Time For Gowan To Move On

[froy]

Monker

He has to be a solo guy pretending to be in his old band,

yep because the old band did some sand bagging

surrounding himself by soundalikes to sing songs to fill out his set list

Total hogwash he could fill out his setlist without any Styx Shaw material.

so the audience can pretend they are listening to a band from 30yrs ago.

At least it sounds like 30 years ago with STYX it's sounds like a goat farm

[froy]

Anyone could sing like Shaw big deal, I could go on stage with Dennis and sing all the Shaw songs so could Brywool
Shaw has a nothing voice

um, how should I take this??

My point is Shaw has a easy voice to replicate, He is not Perry or Freddie or DDY or Jon Anderson.
You can sing Jovi Shaw and other easy voices as I call them

[froy]

Anyone could sing like Shaw big deal, I could go on stage with Dennis and sing all the Shaw songs so could Brywool
Shaw has a nothing voice

Froy, come on now. I agree w/you on most issues around DDY, but I also think TS is just as integral to the music "THEY" created together. Is his voice aging over time? Well, he is getting older. But so is DDY, and while he still sounds great, the cracks of age are showing up there too. Let's be realistic.

I appreciate just as much of TS's music as I do DDY. The fact that he allows himself to be gelded by JY is another matter. And while JY is a distant 3rd in the pecking order of importance in my mind, his contributions help make them what they are (or were). That's why I'm a purist on this matter - whether right or wrong - because it took all 3 of them. And I'm not intending to diminish the Panozzos, or Todd.

This morning, I was listening to KWH on the way to breakfast (go ahead, make fun, but I actually like most of that disc), and I find the 2nd half the best part of the album - it's all TS & JY, with their harmonies. As I rotate between Equinox and Cyclorama, I find it interesting to hear the differences vocally as they've aged. I'll tell you, unless I'm deaf (I cannot sing a lick I'll admit, so I could not go on stage), I think TS as gotten better with age. Is he DDY good? No. He is what he is, and it ain't bad. I'd be just as disillusioned if someone else were mangling his songs as I am DDY's.

Dude, even though I tend to agree with you on many points, you're SO blindly loyal to DDY that I think you might be jaded on other fronts. Your sound nearly insane over it, sorta like BabyBlue w/Gowan. Wow, the two of you are more alike than you know!

Not my point at all
Shaw is a integral part never said otherwise his voice is easy to replicate was all I was saying

[Boomchild]

He deserves no critique at all.

Anybody who hires a singer because he can clone the original vocal deserves such critique.

Anyone could sing like Shaw big deal, I could go on stage with Dennis and sing all the Shaw songs so could Brywool
Shaw has a nothing voice

So are you trying to say that Dennis was the only one in Styx that was a great singer? You can't be serious.

[Boomchild]

To me, that means that DDY shouldn't even touch Tommy's Styx songs - at all.

People have said the same thing about the current Styx. They shouldn't be doing songs that were contributed by Dennis. Basically Styx and DDY are now doing the same thing. I'm not saying that I agree agree with either one.

[StyxCollector]

To me, the major difference is that Dennis' show has been mainly about the songs he wrote until this change early in 2010. Adding three or four TS songs, while significant in its own way, doesn't drastically change the message of his show which has always celebrated Styx. Yes, he did solo things but let's not kid ourselves - Styx was the focus. His current show with the few TS songs is more like the old Styx experience.

Styx keeps only 3 or 4 Dennis songs in a normal set (not counting the special GI/Po8 shows), and emphasizes other things. They have for the most part avoided DDY songs or axed ones that didn't work. Adding DDY songs in (outside of the special shows) would impact their show in a way that would be - in my opinion - bigger than Dennis adding a handful of Tommy songs. And I'm being agnostic to who would sing any additional DDY songs (Gowan, TS, or JY).

Dennis participated in the creation of those TS songs as they existed in Styx. DDY has always liked to play them, and he has finally taken that step in his solo show. I just don't understand the outrage. BOTH bands have hired guns in the majority of roles. To say Styx has more right to have Gowan singing Dennis' songs or Dennis hiring someone to sing one of his former bandmate's songs is basically the same ... in the end, a wash. I think people are arguing for the sake of hearing themselves argue on this point. Both Gowan (even though is voice may not always be suited to a song) and August treat the source material - and their creators - with respect. I've never seen anything that would lead me to believe the contrary.

[froy]

Boomchild

So are you trying to say that Dennis was the only one in Styx that was a great singer? You can't be serious.

nope just saying he is easy to cover

[Monker]

To me, that means that DDY shouldn't even touch Tommy's Styx songs - at all.

People have said the same thing about the current Styx.

Liar.

Prove it. Where are the posts that say that anybody can replace DDY because his vocals are so easy to cover? That is just nuts. And, it's nuts to say the same about Tommy.

They shouldn't be doing songs that were contributed by Dennis

Well, according to some here, Dennis contributed to ALL Styx songs. So, I spose that means you agree with the froydian logic that Styx shouldn't do any Styx songs, and Dennis can do whatever he chooses.

But, by that same fucked up froydian logic, JY contributed to ALL Styx songs, so DDY shouldn't be doing any either.

So, froydian logic clearly states that both Styx and DDY should just stop performing.

[froy]

goof said

Well, according to some here, Dennis contributed to ALL Styx songs.

He did what's the problem?

So, I spouse that means you agree with the froydian logic that Styx shouldn't do any Styx songs,

Drunk Monk?

[Boomchild]

To me, that means that DDY shouldn't even touch Tommy's Styx songs - at all.

People have said the same thing about the current Styx.

Liar.

Prove it. Where are the posts that say that anybody can replace DDY because his vocals are so easy to cover? That is just nuts. And, it's nuts to say the same about Tommy.

They shouldn't be doing songs that were contributed by Dennis

Well, according to some here, Dennis contributed to ALL Styx songs. So, I spose that means you agree with the froydian logic that Styx shouldn't do any Styx songs, and Dennis can do whatever he chooses.

But, by that same fucked up froydian logic, JY contributed to ALL Styx songs, so DDY shouldn't be doing any either.

So, froydian logic clearly states that both Styx and DDY should just stop performing.

Read my post again. I was saying that some people feel that the current Styx shouldn't have someone else performing songs that were contributed by Dennis. Not that they have a sound-a-like. I also clearly stated that I'm not supporting either argument. With the way you cut up my post you are making it look like I said something I didn't.

[froy]

"Boomchild

Read my post again. I was saying that some people feel that the current Styx shouldn't have someone else performing songs that were contributed by Dennis. Not that they have a sound-a-like. I also clearly stated that I'm not supporting either argument. With the way you cut up my post you are making it look like I said something I didn't.

You mean he took your words out of context? No not Monkey. He would never do that.

[Boomchild]

"Boomchild

Read my post again. I was saying that some people feel that the current Styx shouldn't have someone else performing songs that were contributed by Dennis. Not that they have a sound-a-like. I also clearly stated that I'm not supporting either argument. With the way you cut up my post you are making it look like I said something I didn't.

You mean he took your words out of context? No not Monkey. He would never do that.

Sure appears that way.

[Abitaman]

I'd love to see Dennis back with Lawrence doing keyboards/third guitar. (Dennis has said that he doesn't want to play full time keyboard anymore)

Its a nice gesture but Glen would be the 3rd guitar and Chuck would go back to bass,
Steve Smith would be the drummer.

TODD stays on drums.

[cittadeeno23]

There is no way Gowan and Dennis exist in the same group!
I love Steve Smith. What is he up to these days? But I have no problem with Todd.

I say Glen on bass (and vocals!) and Chuck shows up when he is up to it.
Gowan can be the opening act!

[froy]

I'd love to see Dennis back with Lawrence doing keyboards/third guitar. (Dennis has said that he doesn't want to play full time keyboard anymore)

Its a nice gesture but Glen would be the 3rd guitar and Chuck would go back to bass,
Steve Smith would be the drummer.

TODD stays on drums.

Over Steve Smith not in a lifetime
It would be a Super group again with Smitty on drums
The only ones to remain from this lineup would be JY Shaw and Chuck all other baggage goes.

[froy]

"cittadeeno23"


Gowan can be the opening act!

Fine let him open the show . I never see opening acts anyway

[Monker]

I'd love to see Dennis back with Lawrence doing keyboards/third guitar. (Dennis has said that he doesn't want to play full time keyboard anymore)

Its a nice gesture but Glen would be the 3rd guitar and Chuck would go back to bass,
Steve Smith would be the drummer.

TODD stays on drums.

Over Steve Smith not in a lifetime
It would be a Super group again with Smitty on drums
The only ones to remain from this lineup would be JY Shaw and Chuck all other baggage goes.

Steve Smith has no desire to even rejoin Journey, or the Storm...it is just nutty to suggest he be in Styx, or any other rock band. He put his Jazz career at risk once for the Journey reunion...I can't imagine him ever doing that again.

Todd is the closest you will ever get to Steve Smith in Styx. He's awesome. They don't need anybody new on drums.

[froy]

I'd love to see Dennis back with Lawrence doing keyboards/third guitar. (Dennis has said that he doesn't want to play full time keyboard anymore)

Its a nice gesture but Glen would be the 3rd guitar and Chuck would go back to bass,
Steve Smith would be the drummer.

TODD stays on drums.

Over Steve Smith not in a lifetime
It would be a Super group again with Smitty on drums
The only ones to remain from this lineup would be JY Shaw and Chuck all other baggage goes.

Steve Smith has no desire to even rejoin Journey, or the Storm...it is just nutty to suggest he be in Styx, or any other rock band. He put his Jazz career at risk once for the Journey reunion...I can't imagine him ever doing that again.

Todd is the closest you will ever get to Steve Smith in Styx. He's awesome. They don't need anybody new on drums.

It's just time for a brand new STYX band. New attitudes new faces and the best drummer in the world.

[Archetype]

I'd love to see Dennis back with Lawrence doing keyboards/third guitar. (Dennis has said that he doesn't want to play full time keyboard anymore)

Its a nice gesture but Glen would be the 3rd guitar and Chuck would go back to bass,
Steve Smith would be the drummer.

TODD stays on drums.

Over Steve Smith not in a lifetime
It would be a Super group again with Smitty on drums
The only ones to remain from this lineup would be JY Shaw and Chuck all other baggage goes.

Steve Smith has no desire to even rejoin Journey, or the Storm...it is just nutty to suggest he be in Styx, or any other rock band. He put his Jazz career at risk once for the Journey reunion...I can't imagine him ever doing that again.

Todd is the closest you will ever get to Steve Smith in Styx. He's awesome. They don't need anybody new on drums.

It's just time for a brand new STYX band. New attitudes new faces and the best drummer in the world.

Why not Mike Portnoy? I bet he would be more inclined to do it.

[Monker]

I'd love to see Dennis back with Lawrence doing keyboards/third guitar. (Dennis has said that he doesn't want to play full time keyboard anymore)

Its a nice gesture but Glen would be the 3rd guitar and Chuck would go back to bass,
Steve Smith would be the drummer.

TODD stays on drums.

Over Steve Smith not in a lifetime
It would be a Super group again with Smitty on drums
The only ones to remain from this lineup would be JY Shaw and Chuck all other baggage goes.

Steve Smith has no desire to even rejoin Journey, or the Storm...it is just nutty to suggest he be in Styx, or any other rock band. He put his Jazz career at risk once for the Journey reunion...I can't imagine him ever doing that again.

Todd is the closest you will ever get to Steve Smith in Styx. He's awesome. They don't need anybody new on drums.

It's just time for a brand new STYX band. New attitudes new faces and the best drummer in the world.

If all you want is a bunch of new faces in Styx then keep seeing DDY in concert...and keep your strange fantasies on that side of the river.

[froy]

"Monker"

If all you want is a bunch of new faces in Styx then keep seeing DDY in concert..

Ah so you admit Dennis DeYoung is STYX you have finally seen the light

[Babyblue]

"Monker"

If all you want is a bunch of new faces in Styx then keep seeing DDY in concert..

Ah so you admit Dennis DeYoung is STYX you have finally seen the light

You are still out of your mind i see.

[G.I.Jim]

Not bashing here, but I would MUCH rather pay to see DDY sing with his band (who sounds more like STYX than STYX these days), than I would pay to hear Shaw's version of the band. Gowan is an AWESOME keyboardist/pianist, but his vocals suck ASS on the DDY songs! I like his original songs, but IMHO, he should just find a new band and pursue his own solo material. I'd buy it in a heartbeat, but he can't come close to covering Dennis vocally.

To me, DDY still has an amazing voice, and his singer sounds MUCH more like Tommy than Gowan sounds like Dennis. What else is there to argue about? IMHO, if anyone wants to hear "STYX", Dennis's band is the best option. I'd pay out the ass to see these guys if they came down here. JUST SAYING!

I've seen Gowan's "STYX" a couple of times, and while it was very entertaining... it wasn't STYX in my mind! Just my $.02.

[Everett]

Too bad jimbo your gonna miss an awesome show this fall with the grand illusion & pieces of eight albums.

[G.I.Jim]

Too bad jimbo your gonna miss an awesome show this fall with the grand illusion & pieces of eight albums.

No... I won't.

[froy]

Too bad jimbo your gonna miss an awesome show this fall with the grand illusion & pieces of eight albums.

Shut up Everett

[Babyblue]

Too bad jimbo your gonna miss an awesome show this fall with the grand illusion & pieces of eight albums.

Shut up Everett

Leave him alone


Fred i know you are best buddies with Jm now.

[Everett]

Too bad jimbo your gonna miss an awesome show this fall with the grand illusion & pieces of eight albums.

Shut up Everett

Classic froy. Man i hope we get to meet up next month

[froy]

Too bad jimbo your gonna miss an awesome show this fall with the grand illusion & pieces of eight albums.

Shut up Everett

Classic froy. Man i hope we get to meet up next month

What's next month?

[Babyblue]

Too bad jimbo your gonna miss an awesome show this fall with the grand illusion & pieces of eight albums.

Shut up Everett

Classic froy. Man i hope we get to meet up next month

What's next month?

Like you don't know