Update on Hannah's Items

[StyxCollector]

Please, you're a collector, you're not thinking past that!!

You don't know the first thing about me.

[Zan]

Maybe they're not family treasures. Maybe Tommy has 6 more of each one just like them at his place. "Things" have meaning for certain periods of time. Sometimes, they stay meaningful, and sometimes, they lose their significance to those who possess them. Sometimes, something else comes along that has more value than the "thing," and you then have to make a choice of what's more important at that time.

Tommy could have 100 of them at his place and not
one of those hundred are the one he gave to her, his child, thee single biggest thrill of his life!!
Now, if you're going to compare these objects with human life then no, they're insignificant!!
But then you're talking to a girl who cried when she had to hand over her original SS card, signed
in her little girl handwriting ...and I'm noone!! :cry:[/quote]


You're making assumptions again. You don't know the conditions in which these were given to her, you don't the reasons for which she is selling them, and you're assuming that everyone is as sentimental as you are about everything.

[Saint John]

I can tell you from my e-mails with her that Hannah saw what was posted here.

With any luck, she saw the humor in what I posted and didn't act like an uptight dope like someone else.

Do you really think she likes reading that someone thinks - even in jest - thinks she may have a drug problem?

I'm gonna give her the benefit of the doubt and assume that she has enough backbone to deflect what everyone else was able to recognize as an innocent wisecrack.


Granted, I could be wrong, but you're really starting to come across like some overly engrossed Styx fan who feels the need to be more sensitive than a lambskin condom when it comes to anything related to the Styx guys. Your "Shame on you!" bullshit fear tactics ain't gonna work here. Just a heads up.

[Michigan Girl]

Maybe they're not family treasures. Maybe Tommy has 6 more of each one just like them at his place. "Things" have meaning for certain periods of time. Sometimes, they stay meaningful, and sometimes, they lose their significance to those who possess them. Sometimes, something else comes along that has more value than the "thing," and you then have to make a choice of what's more important at that time.

Tommy could have 100 of them at his place and not
one of those hundred are the one he gave to her, his child, thee single biggest thrill of his life!!
Now, if you're going to compare these objects with human life then no, they're insignificant!!
But then you're talking to a girl who cried when she had to hand over her original SS card, signed
in her little girl handwriting ...and I'm noone!! :cry:

You're making assumptions again. You don't know the conditions in which these were given to her, you don't the reasons for which she is selling them, and you're assuming that everyone is as sentimental as you are about everything.

Me?!?! I'm posting my thoughts/feelings on the subject ...you're the one who came up with
the possibility of a back~up collection at Tommy's place ...if I had known there was more than one,
this conversation would've been over posts ago ...

How did you eff up the quotes?!?!

[Michigan Girl]

Please, you're a collector, you're not thinking past that!!

You don't know the first thing about me.

True ...and you me!!
Sorry ...this was an assumption!!

[StyxCollector]

With any luck, she saw the humor in what I posted and didn't act like an uptight dope like someone else.

She didn't find it humorous at all.

Granted, I could be wrong, but you're really starting to come across like some overly engrossed Styx fan who feels the need to be more sensitive than a lambskin condom when it comes to anything related to the Styx guys. Your "Shame on you!" bullshit fear tactics ain't gonna work here. Just a heads up.

I usually don't give a flying fuck. I've met the guys and I don't put them on a pedistal - they're just people like you and me. I treat them like I would want to be treated if I see them (and I've run into some of them in non-music situations). To be dead honest, I don't really think about Styx all that much these days. I'm too busy otherwise.

I've interacted with Hannah in the past and she's as nice as can be. Unlike some people's heroes, she's not in the limelight. She may be selling items, but that's it. For people to speculate about her as well as her relationship with her Dad is pointless. Because she's trying to find a good home for things, and I know where Styx fans go, I posted the list here. So yeah, I will defend her because she's done nothing wrong here.

Call Tommy Shaw or Dennis DeYoung an asshole all day long here (well, that happens lol) - I don't think either would take too kindly to fodder about their kids.

[StyxCollector]

Please, you're a collector, you're not thinking past that!!

You don't know the first thing about me.

True ...and you me!!
Sorry ...this was an assumption!!

Because ALL I do every day, 24x7, is look for new Styx items. Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

[SuiteMadameBlue]

Obviously no one read my post in the other thread regarding the Ebay sales.......

Holy cow, some of you on here don't have a clue.

Do you think Tommy would open up his own Ebay account selling items. Um, I'm pretty sure they didn't have any falling out, it's just a daughter helping her Dad sell some stuff on Ebay that he no longer wants.

I know a few musicians that have other people sell stuff for them (one a family member is selling and another a friend that has day to sell stuff for them). They no longer want/need a few items and they want fans that would appreciate these items to have them.

I also know for a fact that there is a musician who had a friend sell some items for him and all the money went to a charity. And also the same person sold some cool items and all the money went to a person and his family for his cancer treatments, he didn't have insurance (he ended up passing away a few years after). That person that sold the stuff didn't take any cut from the selling.

[Michigan Girl]

Please, you're a collector, you're not thinking past that!!

You don't know the first thing about me.

True ...and you me!!
Sorry ...this was an assumption!!

Because ALL I do every day, 24x7, is look for new Styx items. Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

lol ...I have no clue!!


Seriously ...if I had read SMB's post ^^^^I'da had nothing ...I do have something
to say to Born for Adventure in the other thread though!!

[Saint John]

I usually don't give a flying fuck. I've met the guys and I don't put them on a pedistal - they're just people like you and me. I treat them like I would want to be treated if I see them (and I've run into some of them in non-music situations). To be dead honest, I don't really think about Styx all that much these days. I'm too busy otherwise.

I've interacted with Hannah in the past and she's as nice as can be. Unlike some people's heroes, she's not in the limelight. She may be selling items, but that's it. For people to speculate about her as well as her relationship with her Dad is pointless. Because she's trying to find a good home for things, and I know where Styx fans go, I posted the list here. So yeah, I will defend her because she's done nothing wrong here.

Call Tommy Shaw or Dennis DeYoung an asshole all day long here (well, that happens lol) - I don't think either would take too kindly to fodder about their kids.

You continue to miss the point. There was no intent to hurt, humiliate or trash anyone's reputation, and that was more than pointed out. If a slapstick post or the mere speculation that she *may* be estranged from her father is gonna get you and/or her all riled up, I would suggest that you stray away from the internet and tune in to the Cartoon Network.

[Saint John]

Obviously no one read my post in the other thread regarding the Ebay sales.......

Holy cow, some of you on here don't have a clue.

Do you think Tommy would open up his own Ebay account selling items. Um, I'm pretty sure they didn't have any falling out, it's just a daughter helping her Dad sell some stuff on Ebay that he no longer wants.

I know a few musicians that have other people sell stuff for them (one a family member is selling and another a friend that has day to sell stuff for them). They no longer want/need a few items and they want fans that would appreciate these items to have them.

I also know for a fact that there is a musician who had a friend sell some items for him and all the money went to a charity. And also the same person sold some cool items and all the money went to a person and his family for his cancer treatments, he didn't have insurance (he ended up passing away a few years after). That person that sold the stuff didn't take any cut from the selling.

This all makes perfect sense to me. But I still don't think people need to go to Defcom 1 (not referring to you) because of some innocent offhand comments.

[StyxCollector]

You continue to miss the point. There was no intent to hurt, humiliate or trash anyone's reputation, and that was more than pointed out. If a slapstick post or the mere speculation that she *may* be estranged from her father is gonna get you and/or her all riled up, I would suggest that you stray away from the internet and tune in to the Cartoon Network.

The point is, she didn't take kindly to it so even though you had no intent, it wound up having the opposite effect. I'm a sarcastic guy and dish quite a bit, but there are lines that just shouldn't be crossed. I think people's kids is one of them.

[Michigan Girl]

I agree w/SJ, SC ...


Hannah ...if you're reading, it was concern that ignited this discussion!!
Please forgive, SJ!!!

[Zan]

Some of the rudest, most insensitive remarks have been made under the guise of "innocent joking." The excuse is as old as it is unacceptable.

[Zan]

I agree w/SJ, SC ...


Hannah ...if you're reading, it was concern that ignited this discussion!!
Please forgive, SJ!!!

Concern about....imaginary possibilities created in the heads of fans.

[Saint John]

The point is, she didn't take kindly to it so even though you had no intent, it wound up having the opposite effect.

I've already addressed the topic and anything beyond that, I'll be honest, I really don't give a shit at this point.

I'm a sarcastic guy and dish quite a bit, but there are lines that just shouldn't be crossed. I think people's kids is one of them.

... now you're playing the "kids" card. She's 23 and I'm certain that a wisecrack won't render her sleepless.

[Michigan Girl]

I agree w/SJ, SC ...


Hannah ...if you're reading, it was concern that ignited this discussion!!
Please forgive, SJ!!!

Concern about....imaginary possibilities created in the heads of fans.

Yes ...much like the imaginary award factory at Tommy's place!!

[Zan]

I agree w/SJ, SC ...


Hannah ...if you're reading, it was concern that ignited this discussion!!
Please forgive, SJ!!!

Concern about....imaginary possibilities created in the heads of fans.

Yes ...much like the imaginary award factory at Tommy's place!!

Do you honestly believe it is the same thing, my "hypothetical" counter to the sentimental bullshit? Please tell me you're taking the piss.

[StyxCollector]

... now you're playing the "kids" card. She's 23 and I'm certain that a wisecrack won't render her sleepless.

I don't care if she's 2 or 23. We were not talking about her losing sleep.

This is the last I'm going to say before I bow out and let the lunatics finally take over the asylum.

[Keiferb]

... now you're playing the "kids" card. She's 23 and I'm certain that a wisecrack won't render her sleepless.

I don't care if she's 2 or 23. We were not talking about her losing sleep.

This is the last I'm going to say before I bow out and let the lunatics finally take over the asylum.

All we need is a BB "Gowan Rocks!", and a Froydian "He's a goof", and this thread's complete.

A bit of interesting interaction on what started out as an innocuous subject about old crap being available on E-bay.

[Michigan Girl]

I agree w/SJ, SC ...


Hannah ...if you're reading, it was concern that ignited this discussion!!
Please forgive, SJ!!!

Concern about....imaginary possibilities created in the heads of fans.

Yes ...much like the imaginary award factory at Tommy's place!!

Do you honestly believe it is the same thing, my "hypothetical" counter to the sentimental bullshit? Please tell me you're taking the piss.

Please tell me you are ...

[Zan]

I agree w/SJ, SC ...


Hannah ...if you're reading, it was concern that ignited this discussion!!
Please forgive, SJ!!!

Concern about....imaginary possibilities created in the heads of fans.

Yes ...much like the imaginary award factory at Tommy's place!!

Do you honestly believe it is the same thing, my "hypothetical" counter to the sentimental bullshit? Please tell me you're taking the piss.

Please tell me you are ...

Oh brother. But because I'm in the mood to hit my face against a brick wall, I'll explain:

You were going on about how these were "family treasures" (assumption) and how you would be concerned if your child was getting rid of family treasures like this - while also presuming that Tommy "needs to communicate with his daughter" (assuming he hasn't been). I was only trying to illustrate what was presumptuous about these comments by giving examples of how they might not be "treasures" to the Shaw clan, that's all. I have no idea how many (if any) "gold records" Tommy has in his home, or if he cares about them at all. Maybe he does, maybe he doesn't. Maybe he gave them to Hannah when she was a baby, maybe Pamela got them in the divorce, maybe he gave them to her last month to sell FOR him, Maybe she stole them out of Dennis DeYoung's trunk one day in 1998. Maybe it's none of the above.

My point is and was that you have no way of knowing the motivations behind these sales, or whether or not they are "sentimental" to any of the parties involved.

[Michigan Girl]

I agree w/SJ, SC ...


Hannah ...if you're reading, it was concern that ignited this discussion!!
Please forgive, SJ!!!

Concern about....imaginary possibilities created in the heads of fans.

Yes ...much like the imaginary award factory at Tommy's place!!

Do you honestly believe it is the same thing, my "hypothetical" counter to the sentimental bullshit? Please tell me you're taking the piss.

Please tell me you are ...

Oh brother. But because I'm in the mood to hit my face against a brick wall, I'll explain:

You were going on about how these were "family treasures" (assumption) and how you would be concerned if your child was getting rid of family treasures like this. I was only trying to illustrate what was presumptuous about these comments by giving examples of how they might not be "treasures" to the Shaw clan, that's all. I have no idea how many (if any) "gold records" Tommy has in his home, or if he cares about them at all. Maybe he does, maybe he doesn't. Maybe he gave them to Hannah when she was a baby, maybe Pamela got them in the divorce, maybe he gave them to her last month to sell FOR him, Maybe she stole them out of Dennis DeYoung's trunk one day in 1998. Maybe it's none of the above.

My point is and was that you have no way of knowing the motivations behind these sales, or whether or not they are "sentimental" to any of the parties involved.

WOW!! I meant ... please tell me it was obvious that I was joking/taking the piss ...don't hurt yourself

[Zan]

WOW!! I meant ... please tell me it was obvious that I was joking/taking the piss ...don't hurt yourself

Fair enough. It's a draw.
I'm in a pissy mood anyway. I'll post that in another thread. Don't want what's bothering me tainted with the crap from this thread. lol

[Michigan Girl]

WOW!! I meant ... please tell me it was obvious that I was joking/taking the piss ...don't hurt yourself

Fair enough. It's a draw.
I'm in a pissy mood anyway. I'll post that in another thread. Don't want what's bothering me tainted with the crap from this thread. lol

I read ...so sorry!!

[Rockwriter]

And some wonder why people like Tommy don't bother interacting with their fans anymore.

Seriously! If I were him I think I'd want to kick someone's ass.

It still somehow surprises me what utterly classless, graceless morons some people are. Sad.


Sterling

[Rockwriter]

And some wonder why people like Tommy don't bother interacting with their fans anymore.

It would please me if he'd just interact w/his daughter and keep these treasures in the family where they belong ...or a public facility for all fans to enjoy!! Other than that, I've never wondered ...

Maybe it would please them if fans would just stop making ignorant assumptions about their personal lives.

I feel certain of it ...the fact remains; if my child were selling off family treasures, I would question it as well!!

Well, you're seeing it from a fan's perspective, not Tommy's. Do you realize how much of this kind of shit he probably has? Maybe these aren't "family treasures" to him, maybe it's old stuff he doesn't want anymore. To him there is probably not that much more sentimental value in this stuff than there would be to me if I sold off my old reading award certificates from third grade or something. What's he gonna do, put an old award from Deutschland up on his wall and stare at it? Or awards for songs he dislikes so much that he refuses to play them? Kinda unlikely.

Also, did it occur to anyone here that maybe Tommy gave his blessing for this stuff to be sold?

[Rockwriter]

With any luck, she saw the humor in what I posted and didn't act like an uptight dope like someone else.

She didn't find it humorous at all.

Granted, I could be wrong, but you're really starting to come across like some overly engrossed Styx fan who feels the need to be more sensitive than a lambskin condom when it comes to anything related to the Styx guys. Your "Shame on you!" bullshit fear tactics ain't gonna work here. Just a heads up.

I usually don't give a flying fuck. I've met the guys and I don't put them on a pedistal - they're just people like you and me. I treat them like I would want to be treated if I see them (and I've run into some of them in non-music situations). To be dead honest, I don't really think about Styx all that much these days. I'm too busy otherwise.

I've interacted with Hannah in the past and she's as nice as can be. Unlike some people's heroes, she's not in the limelight. She may be selling items, but that's it. For people to speculate about her as well as her relationship with her Dad is pointless. Because she's trying to find a good home for things, and I know where Styx fans go, I posted the list here. So yeah, I will defend her because she's done nothing wrong here.

Call Tommy Shaw or Dennis DeYoung an asshole all day long here (well, that happens lol) - I don't think either would take too kindly to fodder about their kids.

Exactly! Jesus Christ, people, even the Mafia leaves peoples' kids out of it. Tommy, Dennis, JY, et al . . . those guys signed up for a certain amount of bullshit when they signed a record contract. That's the deal with the Devil. Their families did not sign up for it.

Surely that can't be hard to understand.


Sterling

[Saint John]

Settle down, Sterling. Nobody's kids were attacked in any way, shape or form ... regardless of how much you try to convince yourself otherwise.

[SuiteMadameBlue]

Please, you're a collector, you're not thinking past that!!

You don't know the first thing about me.

True ...and you me!!
Sorry ...this was an assumption!!

Because ALL I do every day, 24x7, is look for new Styx items. Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

lol ...I have no clue!!


Seriously ...if I had read SMB's post ^^^^I'da had nothing ...I do have something
to say to Born for Adventure in the other thread though!!

I posted that information in the other thread that no one went back to

I do know that band members/families visit this site, not often like they use to. I also know that members from other bands check out these forums too at times. Some do giggle at times.