Styx to perform entire classic album live?

[chickenbeef]

jy's voice is FAR better than it used to be

Thanks for the laugh. Out of the big "three" in that band, his voice has not fared as well. Listen to the live stuff now vs. even 10 or 20 years ago. Not that JY was ever the best singer, but his voice is not what it used to be at all. His upper range in the falsetto sounds not very good. When I saw him do "Midnight Ride" a few years back, it was musically fine, but didn't have the power or quality of the vocal as it should.

Actually, Jy gets a bum wrap. His LEAD voice, live, isn't great. It's like he tries way too hard or something. His harmony voice is a HUGE part of the Styx sound. So much that on Dennis' latest album, there are a few songs where someone is singing the note that JY would usually get in the harmony assignments if it was a Styx record, and he sounds VERY much like JY. I'm not sure why JY uses that weird Cowardly Lion voice in songs like "Snowblind" and "Double Life". He REALLY needs to drop the over use of his vibrato on those types of songs. But his harmony voice is seriously high. I think in Midnight Ride, if you're talking about the higher notes in the verses, yeah, he kind of jumps to his falsetto unnecessarily, so it does come off as a bit whimpy. In the old days, he would've just gone for it. On his harmonies though, I haven't noticed much of a difference-- BUT I haven't seen them live in a few years either, so I'm going off of youtubes mostly.

yeah go by cell phone videos. real smart there

[StyxCollector]

Actually, Jy gets a bum wrap. His LEAD voice, live, isn't great. It's like he tries way too hard or something. His harmony voice is a HUGE part of the Styx sound. So much that on Dennis' latest album, there are a few songs where someone is singing the note that JY would usually get in the harmony assignments if it was a Styx record, and he sounds VERY much like JY. I'm not sure why JY uses that weird Cowardly Lion voice in songs like "Snowblind" and "Double Life". He REALLY needs to drop the over use of his vibrato on those types of songs. But his harmony voice is seriously high. I think in Midnight Ride, if you're talking about the higher notes in the verses, yeah, he kind of jumps to his falsetto unnecessarily, so it does come off as a bit whimpy. In the old days, he would've just gone for it. On his harmonies though, I haven't noticed much of a difference-- BUT I haven't seen them live in a few years either, so I'm going off of youtubes mostly.

You hit the nail on the head. It's not his harmonies - they blend in fine in context. It's his lead voice. Complain about Dennis' voice all you want (and I know people have because it "went Broadway" to some), JY's has changed as well. Tommy's has, too, but not to the degree of JY. I've seen Tommy not reach for some notes at a show (the one I saw outside of San Diego a few years back) for whatever reason, but in hindsight, it was just not his finest show. I think his voice, like Dennis', has fared very well.

[Toph]

Actually, Jy gets a bum wrap. His LEAD voice, live, isn't great. It's like he tries way too hard or something. His harmony voice is a HUGE part of the Styx sound. So much that on Dennis' latest album, there are a few songs where someone is singing the note that JY would usually get in the harmony assignments if it was a Styx record, and he sounds VERY much like JY. I'm not sure why JY uses that weird Cowardly Lion voice in songs like "Snowblind" and "Double Life". He REALLY needs to drop the over use of his vibrato on those types of songs. But his harmony voice is seriously high. I think in Midnight Ride, if you're talking about the higher notes in the verses, yeah, he kind of jumps to his falsetto unnecessarily, so it does come off as a bit whimpy. In the old days, he would've just gone for it. On his harmonies though, I haven't noticed much of a difference-- BUT I haven't seen them live in a few years either, so I'm going off of youtubes mostly.

You hit the nail on the head. It's not his harmonies - they blend in fine in context. It's his lead voice. Complain about Dennis' voice all you want (and I know people have because it "went Broadway" to some), JY's has changed as well. Tommy's has, too, but not to the degree of JY. I've seen Tommy not reach for some notes at a show (the one I saw outside of San Diego a few years back) for whatever reason, but in hindsight, it was just not his finest show. I think his voice, like Dennis', has fared very well.

I always thought JY's lead voice was stronger when he went lower (like on HMP and Double Life - 2 of his better vocal performances IMO) vs. going high and putting that strained/screaming effect in. He's got a stronger lower voice and should use that more. The first verse of Miss America is also good. But listen to Miss America live - especially today (and go listen to it on Return to Paradise)..awful!

[StyxCollector]

jy's voice is FAR better than it used to be

Thanks for the laugh. Out of the big "three" in that band, his voice has not fared as well. Listen to the live stuff now vs. even 10 or 20 years ago. Not that JY was ever the best singer, but his voice is not what it used to be at all. His upper range in the falsetto sounds not very good. When I saw him do "Midnight Ride" a few years back, it was musically fine, but didn't have the power or quality of the vocal as it should.

unfortunately, like 99% of people on this forum you haven't got a clue

Really? StyxCollector doesn't have a clue? Of ALL the people on this forum that post, StyxCollector knows more about this band musically. Well, except for the band members that lurk on here

I'd add Zan as well because she's a singer (besides a fan). She has a big clue as well (and yes, that's a genuine compliment).

Look, I don't need to kiss anyone's ass. I'll speak my opinion and if a band member past or present doesn't like it, so be it. I've criticized pretty much everyone for one thing or another. Let's just say there has been the odd occasion or two over the years where I will hear from someone if I don't always say flattering things. Some have been good natured. Others, not so much.

Is anyone naive enough to think they don't look here, even if it's only from time to time? Tommy was really the most internet savvy one going back to the early Paradse Theater (original Styx site before styxworld for all you kiddies) days and before that, on AOL if memory serves me correctly.

[StyxCollector]

probably 30-35 times

If you've seen them that many times AND haven't heard the changes in his voice, you're deaf. Maybe it's improved because you're deaf

[StyxCollector]

I always thought JY's lead voice was stronger when he went lower (like on HMP and Double Life - 2 of his better vocal performances IMO) vs. going high and putting that strained/screaming effect in. He's got a stronger lower voice and should use that more. The first verse of Miss America is also good. But listen to Miss America live - especially today (and go listen to it on Return to Paradise)..awful!

I will always maintain KWH has some of JY's best vocal performances.

[yogi]

[quote="StyxCollector"][quote="SuiteMadameBlue"][quote="chickenbeef"][quote="StyxCollector"][quote="chickenbeef"]jy's voice is FAR better than it used to be[/quote]

Thanks for the laugh. Out of the big "three" in that band, his voice has not fared as well. Listen to the live stuff now vs. even 10 or 20 years ago. Not that JY was ever the best singer, but his voice is not what it used to be at all. His upper range in the falsetto sounds not very good. When I saw him do "Midnight Ride" a few years back, it was musically fine, but didn't have the power or quality of the vocal as it should.[/quote]

unfortunately, like 99% of people on this forum you haven't got a clue[/quote]


Really? StyxCollector doesn't have a clue? Of ALL the people on this forum that post, StyxCollector knows more about this band musically. Well, except for the band members that lurk on here :wink:[/quote]

I'd add Zan as well because she's a singer (besides a fan). She has a big clue as well (and yes, that's a genuine compliment).

Look, I don't need to kiss anyone's ass. I'll speak my opinion and if a band member past or present doesn't like it, so be it. I've criticized pretty much everyone for one thing or another. Let's just say there has been the odd occasion or two over the years where I will hear from someone if I don't always say flattering things. Some have been good natured. Others, not so much.

Is anyone naive enough to think they don't look here, even if it's only from time to time? Tommy was really the most internet savvy one going back to the early Paradse Theater (original Styx site before styxworld for all you kiddies) days and before that, on AOL if memory serves me correctly.[/quote]




I vividly remember the old Paradise Theatre website. It was a great website. Once Dennis was ousted Styxworld came about.

My real problem with Styxworld was and still is that it came out about 8 months AFTER Spiceworld. How I think Styx choose the naming of Styxworld was that Tommy had just married his current wife( who had just graduated from high school) and she was a HUGE Spice Girl fan.

Was Styx & Tommy trying to hone in on the Spice Girls popularity at the time?? Only Tommy really knows the true answer.

What I do know is that Styx got alot of 'missed or mistaken' hits on their website because people were trying to log onto Posh, Scary, Baby, Sporty , Old & The rest of the gangs website.

How many little girls ended up with Golden Ticket seating at a Styx concert when they were thinking that they had gotten Golden Circle seating at a Spice Girl concert??

The bottom line to this post is that Styx ripped off the Spice Girls.

Ripping off Dennis for the Styx name is one thing but ripping off the Spice Girls is another.

What Tommy and Styx did to the Spice Girls is far far worse!!!

[chickenbeef]

jy's voice is FAR better than it used to be

Thanks for the laugh. Out of the big "three" in that band, his voice has not fared as well. Listen to the live stuff now vs. even 10 or 20 years ago. Not that JY was ever the best singer, but his voice is not what it used to be at all. His upper range in the falsetto sounds not very good. When I saw him do "Midnight Ride" a few years back, it was musically fine, but didn't have the power or quality of the vocal as it should.

unfortunately, like 99% of people on this forum you haven't got a clue

Really? StyxCollector doesn't have a clue? Of ALL the people on this forum that post, StyxCollector knows more about this band musically. Well, except for the band members that lurk on here

I'd add Zan as well because she's a singer (besides a fan). She has a big clue as well (and yes, that's a genuine compliment).

Look, I don't need to kiss anyone's ass. I'll speak my opinion and if a band member past or present doesn't like it, so be it. I've criticized pretty much everyone for one thing or another. Let's just say there has been the odd occasion or two over the years where I will hear from someone if I don't always say flattering things. Some have been good natured. Others, not so much.

Is anyone naive enough to think they don't look here, even if it's only from time to time? Tommy was really the most internet savvy one going back to the early Paradse Theater (original Styx site before styxworld for all you kiddies) days and before that, on AOL if memory serves me correctly.

I vividly remember the old Paradise Theatre website. It was a great website. Once Dennis was ousted Styxworld came about.

My real problem with Styxworld was and still is that it came out about 8 months AFTER Spiceworld. How I think Styx choose the naming of Styxworld was that Tommy had just married his current wife( who had just graduated from high school) and she was a HUGE Spice Girl fan.

Was Styx & Tommy trying to hone in on the Spice Girls popularity at the time?? Only Tommy really knows the true answer.

What I do know is that Styx got alot of 'missed or mistaken' hits on their website because people were trying to log onto Posh, Scary, Baby, Sporty , Old & The rest of the Gang.

The bottom line to this post is that Styx ripped off the Spice Girls.

Ripping off Dennis for the Styx name is one thing but ripping off the Spice Girls is another.

What Tommy and Styx did to the Spice Girls is far far worse!!!

troll

[yogi]

You can laugh and call me a Troll but I had Golden Circle Seating to a Styx San Antonio show back in 2001. We sat next to two families with about 7 or 8 little girls all dressed up as Spice Girls. They had logged onto the wrong website purchased hundreds of dollars worth of the wrong tickets and will forever be traumatized by spinning keyboards and JY's singing of Miss America.

True Story!!!

[bugsymalone]

You can laugh and call me a Troll but I had Golden Circle Seating to a Styx San Antonio show back in 2001. We sat next to two families with about 7 or 8 little girls all dressed up as Spice Girls. They had logged onto the wrong website purchased hundreds of dollars worth of the wrong tickets and will forever be traumatized by spinning keyboards and JY's singing of Miss America.

True Story!!!

Not to mention that Baby had really, really long hair and had grown a goatee.


Bugsy

[chickenbeef]

You can laugh and call me a Troll but I had Golden Circle Seating to a Styx San Antonio show back in 2001. We sat next to two families with about 7 or 8 little girls all dressed up as Spice Girls. They had logged onto the wrong website purchased hundreds of dollars worth of the wrong tickets and will forever be traumatized by spinning keyboards and JY's singing of Miss America.

True Story!!!

excuse me but humour is not allowed on this forum. you should know that one

[brywool]

I always thought JY's lead voice was stronger when he went lower (like on HMP and Double Life - 2 of his better vocal performances IMO) vs. going high and putting that strained/screaming effect in. He's got a stronger lower voice and should use that more. The first verse of Miss America is also good. But listen to Miss America live - especially today (and go listen to it on Return to Paradise)..awful!

I will always maintain KWH has some of JY's best vocal performances.

You mean Double Life and HMP? Man, I just can't agree. The Cowardly Lion Vibrato was way too over the top on those for me. Though, on Heavy Water, it doesn't bug me as much. I'd have to go with his Pieces of 8, Equinox, and Grand Illusion stuff. Half Penny/Two Penny was also good. When JY found that low voice, I thought it just was terrible. Jeez, I even liked it on "You Need Love". That song fit him well. (Dennis would've been better on that, but still, I love that song.)

[chickenbeef]

1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlZZZBJkv7I

2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ak-4PUOAwjk


2 is at least 30x's better

[brywool]

Wait... so they're basically opening with Miss America? Yikes.

I don't notice much of a difference in JY's voice on these clips. In the later clip, it's that "over dramatic" deal that he does that ruins it for me. In both clips, he hits the notes fine. In the later clip, he's trying way too hard and it doesn't come off (my opinion). Listen to "In Your Cage..." on the new clip. Embarrassing.
Also, all that "Miss Ameri Miss Ameri Miss America" stuff just ruins the tune. JY- Just sing the song. You don't have the vocal chops to improv like you're trying to do.

Funny, Dennis always gets knocked for being over theatrical. JY is twice as dramatic as DeYoung, especially in the earlier clip. Too much poutin goin' on there JY.

One thing about Styx, they have great production. I have a friend that works on the lighting crew on their tours from time to time and the lighting on the later clip is really great.

Better Clip Here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ykpMLdq ... re=related

[Rockwriter]

jy's voice is FAR better than it used to be

Thanks for the laugh. Out of the big "three" in that band, his voice has not fared as well. Listen to the live stuff now vs. even 10 or 20 years ago. Not that JY was ever the best singer, but his voice is not what it used to be at all. His upper range in the falsetto sounds not very good. When I saw him do "Midnight Ride" a few years back, it was musically fine, but didn't have the power or quality of the vocal as it should.

unfortunately, like 99% of people on this forum you haven't got a clue

Really? StyxCollector doesn't have a clue? Of ALL the people on this forum that post, StyxCollector knows more about this band musically. Well, except for the band members that lurk on here

My question is just how do you know the band comes here??????????????????????
Becaues we all know they don't have the time to do so. .But like Mr Perry, has Lora & Cyndy I just bet you they have someone to do it for them.And they go to all the sites and keeps and eye on them.Just like Lora & Cyndy dose. JMO!!!!!!!!!!

Styx members DO come here. I have had some of them email me about things I have posted here.


Sterling

[StyxCollector]

Styx members DO come here. I have had some of them email me about things I have posted here.

As I said, I've gotten the "Hey ..." type e-mails over the years from a band member and/or management. Not very often, but it happens.

Guess I should be looking for some venom from JY after this thread! (Love ya, JY!)

[SuiteMadameBlue]

Styx members DO come here. I have had some of them email me about things I have posted here.

As I said, I've gotten the "Hey ..." type e-mails over the years from a band member and/or management. Not very often, but it happens.

Guess I should be looking for some venom from JY after this thread! (Love ya, JY!)

I've had my share of emails from band members/management/road crew over the years from my posts on here. Most of them positive.

[chickenbeef]

Wait... so they're basically opening with Miss America? Yikes.

I don't notice much of a difference in JY's voice on these clips. In the later clip, it's that "over dramatic" deal that he does that ruins it for me. In both clips, he hits the notes fine. In the later clip, he's trying way too hard and it doesn't come off (my opinion). Listen to "In Your Cage..." on the new clip. Embarrassing.
Also, all that "Miss Ameri Miss Ameri Miss America" stuff just ruins the tune. JY- Just sing the song. You don't have the vocal chops to improv like you're trying to do.

Funny, Dennis always gets knocked for being over theatrical. JY is twice as dramatic as DeYoung, especially in the earlier clip. Too much poutin goin' on there JY.

One thing about Styx, they have great production. I have a friend that works on the lighting crew on their tours from time to time and the lighting on the later clip is really great.

Better Clip Here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ykpMLdq ... re=related

you think jy is overly dramatic???? have you ever listened to Dennis be over dramatic???? have you heard first time???? those fucking vibratos and so far beyond gay facial expressions..jy is cool...dennis is a square

[chickenbeef]

Wait... so they're basically opening with Miss America? Yikes.

I don't notice much of a difference in JY's voice on these clips. In the later clip, it's that "over dramatic" deal that he does that ruins it for me. In both clips, he hits the notes fine. In the later clip, he's trying way too hard and it doesn't come off (my opinion). Listen to "In Your Cage..." on the new clip. Embarrassing.
Also, all that "Miss Ameri Miss Ameri Miss America" stuff just ruins the tune. JY- Just sing the song. You don't have the vocal chops to improv like you're trying to do.

Funny, Dennis always gets knocked for being over theatrical. JY is twice as dramatic as DeYoung, especially in the earlier clip. Too much poutin goin' on there JY.

One thing about Styx, they have great production. I have a friend that works on the lighting crew on their tours from time to time and the lighting on the later clip is really great.

Better Clip Here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ykpMLdq ... re=related

you think jy is overly dramatic???? have you ever listened to Dennis be over dramatic???? have you heard first time???? those fucking vibratos and so far beyond gay facial expressions..jy is cool...dennis is a square

but dennis is very talented i'm not saying he's not

[brywool]

Wait... so they're basically opening with Miss America? Yikes.

I don't notice much of a difference in JY's voice on these clips. In the later clip, it's that "over dramatic" deal that he does that ruins it for me. In both clips, he hits the notes fine. In the later clip, he's trying way too hard and it doesn't come off (my opinion). Listen to "In Your Cage..." on the new clip. Embarrassing.
Also, all that "Miss Ameri Miss Ameri Miss America" stuff just ruins the tune. JY- Just sing the song. You don't have the vocal chops to improv like you're trying to do.

Funny, Dennis always gets knocked for being over theatrical. JY is twice as dramatic as DeYoung, especially in the earlier clip. Too much poutin goin' on there JY.

One thing about Styx, they have great production. I have a friend that works on the lighting crew on their tours from time to time and the lighting on the later clip is really great.

Better Clip Here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ykpMLdq ... re=related

you think jy is overly dramatic???? have you ever listened to Dennis be over dramatic???? have you heard first time???? those fucking vibratos and so far beyond gay facial expressions..jy is cool...dennis is a square

but dennis is very talented i'm not saying he's not

Dennis IS square. And corny and ... Toupe'-ey.
But Jy is right up there. Not so much now as he was in 81 (thank god)

[chickenbeef]

Wait... so they're basically opening with Miss America? Yikes.

I don't notice much of a difference in JY's voice on these clips. In the later clip, it's that "over dramatic" deal that he does that ruins it for me. In both clips, he hits the notes fine. In the later clip, he's trying way too hard and it doesn't come off (my opinion). Listen to "In Your Cage..." on the new clip. Embarrassing.
Also, all that "Miss Ameri Miss Ameri Miss America" stuff just ruins the tune. JY- Just sing the song. You don't have the vocal chops to improv like you're trying to do.

Funny, Dennis always gets knocked for being over theatrical. JY is twice as dramatic as DeYoung, especially in the earlier clip. Too much poutin goin' on there JY.

One thing about Styx, they have great production. I have a friend that works on the lighting crew on their tours from time to time and the lighting on the later clip is really great.

Better Clip Here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ykpMLdq ... re=related

you think jy is overly dramatic???? have you ever listened to Dennis be over dramatic???? have you heard first time???? those fucking vibratos and so far beyond gay facial expressions..jy is cool...dennis is a square

but dennis is very talented i'm not saying he's not

Dennis IS square. And corny and ... Toupe'-ey.
But Jy is right up there. Not so much now as he was in 81 (thank god)

JY is a guitar hero

[brywool]

Wait... so they're basically opening with Miss America? Yikes.

I don't notice much of a difference in JY's voice on these clips. In the later clip, it's that "over dramatic" deal that he does that ruins it for me. In both clips, he hits the notes fine. In the later clip, he's trying way too hard and it doesn't come off (my opinion). Listen to "In Your Cage..." on the new clip. Embarrassing.
Also, all that "Miss Ameri Miss Ameri Miss America" stuff just ruins the tune. JY- Just sing the song. You don't have the vocal chops to improv like you're trying to do.

Funny, Dennis always gets knocked for being over theatrical. JY is twice as dramatic as DeYoung, especially in the earlier clip. Too much poutin goin' on there JY.

One thing about Styx, they have great production. I have a friend that works on the lighting crew on their tours from time to time and the lighting on the later clip is really great.

Better Clip Here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ykpMLdq ... re=related

you think jy is overly dramatic???? have you ever listened to Dennis be over dramatic???? have you heard first time???? those fucking vibratos and so far beyond gay facial expressions..jy is cool...dennis is a square

but dennis is very talented i'm not saying he's not

Dennis IS square. And corny and ... Toupe'-ey.
But Jy is right up there. Not so much now as he was in 81 (thank god)

JY is a guitar hero

Jy gets major Kudos if for nothing else than the guitar break in Renegade. THAT is a tough lick.

[Andrew]

remember what i said months ago?????? idiots

Dude, I don't think people remember what you said five minutes ago...and I doubt anybody cares.

i said they'll do p08 and GI in the fall..everyone said it'd never happen, just wait and then they must declare me all powerful

We don't have to wait. We have already declared you an ass...

get ready to eat your words/my shit

Last chance...

[kansas666]

jy's voice is FAR better than it used to be

I've got to disagree with you there.

Listen to any recent recordings of Put Me On from the Cyclomedley. Parts that he use to sing in full voice he now has to break into falsetto.

[brywool]

jy's voice is FAR better than it used to be

I've got to disagree with you there.

Listen to any recent recordings of Put Me On from the Cyclomedley. Parts that he use to sing in full voice he now has to break into falsetto.

I wonder if he does that just to save his voice because the band is performing so much.

Dang, why am I posting so much over here??

[Everett]

jy's voice is FAR better than it used to be

I've got to disagree with you there.

Listen to any recent recordings of Put Me On from the Cyclomedley. Parts that he use to sing in full voice he now has to break into falsetto.

I wonder if he does that just to save his voice because the band is performing so much.

Dang, why am I posting so much over here??

Cause journey isn't doing anything right now? Just a thought

[Archetype]

jy's voice is FAR better than it used to be

Thanks for the laugh. Out of the big "three" in that band, his voice has not fared as well. Listen to the live stuff now vs. even 10 or 20 years ago. Not that JY was ever the best singer, but his voice is not what it used to be at all. His upper range in the falsetto sounds not very good. When I saw him do "Midnight Ride" a few years back, it was musically fine, but didn't have the power or quality of the vocal as it should.

Actually, Jy gets a bum wrap. His LEAD voice, live, isn't great. It's like he tries way too hard or something. His harmony voice is a HUGE part of the Styx sound. So much that on Dennis' latest album, there are a few songs where someone is singing the note that JY would usually get in the harmony assignments if it was a Styx record, and he sounds VERY much like JY. I'm not sure why JY uses that weird Cowardly Lion voice in songs like "Snowblind" and "Double Life". He REALLY needs to drop the over use of his vibrato on those types of songs. But his harmony voice is seriously high. I think in Midnight Ride, if you're talking about the higher notes in the verses, yeah, he kind of jumps to his falsetto unnecessarily, so it does come off as a bit whimpy. In the old days, he would've just gone for it. On his harmonies though, I haven't noticed much of a difference-- BUT I haven't seen them live in a few years either, so I'm going off of youtubes mostly.

yeah go by cell phone videos. real smart there

I saw JY live on June 24th. His voice was worse than ever. I've seen Styx seven times now since 2003, and last Thursday was definitely his worst. Not to say it was awful, but it was definitely JY's weakest performance. Not bad enough to cringe, but bad enough to say "Wow, he isn't as good as he was before"

His guitar playing was fantastic though.

[brywool]

For the Classic album live, to get back on topic, they'll probably do the soundtrack to Flashdance!