Who Got More Heat Larry Or Glen?

[Monker]

Obviously, you may have went to a couple Styx concerts back then...but you were not interacting online with Styx fandom...I was.

You were not interacting online in 1990. You may have had a modem, but you would have had to stick your phone headset on top of it and you wouldn't have found a Styx forum.

You're wrong. I think my modem was a 2400baud internal which I later 'upgraded' to a 9600baud external...and there was no modem headset...you don't know what you are talking about. I was not on the internet...I was first on GEnie, then Prodigy, and local BBS's that had Fidonet, and later AOL...for a short time I was also on Dephi. I started on the internet in 1993...first on Usenet thru Delphi and then a local internet service, DSMnet.com, using the original version of Mozilla/Netscape.

[Monker]

See my quotes above on your completely half brained assertions.

Oh, you mean your quotes that say "Tommy called me..." multiple times. Funny how you leave out the quote where Dennis TELLS TOMMY TO JOIN DY!

It seems to me like DDY was in the middle of his solo album. when Tommy called. [/quote[

I didn't say he wasn't!

Why don't YOU reread Sterlings book instead of implying things that aren't remotely true

I am not implying anything. I specifically quoted the ENTIRE bit of DDY's explanation...an explanation where HE speicifcaly says Tommy called him multiple times...an explanation where HE specifically says he told him to join DY.

YOU are implying things by saying Tommy willingly left Styx and the fans accepted that. YOU are implying he had no interest in the band and chose DY instead. THAT is a VERY false implication. You are wrong.

How about the fact that Tommy was playing both hands at the same time? How about the fact that the band thought Tommy was on board to record Edge and then find out he's signed a contract to do DY mere days before going into a recording studio? How about the fact that Tommy lied (imagine that, shocker...) to Dennis and JY about his intentions with the band? tommy's always been about Tommy and he will lie, cheat, or threaten to quit to get his way. Not to similar to a 4 year old child.

I really don't give a crap...Nothing above has anything to do with what I disagree with you above.

So, again, stop with the false accusations and the made up BS...go sell crazy somewhere else.

Yeah, Dennis, quit lying in your interviews and making BS up and trying to sell crazy to Toph! LOL.

[Monker]

Oh, I'm just giving the arguments that people were making back then...

For the record, I didn't care too much one way or the other...that is why I could get along fairly well with both sides of this, and why I know both sides of this.

Now, for MY opinion...

Glen on "Slaves of New Brunswick" DID sound like he was trying to emulate Bruce. I made that comment once and some people jumped on it and suddenly that "Glen wants to be Bruce" went around the forums for a short while. It sounded very much like that was his style of music...I like that CD, actually Compare that to Hero's...which I thought was very mediocre compared to Slaves. Those were the two albums I had to judge him by, and his writing with Neal Schon...and "Styx" or "he should replace Tommy Shaw" did not jump into my head. it was more like, 'what were they hearing that made them think Glen should join Styx? Cuz whatever it is, I ain't hearing it...'

Glen's songs on Edge also did not sound like they fit into Styx to me either...EotC was good tho. Tommy brought a melodic Rock vibe to the band...Glen, at that time anyway, didn't. He changed up the chemistry in the writing in a way that I didn't get very excited about. Edge, IMO, was very mediocre and missed the fire and 'edge' that Tommy brought to the band. I also always felt that JY was lost in that in that album -- not Glen's fault, I guess...But, really, besides Homewrecker, why could we not get some good rocking JY guitar? I didn't HATE Edge, like some people, but it didn't draw me in at all

I don't have much of an opinion on Glen on stage...except for the Arsenio show, where he just looked totaly odd and misplaced in the band.

I was never one of the Glen haters. I was more of a "I really don't care cuz DY rocks" kinda person. There were a few songs on Edge that I liked...and Tommy was doing awesome music in DY...So, I was more of a "let Glen fans have their fun...and if you are so into Tommy, why are you not talking about DY instead of whining about Glen in Styx?" kinda person.

I'm sorry - in all the chaos, I missed this little tidbit:

He dressed and looked like he should be in some metal band, not Styx.
His solo albums sounded like a Bruce Springsteen wannabe, not Styx.
The guy seemed sooooo out of place in that band.

Now, to be honest, he rocked during the Cyclorama days. Glen definitely grew into the band.

Are you serious? Springsteen wannabe? What brand of shampoo are you using, because I think the chemicals are going into your brain. First of all, Springsteen's stuff has always been more bare-bones, blue-collar rock. Glen's stuff was...just different than that. I mean, they're both from jersey, and they both play guitar and write songs, but that is where the similarity ends. Also, I'm not sure you're aware of this, but Glen has never even been a FAN of Springsteen's. He thinks his stuff is "ok," and that's where it ends.

Geeze, I expected more from you, Monker. lol...I mean, even the guy years ago who said he sounded like Bryan Adams had more of a leg to stand on than this does. (not that I think he sounds like Bryan Adams, mind you, but the styles were much more similar in the 80s)

Spingsteen wannabe? Really?

As for his "fit" back then, I can tell you this: SHOW #1 on the Edge tour, Glen sat down with an acoustic guitar while the rest of the band left the stage and played a FANTASTIC rendition of "You've Got to Hide Your Love Away." The crowd went NUTS. Gave him a standing ovation (the only standing ovation the band got that night, in fact). When I saw them 4 days later, that "number" had been permanently cut from the set list because of "time constraints." So I guess maybe he DIDN'T "fit." Or fit too much.

That still didn't stop the drunks after the show from harassing and degrading him, however.

[Higgy]

Obviously, you may have went to a couple Styx concerts back then...but you were not interacting online with Styx fandom...I was.

You were not interacting online in 1990. You may have had a modem, but you would have had to stick your phone headset on top of it and you wouldn't have found a Styx forum.

You're wrong. I think my modem was a 2400baud internal which I later 'upgraded' to a 9600baud external...and there was no modem headset...you don't know what you are talking about. I was not on the internet...I was first on GEnie, then Prodigy, and local BBS's that had Fidonet, and later AOL...for a short time I was also on Dephi. I started on the internet in 1993...first on Usenet thru Delphi and then a local internet service, DSMnet.com, using the original version of Mozilla/Netscape.

Just because you're a big fucking fat ass dork doesn't mean that you were interacting online with Styx fans during the Edge of the Century tour. You weren't.

[chowhall]

Just because you're a big fucking fat ass dork doesn't mean that you were interacting online with Styx fans during the Edge of the Century tour. You weren't.

Obviously Higgy is running for Miss Congeniality of the Styx board.

[Everett]

Just because you're a big fucking fat ass dork doesn't mean that you were interacting online with Styx fans during the Edge of the Century tour. You weren't.

Obviously Higgy is running for Miss Congeniality of the Styx board.

I thought he already won that title

[Everett]

Obviously, you may have went to a couple Styx concerts back then...but you were not interacting online with Styx fandom...I was.

You were not interacting online in 1990. You may have had a modem, but you would have had to stick your phone headset on top of it and you wouldn't have found a Styx forum.

You're wrong. I think my modem was a 2400baud internal which I later 'upgraded' to a 9600baud external...and there was no modem headset...you don't know what you are talking about. I was not on the internet...I was first on GEnie, then Prodigy, and local BBS's that had Fidonet, and later AOL...for a short time I was also on Dephi. I started on the internet in 1993...first on Usenet thru Delphi and then a local internet service, DSMnet.com, using the original version of Mozilla/Netscape.

Just because you're a big fucking fat ass dork doesn't mean that you were interacting online with Styx fans during the Edge of the Century tour. You weren't.

So everyone on this board is a "big fucking fat ass dork" whatever you say hig

[Monker]

Obviously, you may have went to a couple Styx concerts back then...but you were not interacting online with Styx fandom...I was.

You were not interacting online in 1990. You may have had a modem, but you would have had to stick your phone headset on top of it and you wouldn't have found a Styx forum.

You're wrong. I think my modem was a 2400baud internal which I later 'upgraded' to a 9600baud external...and there was no modem headset...you don't know what you are talking about. I was not on the internet...I was first on GEnie, then Prodigy, and local BBS's that had Fidonet, and later AOL...for a short time I was also on Dephi. I started on the internet in 1993...first on Usenet thru Delphi and then a local internet service, DSMnet.com, using the original version of Mozilla/Netscape.

Just because you're a big fucking fat ass dork doesn't mean that you were interacting online with Styx fans during the Edge of the Century tour. You weren't.

And, just because you know how to act like an ass doesn't mean you are right, either...cuz you are not. LOL!

Too bad Cheryl Leigh isn't around any longer...she'd confirm it for me. Although, she didn't get along AT ALL with Dayle...because there was a big ruckus between Cheryl and Donna because of 976-STYX...and Dayle was good buds with Donna and therefore Dayle couldn't get along with Cheryl...Even though I respected Cheryl's Styx knowledge a LOT, I became good friends with Dayle (saw DY with her in 1993). Then, Cheryl had friends in Utah and Dayle had her long-time Styx friends...and I tried to get along with all of them, and others...all happening on GEnie. What a soap opera...but I'm still friends with Dayle...which is a good thing cuz she is one of the nicest and coolest people I have ever met online.

How do I know for certain this was during the Edge tour? Because GEnie was the most active Styx fan forum. Cheryl had front row tickets to see Styx. Her plan was to print out msgs from the forum and wrap them around some roses and give them to Dennis. I also remember a guy named Jay Hendren became a fan because of Edge. I specifically remember him reviewing the show he saw, Minneapolis, I think...at least I know that is where he was from, and saying he was glad this was his first Styx concert and not Kilroy. Everybody who met him said he looked exactly like Tommy Shaw.

I also remember us joking about Styx and DY meeting up during their tours and hitting the same city within a day or so....NY maybe? Don't remember the city. Who would win if they got in a fight? Could JY take out Nuge? We all had a bit of fun with that...because in the end, they are just bands making music, so quit being so silly about it and get over your egotistical bullshit. A message lost on people like you.

But, what do I know, I didn't interact with fans online during the Edge tour...I'm just making it all up. Idiot.

[Higgy]

Too bad Cheryl Leigh isn't around any longer...she'd confirm it for me. Although, she didn't get along AT ALL with Dayle...because there was a big ruckus between Cheryl and Donna because of 976-STYX...and Dayle was good buds with Donna and therefore Dayle couldn't get along with Cheryl...Even though I respected Cheryl's Styx knowledge a LOT, I became good friends with Dayle (saw DY with her in 1993). Then, Cheryl had friends in Utah and Dayle had her long-time Styx friends...and I tried to get along with all of them, and others...all happening on GEnie. What a soap opera...but I'm still friends with Dayle...which is a good thing cuz she is one of the nicest and coolest people I have ever met online.

Please take back what I said about you being a dork. You're the COOLEST!!!!

[stmonkeys]

styx and dy tours intersected in syracuse. i think it was a year after i graduated- '90. bet that was a very uncomfortable elevator ride.

[Everett]

That's a tough one..... Is nugent sober?

[Zan]

Now, for MY opinion...

Glen on "Slaves of New Brunswick" DID sound like he was trying to emulate Bruce. I made that comment once and some people jumped on it and suddenly that "Glen wants to be Bruce" went around the forums for a short while. It sounded very much like that was his style of music...I like that CD, actually Compare that to Hero's...which I thought was very mediocre compared to Slaves. Those were the two albums I had to judge him by, and his writing with Neal Schon...and "Styx" or "he should replace Tommy Shaw" did not jump into my head. it was more like, 'what were they hearing that made them think Glen should join Styx? Cuz whatever it is, I ain't hearing it...'

Yeah, ok...I guess. But Slaves was a compilation of local (Jersey) musicians and isn't (at least to me) considered "Glen solo material." Neither is his work with Neil Schon for that matter. CDs like "Talking in Code," "Heroes and Zeros," Palookaville," and "Retrospectacle." NONE of which sound anything like Bruce. I'm not even going to put "Welcome to Hollywood" in there because anyone who thinks THAT sounds like Springsteen is just bat-shit crazy.

Glen's songs on Edge also did not sound like they fit into Styx to me either...EotC was good tho. Tommy brought a melodic Rock vibe to the band...Glen, at that time anyway, didn't. He changed up the chemistry in the writing in a way that I didn't get very excited about. Edge, IMO, was very mediocre and missed the fire and 'edge' that Tommy brought to the band. I also always felt that JY was lost in that in that album -- not Glen's fault, I guess...But, really, besides Homewrecker, why could we not get some good rocking JY guitar? I didn't HATE Edge, like some people, but it didn't draw me in at all

Edge was a fair Styx album or me, but it wasn't really Glen's material on it, per se, just the whole album was odd. "Back to Chicago" sounds like Broadway (tho I do like it), and "Carrie Ann" is weak. LITR ended up being a favorite of mine, but only after it had time to grow on me. The first time I heard it, I was like, WTF.. I guess what I'm saying is that I liked, even loved some stuff off Edge individually, but as a cohesive album, is was definitely weak, IMO.

I don't have much of an opinion on Glen on stage...except for the Arsenio show, where he just looked totaly odd and misplaced in the band.

He dressed and looked like he should be in some metal band, not Styx.
His solo albums sounded like a Bruce Springsteen wannabe, not Styx.
The guy seemed sooooo out of place in that band.

Now, to be honest, he rocked during the Cyclorama days. Glen definitely grew into the band.

Yeah, wearing plaid pants and polka dot shirts and high-tops with fire red/lime green/purple hair in. He fit in much better then. LOL

Seriously, much like Tommy was back in the seventies, I think Glen was a great addition to the band from a performance standpoint - on any line-up. Since he didn't do very much writing with them, that one's a tougher call, but I like his Styx stuff immensely. (clearly)

I was never one of the Glen haters.

Never said (or even thought) you were. Just the Springsteen comment was a bit daft, is all.

[Toph]

See my quotes above on your completely half brained assertions.

Oh, you mean your quotes that say "Tommy called me..." multiple times. Funny how you leave out the quote where Dennis TELLS TOMMY TO JOIN DY!

It seems to me like DDY was in the middle of his solo album. when Tommy called. [/quote[

I didn't say he wasn't!

Why don't YOU reread Sterlings book instead of implying things that aren't remotely true

I am not implying anything. I specifically quoted the ENTIRE bit of DDY's explanation...an explanation where HE speicifcaly says Tommy called him multiple times...an explanation where HE specifically says he told him to join DY.

YOU are implying things by saying Tommy willingly left Styx and the fans accepted that. YOU are implying he had no interest in the band and chose DY instead. THAT is a VERY false implication. You are wrong.

How about the fact that Tommy was playing both hands at the same time? How about the fact that the band thought Tommy was on board to record Edge and then find out he's signed a contract to do DY mere days before going into a recording studio? How about the fact that Tommy lied (imagine that, shocker...) to Dennis and JY about his intentions with the band? tommy's always been about Tommy and he will lie, cheat, or threaten to quit to get his way. Not to similar to a 4 year old child.

I really don't give a crap...Nothing above has anything to do with what I disagree with you above.

So, again, stop with the false accusations and the made up BS...go sell crazy somewhere else.

Yeah, Dennis, quit lying in your interviews and making BS up and trying to sell crazy to Toph! LOL.

Tommy Shaw is the liar in that band...always has been and always will. Remember, it is ALL about Tommy. I still don't understand your point. Dennis says to Tommy to go ahead and join DY because AT THE TIME Styx had not reformed, DDY was still doing his solo album. If you can recall, that video took like a year to produce and they delayed Boomchild until the video was ready (don't know why the video took that long - wasn't like it was groundbreaking or anything). So in the meantime, DDY tells Tommy to join DY if he wants because he doesn't know when he might be aailable to do Stxyx. Now contrast that with what is in Sterling's book which clearly states that the band felt that Tommy has manioulated them and played both hands he was dealt. Why was the band so shocked when Tommy told them that he had signed on with DY if they had "sceretly" planned his exit. Your story makes no sense and it doesn't hold water. Why would DDY, after not keeping the band going when Tommy quit the first time, decide that he would want to have the band continue without Tommy? Remember all the other members wanted to keep going? So, fast forward to 1988, he knew that Tommy would enhance a Styx comeback album and having the full band together would give it a much better chance of success. He's no dumb ass. No doubt if Tommy is there, twhat is Edge has even better sales than it does because you can promote a full band reunion.

You probably are one of those conspiracy theorists that think that Barack Obama is tied to Islamic terrorists and trying to give them more power too, right?

[yogi]

Your story 'doesnt hold water'

My Cousin Vinny

Marisa Tomei posts here!!!!!!!

[StyxCollector]

As for his "fit" back then, I can tell you this: SHOW #1 on the Edge tour, Glen sat down with an acoustic guitar while the rest of the band left the stage and played a FANTASTIC rendition of "You've Got to Hide Your Love Away." The crowd went NUTS. Gave him a standing ovation (the only standing ovation the band got that night, in fact). When I saw them 4 days later, that "number" had been permanently cut from the set list because of "time constraints." So I guess maybe he DIDN'T "fit." Or fit too much.

That still didn't stop the drunks after the show from harassing and degrading him, however.[/color][/b]

Show #1 was Great Woods in Mansfield, MA I believe (it also opened their season, too). I was there. Met John and Chuck before the show (they were hanging around the side of the stage - I recognized them). I can say from recollection that they did "All In A Day's Work", but Glen didn't do "You've Got to Hide Your Love Away". Which venue are you talking about, Zan, where this happened?

[Zan]

As for his "fit" back then, I can tell you this: SHOW #1 on the Edge tour, Glen sat down with an acoustic guitar while the rest of the band left the stage and played a FANTASTIC rendition of "You've Got to Hide Your Love Away." The crowd went NUTS. Gave him a standing ovation (the only standing ovation the band got that night, in fact). When I saw them 4 days later, that "number" had been permanently cut from the set list because of "time constraints." So I guess maybe he DIDN'T "fit." Or fit too much.

That still didn't stop the drunks after the show from harassing and degrading him, however.[/color][/b]

Show #1 was Great Woods in Mansfield, MA I believe (it also opened their season, too). I was there. Met John and Chuck before the show (they were hanging around the side of the stage - I recognized them). I can say from recollection that they did "All In A Day's Work", but Glen didn't do "You've Got to Hide Your Love Away". Which venue are you talking about, Zan, where this happened?

Sorry, but you are wrong, The very first show was in Sunrise, FL. Very, very first one. They came back 4 days later. I think the original date was May 16th. It was so early, they didn't even have shirts with dates printed on them yet.

[Zan]

Yup. It was May 16th. A Thursday. I met DDY & John that night. They came back on Monday the 21st, when I met Glen and asked him why YGTHYLA was taken out, and he said the band cut it for time constraints..

[Everett]

Yup. It was May 16th. A Thursday. I met DDY & John that night. They came back on Monday the 21st, when I met Glen and asked him why YGTHYLA was taken out, and he said the band cut it for time constraints..

everything was cut for time constraints lol. I still wonder how glen would sound doing crystal ball/fooling yourself

[Monker]

Dennis says to Tommy to go ahead and join DY

Thank you for finally stated the facts. That is exactly what happened after Tommy called several times wanting to get Styx back together. I'm glad you finally agree with me.

if they had "sceretly" planned his exit.

*I* did not say that. I think Froy believes that tho...

All I am saying is that Tommy REPEATEDLY expressed interest in a Styx reunion and before he joined DY, DENNIS TOLD HIM TO. THOSE are FACTS...and you implying that he had no interest in Styx is complete bullshit. YOU are the one applying all kinds of guesswork "what if" scenarios, and general BS to form a huge story out of it.

You probably are one of those conspiracy theorists that think that Barack Obama is tied to Islamic terrorists and trying to give them more power too, right?

No...But, you are probably one to believe the 2000 elections were rigged and have been pissed off about it for years.

[Monker]

Yeah, ok...I guess. But Slaves was a compilation of local (Jersey) musicians and isn't (at least to me) considered "Glen solo material." Neither is his work with Neil Schon for that matter. CDs like "Talking in Code," "Heroes and Zeros," Palookaville," and "Retrospectacle." NONE of which sound anything like Bruce. I'm not even going to put "Welcome to Hollywood" in there because anyone who thinks THAT sounds like Springsteen is just bat-shit crazy.

Well, those were the only two (Heroes and Slaves) that I had to judge him by...so that was my opinion back then. When were the others released? I didn't think he had THAT much stuff out there in 1991 or so.

Back in 1991, I still I don't think he was a good fit. I do wish he was there today tho.

And, I always thought writing and recording with Neal was interesting from a Journey perspective too.

Glen's songs on Edge also did not sound like they fit into Styx to me either...EotC was good tho. Tommy brought a melodic Rock vibe to the band...Glen, at that time anyway, didn't. He changed up the chemistry in the writing in a way that I didn't get very excited about. Edge, IMO, was very mediocre and missed the fire and 'edge' that Tommy brought to the band. I also always felt that JY was lost in that in that album -- not Glen's fault, I guess...But, really, besides Homewrecker, why could we not get some good rocking JY guitar? I didn't HATE Edge, like some people, but it didn't draw me in at all

Edge was a fair Styx album or me, but it wasn't really Glen's material on it, per se, just the whole album was odd. "Back to Chicago" sounds like Broadway (tho I do like it), and "Carrie Ann" is weak. LITR ended up being a favorite of mine, but only after it had time to grow on me. The first time I heard it, I was like, WTF.. I guess what I'm saying is that I liked, even loved some stuff off Edge individually, but as a cohesive album, is was definitely weak, IMO.[/quote]

Yep...I agree with that. I thought he brought at least a couple songs to Edge...I thought there was some demo, or live performance of some of the songs, before he was a member of Styx?

Yeah, wearing plaid pants and polka dot shirts and high-tops with fire red/lime green/purple hair in. He fit in much better then. LOL

Seriously, much like Tommy was back in the seventies, I think Glen was a great addition to the band from a performance standpoint - on any line-up. Since he didn't do very much writing with them, that one's a tougher call, but I like his Styx stuff immensely. (clearly)

Yeah, I know....and you are completely unbiased too! LOL.

[Higgy]

No...But, you are probably one to believe the 2000 elections were rigged and have been pissed off about it for years.

Ooooooh! That explains you sooo much! You're a right wing George Bush lover. Oh I really hope that there's a hell so that you and the rest of the religious conservatives can burn there.

[Monker]

No...But, you are probably one to believe the 2000 elections were rigged and have been pissed off about it for years.

Ooooooh! That explains you sooo much! You're a right wing George Bush lover. Oh I really hope that there's a hell so that you and the rest of the religious conservatives can burn there.

LOL! Now this IS perfect evidence on how you jump to conclusions on the flimsiest of pretenses and go and spout a bunch of crap without know anything about what you are talking about...all based on what you WANT to believe and not the truth.

[Higgy]

No...But, you are probably one to believe the 2000 elections were rigged and have been pissed off about it for years.

Ooooooh! That explains you sooo much! You're a right wing George Bush lover. Oh I really hope that there's a hell so that you and the rest of the religious conservatives can burn there.

LOL! Now this IS perfect evidence on how you jump to conclusions on the flimsiest of pretenses and go and spout a bunch of crap without know anything about what you are talking about...all based on what you WANT to believe and not the truth.

Did you cry to all your Styx fan friends on your "2400 baud internal" in 1992 when Bill Clinton won? Have you ever lost a sandwich in one of your fat rolls? Is there special "rascal" parking at the Tea Party conference?

[chowhall]

Is there special "rascal" parking at the Tea Party conference?

Because your liberal way is working so well now. You're a moron.

[Toph]

Dennis says to Tommy to go ahead and join DY

Thank you for finally stated the facts. That is exactly what happened after Tommy called several times wanting to get Styx back together. I'm glad you finally agree with me.

if they had "sceretly" planned his exit.

*I* did not say that. I think Froy believes that tho...

All I am saying is that Tommy REPEATEDLY expressed interest in a Styx reunion and before he joined DY, DENNIS TOLD HIM TO. THOSE are FACTS...and you implying that he had no interest in Styx is complete bullshit. YOU are the one applying all kinds of guesswork "what if" scenarios, and general BS to form a huge story out of it.

You probably are one of those conspiracy theorists that think that Barack Obama is tied to Islamic terrorists and trying to give them more power too, right?

No...But, you are probably one to believe the 2000 elections were rigged and have been pissed off about it for years.

As Rahm Emanuel would say, you are completely f'ing retarded.

The facts are this. Dennis in the middle of a solo album when Tommy wants to get Styx back together (at that point Tommy has no record deal, no band, no source of income, and I can imagine the bills to support the Coke habit are running quite high, so to speak). Dennis says can't right now. Tommy said can I do DY? DDY says, I can't stop you, do what you want to do. DDY finishes solo album, flops, decides with JY to get Styx back together, says to Tommy, ok let's do this. Tommy says, ok. DDY says great. JY says great. Let's book some studio time, then Tommy says, wait, I think I will in fact do DY so screw you guys....JY, DDY pissed at Tommy go and recruit GB. End of story. Your problem is a lack of time context. DDY tells TS about DY way before he is done with said solo album. Tommy waits 6 months before he decides to stab them in the back.

[chowhall]

As Rahm Emanuel would say, you are completely f'ing retarded.

You are quoting Rahm Emanuel who will soon be out of a job. You are F***ing retarded.

[Higgy]

Is there special "rascal" parking at the Tea Party conference?

Because your liberal way is working so well now. You're a moron.

That explains A LOT about you, Chow. Your way worked so much better from 2000-2008. I love how you Tea Party types forget how you had a president pretty much destroy the American Empire in 8 years. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE nominate Sarah Palin for 2012! I think your side is stupid enough to actually do that.
The land of the fat, stupid, and the Wal-mart shopping!

[Higgy]

As Rahm Emanuel would say, you are completely f'ing retarded.

You are quoting Rahm Emanuel who will soon be out of a job. You are F***ing retarded.

GASP! Trig Palin!!!!!

[Zan]

Yeah, ok...I guess. But Slaves was a compilation of local (Jersey) musicians and isn't (at least to me) considered "Glen solo material." Neither is his work with Neil Schon for that matter. CDs like "Talking in Code," "Heroes and Zeros," Palookaville," and "Retrospectacle." NONE of which sound anything like Bruce. I'm not even going to put "Welcome to Hollywood" in there because anyone who thinks THAT sounds like Springsteen is just bat-shit crazy.

Well, those were the only two (Heroes and Slaves) that I had to judge him by...so that was my opinion back then. When were the others released? I didn't think he had THAT much stuff out there in 1991 or so.

Heroes and Zeros sounded nothing like Spingsteen. That's what I'm really saying. And the other CD was a compilation of other Jersey artists, so it would stand to reason that Bruce may have influenced some of that material (but not all or even most).

Edge was a fair Styx album or me, but it wasn't really Glen's material on it, per se, just the whole album was odd. "Back to Chicago" sounds like Broadway (tho I do like it), and "Carrie Ann" is weak. LITR ended up being a favorite of mine, but only after it had time to grow on me. The first time I heard it, I was like, WTF.. I guess what I'm saying is that I liked, even loved some stuff off Edge individually, but as a cohesive album, is was definitely weak, IMO.

Yep...I agree with that. I thought he brought at least a couple songs to Edge...I thought there was some demo, or live performance of some of the songs, before he was a member of Styx?

There are a few on Retrospactacle.

Seriously, much like Tommy was back in the seventies, I think Glen was a great addition to the band from a performance standpoint - on any line-up. Since he didn't do very much writing with them, that one's a tougher call, but I like his Styx stuff immensely. (clearly)

Yeah, I know....and you are completely unbiased too! LOL.

Well, contrary to what anyone may think, I wasn't born a Glen Burtnik fan. I was a skeptical Tommy fan like most everyone else at one point. So, to say I'm biased is a bit of a misnomer because I watched and listened to Glen with fresh and unbiased ears and eyes and just happened to find him pretty damn awesome. Any "loyalties" I have acquired after that fact is strictly evolutionary.

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That explains A LOT about you, Chow. Your way worked so much better from 2000-2008. I love how you Tea Party types forget how you had a president pretty much destroy the American Empire in 8 years. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE nominate Sarah Palin for 2012! I think your side is stupid enough to actually do that.
The land of the fat, stupid, and the Wal-mart shopping!

Actually I'd take 2000-2007 again in a heartbeat. It seems the country started going downhill right as the Democrats took over Congress in 2007. Your history is as flawed as your logic. Tell me one thing that the current administration is doing that is taking us in the right direction. Obama makes us look weak and rudderless. More taxes and more spending is not the answer.