Isn't it interesting....

[brywool]

Dude, you have ONE message that you blurt out over and over... it's not all black and white and it isn't all pro-Dennis or pro-Tommy. Get some perspective and therapy. You put words in my mouth that I have never said. You make assumptions that I've never voiced.
I don't have the energy to keep going back and forth with you. I don't agree with the stuff that you're saying. I'll leave it at that.

[Boomchild]

DDY has stated that he regrets pushing that project on the band.

Oh, I'm sure. But, and I'm sure the captain of the Titanic regrets hitting the iceberg. But, the fact is they are both responsible for steering the ship...and that means both the fans and Dennis should accept HE is responsible for where it ended up.

He and his band mates are responsible for what went wrong. If they were not interested in the project then they could have refused to do it. I am sure they could have come up with something else that suited them. To think that the other members had no control over the band is just stupid.

The reality is the other band members could have not let that project happen. They choose not to. Now they paint a picture as if they had no choice in the matter. Which is just pure bullshit. Just as much as you point out that DDY needed to take responsibility for KHW so do the others by not turning down the project from being done.

Blah, blah, blah, same old excuses from you. Either DDY was steering the ship, or not. If you are saying DDY was not captain of the Styx ship, well, you need to go live with froy in whatever institution he is in.

I know that it is hard for you to except that anyone but DDY was responsible for the problems in Styx. You want to pin it on one person and that just isn't the case.

[Monker]

DDY has stated that he regrets pushing that project on the band.

Oh, I'm sure. But, and I'm sure the captain of the Titanic regrets hitting the iceberg. But, the fact is they are both responsible for steering the ship...and that means both the fans and Dennis should accept HE is responsible for where it ended up.

He and his band mates are responsible for what went wrong.

Not at this point. Dennis was who put Styx on a course towards the iceberg. HE needs to take responsibility. As I already said about Hopper, "First role of leadership - it's ALWAYS YOUR FAULT." Dennis was leading. The ship sank. Therefore, as leader of the band, he should take responsibility.

I know that it is hard for you to except that anyone but DDY was responsible for the problems in Styx. You want to pin it on one person and that just isn't the case.

What I do not accept is when some egomaniac who must control the direction of the band takes complete control and the band collapses shortly thereafter that people do not accept that the egomaniac is the person who needs to take responsibility for the demise of that band.

[Monker]

And to answer Monker, hard for the captain to drive the ship by himself 24-7 and do all the first mate's work because the first mate is incapable of doing anything and actually causing destructive damage to the ship through his actions.

If Tommy was that incompetent, then DeYoung should have fired him and moved on.

Dennis was in control and was at the wheel commanding everybody and the ship hit an iceberg and sank. Get over it.

[styxfanNH]

If Tommy and JY grew some balls at the time and said Dennis, this is not what we want to do and they agreed to put it off or develop an album they all believed in, we would be at a very different place than we are today.

I disagree. I still contend Styx would not have made it longer than the 80s and maintained the lineup until today. Too many problems which would have come to a head no matter what at some point.

Reality check is this: JY is not the strongest songwriter in Styx. Some of what he's done is good, but for the most part he's playing the George Harrison vs. Paul and John role in Styx. Tommy was - by his own admission - self medicating. Yes, I love "Haven't We Been Here Before", but he really didn't show up for Kilroy. He withdrew. Now, he did write some of his solo stuff around PT and had KWH *not* been a concept album and songs like "Girls With Guns" on there, it may have been more interesting. Maybe. Since it didn't happen, we'll never know. A fun exercise could be taking the best of Kilroy, Desert Moon, GWG, and City Slicker and making your own 1984ish Styx album.

I agree that they probably wouldn't have made it out of the 80's. But a different album may have provided an opportunity to do followup solo albums then get back together for at least one or two more.

Both Tommy and JY have said that they pretty much went along with Dennis' idea because Dennis' success with hit songs pretty much gave him that right. Just saying that if they were that against the Kilroy album, they should have put up more of a fight to go in a different direction.

[Boomchild]

DDY has stated that he regrets pushing that project on the band.

Oh, I'm sure. But, and I'm sure the captain of the Titanic regrets hitting the iceberg. But, the fact is they are both responsible for steering the ship...and that means both the fans and Dennis should accept HE is responsible for where it ended up.

He and his band mates are responsible for what went wrong.

Not at this point. Dennis was who put Styx on a course towards the iceberg. HE needs to take responsibility. As I already said about Hopper, "First role of leadership - it's ALWAYS YOUR FAULT." Dennis was leading. The ship sank. Therefore, as leader of the band, he should take responsibility.

I know that it is hard for you to except that anyone but DDY was responsible for the problems in Styx. You want to pin it on one person and that just isn't the case.

What I do not accept is when some egomaniac who must control the direction of the band takes complete control and the band collapses shortly thereafter that people do not accept that the egomaniac is the person who needs to take responsibility for the demise of that band.

The band was headed for trouble long before KWH. Which they all had a hand in. As far as DDY taking responsibility for KWH, he has so what is your point?