behind the music remastered....

[Jana]

The VH1 board would be spammed with lipsync threads, asking why that topic wasn't covered in the show.

... and no one would care.

Bullshit. People who have no idea would be shocked. Contrary to what you or Tito may think, it is a big deal. If not, why does Neal and Friga and even that dope Valory deny deny deny and even go as far as referring to us as a "bunch of alcoholics" and people "with drug problems" when asked about it? Dude, if the general population really knew, it would be huge news, considering the name brand, "Journey."

I agree with Saint John. Surprise surprise. And I believe most people don't even know Augeri, so a big piece of the puzzle why no one would care about old news on an old tour, when they can spin it Augeri's voice went out during tour and resorted to that while waiting for a replacement to fill in the rest of the tour. Spin, spin on old news.

Now, if it happened right now with all the YouTube phenomenon publicity about how they got Arnel and his huge powerful Steve Perry voice and it was shown in the midst of all this hype that he lip synced on their first or second tour, I think that would be news and people would be all over that.

[Don]

If people want to watch Behind The Music Sequels, Isn't any kind of controversy, past or present the main reason people will want to tune in?

[Ehwmatt]

4.5-5 years is an eternity in the celebrity/entertainment world when it comes to things being forgiven and forgotten. That's all I'll say.

[Don]

Well they could always begin the time line in late 2007 and skip over everything from 2000 until that point.

[Saint John]

If people want to watch Behind The Music Sequels, Isn't any kind of controversy, past or present the main reason people will want to tune in?

Lol ... The Guess Who lipped a show back in in the 70's. Go light the VH-1 board on fire. Dopes.

[Michigan Girl]

If people want to watch Behind The Music Sequels, Isn't any kind of controversy, past or present the main reason people will want to tune in?

The past would have to be included to make it a story ...the present alone simply won't draw enough attention ...there's really
nothing more than has already been told ad nauseam ...

[Rockindeano]

The VH1 board would be spammed with lipsync threads, asking why that topic wasn't covered in the show.

... and no one would care.

Bullshit. People who have no idea would be shocked. Contrary to what you or Tito may think, it is a big deal. If not, why does Neal and Friga and even that dope Valory deny deny deny and even go as far as referring to us as a "bunch of alcoholics" and people "with drug problems" when asked about it? Dude, if the general population really knew, it would be huge news, considering the name brand, "Journey."

Get with the fucking times, man. People want current, up-to-date stories/controversies. No one's gonna give a fuck that 2 lead singers ago Journey wasn't playing completely live shows.

Nice shallow point of view. I guess as long as it's a few years, a new slate is provided eh? However, it is still the name Journey, right? Don't they shoulder any responsibility in upholding that very name,,and respecting the legacy which they built? What you are saying, and always seem to be saying is, Journey are still great, look how good they are, but my point is, they cheated to get there. They don't deserve an ounce of fucking respect for pissing on rock n roll, and now accumulating some accolades. Had they have been relevant 3 years ago, and got caught, there would be no Journey today, that much I can guarantee. I just don't see how some of you can somehow manage to "forget" 3 years of disgrace? Maybe it's just me, but it just seems so cheap and undeserved.

Oh and as far as "up to date" controversies- go to a bar, order about 3, 7 or 12 drinks and ask anyone generically, "who were those dweebs who got busted lip syncing?" I can guarantee you everyone wil know it's Villi Manilli.

Flame away.

[Jana]

The VH1 board would be spammed with lipsync threads, asking why that topic wasn't covered in the show.

... and no one would care.

Bullshit. People who have no idea would be shocked. Contrary to what you or Tito may think, it is a big deal. If not, why does Neal and Friga and even that dope Valory deny deny deny and even go as far as referring to us as a "bunch of alcoholics" and people "with drug problems" when asked about it? Dude, if the general population really knew, it would be huge news, considering the name brand, "Journey."

Get with the fucking times, man. People want current, up-to-date stories/controversies. No one's gonna give a fuck that 2 lead singers ago Journey wasn't playing completely live shows.

Nice shallow point of view. I guess as long as it's a few years, a new slate is provided eh? However, it is still the name Journey, right? Don't they shoulder any responsibility in upholding that very name,,and respecting the legacy which they built? What you are sdaying, and always seem to be saying is, Journey are still great, look how good they are, but my point is, they cheated to get there. They don't deserve an ounce of fucking respect for pissing on rock n roll, and now accumulating some accolades. Had they have been relevant 3 years ago, and got caught, there would be no Journey today, that much I can guarantee. I just don't see how some of you can somehow manage to "forget" 3 years of disgrace? Maybe it's just me, but it just seems so cheap and undeserved.

Oh and as far as "up to date" controversies- go to a bar, order about 3, 7 or 12 drinks and ask anyone generically, "who were those dweebs who got busted lip syncing?" I can guarantee you everyone wil know it's Villi Manilli.

Flame away.

It wasn't Villi Manilli's voices. It was two other singers' voices they were lip syncing to.

[Jana]

The VH1 board would be spammed with lipsync threads, asking why that topic wasn't covered in the show.

... and no one would care.

Bullshit. People who have no idea would be shocked. Contrary to what you or Tito may think, it is a big deal. If not, why does Neal and Friga and even that dope Valory deny deny deny and even go as far as referring to us as a "bunch of alcoholics" and people "with drug problems" when asked about it? Dude, if the general population really knew, it would be huge news, considering the name brand, "Journey."

Get with the fucking times, man. People want current, up-to-date stories/controversies. No one's gonna give a fuck that 2 lead singers ago Journey wasn't playing completely live shows.

Nice shallow point of view. I guess as long as it's a few years, a new slate is provided eh? However, it is still the name Journey, right? Don't they shoulder any responsibility in upholding that very name,,and respecting the legacy which they built? What you are saying, and always seem to be saying is, Journey are still great, look how good they are, but my point is, they cheated to get there. They don't deserve an ounce of fucking respect for pissing on rock n roll, and now accumulating some accolades. Had they have been relevant 3 years ago, and got caught, there would be no Journey today, that much I can guarantee. I just don't see how some of you can somehow manage to "forget" 3 years of disgrace? Maybe it's just me, but it just seems so cheap and undeserved.

Oh and as far as "up to date" controversies- go to a bar, order about 3, 7 or 12 drinks and ask anyone generically, "who were those dweebs who got busted lip syncing?" I can guarantee you everyone wil know it's Villi Manilli.

Flame away.

You let it go and went to see JSS and had a great time. You gave the show a fantastic review.

[Rockindeano]

The VH1 board would be spammed with lipsync threads, asking why that topic wasn't covered in the show.

... and no one would care.

Bullshit. People who have no idea would be shocked. Contrary to what you or Tito may think, it is a big deal. If not, why does Neal and Friga and even that dope Valory deny deny deny and even go as far as referring to us as a "bunch of alcoholics" and people "with drug problems" when asked about it? Dude, if the general population really knew, it would be huge news, considering the name brand, "Journey."

Get with the fucking times, man. People want current, up-to-date stories/controversies. No one's gonna give a fuck that 2 lead singers ago Journey wasn't playing completely live shows.

Nice shallow point of view. I guess as long as it's a few years, a new slate is provided eh? However, it is still the name Journey, right? Don't they shoulder any responsibility in upholding that very name,,and respecting the legacy which they built? What you are sdaying, and always seem to be saying is, Journey are still great, look how good they are, but my point is, they cheated to get there. They don't deserve an ounce of fucking respect for pissing on rock n roll, and now accumulating some accolades. Had they have been relevant 3 years ago, and got caught, there would be no Journey today, that much I can guarantee. I just don't see how some of you can somehow manage to "forget" 3 years of disgrace? Maybe it's just me, but it just seems so cheap and undeserved.

Oh and as far as "up to date" controversies- go to a bar, order about 3, 7 or 12 drinks and ask anyone generically, "who were those dweebs who got busted lip syncing?" I can guarantee you everyone wil know it's Villi Manilli.

Flame away.

It wasn't Villi Manilli's voices. It was two other singers' voices they were lip syncing to.

Missed the point as I suspected you would in all your cheerleading glory.

The point was it was NON GENUINE, FAKED, and it was DECEIT.

[bluejeangirl76]

Oh and as far as "up to date" controversies- go to a bar, order about 3, 7 or 12 drinks and ask anyone generically, "who were those dweebs who got busted lip syncing?" I can guarantee you everyone wil know it's Villi Manilli.

Flame away.

It wasn't Villi Manilli's voices. It was two other singers' voices they were lip syncing to.

That's what he said... "ask anyone generically, "who were those dweebs who got busted lip syncing?"

He didn't say they got busted singing.

[Ehwmatt]

The VH1 board would be spammed with lipsync threads, asking why that topic wasn't covered in the show.

... and no one would care.

Bullshit. People who have no idea would be shocked. Contrary to what you or Tito may think, it is a big deal. If not, why does Neal and Friga and even that dope Valory deny deny deny and even go as far as referring to us as a "bunch of alcoholics" and people "with drug problems" when asked about it? Dude, if the general population really knew, it would be huge news, considering the name brand, "Journey."

Get with the fucking times, man. People want current, up-to-date stories/controversies. No one's gonna give a fuck that 2 lead singers ago Journey wasn't playing completely live shows.

Nice shallow point of view. I guess as long as it's a few years, a new slate is provided eh? However, it is still the name Journey, right? Don't they shoulder any responsibility in upholding that very name,,and respecting the legacy which they built? What you are sdaying, and always seem to be saying is, Journey are still great, look how good they are, but my point is, they cheated to get there. They don't deserve an ounce of fucking respect for pissing on rock n roll, and now accumulating some accolades. Had they have been relevant 3 years ago, and got caught, there would be no Journey today, that much I can guarantee. I just don't see how some of you can somehow manage to "forget" 3 years of disgrace? Maybe it's just me, but it just seems so cheap and undeserved.

Oh and as far as "up to date" controversies- go to a bar, order about 3, 7 or 12 drinks and ask anyone generically, "who were those dweebs who got busted lip syncing?" I can guarantee you everyone wil know it's Villi Manilli.

Flame away.

I don't disagree with any of what you wrote. But, the way I see it, for better or worse they made it through the episode unscathed in the eyes of the general public and lived to play another day. If the revelations came out now to the general public, it would at most heighten scrutiny of AP's performances. It wouldn't be destructive and probably fatal like it would have been had it come to light during the actual perpetration of the fraud.

It'd be like if this Tiger Woods shit broke 5 years after he retired instead of right now in the prime of his career - yeah, it'd be a story, but a passing one and one that wouldn't taint his back legacy nearly as much. Hell, people would probably laugh like they do about Wilt Chamberlain's 500,000,000 sexual partners or whatever absurd figure he claimed.

[Don]

If people want to watch Behind The Music Sequels, Isn't any kind of controversy, past or present the main reason people will want to tune in?

Lol ... The Guess Who lipped a show back in in the 70's. Go light the VH-1 board on fire. Dopes.

As soon as I get my online petition for Miley Cyrus to perform at next year's Superbowl taken care of, I'll go look for for some fuel.

[Rockindeano]

You let it go and went to see JSS and had a great time.

Helluva come back Jana. I couldn't see this one coming?

[Jana]

Oh and as far as "up to date" controversies- go to a bar, order about 3, 7 or 12 drinks and ask anyone generically, "who were those dweebs who got busted lip syncing?" I can guarantee you everyone wil know it's Villi Manilli.

Flame away.

It wasn't Villi Manilli's voices. It was two other singers' voices they were lip syncing to.

That's what he said... "ask anyone generically, "who were those dweebs who got busted lip syncing?"

He didn't say they got busted singing.

There's a ton of singers who lip sync to their own vocal recording. Go on the YouTube. In Europe you can see a lot of acts lip syncing on the shows there and here on TV back in the 80s, 90s, on. No big scandal. Now a Rock tour is different. But Deano said the other day Bon Jovi is lip synching and no big debate on here by anyone about it

[Ehwmatt]

Oh and as far as "up to date" controversies- go to a bar, order about 3, 7 or 12 drinks and ask anyone generically, "who were those dweebs who got busted lip syncing?" I can guarantee you everyone wil know it's Villi Manilli.

Flame away.

It wasn't Villi Manilli's voices. It was two other singers' voices they were lip syncing to.

That's what he said... "ask anyone generically, "who were those dweebs who got busted lip syncing?"

He didn't say they got busted singing.

There's a ton of singers who lip sync to their own vocal recording. Go on the internet. In Europe you can see a lot of acts lip syncing on the shows there and here on TV. No big scandal.

It depends what the purpose/general knowledge of the show is. If they're like some of those old 60s/70s music shows people went on and everyone knew it was lipping+it was obvious, that's one thing. But, passing it over on a paying, concertgoing audience expecting to see live performance is a different animal.

[Jana]

Oh and as far as "up to date" controversies- go to a bar, order about 3, 7 or 12 drinks and ask anyone generically, "who were those dweebs who got busted lip syncing?" I can guarantee you everyone wil know it's Villi Manilli.

Flame away.

It wasn't Villi Manilli's voices. It was two other singers' voices they were lip syncing to.

That's what he said... "ask anyone generically, "who were those dweebs who got busted lip syncing?"

He didn't say they got busted singing.

There's a ton of singers who lip sync to their own vocal recording. Go on the internet. In Europe you can see a lot of acts lip syncing on the shows there and here on TV. No big scandal.

It depends what the purpose/general knowledge of the show is. If they're like some of those old 60s/70s music shows people went on and everyone knew it was lipping+it was obvious, that's one thing. But, passing it over on a paying, concertgoing audience expecting to see live performance is a different animal.

agree. I added on to my statement but you had already replied.

[Rockindeano]

Oh and as far as "up to date" controversies- go to a bar, order about 3, 7 or 12 drinks and ask anyone generically, "who were those dweebs who got busted lip syncing?" I can guarantee you everyone wil know it's Villi Manilli.

Flame away.

It wasn't Villi Manilli's voices. It was two other singers' voices they were lip syncing to.

That's what he said... "ask anyone generically, "who were those dweebs who got busted lip syncing?"

He didn't say they got busted singing.

There's a ton of singers who lip sync to their own vocal recording. Go on the YouTube. In Europe you can see a lot of acts lip syncing on the shows there and here on TV. No big scandal.

And they're not in genuine live, good musician rock bands either. Being Miley Cyrus is not the same as being in Journey. So now you are trying to validate Journey's sin by saying, well, they did lip to their own voice, and well, everyone does it too. Jana, that's exactly what Neal told me on the phone (RedJoe13 heard it), "dude, everyone is doin it, the Leppard, everyone." Last time I looked, "The Leppard" wasn't everybody. Come on now apologists...Journey was supposed to be one of those special vocal bands, just a special band, like say the Eagles, not the ridiculously lame Lippard.

[Michigan Girl]

But Deano said the other day Bon Jovi is lip synching and no big debate on here by anyone about it

I do not believe it ...

[portland]

But Deano said the other day Bon Jovi is lip synching and no big debate on here by anyone about it

I do not believe it ...

I will wait for July...and if I see it...I will be the first one to come here and say so.

[Michigan Girl]

But Deano said the other day Bon Jovi is lip synching and no big debate on here by anyone about it

I do not believe it ...

I will wait for July...and if I see it...I will be the first one to come here and say so.

I'll be seeing them in April, you won't be saying that ...unless JBJ can't sing anymore at all
since the last tour!!

[steveo777]

The VH1 board would be spammed with lipsync threads, asking why that topic wasn't covered in the show.

... and no one would care.

Bullshit. People who have no idea would be shocked. Contrary to what you or Tito may think, it is a big deal. If not, why does Neal and Friga and even that dope Valory deny deny deny and even go as far as referring to us as a "bunch of alcoholics" and people "with drug problems" when asked about it? Dude, if the general population really knew, it would be huge news, considering the name brand, "Journey."

Get with the fucking times, man. People want current, up-to-date stories/controversies. No one's gonna give a fuck that 2 lead singers ago Journey wasn't playing completely live shows.

Nice shallow point of view. I guess as long as it's a few years, a new slate is provided eh? However, it is still the name Journey, right? Don't they shoulder any responsibility in upholding that very name,,and respecting the legacy which they built? What you are saying, and always seem to be saying is, Journey are still great, look how good they are, but my point is, they cheated to get there. They don't deserve an ounce of fucking respect for pissing on rock n roll, and now accumulating some accolades. Had they have been relevant 3 years ago, and got caught, there would be no Journey today, that much I can guarantee. I just don't see how some of you can somehow manage to "forget" 3 years of disgrace? Maybe it's just me, but it just seems so cheap and undeserved.

Oh and as far as "up to date" controversies- go to a bar, order about 3, 7 or 12 drinks and ask anyone generically, "who were those dweebs who got busted lip syncing?" I can guarantee you everyone wil know it's Villi Manilli.

Flame away.

No flame, Dean. The Journey ship did not sink because the majority of fans are not of the same mindset as you are and probably even fewer know what happened and even if they did alls been forgotten / forgiven. Some probably also feel that it was Steve Augeri that lipped and he's no longer with the company so it doesn't really matter anymore. I can totally see people feeling that way and there's been a lot of water under the bridge. People, in general are also pretty forgiving.

[Saint John]

Missed the point as I suspected you would in all your cheerleading glory.

The point was it was NON GENUINE, FAKED, and it was DECEIT.

Dean, you are the one "missing the point!" Journey never got caught doing anything wrong as far as the general public knows. There are a few hundred people in the fucking world that know what happened, and those that don't know wouldn't give a fuck now because it was 2 singers and 4 years ago! Go blaze the VH-1 board with this bullshit and let me know how you feel about the comments "Loser," "Tard," and "Get a life, dickhead!" when they're hurled your way. Because that's what'll happen! Seriously, if you tried to pick a topic any more boring to talk about it would be a challenge to find one. "Hello, VH-1 people. Journey lip-synched in 2006 and part of 2007." I'll be sure to check 60 Minutes this Sunday night to see if this red hot story hits primetime.

[Tito]

even go as far as referring to us as a "bunch of alcoholics" and people "with drug problems" when asked about it?

Because it was accurate.

[Rockindeano]

Missed the point as I suspected you would in all your cheerleading glory.

The point was it was NON GENUINE, FAKED, and it was DECEIT.

Dean, you are the one "missing the point!" Journey never got caught doing anything wrong as far as the general public knows. There are a few hundred people in the fucking world that know what happened, and those that don't know wouldn't give a fuck now because it was 2 singers and 4 years ago! Go blaze the VH-1 board with this bullshit and let me know how you feel about the comments "Loser," "Tard," and "Get a life, dickhead!" when they're hurled your way. Because that's what'll happen! Seriously, if you tried to pick a topic any more boring to talk about it would be a challenge to find one. "Hello, VH-1 people. Journey lip-synched in 2006 and part of 2007." I'll be sure to check 60 Minutes this Sunday night to see if this red hot story hits primetime.

Hey, if you are proud to be a fan of a band who got away with musical murder, go for it. I thought there would a shade of "something" in there, that said, "this just isn't right" but since no one knows about it, let's party!

I understand, sort of. I guess I was just a more passionate fan that's all.

[Ehwmatt]

Missed the point as I suspected you would in all your cheerleading glory.

The point was it was NON GENUINE, FAKED, and it was DECEIT.

Dean, you are the one "missing the point!" Journey never got caught doing anything wrong as far as the general public knows. There are a few hundred people in the fucking world that know what happened, and those that don't know wouldn't give a fuck now because it was 2 singers and 4 years ago! Go blaze the VH-1 board with this bullshit and let me know how you feel about the comments "Loser," "Tard," and "Get a life, dickhead!" when they're hurled your way. Because that's what'll happen! Seriously, if you tried to pick a topic any more boring to talk about it would be a challenge to find one. "Hello, VH-1 people. Journey lip-synched in 2006 and part of 2007." I'll be sure to check 60 Minutes this Sunday night to see if this red hot story hits primetime.

Hey, if you are proud to be a fan of a band who got away with musical murder, go for it. I thought there would a shade of "something" in there, that said, "this just isn't right" but since no one knows about it, let's party!

I understand, sort of. I guess I was just a more passionate fan that's all.

As someone who treads somewhat more of a middle ground here than either you or Dan, if Perry came back and toured with them, would you see them ? Just curious, since it seems the damage is permanent in your eyes.

[bluejeangirl76]

Missed the point as I suspected you would in all your cheerleading glory.

The point was it was NON GENUINE, FAKED, and it was DECEIT.

Dean, you are the one "missing the point!" Journey never got caught doing anything wrong as far as the general public knows.

That makes it ok? As long as they don't get caught by 'most people'?
And if "all the other kids are doing it"? Wow.

[Jana]

Oh and as far as "up to date" controversies- go to a bar, order about 3, 7 or 12 drinks and ask anyone generically, "who were those dweebs who got busted lip syncing?" I can guarantee you everyone wil know it's Villi Manilli.

Flame away.

It wasn't Villi Manilli's voices. It was two other singers' voices they were lip syncing to.

That's what he said... "ask anyone generically, "who were those dweebs who got busted lip syncing?"

He didn't say they got busted singing.

There's a ton of singers who lip sync to their own vocal recording. Go on the YouTube. In Europe you can see a lot of acts lip syncing on the shows there and here on TV. No big scandal.

And they're not in genuine live, good musician rock bands either. Being Miley Cyrus is not the same as being in Journey. So now you are trying to validate Journey's sin by saying, well, they did lip to their own voice, and well, everyone does it too. Jana, that's exactly what Neal told me on the phone (RedJoe13 heard it), "dude, everyone is doin it, the Leppard, everyone." Last time I looked, "The Leppard" wasn't everybody. Come on now apolhis ogists...Journey was supposed to be one of those special vocal bands, just a special band, like say the Eagles, not the ridiculously lame Lippard.

I had added on to my statement that a rock concert was different, though. I'm not apologizing for them. I just made the statement that no one would much care about this story from several years ago. You seem to think this would be a story now and I don't think so.

Again, you happily went and saw them in concert with JSS and probably, if he wasn't fired, would still be on the bandwagon following them. So you were forgiving too.

[Saint John]

Missed the point as I suspected you would in all your cheerleading glory.

The point was it was NON GENUINE, FAKED, and it was DECEIT.

Dean, you are the one "missing the point!" Journey never got caught doing anything wrong as far as the general public knows. There are a few hundred people in the fucking world that know what happened, and those that don't know wouldn't give a fuck now because it was 2 singers and 4 years ago! Go blaze the VH-1 board with this bullshit and let me know how you feel about the comments "Loser," "Tard," and "Get a life, dickhead!" when they're hurled your way. Because that's what'll happen! Seriously, if you tried to pick a topic any more boring to talk about it would be a challenge to find one. "Hello, VH-1 people. Journey lip-synched in 2006 and part of 2007." I'll be sure to check 60 Minutes this Sunday night to see if this red hot story hits primetime.

Hey, if you are proud to be a fan of a band who got away with musical murder, go for it. I thought there would a shade of "something" in there, that said, "this just isn't right" but since no one knows about it, let's party!

I understand, sort of. I guess I was just a more passionate fan that's all.

You can try to spin this every which way but loose, but, in the end, you were the one hanging out with these guys and found them important enough to get to know personally, "chronicle" about (The Grey Goose Chronicles), fly around the country to hang with, drink and party with and exchange phone numbers with. Me? I'm a dude that loves their live music and the get togethers with fellow fans and friends. Nothing more.

[Rockindeano]

As someone who treads somewhat more of a middle ground here than either you or Dan, if Perry came back and toured with them, would you see them ? Just curious, since it seems the damage is permanent in your eyes.

LOL, good question. Thankfully Perry would never do that, as he knows what has happened and there is too much bad blood, but hypothetically speaking? Man, that's tough, but I would have to say no. What they did in my eyes was just criminal.

Let me ask you Matt, you play guitar. Brywool plays as well I believe. What if neal just played in concert to tape? I mean seriously, no one would know..No one would have a clue. However, what if one night something happened and a glitch occurred, and Neal was exposed? Wouldn't you feel cheated by all those years of aspiration by him, only to find that he was faking it when it counted? Seriously, where do we stop? An entire band, save for the drums, could do an entire fake tour, all recorded and no one would ever know. I guess that makes it ok "if they never get caught." So my question is, according to Dan, just be good in the studio, lay down the tracks, mime it on tour and don't get caught. We'll still pay to see you anyway." I don't know how to take that. It's beyond me and and I can't even grasp it.