field goal as time expires. Why? Because you are full of shit. You want your team to win in a cakewalk. Trav, you are so full of shit I can smell you from here.

50% of NFL games are won by chance/luck...

The actual measure of how good a quaterback or team is, is not play in close games, it's how much of a beatdown they put on opposing teams.

Though no, they don't have the dramatic enterainment value of a close game that turns so excitingly at the last minute on some little thing -- quite likely some random little thing.

You hate comprehending things. You only believe what your tiny brain wants to interpret. Of course I'd LOVE for my team to blow out ANY team on ANY GIVEN SUNDAY. But from a moral standpoint and from a football situational standpoint, you won't know what team you have unless you win a tight ball game! It's more beautiful than to win by a small margin IMO. Much more challenges / adversity to over come in a tight game, and that's what you come in the game expecting.. esp playoff football. Winning in blowouts never give any team indications of what to work on as far as weak spots are concerned.

[S2M]

Are you fuckiing kidding me? Football games are meant to be played close? So why aren't you clamoring for the Bengals to keep the game on sunday real close...only to have the Stealers win by a field goal as time expires. Why? Because you are full of shit. You want your team to win in a cakewalk. Trav, you are so full of shit I can smell you from here.

50% of NFL games are won by chance/luck...

The actual measure of how good a quaterback or team is, is not play in close games, it's how much of a beatdown they put on opposing teams.

Though no, they don't have the dramatic enterainment value of a close game that turns so excitingly at the last minute on some little thing -- quite likely some random little thing.

So if Tiger won all his majors by one stroke, does that make him not that great?

If Federer won all his majors in a long fifth set like Wimbledon this past year, does that make him not great?

If a team needs to go to a sudden death game 5/7 to win EVERY playoff series en route to a championship, does that delegitimize it?

Champions WIN. However they win, they win. That's why they are champions. At the professional level, there is obviously a LOT of equal or at least comparable talent running around. It's those that figure out how to win, even when their A-game isn't there or the chips are down, that become the champions. You're espousing quite a crackpot philosophy here. Who the fuck wants to watch sports where blowouts happen game in and game out?

I'm just saying that winning close games is a random thing....the closer the point differential gets to zero, the odds of winning approaches 50%, regardless of team talent.

When a quarteback can get a 'Comeback win' by throwing 2 picks, and fumbling away the lead, only to hand off to the fullback - who proceeds to run the ball 9 times for 71 yards on an 80 yard TD as time expires, it is truly an empty stat.


Edit: and Trav, if a team is blowing every team out of the water - it has no weaknesses to need to play close games to find.

[YoungJRNY]

Are you fuckiing kidding me? Football games are meant to be played close? So why aren't you clamoring for the Bengals to keep the game on sunday real close...only to have the Stealers win by a field goal as time expires. Why? Because you are full of shit. You want your team to win in a cakewalk. Trav, you are so full of shit I can smell you from here.

50% of NFL games are won by chance/luck...

The actual measure of how good a quaterback or team is, is not play in close games, it's how much of a beatdown they put on opposing teams.

Though no, they don't have the dramatic enterainment value of a close game that turns so excitingly at the last minute on some little thing -- quite likely some random little thing.

So if Tiger won all his majors by one stroke, does that make him not that great?

If Federer won all his majors in a long fifth set like Wimbledon this past year, does that make him not great?

If a team needs to go to a sudden death game 5/7 to win EVERY playoff series en route to a championship, does that delegitimize it?

Champions WIN. However they win, they win. That's why they are champions. At the professional level, there is obviously a LOT of equal or at least comparable talent running around. It's those that figure out how to win, even when their A-game isn't there or the chips are down, that become the champions. You're espousing quite a crackpot philosophy here. Who the fuck wants to watch sports where blowouts happen game in and game out?

I'm just saying that winning close games is a random thing....the closer the point differential gets to zero, the odds of winning approaches 50%, regardless of team talent.

When a quarteback can get a 'Comeback win' by throwing 2 picks, and fumbling away the lead, only to hand off to the fullback - who proceeds to run the ball 9 times for 71 yards on an 80 yard TD as time expires, it is truly an empty stat.

If you had ANY football intelligence, no team in the NFL (or any level of coaching) would EVER run the fucking ball (esp with a fullback!!) "9 times for 71 yards" on an 80 yard drive! Did you ever hear of a 2 minute offense? Maybe a no huddle offense? During a final drive, one going for the win or tie mind you.. usually an offense busts out their 2 minute/hurry up offense in many open wide receiver sets to get the ball either to the sidelines or downfield as fast as they can! I'm done with you. John, where you at? I miss you buddy. At least you know what the fuck your talking about!

[S2M]

Trav wrote:

If you had ANY football intelligence, no team in the NFL (or any level of coaching) would EVER run the fucking ball (esp with a fullback!!) "9 times for 71 yards" on an 80 yard drive! Did you ever hear of a 2 minute offense? Maybe a no huddle offense? During a final drive, usually an offense busts out their 2 minute/hurry up offense in many open wide receiver sets to get the ball either to the sidelines or downfield as fast as they can! I'm done with you. John, where you at? I miss you buddy. At least you know what the fuck your talking about!

It does not matter....Ok, the running back busts out a 80 yarder on ONE fucking play.....point is the QB gets credited for a 'comeback'. Essentially, a 'comeback' isn't defined by there being 2-minutes left in the game, and it doesn't have to be on a team's final drive....only that the winning team was losing at the start of 4th Q.

[YoungJRNY]

It does not matter....Ok, the running back busts out a 80 yarder on ONE fucking play.....point is the QB gets credited for a 'comeback'. Essentially, a 'comeback' isn't defined by there being 2-minutes left in the game, and it doesn't have to be on a team's final drive....only that the winning team was losing at the start of 4th Q.

Done dude. You're retarded.

[S2M]

Done dude. You're retarded.

Please go back to the kiddie table, Trav....let the big boys eat in peace.

You are the poster child for fanboyism. Your mancrush for Ben is well noted. And your bromance is reaching epic proportions....you could quite possibly be eclipsing ScarabGator's mancrush for Teblow.

[YoungJRNY]

Done dude. You're retarded.

Please go back to the kiddie table, Trav....let the big boys eat in peace.

You are the poster child for fanboyism. Your mancrush for Ben is well noted. And your bromance is reaching epic proportions....you could quite possibly be eclipsing ScarabGator's mancrush for Teblow.

During your incoherent babbling and saying what god knows what, and talking in a language only a person high on cocaine could understand..

Lets get one thing straight. If I'm a posterboy for fanism then what does that make John? He goes as far as saying any team winning a Super Bowl doesn't count because they didn't go through N.E and he blows a gasket. I don't make anything up. This is what this thread is for. I am not here to show my "bromance" with anybody. I simply take facts and provide them. Un-like Scarab, I don't come in here fantasizing about sucking off one of Bens nuts before I go to bed. It's strictly football talk, and whatever I say could easily be backed up by anybody who watches football, can look at stats, or documents. It's just the way it is. What I've said is not a lie and simply just talking football. You on the other hand are so thrilled and determined to comeback with stuffing things in my face to make argument, and I simply kick your ass in all response. Again, I make nothing up. Tell it the way I see it. If I was a fan of the Lions, I sure as HELL wouldn't talk so confident of my team OR players. I happen to be a Steelers fan, and it just happens that they are one of 3 teams that dominated this last decade and certainly times before that!

[S2M]

You know what? I can't wait til John gets here....Will you take his word for it that you are out of your league when talking about this stuff?

And you hardly, 'tell it like it is'....and my being a Lions fan just makes me more credible when discussing this stuff anyway.

Your 'telling it like it is' resulted in you finding out that, indeed, Ben isn't the 'best' at 4th Q comebacks, as you self-assuredly asserted.

I'm not here to argue, or stuff stuff in your vace, but when you assert things as fact, and they aren't....I'm gonna call you on it.

Don't hate me because I know about stuff....

[YoungJRNY]

You know what? I can't wait til John gets here....Will you take his word for it that you are out of your league when talking about this stuff?

And you hardly, 'tell it like it is'....and my being a Lions fan just makes me more credible when discussing this stuff anyway.

Your 'telling it like it is' resulted in you finding out that, indeed, Ben isn't the 'best' at 4th Q comebacks, as you self-assuredly asserted.

I'm not here to argue, or stuff stuff in your vace, but when you assert things as fact, and they aren't....I'm gonna call you on it.

Don't hate me because I know about stuff....

I don't know why you'd stuff stuff things in any vace's, but I know you can't wait til he gets here. You've said before his wiener tastes good in your mouth. And I too, can't wait.. for you MOM to show up to my house tonight wearing that wonderful bikini I got her last week. MMMMM. I love it when she does that thing with her hips.

Anyway, point of the matter is, Ben is on his way atop the league when it comes to 4th quarter comebacks and he's been the best at it the last few years! (All I was saying, was that if the game is on the line with our offense going downfield to win or tie, I'd welcome that, until you had to spin it any which way into a big argument.) No way around that. He is still a young QB and is still getting better. To have 15 in 5 seasons is incredible. I tell it like it is my man. If I was such a fan boy, then why do I have Indianapolis and New Orleans ahead of the Steelers in my Power rankings? Dude, your reasons behind things are really coo-coo man. The things you say are a step ahead of laughable and you look like an idiot through and through. Go back and read some of the things you came up with.

Another thing, I don't hate you. I like you, you know that. But to sit there and say some of the illogical things you say and try to enforce it into a positive thought just needs to be shot down, quickly.

[S2M]

Travis....What things? You couldn't come up with a list of things I've said that were 'coo-coo'. You just couldn't do it.

I'm not going to go point-counterpoint with you all day because it seems the Cleveland Cuntbag is circling now, just waiting to swoop down and take a bite.

You, my friend, are so wound up in your little Steeler fantasy world, that you just can't see reality. When you are arguing a point - stay with that point, don't resort to ad hominem retorts and non-sensical data to make your point. If back-pedaling were an NFL position you'd be a HOFer.

You said Ben was the league leader in 4Q comebacks....you were wrong. Then you switched it to the best cause of his 15/5 comeback to years in league ratio.

Do you regard Montana as a legend amoung QBs?

Well here's a stat for you:

Montana had 31 'comebacks'. In close games decided by 7 points(in his 13 year career), or less he was an average 29-29, or 50%. But those 31 'comebacks' sound pretty good when they are used as a stand alone stat. In close games Joe was average. So the 4thQ Comeback stat is cherry-picked to make him appear legendary. Ever hear of Data Mining?


When throwing out that useless stat about how many comebacks Ben has in his first 5 years....why not also throw out how many he lost.