Should the Mosque at Ground Zero be allowed

[bluejeangirl76]

Look man, I think all religion should be wiped off the planet and it would be a better place to live.

Aren't you the same guy that said you don't judge people...?

Hahahaha. Pwned!

[Sarah]

The question in the OP was "should it be allowed" and yes it should be allowed under freedom of religion. Is it in poor taste? Maybe, but the constitution wins out imo.

[steveo777]

Personally, I don't think a forum full of loons should be discussing a subject like this.

[BobbyinTN]

Look man, I think all religion should be wiped off the planet and it would be a better place to live.

Aren't you the same guy that said you don't judge people...?

Religion and people are different things.

[Monker]

The church you protest against today might be your church that's protested against tomorrow. Setting a precedent like this, to say who can worship and who can't or where they can worship, is a very slippery slope, especially for Christians who want to continue to worship as they please.

Exactly. And, not only that but Evangelicals believe in going to NEW places and expanding Christianity. It makes their quest a bit more difficult if they can't even build a church.

[Monker]

I agree with those that think it's a matter of what is legal vs what is appropriate.

What is 'appropriate' is for the US to build a 9/11 memorial. We, as a nation, have had 9 years to do this and don't seem to have the motivation to get past the politics and get it done. If we had, this debate about a cultural center would probably not be happening.

[Monker]

Most Muslims don't commit terroist attacks...
Yet most terrorist attacks are done by Muslims.

Fact. Look it up.

Another fact is that Timothy McVeigh was a Christian and a terrorist. So, perhaps there should be no Christian churches in Fort Worth, Texas.

[conversationpc]

Most Muslims don't commit terroist attacks...
Yet most terrorist attacks are done by Muslims.

Fact. Look it up.

Another fact is that Timothy McVeigh was a Christian and a terrorist. So, perhaps there should be no Christian churches in Fort Worth, Texas.

Not a fact...From what I've read, he was an agnostic and would often tell friends that science was his religion. Also, here are a couple of interesting quotes from the book “American Terrorist: Timothy McVeigh and the Oklahoma City Bombing”...

On Sunday mornings, the recruits were required to either attend church services or spend an hour cleaning the barracks. McVeigh, an agnostic, chose to clean the barracks until he found out that nobody took attendance at church. One Sunday, he signed up for church and just slipped away from the rest of his platoon. He found a field of tall grass and lay there, a little worried about snakes, but enjoying the opportunity to relax in solitude. The following Sunday, McVeigh signed up for church again. This time, he sneaked into an old abandoned barracks to kill time.

...paid a visit to the local Seventh Day Adventist Church, but he found that service bored him … McVeigh had never been inclined to criticize people for their religious views, but he concluded that organized religion wasn’t really for him. He believed that the universe was guided by natural law, energized by some universal higher power that showed each person right from wrong if they paid attention to what was going on inside of them.

Those are hardly Christian beliefs. If anything, it sounds like McVeigh was an agnostic.

[lights1961]

NO and NO.... period.. no gray area... no mosque... not now not ever in that area of manhattan... build it somewhere else...

When you have the leader of the DEM party Reid... telling them no, dont build it near ground zero... that tells you everything you need to know... and if they get the go ahead to build it...they better used the illegals to build it... because there will be no union head going 12 miles of that project... and how ironic is that... illegals building a mosque near ground zero... HOPE AND CHANGE... gotta love it...

[The_Noble_Cause]

When you have the leader of the DEM party Reid... telling them no, dont build it near ground zero... that tells you everything you need to know...

Yeh, that he's a politician, up for re-election and willing to trade principle for votes - like ALL politicians. Dave is the only Con in this thread making any sense whatsoever.

[conversationpc]

When you have the leader of the DEM party Reid... telling them no, dont build it near ground zero... that tells you everything you need to know...

Yeh, that he's a politician, up for re-election and willing to trade principle for votes - like ALL politicians. Dave is the only Con in this thread making any sense whatsoever.

Yeah, that bit didn't surprise me at all. [insert politician name here] pandering for votes...Who'd a thunk?

[Monker]

NO and NO.... period.. no gray area... no mosque... not now not ever in that area of manhattan... build it somewhere else...

You're ignorant to the fact that mosques already exist in that area of the city.

When you have the leader of the DEM party Reid... telling them no, dont build it near ground zero... that tells you everything you need to know...

Yeah, that he's a pussy Democrat caving into political pressure....no different then the pussy Democrats who caved during the debate over the Iraq war.

and if they get the go ahead to build it...they better used the illegals to build it... because there will be no union head going 12 miles of that project... and how ironic is that... illegals building a mosque near ground zero... HOPE AND CHANGE... gotta love it...

I don't care how it gets built or who builds it. The fact is that this is America and they have the Constitutional right to do it. In fact, since the asinine Republicans have decided to make it such an issue, I hope they build it regardless of any opposition or national feelings that have absolutely no relevance to what is going on in that community.

[conversationpc]

I don't care how it gets built or who builds it. The fact is that this is America and they have the Constitutional right to do it.

Is anyone really disputing that they have the right to do it? If they are, they're ignorant of the law. They have the right but morally, in my opinion, it's not the right thing to do.

In fact, since the asinine Republicans have decided to make it such an issue, I hope they build it regardless of any opposition or national feelings that have absolutely no relevance to what is going on in that community.

You're a dumbass if you really feel that way, regardless of political ideology.

[bluejeangirl76]

I don't care how it gets built or who builds it. The fact is that this is America and they have the Constitutional right to do it.

Is anyone really disputing that they have the right to do it? If they are, they're ignorant of the law. The have the right but morally, in my opinion, it's not the right thing to do.

Correct. We have the "right" to do a lot of things... I have the "right" to go.. say for example... tell off my boss... doesn't make it a good idea and would only cause problems, so I wouldn't do it.

[BobbyinTN]

If science was McVeigh's religion, then maybe they shouldn't be teaching science in the vicinity of the bombing.

Do you see how badly that could go now?

The Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor, no Japanese food in that area, EVER.

The Nazis killed Jews. No rye bread for them.

Andrew Jackson killed Indians, and yet, there's even money with his picture on it.

Guys, the argument could go so many ways and it's ridiculous to claim that any American who wants to build a church anywhere they can build it should be denied simply because of the actions of a few. If one church can't build, no church should be allowed to build.

[KenTheDude]

I don't care how it gets built or who builds it. The fact is that this is America and they have the Constitutional right to do it.

Is anyone really disputing that they have the right to do it? If they are, they're ignorant of the law. The have the right but morally, in my opinion, it's not the right thing to do.

Correct. We have the "right" to do a lot of things... I have the "right" to go.. say for example... tell off my boss... doesn't make it a good idea and would only cause problems, so I wouldn't do it.

^^^ Such a fitting caption to this pic, because it's such a major downgrade to the one you had posted.

[bluejeangirl76]

I don't care how it gets built or who builds it. The fact is that this is America and they have the Constitutional right to do it.

Is anyone really disputing that they have the right to do it? If they are, they're ignorant of the law. The have the right but morally, in my opinion, it's not the right thing to do.

Correct. We have the "right" to do a lot of things... I have the "right" to go.. say for example... tell off my boss... doesn't make it a good idea and would only cause problems, so I wouldn't do it.

^^^ Such a fitting caption to this pic, because it's such a major downgrade to the one you had posted.

Thank you.

[steveo777]

NO and NO.... period.. no gray area... no mosque... not now not ever in that area of manhattan... build it somewhere else...

You're ignorant to the fact that mosques already exist in that area of the city.

When you have the leader of the DEM party Reid... telling them no, dont build it near ground zero... that tells you everything you need to know...

Yeah, that he's a pussy Democrat caving into political pressure....no different then the pussy Democrats who caved during the debate over the Iraq war.

and if they get the go ahead to build it...they better used the illegals to build it... because there will be no union head going 12 miles of that project... and how ironic is that... illegals building a mosque near ground zero... HOPE AND CHANGE... gotta love it...

I don't care how it gets built or who builds it. The fact is that this is America and they have the Constitutional right to do it. In fact, since the asinine Republicans have decided to make it such an issue, I hope they build it regardless of any opposition or national feelings that have absolutely no relevance to what is going on in that community.

That doesn't make it proper and building it is in bad taste, but apparently some people are oblivious to this fact, you included.

[BobbyinTN]

If America cared about "bad taste" the Shrub would have never put on that flight gear and shouted "misson accomplished".

[conversationpc]

If America cared about "bad taste" the Shrub would have never put on that flight gear and shouted "misson accomplished".

Ah, the gold standard in diversionary tactics...When in doubt, always blame Bush.

[steveo777]

Yeah, push the "It's Bush's Fault" button.

[Monker]

I don't care how it gets built or who builds it. The fact is that this is America and they have the Constitutional right to do it.

Is anyone really disputing that they have the right to do it? If they are, they're ignorant of the law. They have the right but morally, in my opinion, it's not the right thing to do.

In fact, since the asinine Republicans have decided to make it such an issue, I hope they build it regardless of any opposition or national feelings that have absolutely no relevance to what is going on in that community.

You're a dumbass if you really feel that way, regardless of political ideology.

I'd rather be called a dumbass for defending a Constitutional right then a genius for whining when that right is covering a people I don't particularly care for.

They should build it. If I had Bill Gates' money, I'd pay for an upgrade and for a giant sign to hang on the front that said, "We're Muslims, not terrorists. Deal with it."

[Monker]

I don't care how it gets built or who builds it. The fact is that this is America and they have the Constitutional right to do it.

Is anyone really disputing that they have the right to do it? If they are, they're ignorant of the law. The have the right but morally, in my opinion, it's not the right thing to do.

Correct. We have the "right" to do a lot of things... I have the "right" to go.. say for example... tell off my boss... doesn't make it a good idea and would only cause problems, so I wouldn't do it.

Not the same thing.

You have the right to write an article for a newspaper that is critical of the company you work for. And, it would be wrong for that same company to insist the paper censor that article.

[Monker]

I don't care how it gets built or who builds it. The fact is that this is America and they have the Constitutional right to do it. In fact, since the asinine Republicans have decided to make it such an issue, I hope they build it regardless of any opposition or national feelings that have absolutely no relevance to what is going on in that community.

That doesn't make it proper and building it is in bad taste, but apparently some people are oblivious to this fact, you included. [/quote]

It is hypocritical for this nation to be so proud of it's Constitution, Bill of Rights, Declaration of Independence, and general history of liberty to now deny freedom of religion. It is also embarrassing for Republicans, who claim to be so patriotic, to now act like whiny liberals over an issue of such clear exercise of those same liberties. It is CLEAR that Republicans only believe in the Constitution when it suits their political needs.

[Monker]

If America cared about "bad taste" the Shrub would have never put on that flight gear and shouted "misson accomplished".

Correct...and he would have never been elected, and especially reelected.

[SF-Dano]

If science was McVeigh's religion, then maybe they shouldn't be teaching science in the vicinity of the bombing.

Do you see how badly that could go now?

The Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor, no Japanese food in that area, EVER.

The Nazis killed Jews. No rye bread for them.

Andrew Jackson killed Indians, and yet, there's even money with his picture on it.

Guys, the argument could go so many ways and it's ridiculous to claim that any American who wants to build a church anywhere they can build it should be denied simply because of the actions of a few. If one church can't build, no church should be allowed to build.

Wow!!! It is funny how the "slippery slope" card is ok for you to use in this case, but it was apparently absolute non-sense (as declared by you) for anybody using it in the Prop 8 discussion.

[SF-Dano]

I don't care how it gets built or who builds it. The fact is that this is America and they have the Constitutional right to do it. In fact, since the asinine Republicans have decided to make it such an issue, I hope they build it regardless of any opposition or national feelings that have absolutely no relevance to what is going on in that community.

That doesn't make it proper and building it is in bad taste, but apparently some people are oblivious to this fact, you included.

It is hypocritical for this nation to be so proud of it's Constitution, Bill of Rights, Declaration of Independence, and general history of liberty to now deny freedom of religion. It is also embarrassing for Republicans, who claim to be so patriotic, to now act like whiny liberals over an issue of such clear exercise of those same liberties. It is CLEAR that Republicans only believe in the Constitution when it suits their political needs.[/quote]

Freedom of Religion doesn't mean that there is a "Right" to build your "house of worship" anywhere you want.

[ohsherrie]

Ditto to everything Monker said.

First of all it's not a mosque.

Secondly, it's not at the World Trade Center site.

This should be a non-issue if we truly have religious freedom in this country. The problem is that the rethugs make an issue of anything that they can get their christian (self)right(eous) base stirred up about even if it means ignoring the Constitution that they claim to guard religiously.

[BobbyinTN]

If America cared about "bad taste" the Shrub would have never put on that flight gear and shouted "misson accomplished".

Ah, the gold standard in diversionary tactics...When in doubt, always blame Bush.

I'm just sayin'. If you're gonna bring up "bad taste", all is fair. Ain't it?

[BobbyinTN]

If science was McVeigh's religion, then maybe they shouldn't be teaching science in the vicinity of the bombing.

Do you see how badly that could go now?

The Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor, no Japanese food in that area, EVER.

The Nazis killed Jews. No rye bread for them.

Andrew Jackson killed Indians, and yet, there's even money with his picture on it.

Guys, the argument could go so many ways and it's ridiculous to claim that any American who wants to build a church anywhere they can build it should be denied simply because of the actions of a few. If one church can't build, no church should be allowed to build.

Wow!!! It is funny how the "slippery slope" card is ok for you to use in this case, but it was apparently absolute non-sense (as declared by you) for anybody using it in the Prop 8 discussion.

Yes, because people marrying animals is SO similar to the examples I gave.