Regeneration : Crystal Ball

[dabstudio]

another sneak peek at the STYX - Regeneration, Vol. 1


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGMRWFcz ... re=channel

[brywool]

Not that much different from the original and so far, the best of the bunch.
Shaw's voice is in great shape. I do notice a bit of faltering at the end of a few lines in the acoustic part.
He's also singing it lighter than he did in 76 (dang! I was 13).

Where the electric guitar comes in is a bit weird.
Again, the doubling effect- at least it was saved for the harmonies instead of the solo vocal.
Gowan sticks to the Dennis solo and does a good job. Say what you want about him, the guy's a great player.

A decent and pretty true to form remake. For me, the best version of this is the Roadie Soundtrack version.
Not sure why, I just have always liked it.

[SuiteMadameBlue]

Thanks for posting. I have always liked and still like Tommy's songs/music. "Crystal Ball" is one of my favorites.

I do enjoy Todd's drumming, but what bothers me the most of re-recording these old songs is not that it only removes Dennis' vocals/harmonies & keyboard playing, it's like they're erasing John's drum playing and history. It's really sad.
(I'm going to keep reposting this same statement in all the threads)

[Everett]

I don't wanna sound like a broken record so i won't comment

[brywool]

I don't wanna sound like a broken record so i won't comment

Why don't you just re-record your comments and sell it to us for $30.00?

[froy]

another sneak peek at the STYX - Regeneration, Vol. 1


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGMRWFcz ... re=channel

Vocals are very weak, Why did they redo this song BTW?
This version is pita full compared to the original.
Horrible production.

Why would anyone listen to this over the original?

[froy]

[quote="brywool"

Where the electric guitar comes in is a bit weird.
Again, the doubling effect-

It's like someone turned on a switch and it distorted out
Horrific production

Gowan sticks to the Dennis solo and does a good job. Say what you want about him, the guy's a great player.

He's a great player because he sticks to Dennis's parts ?
Anyone could copy those parts anyone.
Stop praising the guy for no reason

[brywool]

Why would anyone listen to this over the original?

That's pretty much the question for all of these. Why try to recreate magic?

It's a moot point. These will do nothing (and probably aren't intended) to "erase" what has already been released.
It was just "something to do".

[yogi]

Since DDY was the one who 'Styxified' this song back in 1976 they should have added the extra verse for this EP. Tommy sang the extra verse on his Girls With Guns Tour. It should have been added here.

The verse talks about picking up the 7/10 split and how good most bowling alley food is. Tommy only sings about coffee now. Back in the day he sang about food & sports.

[froy]

Since DDY was the one who 'Styxified' this song back in 1976 they should have added the extra verse for this EP. Tommy sang the extra verse on his Girls With Guns Tour. It should have been added here.

The verse talks about picking up the 7/10 split and how good most bowling alley food is. Tommy only sings about coffee now. Back in the day he sang about food & sports.

Ah Yes The Beef and Bowl days

[gr8dane]

Gowan sticks to the Dennis solo and does a good job. Say what you want about him, the guy's a great player.

He's a great player because he sticks to Dennis's parts ?
Anyone could copy those parts anyone.
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Doesn't say much about Dennis does it?

[froy]

Gowan sticks to the Dennis solo and does a good job. Say what you want about him, the guy's a great player.

He's a great player because he sticks to Dennis's parts ?
Anyone could copy those parts anyone.


Doesn't say much about Dennis does it?

On the contrary it doesn't say much about a copycat

[brywool]

Gowan sticks to the Dennis solo and does a good job. Say what you want about him, the guy's a great player.

He's a great player because he sticks to Dennis's parts ?
Anyone could copy those parts anyone.


Doesn't say much about Dennis does it?

No, he's a great player because he is.

Regarding, his sticking to Dennis' keyboard parts....
Geez, everybody's whining because Todd isn't sticking to John's simple drum parts and he's adding his own touch to them.
Personally, I prefer Todd's drum parts, but that takes NOTHING away from John. I just prefer a more technical drummer.
If Gowan went off and put his own solos in, people would be all over him. Seriously, Gowan IS the better keyboard player. He's NOT the better singer or writer (at least for my tastes) but he is HANDS DOWN a better keyboard player than Dennis.

[StyxCollector]

Doesn't say much about Dennis does it?

It can say one of two things:
1. They didn't want to radically change the arrangement (which is most likely the case) to keep in the spirit of what they did with the other tracks.
2. Good, bad, or indifferent, there's a reason they stuck to the original. You may think DDY is a bad keyboard player (he's not) but to call into a question a solo done nearly 35 years ago is a bit ridiculous.

And talk to Tommy Shaw - he had a hell of a time finding someone to play those Fooling Yourself parts when he went solo in the 80s. So Dennis may not be "the best evah", but he's far from suck ass. Guys like Emerson and Wakeman may be able to outplay Dennis, but Dennis did what was right for the tunes in the limited space dictated by the arrangement.

[brywool]

Dennis is a good keyboard player.
Gowan is better. It's a fact.

[gr8dane]

Doesn't say much about Dennis does it?

It can say one of two things:
1. They didn't want to radically change the arrangement (which is most likely the case) to keep in the spirit of what they did with the other tracks.
2. Good, bad, or indifferent, there's a reason they stuck to the original. You may think DDY is a bad keyboard player (he's not) but to call into a question a solo done nearly 35 years ago is a bit ridiculous.

And talk to Tommy Shaw - he had a hell of a time finding someone to play those Fooling Yourself parts when he went solo in the 80s. So Dennis may not be "the best evah", but he's far from suck ass. Guys like Emerson and Wakeman may be able to outplay Dennis, but Dennis did what was right for the tunes in the limited space dictated by the arrangement.

I'm winding up froy.
I like Dennis' moog and organ ,when he actally got around to go all out.

[froy]

Dennis is a good keyboard player.
Gowan is better. It's a fact.

Sure it's a fact if your insane

[pinkfloyd1973]

Dennis is a good keyboard player.
Gowan is better. It's a fact.

Mebbe, but Dennis is a much better vocalist (Babyblue's comment in 3..2..1.....)



Robin

[StyxCollector]

I like Dennis' moog and organ ,when he actally got around to go all out.

DDY is a great Hammond player.

You mean Oberheim - he didn't use a Moog past Crystal Ball I believe. It may not be on there. I know it's on Equinox (the intro to Lonely Child sounds to be a Moog anyway). The OB 4-voice crept in around '76.

[froy]

Dennis is a good keyboard player.
Gowan is better. It's a fact.

Name 1 signature offering from Gowan that's been played on the radio.
Then think about how many DDY has given than you can see how wrong you are.
I careless about the trained keyboard player BS its how many popular pieces have gotten the band noticed and to the mainstream.
CSA BCM Lady SMTW Babe The Intro to Miss America etc Gowan done anything like that?

[froy]

I like Dennis' moog and organ ,when he actally got around to go all out.

DDY is a great Hammond player.

You mean Oberheim - he didn't use a Moog past Crystal Ball I believe. It may not be on there. I know it's on Equinox (the intro to Lonely Child sounds to be a Moog anyway). The OB 4-voice crept in around '76.

Yep he rips that OB up man

[gr8dane]

I like Dennis' moog and organ ,when he actally got around to go all out.

DDY is a great Hammond player.

You mean Oberheim - he didn't use a Moog past Crystal Ball I believe. It may not be on there. I know it's on Equinox (the intro to Lonely Child sounds to be a Moog anyway). The OB 4-voice crept in around '76.

Yeah,my keyboard differentiation is a bit off.
But he got some splendid moog out on Equinox.Shame he gave that one up.
Oberheim ehh?Well he had some great sounds with that also.

[brywool]

Dennis is a good keyboard player.
Gowan is better. It's a fact.

Name 1 signature offering from Gowan that's been played on the radio.
Then think about how many DDY has given than you can see how wrong you are.
I careless about the trained keyboard player BS its how many popular pieces have gotten the band noticed and to the mainstream.
CSA BCM Lady SMTW Babe The Intro to Miss America etc Gowan done anything like that?

You're confusing WRITING ability with Playing Ability. I never said Gowan was a better writer. I said the opposite.
Dennis is the first to admit that he's kind of a funky keyboard player based more in Accordian than piano.
Gowan IS the better keyboardist as far as playing. He can play circles around Dennis.
Now, having him come up with a signature keyboard part that stands up after 30 years... that's something else.

By the way, the Intro to Miss America is basically the Miss America song from the pageants. Not a good example of Dennis' imagination. Use the keyboard solo. That's a better example.

[froy]

"brywool

Gowan IS the better keyboardist as far as playing. He can play circles around Dennis.

Maybe that's why he runs around in circles on stage, All I can say is so what he can play better but he cannot write anything.
Advantage Dennis , All that Gowan is better at is coping people so what.
That's why STYX has to regurgitate because Gowan has no creativity and can't come up with anything new,
Advantage Dennis

Now, having him come up with a signature keyboard part that stands up after 30 years... that's something else.

To me that's the issue here, When Gowan comes up with something new let me know.

[brywool]

Dennis is a good keyboard player.
Gowan is better. It's a fact.

Mebbe, but Dennis is a much better vocalist (Babyblue's comment in 3..2..1.....)



Robin

I've already said that a million times...

[brywool]

"brywool

Gowan IS the better keyboardist as far as playing. He can play circles around Dennis.

Maybe that's why he runs around in circles on stage, All I can say is so what he can play better but he cannot write anything.
Advantage Dennis , All that Gowan is better at is coping people so what.
That's why STYX has to regurgitate because Gowan has no creativity and can't come up with anything new,
Advantage Dennis

Now, having him come up with a signature keyboard part that stands up after 30 years... that's something else.

To me that's the issue here, When Gowan comes up with something new let me know.

again, two different issues...

[gr8dane]

"brywool

Gowan IS the better keyboardist as far as playing. He can play circles around Dennis.

Maybe that's why he runs around in circles on stage, All I can say is so what he can play better but he cannot write anything.
Advantage Dennis , All that Gowan is better at is coping people so what.
That's why STYX has to regurgitate because Gowan has no creativity and can't come up with anything new,
Advantage Dennis

Now, having him come up with a signature keyboard part that stands up after 30 years... that's something else.

To me that's the issue here, When Gowan comes up with something new let me know.

again, two different issues...

You might as well talk to a lamp post Bry.

[brywool]

"brywool

Gowan IS the better keyboardist as far as playing. He can play circles around Dennis.

Maybe that's why he runs around in circles on stage, All I can say is so what he can play better but he cannot write anything.
Advantage Dennis , All that Gowan is better at is coping people so what.
That's why STYX has to regurgitate because Gowan has no creativity and can't come up with anything new,
Advantage Dennis

Now, having him come up with a signature keyboard part that stands up after 30 years... that's something else.

To me that's the issue here, When Gowan comes up with something new let me know.

again, two different issues...

You might as well talk to a lamp post Bry.

Nah, Froy's okay.

[Ash]

I've noticed the people who give Froy the most crap are the same people who bait him every opportunity. So... yeah go on and tell him that you wish he'd shut up and go away... blah blah blah... the facts are that if Froy did as you ask, then you'd have nothing productive to say.

[Ash]

Gowan sticks to the Dennis solo and does a good job. Say what you want about him, the guy's a great player.

He's a great player because he sticks to Dennis's parts ?
Anyone could copy those parts anyone.


Doesn't say much about Dennis does it?

No, he's a great player because he is.

Regarding, his sticking to Dennis' keyboard parts....
Geez, everybody's whining because Todd isn't sticking to John's simple drum parts and he's adding his own touch to them.
Personally, I prefer Todd's drum parts, but that takes NOTHING away from John. I just prefer a more technical drummer.
If Gowan went off and put his own solos in, people would be all over him. Seriously, Gowan IS the better keyboard player. He's NOT the better singer or writer (at least for my tastes) but he is HANDS DOWN a better keyboard player than Dennis.

I don't know that I really agree with your premise... but for the sake of argument, I'll accept it. To what do we credit this tho? His ability to replicate and append to someone elses creation? Does that mean if I take the Mona Lisa and add a nice moustache to it I am a better artist than Leonardo Davinci?

I saw nothing in Gowan's solo work to convince me he's a better player than Dennis. Not that I really give a crap. I just don't think you can judge someone's ability based on their interpretation of someone else's work.