Illegal Immigration in USA: WTF Is There To Argue About?

[Behshad]

I don't understand why so many people have so much sympathy for these lawbreakers here. There are solutions but it's gonna take some tough, draconian moves to make a difference. Most people don't have the spine for it. America has become pussified!

No one here is granting an ounce of sympathy to any 'lawbreaker.' Our point is that many people, brown folk, who are in fact American or here awaiting citizenship, are not criminals. You just made our point about this bullshit law. It's a racist law, and one without thought or understanding. No one here has stood in opposition to immigration reform....just the way it's being dealt with by the state of Arizona and soon to be Texas. hell, even Karl Rove and Lindsay Grahm are saying this isn't constitutional. That should tell you something.

I'm not biased against Mexicans. I love Mexican food.

Just like you dont mind French , cause of Fries and you dont mind polish people cause of the sausage and you specially dont mind Norweigian people cause you feel sorry for stupid people

Hey you Sand Pirate didn't you grow up in Sweden? IIRC, you said you did...anyway, my new orthopedist is a Swede and he is one smart motherfucker. Used to be Medical doctor for the Denver Broncos and US Ski Team. He is great too, because when he drains my fuckin knees, he numbs me up so much with novacaine(which isn't necessary), that I get higher than Christian Slater at an open bar. It's awesome. My old Doc would just spray some alcohol on the skin and pierce the knee, and out comes the fluid. I dropped his sorry ass because he is aganst prescribing the greatest drug known to man, Vicodin.

Yep, I grew up in Sweden,,,, great medical & healthcare system

[Rockindeano]

I don't understand why so many people have so much sympathy for these lawbreakers here. There are solutions but it's gonna take some tough, draconian moves to make a difference. Most people don't have the spine for it. America has become pussified!

No one here is granting an ounce of sympathy to any 'lawbreaker.' Our point is that many people, brown folk, who are in fact American or here awaiting citizenship, are not criminals. You just made our point about this bullshit law. It's a racist law, and one without thought or understanding. No one here has stood in opposition to immigration reform....just the way it's being dealt with by the state of Arizona and soon to be Texas. hell, even Karl Rove and Lindsay Grahm are saying this isn't constitutional. That should tell you something.

I'm not biased against Mexicans. I love Mexican food.

Just like you dont mind French , cause of Fries and you dont mind polish people cause of the sausage and you specially dont mind Norweigian people cause you feel sorry for stupid people

Hey you Sand Pirate didn't you grow up in Sweden? IIRC, you said you did...anyway, my new orthopedist is a Swede and he is one smart motherfucker. Used to be Medical doctor for the Denver Broncos and US Ski Team. He is great too, because when he drains my fuckin knees, he numbs me up so much with novacaine(which isn't necessary), that I get higher than Christian Slater at an open bar. It's awesome. My old Doc would just spray some alcohol on the skin and pierce the knee, and out comes the fluid. I dropped his sorry ass because he is aganst prescribing the greatest drug known to man, Vicodin.

Yep, I grew up in Sweden,,,, great medical & healthcare system

Great great hockey players. Ever heard of Ornskoldsvik? The Sedin Twins are from there, as is Peter Forsberg and Markus Naslund. Sweden also has a plethora of hot chicks too.

[Behshad]

I don't understand why so many people have so much sympathy for these lawbreakers here. There are solutions but it's gonna take some tough, draconian moves to make a difference. Most people don't have the spine for it. America has become pussified!

No one here is granting an ounce of sympathy to any 'lawbreaker.' Our point is that many people, brown folk, who are in fact American or here awaiting citizenship, are not criminals. You just made our point about this bullshit law. It's a racist law, and one without thought or understanding. No one here has stood in opposition to immigration reform....just the way it's being dealt with by the state of Arizona and soon to be Texas. hell, even Karl Rove and Lindsay Grahm are saying this isn't constitutional. That should tell you something.

I'm not biased against Mexicans. I love Mexican food.

Just like you dont mind French , cause of Fries and you dont mind polish people cause of the sausage and you specially dont mind Norweigian people cause you feel sorry for stupid people

Hey you Sand Pirate didn't you grow up in Sweden? IIRC, you said you did...anyway, my new orthopedist is a Swede and he is one smart motherfucker. Used to be Medical doctor for the Denver Broncos and US Ski Team. He is great too, because when he drains my fuckin knees, he numbs me up so much with novacaine(which isn't necessary), that I get higher than Christian Slater at an open bar. It's awesome. My old Doc would just spray some alcohol on the skin and pierce the knee, and out comes the fluid. I dropped his sorry ass because he is aganst prescribing the greatest drug known to man, Vicodin.

Yep, I grew up in Sweden,,,, great medical & healthcare system

Great great hockey players. Ever heard of Ornskoldsvik? The Sedin Twins are from there, as is Peter Forsberg and Markus Naslund. Sweden also has a plethora of hot chicks too.

Yep,,, Örnsköldsvik their team Modo has always been a good team, although my favorite team is Frölunda Indians from Gothenburg,,,,

[ohsherrie]

Soooo you would be ok if the government said that all white citizens had to carry a passport on their person at all times for the forseeable future or face jail?

I already said that IMO the biggest step to solving illegal immigration is to crack down on companies hiring illegals, and do stricter checks on people getting welfare, if that truly is a problem. Seriously, this law is going to do nothing but breed suspicion and hatred for brown people. They will always find a way to come back to America if there is work to be had from unscrupulous companies.

I'll step out of this thread now. Next step in your line of thinking is internment camps until the problem is solved, much like the Japanese endured in WWII. Thought our country had learned its lesson from that.

I'd have no problem whatsoever carrying my papers if that's what it took to get control of this situation. I see this as the biggest security risk, as well as the biggest economic drain, facing the country today.

Yes, they do need to arrest people who hire illegals, absolutely, and in the meantime send all the illegals they encounter in the process back to where they came from.

You have no idea what the next step in my thought process might be. You're the only one that has mentioned internment camps. I don't want them interred indefinitely. I want them gone.

This has nothing to do with skin color. It has to do with national security, the economy and the budget deficit. I can't help it that they have brown skin any more than they can help it that I have red hair and freckles.

[Rockindeano]

Soooo you would be ok if the government said that all white citizens had to carry a passport on their person at all times for the forseeable future or face jail?

I already said that IMO the biggest step to solving illegal immigration is to crack down on companies hiring illegals, and do stricter checks on people getting welfare, if that truly is a problem. Seriously, this law is going to do nothing but breed suspicion and hatred for brown people. They will always find a way to come back to America if there is work to be had from unscrupulous companies.

I'll step out of this thread now. Next step in your line of thinking is internment camps until the problem is solved, much like the Japanese endured in WWII. Thought our country had learned its lesson from that.

I'd have no problem whatsoever carrying my papers if that's what it took to get control of this situation. I see this as the biggest security risk, as well as the biggest economic drain, facing the country today.

Yes, they do need to arrest people who hire illegals, absolutely, and in the meantime send all the illegals they encounter in the process back to where they came from.

You have no idea what the next step in my thought process might be. You're the only one that has mentioned internment camps. I don't want them interred indefinitely. I want them gone.

This has nothing to do with skin color. It has to do with national security, the economy and the budget deficit. I can't help it that they have brown skin any more than they can help it that I have red hair and freckles.

LOL, I know what you look like.

Good solid post.

Look, I am not at all against reforming immigration, in fact I'm all for it. I fully understand the drain on the US economy, and more pointedly, the southern border states, CA, AZ, NM, TX and LA. It's clear who is getting fucked, the USA; and it's crystal clear who is getting off scot free; that would be Mexico. Look at all the money that place is saving, having a 1/4th of their population coming here for work, education and healthcare. Work you say? Yes, every single Hispanic I know, works here, and every payday, they can be seen at a Western Union, sending money back home to family. hat pisses me off. The money doesn't stay here. Folks, Mexico is a very corrupt state. The Federali gov't is more crooked than Pinocchio's dick. Don't believe me? Go there and visit one weekend. They will seek out a white American and charge them with a bogus crime, in order to get paid off via bribe, in cold hard US cash.

[Ehwmatt]

Soooo you would be ok if the government said that all white citizens had to carry a passport on their person at all times for the forseeable future or face jail?

I already said that IMO the biggest step to solving illegal immigration is to crack down on companies hiring illegals, and do stricter checks on people getting welfare, if that truly is a problem. Seriously, this law is going to do nothing but breed suspicion and hatred for brown people. They will always find a way to come back to America if there is work to be had from unscrupulous companies.

I'll step out of this thread now. Next step in your line of thinking is internment camps until the problem is solved, much like the Japanese endured in WWII. Thought our country had learned its lesson from that.

I'd have no problem whatsoever carrying my papers if that's what it took to get control of this situation. I see this as the biggest security risk, as well as the biggest economic drain, facing the country today.

Yes, they do need to arrest people who hire illegals, absolutely, and in the meantime send all the illegals they encounter in the process back to where they came from.

You have no idea what the next step in my thought process might be. You're the only one that has mentioned internment camps. I don't want them interred indefinitely. I want them gone.

This has nothing to do with skin color. It has to do with national security, the economy and the budget deficit. I can't help it that they have brown skin any more than they can help it that I have red hair and freckles.

LOL, I know what you look like.

Good solid post.

Look, I am not at all against reforming immigration, in fact I'm all for it. I fully understand the drain on the US economy, and more pointedly, the southern border states, CA, AZ, NM, TX and LA. It's clear who is getting fucked, the USA; and it's crystal clear who is getting off scot free; that would be Mexico. Look at all the money that place is saving, having a 1/4th of their population coming here for work, education and healthcare. Work you say? Yes, every single Hispanic I know, works here, and every payday, they can be seen at a Western Union, sending money back home to family. hat pisses me off. The money doesn't stay here. Folks, Mexico is a very corrupt state. The Federali gov't is more crooked than Pinocchio's dick. Don't believe me? Go there and visit one weekend. They will seek out a white American and charge them with a bogus crime, in order to get paid off via bribe, in cold hard US cash.

You hit it on the head in the bold. Couldn't agree more.

[squirt1]

The police are just as corrupt as their politicians ! About 6 yrs ago my daughter and her husband were driving in Mexico. Sure enough they were stopped and going to jail for supposedly speeding. Christine studied Spanish for 12 yrs so she had no problem negotiating the $$$$$ to hand over in order to drive away. Why go to that country for any reason?

[Ehwmatt]

The police are just as corrupt as their politicians ! About 6 yrs ago my daughter and her husband were driving in Mexico. Sure enough they were stopped and going to jail for supposedly speeding. Christine studied Spanish for 12 yrs so she had no problem negotiating the $$$$$ to hand over in order to drive away. Why go to that country for any reason?

The only reason I see is if you're too poor to afford a vacation to somewhere decent in the states or even in the Caribbean. Otherwise, you gotta have a screw loose. The closest I get to Mexico is the local Mexican joint that was recently busted up by the feds and had 3/4 of their staff sent home to Mexico.

[Rockindeano]

The police are just as corrupt as their politicians ! About 6 yrs ago my daughter and her husband were driving in Mexico. Sure enough they were stopped and going to jail for supposedly speeding. Christine studied Spanish for 12 yrs so she had no problem negotiating the $$$$$ to hand over in order to drive away. Why go to that country for any reason?

That's exactly what I was saying Squirt. (Damned if that name doesn't have sexual connotations ). Once I was down there, throwing back tequila and beer, and had to take a piss. There was one flea infested shitter and it was occupied, so I went outside, along with every other Mexican in the place. The cops drive by, and guess who they arrested? Yep. They impounded my sled, and threw my white ass in the hole. I whipped out a Benjamin and was out in 50 seconds. Get this, those stupid fuckers towed my car to the impound lot. I simply walked around, and through the wide open gate, reached underneath my front bumper, got my hide a key, started it up and drove back to America. That was the single greatest achievement in evading the 'law' I have ever accomplished. I imagine I am wanted in that sorry assed puke ridden shithole.

PS- the one good thing you can do there, in Tijuana at least, is purchase vicodin without a script. Hell, they seek you out and walk you to the pharmacia. It's great...and while there, you can negotiate your price! Stupid bastards. I would have paid 50 US bucks for what I got, and they ended up getting 20 out of me. Idiots.

[squirt1]

You know Deano,you are the only one that can drag the fine name of Squirt through all of those connotations. Anyway, I have not forgotten what you wanted me to pick up. As soon as I get through this musical cars with 2 of my kids , things should get back to normal.I think they are going to the DMV tohight or tomorrow . Explain to me what the outcome will be for the Cyclones as I know little about hockey. Is Vicodin for pain? With all the contractures I have in my feet ,maybe I should move to Tiajuana .

[Rockindeano]

You know Deano,you are the only one that can drag the fine name of Squirt through all of those connotations. Anyway, I have not forgotten what you wanted me to pick up. As soon as I get through this musical cars with 2 of my kids , things should get back to normal.I think they are going to the DMV tohight or tomorrow . Explain to me what the outcome will be for the Cyclones as I know little about hockey. Is Vicodin for pain? With all the contractures I have in my feet ,maybe I should move to Tiajuana .

Grandma, vicodin is for shoulders, hips, wrists, ankles, knees, backs, happiness. The greatest drug ever.

And no, never ever go to Tijuana. Complete toilet.

[squirt1]

Matt where was that restaurant? Is in in Ohio? I saw an article that the feds are going to seize the property of some fine French restaurant for the same thing. I think it may be in Hollywood.

[squirt1]

Deano believe, me this grandma only drives back roads and I stay off expressways. The conditions you mentioned, I believe I have them all. I am not going anywhere except certain antique malls.

[slucero]

... We've had immigration reform... which included amnesty... a couple time already... and it's never slowed illegal immigration..... why?

.. the existing federal laws have never been enforced.... so foreigners continue to enter the US illegally, then take advantage of the minimal protections afforded by the Bill of Rights and are allowed to stay until they:

1. gain residency
2. exhaust their legal options and are are deported
3. simply disappear into the country

The porosity of the borders, lack of enforcement, and abuse of the Bill of Right stand in stark contrast to the Federal Law... which clearly makes it illegal to knowingly employ or aid anyone here illegally.

Section 274 felonies under the federal Immigration and Nationality Act, INA 274A(a)(1)(A):

A person (including a group of persons, business, organization, or local government) commits a federal felony when she or he:

assists an alien s/he should reasonably know is illegally in the U.S. or who lacks employment authorization, by transporting, sheltering, or assisting him or her to obtain employment, or encourages that alien to remain in the U.S. by referring him or her to an employer or by acting as employer or agent for an employer in any way, or knowingly assists illegal aliens due to personal convictions.

Penalties upon conviction include criminal fines, imprisonment, and forfeiture of vehicles and real property used to commit the crime. Anyone employing or contracting with an illegal alien without verifying his or her work authorization status is guilty of a misdemeanor. Aliens and employers violating immigration laws are subject to arrest, detention, and seizure of their vehicles or property. In addition, individuals or entities who engage in racketeering enterprises that commit (or conspire to commit) immigration-related felonies are subject to private civil suits for treble damages and injunctive relief.

IMHO.. we don't need immigration reform, there has never been a need for it... we simply need the laws enforced effectively...

[Ehwmatt]

Arizona authorities say deputy shot in stomach by suspected undocumented immigrant during traffic stop south of Phoenix http://bit.ly/cls6P2
20 minutes ago via BreakingNews Headquarte

I'm sure these were good hard working illegal immigrants who were unfortunate enough to be profiled by the long, tyrannical arm of the law. That racist cop deserved to be shot!

[Rick]

Arizona authorities say deputy shot in stomach by suspected undocumented immigrant during traffic stop south of Phoenix http://bit.ly/cls6P2
20 minutes ago via BreakingNews Headquarte

That was a bad move. That will only further legitimize what Arizona is trying to do.

[RedWingFan]

Arizona authorities say deputy shot in stomach by suspected undocumented immigrant during traffic stop south of Phoenix http://bit.ly/cls6P2
20 minutes ago via BreakingNews Headquarte

That was a bad move. That will only further legitimize what Arizona is trying to do.

Rick the question is, how many more Americans will have to be murdered like this until Obama and other liberals will move to enforce existing federal law and secure the border? Is there enough blood to ever outweigh the masses of potential new voters?

[Rockindeano]

Arizona authorities say deputy shot in stomach by suspected undocumented immigrant during traffic stop south of Phoenix http://bit.ly/cls6P2
20 minutes ago via BreakingNews Headquarte

That was a bad move. That will only further legitimize what Arizona is trying to do.

Rick the question is, how many more Americans will have to be murdered like this until Obama and other liberals will move to enforce existing federal law and secure the border? Is there enough blood to ever outweigh the masses of potential new voters?

Oh fucking spare me. Did George W Fucking Bush enforce the law? Hell no, he encouraged immigrants to come over and work for his buddies. You're fucking warped.

[RedWingFan]

Arizona authorities say deputy shot in stomach by suspected undocumented immigrant during traffic stop south of Phoenix http://bit.ly/cls6P2
20 minutes ago via BreakingNews Headquarte

That was a bad move. That will only further legitimize what Arizona is trying to do.

Rick the question is, how many more Americans will have to be murdered like this until Obama and other liberals will move to enforce existing federal law and secure the border? Is there enough blood to ever outweigh the masses of potential new voters?

Oh fucking spare me. Did George W Fucking Bush enforce the law? Hell no, he encouraged immigrants to come over and work for his buddies. You're fucking warped.

You're absolutely right Dean, I guess it was the "compassionate" a.k.a. bleeding heart liberal side of Bush's "compassionate conservatism". I remember what Bush and McCain tried to pull on the American people in 2007.

[Rick]

Arizona authorities say deputy shot in stomach by suspected undocumented immigrant during traffic stop south of Phoenix http://bit.ly/cls6P2
20 minutes ago via BreakingNews Headquarte

That was a bad move. That will only further legitimize what Arizona is trying to do.

Rick the question is, how many more Americans will have to be murdered like this until Obama and other liberals will move to enforce existing federal law and secure the border? Is there enough blood to ever outweigh the masses of potential new voters?

Well, don't choke, but we agree on a lot with this issue. My only beef is that I wouldn't go plastering the Dems and libs for it, because the right hasn't done shit either. I'm all for what Arizona is doing, and I applaud them for it. I understand the furor over racial profiling, but as someone previously said in this thread... if you're an American citizen, you shouldn't have a problem proving it, proudly, because you've earned it.

[steveo777]

Arizona authorities say deputy shot in stomach by suspected undocumented immigrant during traffic stop south of Phoenix http://bit.ly/cls6P2
20 minutes ago via BreakingNews Headquarte

That was a bad move. That will only further legitimize what Arizona is trying to do.

Kudos to Arizona. I'm glad somebody finally grew some balls. Now, hopefully, other states will follow suit.

[hoagiepete]

I break ranks with conservatives on this one.

The US needs these immigrants to sustain and grow its economy. They broke the law coming in. They should pay some sort of pentence, but exporting them all is unreasonable. People are smoking something strong if they think 1) they can actually send them all home and 2) it would not devistate our economy.

They have to find some method to allow them to become legal. Make them register, pay taxes, pay penalties/fines that are affordable, maybe make employers pay surtax, and have a requirement they go through the normal channels to gain citizen ship after this point, and then if they do not...send them home. If they have hoops to go through, its not "amnesty" as the ultra righters claim. They are not getting a free pass.

We have to get them in the system and paying taxes.

The hispanics work their asses off. The young people of America today are soft and scared or unwilling to work hard. Period. (Broad brush I know, but a majority are that way. Those that aren't are guaranteed a ticket to success.) Why? Entitlements, handouts, video games and lenient parents I guess. Hell, they learn they'll get a "participation medal" even though they suck at something. Why work harder? Now, if they don't want to work hard to be successful, they know the government will take care of them. Why bother. I digress.

[ohsherrie]

LOL, I know what you look like.

Good solid post.

Look, I am not at all against reforming immigration, in fact I'm all for it. I fully understand the drain on the US economy, and more pointedly, the southern border states, CA, AZ, NM, TX and LA. It's clear who is getting fucked, the USA; and it's crystal clear who is getting off scot free; that would be Mexico. Look at all the money that place is saving, having a 1/4th of their population coming here for work, education and healthcare. Work you say? Yes, every single Hispanic I know, works here, and every payday, they can be seen at a Western Union, sending money back home to family. hat pisses me off. The money doesn't stay here. Folks, Mexico is a very corrupt state. The Federali gov't is more crooked than Pinocchio's dick. Don't believe me? Go there and visit one weekend. They will seek out a white American and charge them with a bogus crime, in order to get paid off via bribe, in cold hard US cash.

Thank you Dean, I was hoping for some sanity here. I have nothing at all against Mexican people, or any people. Do I care about the citizens of the USA more than those of other countries, well, yeah, I do, so sue me or flog me or whatever. It's sort of like a family thing, do you care more for your own family than for strangers? If you don't you must be a sociopath (but I know you aren't).

The reason that I don't see the Arizona law as being the dictatorial hell that some on here do is because I see what Law Enforcement faces every day in dealing with the results of the illegals that are free to do whatever they can until they're caught. I have a file drawer full of drug cases, 80% of which are crimes committed by Hispanics. Many of them are drawing social assistance from our government for their children while they're driving BMWs and Cadillac Escalades that they buy with their drug money.

That doesn't mean I don't identify with the plight of those men who come here to work like animals in the fields to be able to send money home to their families. I do, but there is no realistic way to separate that from those who are here to exploit the kindness of the American people and government.

Just as there is no realistic way of trying to stop it without doing what Arizona is doing.

I'm a Democrat, but on this issue I'm not liberal, I'm realistic. I know what Law Enforcement is facing with this problem and it would be overwhelming if most of them weren't the dedicated men and women that they are. Are there bad cops, of course, there are bad ones in every profession, look at Wall Street, but most cops that I know are good people who are doing their best for the people of their jurisdiction and country.

Anybody who doubts that should have to spend one month in their shoes. I guarantee you would come away with a different perspective.

[steveo777]

I break ranks with conservatives on this one.

The US needs these immigrants to sustain and grow its economy. They broke the law coming in. They should pay some sort of pentence, but exporting them all is unreasonable. People are smoking something strong if they think 1) they can actually send them all home and 2) it would not devistate our economy.

They have to find some method to allow them to become legal. Make them register, pay taxes, pay penalties/fines that are affordable, maybe make employers pay surtax, and have a requirement they go through the normal channels to gain citizen ship after this point, and then if they do not...send them home. If they have hoops to go through, its not "amnesty" as the ultra righters claim. They are not getting a free pass.

We have to get them in the system and paying taxes.

The hispanics work their asses off. The young people of America today are soft and scared or unwilling to work hard. Period. (Broad brush I know, but a majority are that way. Those that aren't are guaranteed a ticket to success.) Why? Entitlements, handouts, video games and lenient parents I guess. Hell, they learn they'll get a "participation medal" even though they suck at something. Why work harder? Now, if they don't want to work hard to be successful, they know the government will take care of them. Why bother. I digress.

I don't disagree with a lot of what you say.

The people who are demonstrating that they work hard and stay out of trouble can stay. The ones who make their lives being thugs, drug dealers, or mooch off governent services can get the fuck out. I have no problem with decent human beings coming into the country willing to work hard to provide a better lives for their families. So, I would propose amnesty for the working, non trouble makers and ousting for all the rest. Going forward I think there should be a work visa program, where potential immigrants can participate in job lotteries. After they are here, for say five years, then can apply to become legitimate citizens. It would be really easy to say save the jobs for Americans, but unfortunately too many Americans are too spoiled and won't work for certain wages or do certain jobs. Since this is America we should do more to encourage that they learn the language and stop spending so much money on bilingual materials, as that is just enabling them not to have to learn our language.

[squirt1]

I know Bush, Obama and Congress have done nothing. They look to get more votes, even if many of those are illegal. Not all hardworking illegals pay taxes but still bankrupt hospitals and state social agencies by laws that our Congress put in place over the years. The biggest problem is many are in gangs and are drug runners. Put up the wall already and then take on the gangs before more police are outgunned and die. The nat'l guard is the only entity they would fear. Add John McCain to the idiot list. I hope he gets voted out. Mexico is the wild wild west and the south western U S soon will not be far behind.

[jrnyman28]

Reform the legalization process.
Educate the world (Central & South America) on this process.
Enforce this process.

Until then, there is no way to differentiate who "deserves" to be here and who doesn't. Illegal is illegal. If someone is discovered to be illegal during a legitimate police action than they should be deported. The grey area of this whole law is the "legitimate police action" and that is where the possibility of racial profiling comes into play. That sucks. But it is now a rather likely and necessary situation........

[hoagiepete]

Don't forget we need to secure the borders. Until then, it will continue to be a cluster.

[ohsherrie]

I like what Lou Dobbs had to say on the CBS Early Show Saturday:

"Dobbs says, "Right now, we have an opportunity to do something positive and constructive in this country. We have people attacking the state of Arizona, news organizations around the country, national and local, not reporting the fact that 70 percent of Arizona citizens support the law, not reporting the fact that Phoenix is the kidnapping capital of the United States, (with the) second most frequent kidnappings in the world. Thirdly, that ... Phoenix has a crime rate, the capital, that is just about the same as New York City, which is eight times larger."

Wragge pointed to a new Gallop poll showing more than three-quarters of Americans who responded had heard about the new law, and of those, 51 percent said they favor it and 39 percent opposed it."


There are legal ways for immigrants to come into this country and work. It's the ones who come illegally and the ones who stay after their green cards have expired that are the problem. If they need the job, they can come here legally to earn the money they need and then either renew their visa's. apply for citizenship or go back where they came from. Instead many of them are having children with American citizens so the can jump on the welfare gravy train and stay indefinitely.

Like Dave said, illegal is illegal and if they're illegal they need to be gone.

[treetopovskaya]

i like this quote...

"I'm gonna jump the fence at Disneyland and get on a rollercoaster ahead of everyone else"

[Michigan Girl]

There are legal ways for immigrants to come into this country and work. It's the ones who come illegally and the ones who stay after their green cards have expired that are the problem. If they need the job, they can come here legally to earn the money they need and then either renew their visa's. apply for citizenship or go back where they came from. Instead many of them are having children with American citizens so the can jump on the welfare gravy train and stay indefinitely.

Like Dave said, illegal is illegal and if they're illegal they need to be gone.

Describes my feelings beautifully ...