Dennis Setlist West Bend WI 7/24/10

[Monker]

40% of songs were Tommy's lead vocal. Interesting.

And, not even Desert Moon was played - NO solo songs now.

What math are you people doing? 4 (BCM, Renegade, TMTOMH, FY) out of 14 songs is 28.5%. Nearly 3/4 of the show is still Dennis' stuff.

Styx has a very similar ratio ... again, much ado about nothing.

CORRECTION:
http://www.setlist.fm/setlist/styx/2010 ... 402fa.html
Out of 12 songs, 5 are Dennis (GI, Lady, Lorelei, SMB, CSA) plus whatever parts of that medley. So Styx does a higher ratio of Dennis songs. Where's the similar outrage? (Yes, I'm just pointing out that this whole setlist thing is just ridiculous ...)

Don't say "people"...I didn't say anything about a percentage. Unless you are saying you count more then 0 solo songs...if you do, please point them out to me.

First of all...EXXXXCCCUUUUUSEE ME. I did miscount the total number of songs. My error. Typical over sensitive folks around here. For the record, I have supported DDY and the current line up of Styx. Would like them to one day reunite, but have enjoyed both over the last decade. Point was...it is a growing number. Interesting. Read into it what you want.

Regarding Loggins, no Keep the Fire? Always liked that song.

When its the basis of ypur entire post/point, then yes, it does make a big deal.

Geez, the point was the same as mine. When the time came to cut songs, he cut out HIS songs, not Tommy's.

[StyxCollector]

No it's not. If "The Music of Styx" were displayed in such a prominent way, it's very possible that Styx could sue him to make him stop.

This was all part of the lawsuit settlement on how Dennis could use the name Styx in the billing of his shows, and he's been doing it this way since at least 2003. No lawsuits necessary.

For example, check the front page here for his upcoming Erie concert:
http://www.celebrateerie.com/content/music
and the St. Joseph show:
http://www.trailswest.org/

There really is no ambiguity on how his shows have been billed in the past and are now.

EDIT: When Dennis first started doing this billing (the Music of Styx), there was a lot of discussion here about it.

[Toph]

40% of songs were Tommy's lead vocal. Interesting.

And, not even Desert Moon was played - NO solo songs now.

What math are you people doing? 4 (BCM, Renegade, TMTOMH, FY) out of 14 songs is 28.5%. Nearly 3/4 of the show is still Dennis' stuff.

Styx has a very similar ratio ... again, much ado about nothing.

CORRECTION:
http://www.setlist.fm/setlist/styx/2010 ... 402fa.html
Out of 12 songs, 5 are Dennis (GI, Lady, Lorelei, SMB, CSA) plus whatever parts of that medley. So Styx does a higher ratio of Dennis songs. Where's the similar outrage? (Yes, I'm just pointing out that this whole setlist thing is just ridiculous ...)

Don't say "people"...I didn't say anything about a percentage. Unless you are saying you count more then 0 solo songs...if you do, please point them out to me.

First of all...EXXXXCCCUUUUUSEE ME. I did miscount the total number of songs. My error. Typical over sensitive folks around here. For the record, I have supported DDY and the current line up of Styx. Would like them to one day reunite, but have enjoyed both over the last decade. Point was...it is a growing number. Interesting. Read into it what you want.

Regarding Loggins, no Keep the Fire? Always liked that song.

When its the basis of ypur entire post/point, then yes, it does make a big deal.

Geez, the point was the same as mine. When the time came to cut songs, he cut out HIS songs, not Tommy's.

Or maybe he needs those songs to give his vocals a rest and the difference between DM/DLIE and those are negligable.

[Everett]

So is glen done with dennis now?

[Born4adventure]

So is glen done with dennis now?

don't think he can stand dennis

[Archetype]

Dennis's band is insanely good. I saw them on June 25th in Niagara Falls and I'm going to see them again August 20th in Erie.

What's your move, Styx? Or will the complacency continue?

[styxfansite]

So is glen done with dennis now?

don't think he can stand dennis

Glen is probably busy working with ELO.

[kansas666]

Who is left in Starship from the original lineup?

Interesting question. The band was called Jefferson Airplane and changed it to Jefferson Starship at the beginning of the 70's to keep up with the times. When the only remaining original member of Jefferson Airplane - Paul Kantner left the band, he sued for the name "Jefferson" and the band became just Starship. Grace Slick was not an original member of Jefferson Airplane. Now Mickey Thomas carries on as Starship. No other members of the band were in it even during the Jefferson Starship era.

[Monker]

Who is left in Starship from the original lineup?

Interesting question. The band was called Jefferson Airplane and changed it to Jefferson Starship at the beginning of the 70's to keep up with the times. When the only remaining original member of Jefferson Airplane - Paul Kantner left the band, he sued for the name "Jefferson" and the band became just Starship. Grace Slick was not an original member of Jefferson Airplane. Now Mickey Thomas carries on as Starship. No other members of the band were in it even during the Jefferson Starship era.

There was also a version of Jefferson Airplane touring a while back. Not sure how Kantner was involved. But, I remember thinking it would be worthless going if neither Slick or Thomas were involved.

[Monker]

No it's not. If "The Music of Styx" were displayed in such a prominent way, it's very possible that Styx could sue him to make him stop.

This was all part of the lawsuit settlement on how Dennis could use the name Styx in the billing of his shows, and he's been doing it this way since at least 2003. No lawsuits necessary.

I know this.

But, if he advertised it as:

Dennis DeYoung and
THE MUSIC OF STYX

He could very possibly be sued for having "The Music of Styx" having more emphasis then "Dennis DeYoung".

This is EXACTLY what Stephen Housden did to BSG when they were advertising with "The original voices of Little River Band" is a larger print the their names. In fact, that is the very reason why their DVD has ?'s in it:

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/6 ... SS500_.jpg

They ended up having to further define their settlement so it was required that this text had to be in a smaller font then their names.

So, yes, it is possible that Styx could sue if he put such emphasis on "The music of Styx" as in that post.

[hoagiepete]

40% of songs were Tommy's lead vocal. Interesting.

And, not even Desert Moon was played - NO solo songs now.

What math are you people doing? 4 (BCM, Renegade, TMTOMH, FY) out of 14 songs is 28.5%. Nearly 3/4 of the show is still Dennis' stuff.

Styx has a very similar ratio ... again, much ado about nothing.

CORRECTION:
http://www.setlist.fm/setlist/styx/2010 ... 402fa.html
Out of 12 songs, 5 are Dennis (GI, Lady, Lorelei, SMB, CSA) plus whatever parts of that medley. So Styx does a higher ratio of Dennis songs. Where's the similar outrage? (Yes, I'm just pointing out that this whole setlist thing is just ridiculous ...)

Don't say "people"...I didn't say anything about a percentage. Unless you are saying you count more then 0 solo songs...if you do, please point them out to me.

First of all...EXXXXCCCUUUUUSEE ME. I did miscount the total number of songs. My error. Typical over sensitive folks around here. For the record, I have supported DDY and the current line up of Styx. Would like them to one day reunite, but have enjoyed both over the last decade. Point was...it is a growing number. Interesting. Read into it what you want.

Regarding Loggins, no Keep the Fire? Always liked that song.

When its the basis of ypur entire post/point, then yes, it does make a big deal.

First of all, no comment on a music message board is a "big deal" to me. My post was a quick observation, maybe hoping for further discussion. Again, please excuse my 11.5% miscalculation.

My point was...I find it interesting that this is occuring. When I saw DDY, he wasn't playing those songs and now he is. Interesting. I don't know the reason why. Wouldn't pretend to.

Is he wanting to give fans the full Styx experience?
Marketing ploy to get the fans to attend that like Styx but don't care much for his solo stuff and are afraid they'll hear an hour and half of ballads and showtunes?
Is he trying to piss off Tommy?
Does his vocal chords need the break? (probably my thought when making the post)

Hell I don't know and do find it interesting. I'd rather hear a few songs off One Hundred Yrs from Now than 4 Styx songs with a Tommy impersonator (pretty good one I would add).

As I said, I have enjoyed both groups. I'm not thrilled with Gowan for DDY, but he does a good enough job. I have never left a Styx show without thinking "that was fun". Always high energy and entertaining. DDY at the time I saw him was much more laid back, but I enjoyed it too. My main thought there was...his band at the time was "ok", but I wish he would be back in Styx. Sounds like he has upgraded.

I am somewhat bitter at all parties since they can't put it all back together. Since it doesn't seem possible, I'll continue to check them both out, have a few beers and enjoy the evening when possible.

[brywool]

I have to agree with the MonkMan. Dennis SHOULD be playing some solo tunes. He SHOULD be playing SOMETHING off 100 Years and Desert Moon for sure. The difference between the two bands is that Styx plays Styx music and it's the Dennis DeYoung show. He really should play some solo stuff.

[Everett]

I have to agree with the MonkMan. Dennis SHOULD be playing some solo tunes. He SHOULD be playing SOMETHING off 100 Years and Desert Moon for sure. The difference between the two bands is that Styx plays Styx music and it's the Dennis DeYoung show. He really should play some solo stuff.

I'm sure he would've played desert moon/ stuff off 100 years if he had the time, every show is different bry. August is a hit for him right now and i'm sure he want's to put him in the spotlight. Granted and this is my opinion he still has some work to do but what i saw this past weekend was not bad at all, and this is coming from a die hard tommy & JY fan here.

[Born4adventure]

I have to agree with the MonkMan. Dennis SHOULD be playing some solo tunes. He SHOULD be playing SOMETHING off 100 Years and Desert Moon for sure. The difference between the two bands is that Styx plays Styx music and it's the Dennis DeYoung show. He really should play some solo stuff.

I'm sure he would've played desert moon/ stuff off 100 years if he had the time, every show is different bry. August is a hit for him right now and i'm sure he want's to put him in the spotlight. Granted and this is my opinion he still has some work to do but what i saw this past weekend was not bad at all, and this is coming from a die hard tommy & JY fan here.

august is a die hard of them too. the guys devoted his life to being like tommy shaw and he does a good job of it

[brywool]

yeah, I guess so. I get annoyed when artist's don't stand by their stuff. I'm the same way with Styx. They should be playing their new stuff too. On Journey's last tour, they played a bunch of new stuff. McCartney, same thing. It kind of gives off the vibe that they don't support it.

In the old days, you had to tour and play the new stuff to sell the new albums. Artists are too afraid to do that these days because Americans have the attention span of a 3 year old... I hate that.

[brywool]

I have to agree with the MonkMan. Dennis SHOULD be playing some solo tunes. He SHOULD be playing SOMETHING off 100 Years and Desert Moon for sure. The difference between the two bands is that Styx plays Styx music and it's the Dennis DeYoung show. He really should play some solo stuff.

I'm sure he would've played desert moon/ stuff off 100 years if he had the time, every show is different bry. August is a hit for him right now and i'm sure he want's to put him in the spotlight. Granted and this is my opinion he still has some work to do but what i saw this past weekend was not bad at all, and this is coming from a die hard tommy & JY fan here.

august is a die hard of them too. the guys devoted his life to being like tommy shaw and he does a good job of it

Seems to have paid off for him. Lucky Bast**d. I'd love to have that gig.

[Everett]

I have to agree with the MonkMan. Dennis SHOULD be playing some solo tunes. He SHOULD be playing SOMETHING off 100 Years and Desert Moon for sure. The difference between the two bands is that Styx plays Styx music and it's the Dennis DeYoung show. He really should play some solo stuff.

I'm sure he would've played desert moon/ stuff off 100 years if he had the time, every show is different bry. August is a hit for him right now and i'm sure he want's to put him in the spotlight. Granted and this is my opinion he still has some work to do but what i saw this past weekend was not bad at all, and this is coming from a die hard tommy & JY fan here.

august is a die hard of them too. the guys devoted his life to being like tommy shaw and he does a good job of it

Seems to have paid off for him. Lucky Bast**d. I'd love to have that gig.

There's only 1 TS but august is the closest thing to the real deal that i have heard in a long time. This is gonna pain me to say but august does a better tommy then bobby rouse imho.

[Monker]

On Journey's last tour, they played a bunch of new stuff.

No they didn't. They played three. Is that a bunch? When I saw them, they didn't go over very well either.

[Monker]

I have to agree with the MonkMan. Dennis SHOULD be playing some solo tunes. He SHOULD be playing SOMETHING off 100 Years and Desert Moon for sure. The difference between the two bands is that Styx plays Styx music and it's the Dennis DeYoung show. He really should play some solo stuff.

I'm sure he would've played desert moon/ stuff off 100 years if he had the time, every show is different bry. August is a hit for him right now and i'm sure he want's to put him in the spotlight. Granted and this is my opinion he still has some work to do but what i saw this past weekend was not bad at all, and this is coming from a die hard tommy & JY fan here.

The bottom line is when he was short on time, he cut his solo song. It seems to me he KNOWS the crowd would rather hear Tommy's Styx songs then his own solo work.

[pinkfloyd1973]

The bottom line is when he was short on time, he cut his solo song. It seems to me he KNOWS the crowd would rather hear Tommy's Styx songs then his own solo work.

That's pretty funny Monkey, since he only does a handful of their songs, he sang lead vocals on most of the songs he and his band perform now

[Born4adventure]

I have to agree with the MonkMan. Dennis SHOULD be playing some solo tunes. He SHOULD be playing SOMETHING off 100 Years and Desert Moon for sure. The difference between the two bands is that Styx plays Styx music and it's the Dennis DeYoung show. He really should play some solo stuff.

I'm sure he would've played desert moon/ stuff off 100 years if he had the time, every show is different bry. August is a hit for him right now and i'm sure he want's to put him in the spotlight. Granted and this is my opinion he still has some work to do but what i saw this past weekend was not bad at all, and this is coming from a die hard tommy & JY fan here.

august is a die hard of them too. the guys devoted his life to being like tommy shaw and he does a good job of it

Seems to have paid off for him. Lucky Bast**d. I'd love to have that gig.

There's only 1 TS but august is the closest thing to the real deal that i have heard in a long time. This is gonna pain me to say but august does a better tommy then bobby rouse imho.

glen was better

[Babyblue]

On Journey's last tour, they played a bunch of new stuff.

No they didn't. They played three. Is that a bunch? When I saw them, they didn't go over very well either.

So you like unjourney???

[Born4adventure]

On Journey's last tour, they played a bunch of new stuff.

No they didn't. They played three. Is that a bunch? When I saw them, they didn't go over very well either.

So you like unjourney???

bb perry just doesn't want to do it anymore and the other guys do. it is journey

[Everett]

I have to agree with the MonkMan. Dennis SHOULD be playing some solo tunes. He SHOULD be playing SOMETHING off 100 Years and Desert Moon for sure. The difference between the two bands is that Styx plays Styx music and it's the Dennis DeYoung show. He really should play some solo stuff.

I'm sure he would've played desert moon/ stuff off 100 years if he had the time, every show is different bry. August is a hit for him right now and i'm sure he want's to put him in the spotlight. Granted and this is my opinion he still has some work to do but what i saw this past weekend was not bad at all, and this is coming from a die hard tommy & JY fan here.

august is a die hard of them too. the guys devoted his life to being like tommy shaw and he does a good job of it

Seems to have paid off for him. Lucky Bast**d. I'd love to have that gig.

There's only 1 TS but august is the closest thing to the real deal that i have heard in a long time. This is gonna pain me to say but august does a better tommy then bobby rouse imho.

glen was better

Not really

[Babyblue]

On Journey's last tour, they played a bunch of new stuff.

No they didn't. They played three. Is that a bunch? When I saw them, they didn't go over very well either.

So you like unjourney???

bb perry just doesn't want to do it anymore and the other guys do. it is journey

Well then if you know Mr P???Tell him BB siad get off of his ass and sing.lololol
Not really rats i am happy he can relax now.LOLOL

Yes i know he does not want to sing.But its still unjournry to me. Lord i hate to say this but Neal is great at what he does.I will not ever say that again. I playedsthe times 3 CD'S yestaday it blew me away at how good he was. Oh yeah forgotto say its the one with the book in it.LOLOL

[Monker]

The bottom line is when he was short on time, he cut his solo song. It seems to me he KNOWS the crowd would rather hear Tommy's Styx songs then his own solo work.

That's pretty funny Monkey, since he only does a handful of their songs, he sang lead vocals on most of the songs he and his band perform now

Correct. He does a handful of Tommy's songs and only one solo song, "Desert Moon". And, when it came time to cut, he cut Desert Moon.

[Monker]

On Journey's last tour, they played a bunch of new stuff.

No they didn't. They played three. Is that a bunch? When I saw them, they didn't go over very well either.

So you like unjourney???

No so much now that they've become a band chasing the "legacy sound" or doing some kinda Hindu concept album

[StyxCollector]

I have to agree with the MonkMan. Dennis SHOULD be playing some solo tunes. He SHOULD be playing SOMETHING off 100 Years and Desert Moon for sure. The difference between the two bands is that Styx plays Styx music and it's the Dennis DeYoung show. He really should play some solo stuff.

He usually does. It's rare not to get Desert Moon. I saw the title track from 100 Years in RI in February. He's doing some 100 Years tracks in Canada. The reality of 100 Years is that by now, the album is a few years old so it's not even a new release he is truly promoting.

Styx isn't doing anything new either (and I'm not talking covers) and they have a new song on an upcoming release. They're not doing anything from Cyclorama or BNW (and haven't for awhile). I would argue they are doing more of a faux pax by doing High Enough - not even a Styx song - when there are so many other Styx songs they could pull out. So is that worse than Dennis who is billed as playing "the music of Styx" (which would also encompass Tommy's songs)? Just playing devil's advocate ... there is no right and wrong here.

Both bands know they are there for nostalgia.

[Monker]

I would argue they are doing more of a faux pax by doing High Enough - not even a Styx song - when there are so many other Styx songs they could pull out. .

LOL. I find it much more of a faux pas for Dennis to hire a Tommy impersonator so he can perform Tommy's Styx songs then it is for Tommy to sing "High Enough" in Styx.

Tommy performed Styx songs in DY, so why not? Styx performs Gowan's solo songs, so why not do DY? Styx has done other covers, so why not DY?

[brywool]

On Journey's last tour, they played a bunch of new stuff.

No they didn't. They played three. Is that a bunch? When I saw them, they didn't go over very well either.

When I saw them, they played at least 5. Of COURSE they didn't go over as well as say, Don't Stop Believin, or Lovin Touchin Wheezin, but it was good stuff.
Still, 3 is pretty decent. It's alot better than Dennis and Styx's ZERO.