JY confirms track list for 'Regeneration'

[brywool]

hmm, the 'fault' I find with it is that it just makes the band stagnant. Also, it's interesting to me that they could re-release tracks that were on A&M albums in a different version. I would think that A&M would get a cut of that. I guess if they can sell more albums at a table at their shows and the money goes into their pockets then that's what they have to do, but I just think it's a MAJOR sad state of affairs.

Basically, any new band that comes out might as well just perform old songs. I'm in a cover band, I guess that makes me an 'artist' by today's standards. It's lame.

[Rockwriter]

I agree with you bry but i still say this should've been a two disc set like journey had. One disc new stuff and the other with re recorded songs

Yeah, I said that before too- IF there was an entire NEW disc of tunes, I could see doing this. Especially if it was a stipulation by the record company. But a 7 song disc with one new song that they've already been giving away? I don't get it.

How come a band like Rush can put out new stuff all the time? They were not a HUGE radio band, at least not in the league of Styx.

What the heck has happened to the music business? It SUCKS. Classic Rock radio needs to wake up and start playing new stuff by classic artists. Otherwise, they have a finite lifespan.

Even Rush is putting out its next single as a download, and their records don't sell anymore much, either. They do better than Styx, but they have the same three core guys they've had forever and that's easier to market. Styx is in a different place than ANY of these bands. Even with KISS, Journey and Foreigner, although each has major member changes, they have replaced the singers with sound-alikes and they have continued to play their hits. Styx replaced its most recognizable singer with someone who sings very differently, and then chose to drop the majority of their biggest hits entirely. They've permanently alienated a big chunk of what used to be their fan base by doing that, while at the same time re-invigorating a slice that maybe didn't like those songs. So they have fewer marketing options. It's just the way it is. To get a Wal Mart exclusive they'd need to go in and re-record their biggest hits, more than likely, and that would include songs that they won't touch, and songs that would not be likely to come off well in this lineup because those songs don't suit the talents and interests of this group of musicians.

Classic Rock got killed by bringing in a bunch of suits to analyze numbers. They shrank the playlists, then shrank them more, then shrank them even more, to try and hone in on the songs that bring the most ad revenue. By doing that, they made it so repetitive that it started to die. But here are two hard truths: 1) The reason they don't want to play new songs by older artists is because listeners historically respond badly to that, and 2) The reason listeners respond badly to that is because most classic bands make new records that are simply nowhere near as good as the records that made their careers. Most of them don't DESERVE airplay. It's that simple. Look at Yes, whom I've always loved . . . if radio had played 'The Ladder' would it have done better? No, because 'The Ladder' is a shitty record. If radio had played Kansas' 'Somewhere To Elsewhere' would it have done better? I don't think so. Make a record that doesn't suck, and you'll have more people willing to buy it.

You also have to factor in that the audience for these bands is in its forties and fifties now, and most people that age are just not motivated to buy new records, even if they're great (which most of them aren't). So playing live becomes king, just like live is king for aging blues artists, or aging country artists, or aging artists of any stripe. They're lucky to have any career at all. Most careers last 5 years in the music business. Styx will celebrate its fortieth anniversary of its first record in two years and is still a money-making machine. Less than in the past, perhaps, but still a hell of a lot of cash.


Sterling

[Rockwriter]

hmm, the 'fault' I find with it is that it just makes the band stagnant. Also, it's interesting to me that they could re-release tracks that were on A&M albums in a different version. I would think that A&M would get a cut of that. I guess if they can sell more albums at a table at their shows and the money goes into their pockets then that's what they have to do, but I just think it's a MAJOR sad state of affairs.

Basically, any new band that comes out might as well just perform old songs. I'm in a cover band, I guess that makes me an 'artist' by today's standards. It's lame.

A&M paid for the recording of those old master tapes, so A&M owns the masters to those old versions. But the songwriters own the actual intellectual property of the songs; the chords, lyrics and melodies. If they re-record them (like they did with "Lady") on a master recording they paid for, they own it all and can do with it as they please.


Sterling

[brywool]

I agree with you bry but i still say this should've been a two disc set like journey had. One disc new stuff and the other with re recorded songs

Yeah, I said that before too- IF there was an entire NEW disc of tunes, I could see doing this. Especially if it was a stipulation by the record company. But a 7 song disc with one new song that they've already been giving away? I don't get it.

How come a band like Rush can put out new stuff all the time? They were not a HUGE radio band, at least not in the league of Styx.

What the heck has happened to the music business? It SUCKS. Classic Rock radio needs to wake up and start playing new stuff by classic artists. Otherwise, they have a finite lifespan.

Even Rush is putting out its next single as a download, and their records don't sell anymore much, either. They do better than Styx, but they have the same three core guys they've had forever and that's easier to market. Styx is in a different place than ANY of these bands. Even with KISS, Journey and Foreigner, although each has major member changes, they have replaced the singers with sound-alikes and they have continued to play their hits. Styx replaced its most recognizable singer with someone who sings very differently, and then chose to drop the majority of their biggest hits entirely. They've permanently alienated a big chunk of what used to be their fan base by doing that, while at the same time re-invigorating a slice that maybe didn't like those songs. So they have fewer marketing options. It's just the way it is. To get a Wal Mart exclusive they'd need to go in and re-record their biggest hits, more than likely, and that would include songs that they won't touch, and songs that would not be likely to come off well in this lineup because those songs don't suit the talents and interests of this group of musicians.

Classic Rock got killed by bringing in a bunch of suits to analyze numbers. They shrank the playlists, then shrank them more, then shrank them even more, to try and hone in on the songs that bring the most ad revenue. By doing that, they made it so repetitive that it started to die. But here are two hard truths: 1) The reason they don't want to play new songs by older artists is because listeners historically respond badly to that, and 2) The reason listeners respond badly to that is because most classic bands make new records that are simply nowhere near as good as the records that made their careers. Most of them don't DESERVE airplay. It's that simple. Look at Yes, whom I've always loved . . . if radio had played 'The Ladder' would it have done better? No, because 'The Ladder' is a shitty record. If radio had played Kansas' 'Somewhere To Elsewhere' would it have done better? I don't think so. Make a record that doesn't suck, and you'll have more people willing to buy it.

You also have to factor in that the audience for these bands is in its forties and fifties now, and most people that age are just not motivated to buy new records, even if they're great (which most of them aren't). So playing live becomes king, just like live is king for aging blues artists, or aging country artists, or aging artists of any stripe. They're lucky to have any career at all. Most careers last 5 years in the music business. Styx will celebrate its fortieth anniversary of its first record in two years and is still a money-making machine. Less than in the past, perhaps, but still a hell of a lot of cash.


Sterling

Maybe so. I found Cyclorama to be incredibly radio friendly and it updated Styx for sure. I also thought Revelation was a good record as was Loverboy and Cheap Trick's last album. Cheap Trick continues to make new music and I don't think they were as popular as Styx. Also, when you say Styx has alienated a large percentage of their fans, I don't believe that. As you said, most of those fans would be in their 40s and aren't buying anyway. So Styx is actually out there getting younger fans by doing all these shows.
It's definitely a difficult situation for a classic rock band to be in. One thing to remember, even in the "olden days" fans would hit the bathrooms when new tunes were played live. It's just the way it is. However, if a band doesn't keep playing new stuff, pretty soon, the old ones that keep coming to see the old stuff will quit coming. They can't just do the same thing over and over. Not just speaking of Styx here, but any band.

Could you just imagine going out there and playing "SONG X" for the 70 billionth time? It must be very hard to do that for guys like this.

[Archetype]

I bet a lot of die-hard Kansas or Foreigner fans will become Styx fans after seeing them live and buy this disc on their way out of the amphitheater this summer. It's entirely possible. The Main Event tour had this effect on me; I went to see Styx and bought a bunch of Journey merch after the show.

[Archetype]

confirmed in it the Grand Illusion and P08 tour in the fall.. I WIN!!! I KNOW EVERYTHING AND NOW YOU MUST ALL ADMIT IT!!!!!! YOU GUYS KNOW DICK!!!!

Um, No. Not confirmed. It simply stated that there are rumors of such an event. Apparently knowing dick means that you're right, because that article confirmed nothing.

[Boomchild]

This will be the first Studio Album that Styx ever recorded that I will not buy. I have no interest in someone else recording Dennis' songs.
Ill buy a new album with Gowen writing his own songs like on Cyclo, but I have no interest in him recording Dennis' songs. NONE.
That is just plain wrong.

they're styx's songs not dennis'

I think the point here is they are Dennis' songs that he wrote while being a member in Styx.

[Abitaman]

JY: “It would have been good if it had been completed before we got out on the road, but we didn’t quite get there for a variety of reasons..."

WHY would this have been good??? So the fans could hear the same songs over again?? WHAT ARE THESE GUYS THINKING? At least with Cyclo, though it didn't sell hugely, it sold more than this ever will. Once a band stops creating new stuff, you might as well retire. This is way disappointing to me as a Styx fan.

[EDIT]

Sorry to whine, just bums me out that guys this talented are doing nothing new.
I agree with Toph on this one.

I agree too.
I want new music, as in music just written by them, the current line up!!!!
But since theya re following this path they are on now...should have done more songs that what they did for this cd.

[froy]

Abitaman had a few drinks and said

But since theya re following this path they are on now...should have done more songs that what they did for this cd.

What's that?

[Abitaman]

Abitaman had a few drinks and said

But since theya re following this path they are on now...should have done more songs that what they did for this cd.

I looked down my pants and said-What's that?

How you doing Froy?

[epresley]

Ah damnit, I don't want to hear new versions of these songs, especially with Larry. Damn.

[yogi]

I have heard Foreigner's 'In Pieces' more than once on a today's type rock & pop station out of Shreveport.

Does Foreigner have a new hit?

[Everett]

So what do you guys think the price tag will be on this thing?

[ChicagoSTYX]

From STYXworld for anyone who has not seen this......


Details of forthcoming 'Regeneration - Volume 1' Announced
Posted by Styx Management on 25 May 2010

Tags: STYX Regeneration, Volume 1

STYX is putting the finishing touches on the soon-to-be-released "Regeneration, Volume 1". Produced by the band and their long-time studio/live sound engineer Gary Loizzo, "Regeneration, Volume 1" contains six rerecorded versions of STYX classics, and one brand new song, "Difference In the World" (which is also available as a free MP3 download via STYXworld.com). The six classic tracks are "Grand Illusion," "Fooling Yourself (The Angry Young Man)," "Lorelei," "Sing for the Day," "Crystal Ball" and "Come Sail Away."

In a recent interview with Doug Fox of the Daily Herald in Salt Lake City, UT, James "JY" Young said "We're in the ultimate, final-polishing stages of it." Look for the complete interview with Doug coming soon.

In addition to the CD, the band also plans to make "Regeneration, Volume 1" available on vinyl.

Additional information will be passed along as it becomes available. Keep an eye out for a sneak-peek of the album cover coming soon.

[G.I.Jim]

So what do you guys think the price tag will be on this thing?

$1.00 would be $1.00 too much.

[Archetype]

I hope they offer an autographed copy of it at the shows this summer like they did with Cyclorama.

[LtVanish]

Look at Yes, whom I've always loved . . . if radio had played 'The Ladder' would it have done better? No, because 'The Ladder' is a shitty record.

Wrong. The Ladder is an excellent record, actually one of my favorites from Yes, you need to get your ears checked.

[Everett]

So what do you guys think the price tag will be on this thing?

$1.00 would be $1.00 too much.

If it were your cd yes it would be

you asked for it jim

[chickenbeef]

Look at Yes, whom I've always loved . . . if radio had played 'The Ladder' would it have done better? No, because 'The Ladder' is a shitty record.

Wrong. The Ladder is an excellent record, actually one of my favorites from Yes, you need to get your ears checked.

it has nothing on tormato

[G.I.Jim]

So what do you guys think the price tag will be on this thing?

$1.00 would be $1.00 too much.

If it were your cd yes it would be

you asked for it jim

By the time my cd is released, the world will no longer use money. I'll release it for free for the betterment of mankind.

[yogi]

Is the song by Foreigner 'In Pieces' currently a hit?

I heard it again this morning on a top 40 type station out of Longview/Shreveport/ Marshall.

[Abitaman]

Is the song by Foreigner 'In Pieces' currently a hit?

I heard it again this morning on a top 40 type station out of Longview/Shreveport/ Marshall.

I don't know if I would call it a hit, but it is a new song off their current cd. I believe it was also on their last hits collection from last year or two. I ahve heard it on the radio as well, not not as often as you. But then again I only listen to radio once or twice a week.

[yogi]

I have NOT a clue but how does a song become a hit these days?

Is it based on downloads, number of tha a times 'popular' stations play that song per day/ week, station requests???

Back in the day you would purchase the 45 and at the end of the week the most 45's purchased would be your top 40.

I truly dont have a clue how it works now. Hell maybe I even had it wrong back then.

I do know that 'In Pieces' is getting some good play around here. I hope it blows that 'classic rock' lable out of the water for at least a short time.

[froy]

Look at Yes, whom I've always loved . . . if radio had played 'The Ladder' would it have done better? No, because 'The Ladder' is a shitty record.

Wrong. The Ladder is an excellent record, actually one of my favorites from Yes, you need to get your ears checked.

The Ladder is a great cd. Nine Voices, Homeworld solid cd
I will be playing that allot on my radio show that's for sure,

[chickenbeef]

Look at Yes, whom I've always loved . . . if radio had played 'The Ladder' would it have done better? No, because 'The Ladder' is a shitty record.

Wrong. The Ladder is an excellent record, actually one of my favorites from Yes, you need to get your ears checked.

The Ladder is a great cd. Nine Voices, Homeworld solid cd
I will be playing that allot on my radio show that's for sure,

you should get larry on your show...you'd probably shit your pants...better yet get jy and larry...you wouldn't even be able to get a word out of your throat

[froy]

Look at Yes, whom I've always loved . . . if radio had played 'The Ladder' would it have done better? No, because 'The Ladder' is a shitty record.

Wrong. The Ladder is an excellent record, actually one of my favorites from Yes, you need to get your ears checked.

The Ladder is a great cd. Nine Voices, Homeworld solid cd
I will be playing that allot on my radio show that's for sure,

you should get larry on your show...you'd probably shit your pants...better yet get jy and larry...you wouldn't even be able to get a word out of your throat

What are you like 15 years old? I would imagine you don't have much time left on this board,

[bugsymalone]

I have NOT a clue but how does a song become a hit these days?

Is it based on downloads, number of tha a times 'popular' stations play that song per day/ week, station requests???

Back in the day you would purchase the 45 and at the end of the week the most 45's purchased would be your top 40.

I truly dont have a clue how it works now. Hell maybe I even had it wrong back then.

I do know that 'In Pieces' is getting some good play around here. I hope it blows that 'classic rock' lable out of the water for at least a short time.

I read this awhile back, so I am not positive, but "hit" rankings for singles come from a combo of radio play, download and physical sales. I think this is how Billboard gets its rankings on singles. So, number of "spins" from stations that are counted does make a difference.

And we all know that singles charts are now quite fractured with country, pop, ac, hac, etc. etc. You can have a No. 1 on ac not not be terribly high on the pop charts, from what I understand. And I am not sure where classic rock fits in there.

Album rankings still come from Soundscan, but I believe downloads of entire albums count as well.

Bugsy

[chickenbeef]

Look at Yes, whom I've always loved . . . if radio had played 'The Ladder' would it have done better? No, because 'The Ladder' is a shitty record.

Wrong. The Ladder is an excellent record, actually one of my favorites from Yes, you need to get your ears checked.

The Ladder is a great cd. Nine Voices, Homeworld solid cd
I will be playing that allot on my radio show that's for sure,

you should get larry on your show...you'd probably shit your pants...better yet get jy and larry...you wouldn't even be able to get a word out of your throat

What are you like 15 years old? I would imagine you don't have much time left on this board,

what are you some mental case? I would imagine you cry yourself to sleep every night dreaming of babe and first time

[epresley]

I have NOT a clue but how does a song become a hit these days?

Is it based on downloads, number of tha a times 'popular' stations play that song per day/ week, station requests???

Back in the day you would purchase the 45 and at the end of the week the most 45's purchased would be your top 40.

I truly dont have a clue how it works now. Hell maybe I even had it wrong back then.

I do know that 'In Pieces' is getting some good play around here. I hope it blows that 'classic rock' lable out of the water for at least a short time.

Yogi, that new Foreigner is a damn fine disc. "In Pieces" is a great, great single in my book and Kelly Hansen is a phenominal vocalist.

[yogi]

I have never been a huge Foreigner fan, but I do like them and I really like their new song. What is wild is the first time I heard it I knew that it was them and they have a different lead singer.

I do need to get it.

Is it like the Journey CD Revelation where you have a new disc & a remade Greatest Hits disc?

I think I saw it once but didnt purchase it.