Styx to perform entire classic album live?

[Everett]

This entire video, Dennis is just SO dorky. I can't watch it and not be embarrassed for him.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0iKNVT3z6g


And the encore-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVilH8Djb7o&feature=related
6:26
oh, man....


Now, compare that Dennis to the one in that Come Sail Away video or the Borrowed Time video (which doesn't seem to be out there...)

Is it possible that Dennis was secretly replaced after 1979 with a RoboDork? maybe that's what Mr. Roboto is REALLY about. Holy Crap! The clues are all there!!!!

Uh oh you said a bad thing about dennis. You're gonna get it

[Toph]

Interesting thread.

My take on each

Grand Illusion - Sales-wise this or Paradise were their two biggest albums. It keeps with the current version's manipulation of the past that Styx bascially ended in 1978. Downside - between touring Styx and DDY solo, we've heard most of the songs live - only thing technically never performed is Superstars.

Pieces of Eight - Makes the most sense as DDY doesn't have any hits off this album and it is not as associated with him as the others. It also passes the "we didn't do anything good after 1978 theme. Gowan might be able to pull off I'm Okay, Queen of Spades, and Pieces of Eight (the person that said Pieces has never been performed is flat out wrong - Dennis performs it a lot on his solo tour). They've played most on that album except for LOTR so not a whole lot new here.

Cornerstone - They couldn't pull it off. It would be kind of cool though because the only songs off that album that have been performed live are Babe, Boat, BT, and occasionally Lights. Lots of material that has never been performed. Why Me, Never Say Never, Love IN the Midnight, Eddie, First Time. Downside - its a Dennis dominated album - he wrote/sang all the hits sans Boat. Do they want to be promoting an album that is so Dennis heavy?

Paradise - The other classic Styx album besides Grand Illusion. Would love to hear this performed all the way through. Would love to hear NEGAP, Lonely People, Half Penny, and heck even She Cares. Lots that has never seen the light of day live. But again, this is Dennis's album. Are you really going to put Gowan out there for AD 1928/RTP, NEGAP, BOT, LP, and AD 1958 (and closing out the show?)?. Dennis is leading the charge for well over 50% of the album and opens and closes it out. Although TS has his single with TMTOMH and JY has Snowblind, I'm not sure that they would do the album justice sinse it is so Dennis influenced.

I have a better idea - reunite with Dennis and pull a few of these off and at the same time get A&M to re-released them in a remastered version.

[Toph]

This entire video, Dennis is just SO dorky. I can't watch it and not be embarrassed for him.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0iKNVT3z6g


And the encore-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVilH8Djb7o&feature=related
6:26
oh, man....


Now, compare that Dennis to the one in that Come Sail Away video or the Borrowed Time video (which doesn't seem to be out there...)

Is it possible that Dennis was secretly replaced after 1979 with a RoboDork? maybe that's what Mr. Roboto is REALLY about. Holy Crap! The clues are all there!!!!

Hey moron, did you ever think that his schtick may be appealing to some folks who understand its a schtick...?

[brywool]

This entire video, Dennis is just SO dorky. I can't watch it and not be embarrassed for him.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0iKNVT3z6g


And the encore-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVilH8Djb7o&feature=related
6:26
oh, man....


Now, compare that Dennis to the one in that Come Sail Away video or the Borrowed Time video (which doesn't seem to be out there...)

Is it possible that Dennis was secretly replaced after 1979 with a RoboDork? maybe that's what Mr. Roboto is REALLY about. Holy Crap! The clues are all there!!!!

Hey moron, did you ever think that his schtick may be appealing to some folks who understand its a schtick...?

Loaf-
"Understand" twirls that are executed by what looks to be a drunken contestant in a "Mad About You" look alike contest? I understand it and Dennis does NOT look great doing those moves. Same with the air guitar deal that he still does. He used to have a VERY cool stage persona, and somewhere, that changed. The Grand Illusion tours through the Paradise Theatre tours, he had great stage presence. Sometime after that, he changed his presentation style and it became VERY corny and very UN ROCK. Funny, just like a lot of his music 'round the same time.

By the way, not sure what kind of homo-erotic fantasies you attach to Dennis, but I admire the guy's talent, voice, and playing. He's a great artist, great writer. You need not feel threatened each time someone hurls a barb at aspects of your hero/heart throb. If I wasn't a Styx/Dennis fan, I wouldn't be here.

BUT--- in those videos, he looks like Pottsy trying to be The Fonz.
Relax, it's okay to have differing "understanding"...

Now, put the lotion, Kleenex and Dennis's latest album cover away for a bit and go out and enjoy the sunshine.

Relax. Take it Easy.

By the way, WHY ME was performed live. Saw it in Seattle in 79.

[Michigan Girl]

LMAO ...I never knew you were so funny!!
...Pottsie trying to be The Fonz ...good stuff!!

[brywool]

If you think about it, playing an entire album, front to back, is something that will really only appeal to the Styx Hardcore. What "Casual Fan" is going to sit through "Lords of the Ring", "Eddie", and "Aku Aku" (to name a few).
I remember a few years ago when Journey did their 30th Anniversary Show and pulled out REALLY REALLY obscure stuff from their pre-Perry albums. They were Booed. Lame audiences!


Cheap Trick did that years ago where they came out and played all of Heaven Tonight, Dream Police, etc. but on different nights. It was very cool. THEIR audiences LOVED it.


Styx, if you wanna REALLY appeal to the hardcore fans and do something different- let's hear some live stuff from the Wooden Nickel albums. THAT would be very cool and something that is just so out of the ordinary that it'd be really interesting. Make it a series of nights in Chicago (where those tracks are more known), add some later and brand new stuff, then release a DVD of the shows.


With the Wooden Nickel stuff, nobody's heard that stuff live before so it'd be very cool. The problem with it that I see is that those are HEAVY JY vocal tracks and unfortunately, JY is not the best singer. I couldn't sit through a set of him singing those tracks. Maybe split it between Tommy, JY, and Gowan.

Maybe it'd be a cool project for the JY Group though...

[StyxCollector]

If you think about it, playing an entire album, front to back, is something that will really only appeal to the Styx Hardcore. What "Casual Fan" is going to sit through "Lords of the Ring", "Eddie", and "Aku Aku" (to name a few).
I remember a few years ago when Journey did their 30th Anniversary Show and pulled out REALLY REALLY obscure stuff from their pre-Perry albums. They were Booed. Lame audiences!

That was the best part of the show for me at those gigs.

Cheap Trick did that years ago where they came out and played all of Heaven Tonight, Dream Police, etc. but on different nights. It was very cool. THEIR audiences LOVED it.

CT also did smaller venues - like clubs. Styx is looking to most likely do sheds or mid-size halls. Way different.

The reason Steely Dan and Rush can get away with is is they have a larger fanbase and enough casual fans who will see it. I mean, if you know Rush, you practically know every tune on Moving Pictures. Aja? Come on. Huge, huge album. Granted, Styx had multi-platinum success between 77 and 83, but not Aja big. That album is considered an all time classic.

Styx, if you wanna REALLY appeal to the hardcore fans and do something different- let's hear some live stuff from the Wooden Nickel albums. THAT would be very cool and something that is just so out of the ordinary that it'd be really interesting. Make it a series of nights in Chicago (where those tracks are more known), add some later and brand new stuff, then release a DVD of the shows.

With the Wooden Nickel stuff, nobody's heard that stuff live before so it'd be very cool. The problem with it that I see is that those are HEAVY JY vocal tracks and unfortunately, JY is not the best singer. I couldn't sit through a set of him singing those tracks. Maybe split it between Tommy, JY, and Gowan.

Quick Is the Beat of My Heart, eh?

Look, you're not saying anything a lot of us haven't over the years. They won't do it. I'm still surprised they didn't trot out some of the WN material in the past 10 years. I'm not saying do a lot of it, but without Dennis they still have a rich back catalog they are not mining for more gold. I understand why, though.

It really is a tough situation. Neither camp can truly look completely forward; they always have to look back.

[brywool]

Neither camp can truly look completely forward; they always have to look back.

They don't HAVE to.

Look at a guy like Rick Springfield. The guy changed himself and got a much harder edge over the past few years. I think that now, he's playing roughly the same size venues Styx is (casinos, etc.) and doing well at it. One thing that Rick's doing that Styx is not and that's standing by his newer stuff. He promotes the crap out of it and it's GREAT. His last two original studio albums were two excellent albums. How can he do that while Styx cannot? Could that JUST be the soccer mom, over-active bladder, wet-panty crowd? Maybe, but Styx really needs to do new tunes.

Styx has done a LOT of touring these past years (since 96). They've played all over the country and, for most of those years, they've played a catalog that's at least 25 years old. You would think that audiences would WANT to hear new Styx music or they'd quit coming to the shows. As everyone says "how many times can you hear Blue Collar Man and get a rush off it?". I can't believe they aren't all ready to blow their brains out if they have to play some of those songs one more time.

One thing about Rush is that they never went for "The Hit Single". They built their fans by tour tour tour and album cut after album cut. Styx has done that as well, but they hurt themselves by going after hit singles.

Styx needs to hook up with a newer producer and management and reinvent themselves. Dennis does as well.

[SuiteMadameBlue]

Neither camp can truly look completely forward; they always have to look back.

They don't HAVE to.

Look at a guy like Rick Springfield. The guy changed himself and got a much harder edge over the past few years. I think that now, he's playing roughly the same size venues Styx is (casinos, etc.) and doing well at it. One thing that Rick's doing that Styx is not and that's standing by his newer stuff. He promotes the crap out of it and it's GREAT. His last two original studio albums were two excellent albums. How can he do that while Styx cannot? Could that JUST be the soccer mom, over-active bladder, wet-panty crowd? Maybe, but Styx really needs to do new tunes.

Styx has done a LOT of touring these past years (since 96). They've played all over the country and, for most of those years, they've played a catalog that's at least 25 years old. You would think that audiences would WANT to hear new Styx music or they'd quit coming to the shows. As everyone says "how many times can you hear Blue Collar Man and get a rush off it?". I can't believe they aren't all ready to blow their brains out if they have to play some of those songs one more time.

One thing about Rush is that they never went for "The Hit Single". They built their fans by tour tour tour and album cut after album cut. Styx has done that as well, but they hurt themselves by going after hit singles.

Styx needs to hook up with a newer producer and management and reinvent themselves. Dennis does as well.

Rick Springfield sold out his 4 shows here in Milwaukee like he does every year. Each night he did something different.

Night 1: High Energy Electric Set!
Night 2: All Request Night! ½ Acoustic and ½ Electric!
Night 3: Working Class Dog Album in its entirety!
Night 4: A Full Electric Set (Completely different from night one!)

[brywool]

Neither camp can truly look completely forward; they always have to look back.

They don't HAVE to.

Look at a guy like Rick Springfield. The guy changed himself and got a much harder edge over the past few years. I think that now, he's playing roughly the same size venues Styx is (casinos, etc.) and doing well at it. One thing that Rick's doing that Styx is not and that's standing by his newer stuff. He promotes the crap out of it and it's GREAT. His last two original studio albums were two excellent albums. How can he do that while Styx cannot? Could that JUST be the soccer mom, over-active bladder, wet-panty crowd? Maybe, but Styx really needs to do new tunes.

Styx has done a LOT of touring these past years (since 96). They've played all over the country and, for most of those years, they've played a catalog that's at least 25 years old. You would think that audiences would WANT to hear new Styx music or they'd quit coming to the shows. As everyone says "how many times can you hear Blue Collar Man and get a rush off it?". I can't believe they aren't all ready to blow their brains out if they have to play some of those songs one more time.

One thing about Rush is that they never went for "The Hit Single". They built their fans by tour tour tour and album cut after album cut. Styx has done that as well, but they hurt themselves by going after hit singles.

Styx needs to hook up with a newer producer and management and reinvent themselves. Dennis does as well.

Rick Springfield sold out his 4 shows here in Milwaukee like he does every year. Each night he did something different.

Night 1: High Energy Electric Set!
Night 2: All Request Night! ½ Acoustic and ½ Electric!
Night 3: Working Class Dog Album in its entirety!
Night 4: A Full Electric Set (Completely different from night one!)

WOW. THAT is using your head.

[StyxCollector]

WOW. THAT is using your head.

If you think about it, Dennis HAS done that. Song selection aside (which he has vaired a bit in the past 10 years), he's got the rock show, the acoustic one, and the occasional orchestra date. It's never just been a rock show. Now, he's not doing it on successive nights in the same city. But in theory he could. The simple fact is he just doesn't want to be on the road constantly, so in comparison to Styx, he may seem lazy or not motivated. I don't agree with that at all.

[jrnyman28]

Neither camp can truly look completely forward; they always have to look back.

They don't HAVE to.

Look at a guy like Rick Springfield. The guy changed himself and got a much harder edge over the past few years. I think that now, he's playing roughly the same size venues Styx is (casinos, etc.) and doing well at it. One thing that Rick's doing that Styx is not and that's standing by his newer stuff. He promotes the crap out of it and it's GREAT. His last two original studio albums were two excellent albums. How can he do that while Styx cannot? Could that JUST be the soccer mom, over-active bladder, wet-panty crowd? Maybe, but Styx really needs to do new tunes.

Styx has done a LOT of touring these past years (since 96). They've played all over the country and, for most of those years, they've played a catalog that's at least 25 years old. You would think that audiences would WANT to hear new Styx music or they'd quit coming to the shows. As everyone says "how many times can you hear Blue Collar Man and get a rush off it?". I can't believe they aren't all ready to blow their brains out if they have to play some of those songs one more time.

One thing about Rush is that they never went for "The Hit Single". They built their fans by tour tour tour and album cut after album cut. Styx has done that as well, but they hurt themselves by going after hit singles.

Styx needs to hook up with a newer producer and management and reinvent themselves. Dennis does as well.

Same problem Journey has. They stuck with the fan favorites for so long, trying to hold onto or pull in every casual fan they could. But doing so put them in a rut. And fearful of losing those casual fans meant sticking with it. Now it is almost impossible to break out of that. The Generations Tour was a godsend for die-hard fans but, as mentioned earlier, the band was booed for the opening set.

If an artist sticks with his fans and pleases his fans, instead of catering to those casual fans that only know the hits and are looking for nostalgia, than the artist can continue to grow and adapt. His fans will come with him.

[froy]

BRYwood

By the way, WHY ME was performed live. Saw it in Seattle in 79.

Did you get the sax guy like we did in Chicago?
I think it was 80 not 79
BTW JY is sure been quiet lately

[brywool]

BRYwood

By the way, WHY ME was performed live. Saw it in Seattle in 79.

Did you get the sax guy like we did in Chicago?
I think it was 80 mot 79
BTW JY is sure been quiet lately

I think it WAS 80. It was the Cornerstone tour and the "don't look now, but here come the 80s" skewed my recollection.
Yeah, sax guy. Always liked "Why Me". Like the ascending guitar part in the chorus.

Re: JY- what's he supposed to say "Well, we're out here on the road again, doing the same old thing"?

Not sure what I'm expecting them to do other than new music, which I really want out of them.

[brywool]

WOW. THAT is using your head.

If you think about it, Dennis HAS done that. Song selection aside (which he has vaired a bit in the past 10 years), he's got the rock show, the acoustic one, and the occasional orchestra date. It's never just been a rock show. Now, he's not doing it on successive nights in the same city. But in theory he could. The simple fact is he just doesn't want to be on the road constantly, so in comparison to Styx, he may seem lazy or not motivated. I don't agree with that at all.

true.

[StyxCollector]

Same problem Journey has. They stuck with the fan favorites for so long, trying to hold onto or pull in every casual fan they could. But doing so put them in a rut. And fearful of losing those casual fans meant sticking with it. Now it is almost impossible to break out of that. The Generations Tour was a godsend for die-hard fans but, as mentioned earlier, the band was booed for the opening set.

If an artist sticks with his fans and pleases his fans, instead of catering to those casual fans that only know the hits and are looking for nostalgia, than the artist can continue to grow and adapt. His fans will come with him.

ALL of these "legacy" bands have the problem INCLUDING Rush. When they did like 5 songs in a row from S&A on the last tour, it was bathroom break/beer run central for most. The second "Subdivisions" kicked back in, it was all hands on deck. Rush does 3 hours so they can mix old and new with relative impunity, but any band that has "hits" or "known songs" and a long history has that struggle of please ourselves or our fans. There is a way to do both. Rush is close, but go hang out over at the Counterparts board. There are just as many who don't want to hear songs like "Tom Sawyer". They would be the extreme minority. That would be like Journey not doing "Don't Stop Believin'" or Styx/Dennis avoiding "Come Sail Away" - it's not going to happen.

[StyxCollector]

WOW. THAT is using your head.

If you think about it, Dennis HAS done that. Song selection aside (which he has vaired a bit in the past 10 years), he's got the rock show, the acoustic one, and the occasional orchestra date. It's never just been a rock show. Now, he's not doing it on successive nights in the same city. But in theory he could. The simple fact is he just doesn't want to be on the road constantly, so in comparison to Styx, he may seem lazy or not motivated. I don't agree with that at all.

true.

More to the point, Dennis needed to be dragged into doing a rock show by Tim. So he almost has gone at it in reverse. The beginning was almost, if not all, orchestral shows. He catered to fans for quite awhile ("Black Wall", "Castle Walls", "Pieces of Eight", some of his Broadway stuff, "First Time" a couple of times, "Borrowed Time", "Best Thing" at the Lost Treasures show - that was awesome live, he did a few off of 100 Years, etc.).

We've gotten some medleys from Styx, and as of late, they've mixed it up (some more JY stuff, etc.). They mixed it up early on, too. They promoted BNW and Cyclorama pretty heavily.

So I'd say we've had good variation from BOTH camps despite the fact we bitch a lot because we've all seen them quite a bit.

[Babyblue]

remember what i said months ago?????? idiots

If you would please refresh as i am not sure what you said????????????????



"Styx Rocks"

I just got there 2001
Styx Live & it rocks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh & by the way "Gowan Rocks"

[froy]

"Babyblue"


Oh & by the way "Gowan has Rocks in his head" :

[Babyblue]

"Babyblue"


Oh & by the way "Gowan has Rocks in his head" :

Not so!!!!!

[Toph]

This entire video, Dennis is just SO dorky. I can't watch it and not be embarrassed for him.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0iKNVT3z6g


And the encore-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVilH8Djb7o&feature=related
6:26
oh, man....


Now, compare that Dennis to the one in that Come Sail Away video or the Borrowed Time video (which doesn't seem to be out there...)

Is it possible that Dennis was secretly replaced after 1979 with a RoboDork? maybe that's what Mr. Roboto is REALLY about. Holy Crap! The clues are all there!!!!

Hey moron, did you ever think that his schtick may be appealing to some folks who understand its a schtick...?

Loaf-
"Understand" twirls that are executed by what looks to be a drunken contestant in a "Mad About You" look alike contest? I understand it and Dennis does NOT look great doing those moves. Same with the air guitar deal that he still does. He used to have a VERY cool stage persona, and somewhere, that changed. The Grand Illusion tours through the Paradise Theatre tours, he had great stage presence. Sometime after that, he changed his presentation style and it became VERY corny and very UN ROCK. Funny, just like a lot of his music 'round the same time.

By the way, not sure what kind of homo-erotic fantasies you attach to Dennis, but I admire the guy's talent, voice, and playing. He's a great artist, great writer. You need not feel threatened each time someone hurls a barb at aspects of your hero/heart throb. If I wasn't a Styx/Dennis fan, I wouldn't be here.

BUT--- in those videos, he looks like Pottsy trying to be The Fonz.
Relax, it's okay to have differing "understanding"...

Now, put the lotion, Kleenex and Dennis's latest album cover away for a bit and go out and enjoy the sunshine.

Relax. Take it Easy.

By the way, WHY ME was performed live. Saw it in Seattle in 79.

Wow. What a thoroughly insightful well thought out post. Clearly Bry, many of us have misjudged you. I thought that chickenshit/nightbull had the medal won on immature postings. But alas, you are giving him quite a run for his money. The fact that you saw Cornerstone tour means you are at least 50. Quite an accomplish at that age to put out such drivel. Well done!

[styxfanNH]

remember what i said months ago?????? idiots

Which idiotic thing are you refering to?

[yogi]

For half of Rick Springfield lastes concert he was reading spoken word from his General Hospital days auditions.

He sang Jesse's Girl & State Of The Heart in full hospital scrubs then intoduced Luke and Laura.

[Mr JY Roboto]

What about edge?

Since Tommy, Ricky, Todd, nor LG was in the band at that time, it would be the perfect setup.

Have LG do Glen's songs, Tommy do Dennis's songs and Jy do his own. Or you could release Ricky's inner beast and let him do Glen's songs.

OMG no. Are you kidding me? Why do one of the worst albums they have ever done.

[SuiteMadameBlue]

BRYwood

By the way, WHY ME was performed live. Saw it in Seattle in 79.

Did you get the sax guy like we did in Chicago?
I think it was 80 not 79
BTW JY is sure been quiet lately

I wish I could've seen that show!

The sax guy Steve Eisen was here last year with Jim Peterik and his World Stage show. My friend and I talked to him about recording the Cornerstone album, very nice guy.

[froy]

BRYwood

By the way, WHY ME was performed live. Saw it in Seattle in 79.

Did you get the sax guy like we did in Chicago?
I think it was 80 not 79
BTW JY is sure been quiet lately

I wish I could've seen that show!

The sax guy Steve Eisen was here last year with Jim Peterik and his World Stage show. My friend and I talked to him about recording the Cornerstone album, very nice guy.

I have pictures from that show

Lights, Why Me, Eddie, Babe , It was a great show Dennis wore a cubs uniform number 3 for the manager
Herman Franks , All that was missing was Love In The Midnight

[brywool]

This entire video, Dennis is just SO dorky. I can't watch it and not be embarrassed for him.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0iKNVT3z6g


And the encore-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVilH8Djb7o&feature=related
6:26
oh, man....


Now, compare that Dennis to the one in that Come Sail Away video or the Borrowed Time video (which doesn't seem to be out there...)

Is it possible that Dennis was secretly replaced after 1979 with a RoboDork? maybe that's what Mr. Roboto is REALLY about. Holy Crap! The clues are all there!!!!

Hey moron, did you ever think that his schtick may be appealing to some folks who understand its a schtick...?

Loaf-
"Understand" twirls that are executed by what looks to be a drunken contestant in a "Mad About You" look alike contest? I understand it and Dennis does NOT look great doing those moves. Same with the air guitar deal that he still does. He used to have a VERY cool stage persona, and somewhere, that changed. The Grand Illusion tours through the Paradise Theatre tours, he had great stage presence. Sometime after that, he changed his presentation style and it became VERY corny and very UN ROCK. Funny, just like a lot of his music 'round the same time.

By the way, not sure what kind of homo-erotic fantasies you attach to Dennis, but I admire the guy's talent, voice, and playing. He's a great artist, great writer. You need not feel threatened each time someone hurls a barb at aspects of your hero/heart throb. If I wasn't a Styx/Dennis fan, I wouldn't be here.

BUT--- in those videos, he looks like Pottsy trying to be The Fonz.
Relax, it's okay to have differing "understanding"...

Now, put the lotion, Kleenex and Dennis's latest album cover away for a bit and go out and enjoy the sunshine.

Relax. Take it Easy.

By the way, WHY ME was performed live. Saw it in Seattle in 79.

Wow. What a thoroughly insightful well thought out post. Clearly Bry, many of us have misjudged you. I thought that chickenshit/nightbull had the medal won on immature postings. But alas, you are giving him quite a run for his money. The fact that you saw Cornerstone tour means you are at least 50. Quite an accomplish at that age to put out such drivel. Well done!

Nope not 50, but I am surprised at your math skills. As for immature, I'm not the one that gets personal and starts slinging "moron" around because I don't agree with someone else's opinion. What I said had nothing to do with you personally, so for you go get so bent out of shape is a bit weird, to say the least.
You deserved the retaliatory post. You wanna keep going? Fine with me.

[Everett]

bry toph calls everyone a moron and accuses them of having multiple accounts if they bad mouth dennis

[Monker]

remember what i said months ago?????? idiots

Dude, I don't think people remember what you said five minutes ago...and I doubt anybody cares.

[Babyblue]

For half of Rick Springfield lastes concert he was reading spoken word from his General Hospital days auditions.

He sang Jesse's Girl & State Of The Heart in full hospital scrubs then intoduced Luke and Laura.

Yep Rick still has it