OFFICIAL 2010-2011 NFL season & predictions thread:

[YoungJRNY]

Anybody see that WORTHLESS piece of turd of a quarterback named Jay Cutler and his post game press conference?! The guy loses games for his team more often than he wins them and turns in 4 INT performances routinely. He threw 4 INTS, A-L-L to cornerback DeAngello Hall. Yes, that's right. 4 of them to the same guy. Instead of wallowing in his own disgusting excuse of a QB, he says the following:

"I've played against Hall before and I see no reason not to go after him every time. I know it's hard to say that after throwing 4 interceptions, but if we play tomorrow, I wouldn't shy away from going after him all day."

Someone needs to shut this fat fucks mouth by pissing in his shampoo bottle and force feed it to him after that comment. This dude portrays the worst leader and the biggest crybaby in all that I've ever seen at the position and his act isn't fooling me. What a tool. If the Bears had any sense, they'd drop this low life and head in a different direction but the Cutler era in football is disgraceful judging the hype around the guy.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdo ... nfl-279578

Perhaps the Bears should trade for Hall and convert him into a WR? Maybe Cutler will complete more of his passes that way.

Well played, sir.

[Enigma869]

Anybody see that WORTHLESS piece of turd of a quarterback named Jay Cutler and his post game press conference?! The guy loses games for his team more often than he wins them and turns in 4 INT performances routinely. He threw 4 INTS, A-L-L to cornerback DeAngello Hall. Yes, that's right. 4 of them to the same guy. Instead of wallowing in his own disgusting excuse of a QB, he says the following:

"I've played against Hall before and I see no reason not to go after him every time. I know it's hard to say that after throwing 4 interceptions, but if we play tomorrow, I wouldn't shy away from going after him all day."

Someone needs to shut this fat fucks mouth by pissing in his shampoo bottle and force feed it to him after that comment. This dude portrays the worst leader and the biggest crybaby in all that I've ever seen at the position and his act isn't fooling me. What a tool. If the Bears had any sense, they'd drop this low life and head in a different direction but the Cutler era in football is disgraceful judging the hype around the guy.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdo ... nfl-279578

I've always hated Jay Cutler. He has a lot of Carson Palmer in him with a FAR worse attitude.

[Enigma869]

What are the odds that Favre doesn't start next week, thus snapping his streak on his own before the Commissioner does?

I'd bet my life on it. Honestly, it wouldn't even surprise me if someone in the NFL front office has gotten a message to him that Goodell has zero interest in ending his streak but may have no choice, in light of Favre texting his cock over the airwaves

[Ehwmatt]

What are the odds that Favre doesn't start next week, thus snapping his streak on his own before the Commissioner does?

I'd bet my life on it. Honestly, it wouldn't even surprise me if someone in the NFL front office has gotten a message to him that Goodell has zero interest in ending his streak but may have no choice, in light of Favre texting his cock over the airwaves

Now he's got a stress fracture... right

Vikings coach Brad Childress revealed at his press conference Monday that Brett Favre is in a walking boot. An MRI revealed Favre has two fractures in his ankle: an avulsion fracture and stress fracture. They will not require surgery.

It's worth noting the injuries can't be overly devastating, because Childress wouldn't rule anything out about Favre's status this week, calling him "day to day."

Asked if Favre has to practice for a chance to play against the Patriots, Childress indicated most players have to practice to play. Childress said Favre wouldn't necessarily get more leeway than anyone else in deciding his status. The coach isn't worried about Favre's starting streak.

I'm not buying this for a second. He knows it's time to duck and run.

[lights1961]

What are the odds that Favre doesn't start next week, thus snapping his streak on his own before the Commissioner does?

I'd bet my life on it. Honestly, it wouldn't even surprise me if someone in the NFL front office has gotten a message to him that Goodell has zero interest in ending his streak but may have no choice, in light of Favre texting his cock over the airwaves

Now he's got a stress fracture... right

Vikings coach Brad Childress revealed at his press conference Monday that Brett Favre is in a walking boot. An MRI revealed Favre has two fractures in his ankle: an avulsion fracture and stress fracture. They will not require surgery.

It's worth noting the injuries can't be overly devastating, because Childress wouldn't rule anything out about Favre's status this week, calling him "day to day."

Asked if Favre has to practice for a chance to play against the Patriots, Childress indicated most players have to practice to play. Childress said Favre wouldn't necessarily get more leeway than anyone else in deciding his status. The coach isn't worried about Favre's starting streak.

I'm not buying this for a second. He knows it's time to duck and run.

dang... retire now Bret... but first resign with a one day packer contract so you can get to the hall of fame a packer...and thank all the right people who helped you get there..

[YoungJRNY]

Can the Favre ship be sinking faster than the Titanic? Holy shit am I glad I'm NOT a Vikings fan.

[Everett]

dang... retire now Bret... but first resign with a one day packer contract so you can get to the hall of fame a packer...and thank all the right people who helped you get there..

Yeah good luck with that rick

[Everett]

Can the Favre ship be sinking faster than the Titanic? Holy shit am I glad I'm NOT a Vikings fan.

+1 brady and company are gonna hand them their asses on sunday.

[Enigma869]

brady and company are gonna hand them their asses on sunday.

I wouldn't count on this becoming a reality. Truth be told, if the Vikings don't win on Sunday, their season is OVER and desperate teams are always tough to beat. It's the only reason I'm picking the Cowgirls to beat the Giants tonight.

[Don]

Anybody see that WORTHLESS piece of turd of a quarterback named Jay Cutler and his post game press conference?! The guy loses games for his team more often than he wins them and turns in 4 INT performances routinely. He threw 4 INTS, A-L-L to cornerback DeAngello Hall. Yes, that's right. 4 of them to the same guy. Instead of wallowing in his own disgusting excuse of a QB, he says the following:

"I've played against Hall before and I see no reason not to go after him every time. I know it's hard to say that after throwing 4 interceptions, but if we play tomorrow, I wouldn't shy away from going after him all day."

Someone needs to shut this fat fucks mouth by pissing in his shampoo bottle and force feed it to him after that comment. This dude portrays the worst leader and the biggest crybaby in all that I've ever seen at the position and his act isn't fooling me. What a tool. If the Bears had any sense, they'd drop this low life and head in a different direction but the Cutler era in football is disgraceful judging the hype around the guy.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdo ... nfl-279578

I got to see a lot of Denver games here in L.A. when Cutler was at the helm and can honestly say he chokes under pressure. Denver actually had an offensive line that protected him and the guy still made bone head decisions. If he only had to play on a sixty yard field between the two 20 yard markers, he might be decent but start him inside his own 20 or let him get in the opponents 20 and he falls apart and becomes a human turnover machine.

[Rockindeano]

Haters and Fools- all of you. Fuck you all.

To you Favre haters(Ewhamatt, Enigma, YoungJrny, etc) reveling in the results of last night. The guy threw three picks yes, but did you also see his other touchdown pass that was inexplicably reversed? Huh? I am never one to blame an official like Trav always does when the Stealers lose, but no way was that an incomplete pass. By the way, that cost the Vikings 4 points, the same amount of pointsa they lost by. Hmm.

To all you Favre haters saying he is faking this two fracture ankle injury. Shut up already. The guy has started every fucking game in his career, and is the toughest motherfucker to ever play in the NFL, and you turds are saying he is faking it? Ok. I bet you he does play next week....Chilly would be a lunatic not to use him. If he plays, I bet my bottom dollar they go into New England and win. And fuck you Everett. You should never be allowed to post in this thread, for you never have a point, and always make yourself look like an uneducated asshole. Go suck off Kevin Cronin.

To Ewmatt- dude, you make more sense than 90% of the folks here. Is your reasoning for Favre faking this injury due to your hatred of the guy? I can understand why you and others do hate him, but to insinuate that the iron man of the NFL fakes an injury is ludicris. How many of you cocksuckers were in disbelief when you saw the goal line judge raise his arms signaling touchdown after Favre nearly completed a 1st and 30 with a killer pump fake and a laser to the back of the end zone. "No way, not again" is what I bet you all muttered under your breath.

To Lights1961. You too can STFU, along with the rest of "Packer Nation." To hate on the greatest player to ever wear your colors is sickening. Perhaps Brett could have handled the situation differently, but yet we don't know the intracacies of what went down between McCarthy and Favre. I am shocked literally, that Lambeau didn't send that guy off to a standing ovation last night. Really, other sports do this. I have seen Wayne Gretzky sent off the ice in Edmonton with a 12 minute standing ovation when he was a Ranger and retiring. I have seen Boston of all places give Manny Ramirez a standing O, even when he wasn't yet retiring. Packer fan has to know this was probably Brett Favre's last game in the place he made relevent in the NFL. Remember Packer Fan, when you blowhards were pounding 56 oz beers and gnawing on 2 pound blocks of cheese, watching a buch of 3-13 or 4-12 teams before Atlanta sent you Favre? remember those days? Just because you are the best owners in the NFL, and you are by the way, doesn't exclude you from respecting players who gave their entire body and heart to YOUR franchise. It would have been a fitting moment had Lambeau sent Favre out with class last night.

Also, if anyone here thinks the league will bring down Favre on these pic texts, forget about it. Goodell is not going to fuck with a guy who at times is bigger than the game itself. Sterger isn't talking, presumably because she is going to get some hush money from #4, but that is just fine with the NFL. They have already said if Sterger doesn't cooperate, then the case is closed, no harm, no foul.

Last word, remember Bear, and Packer fan- Minnesota has played TERRIBLY, and is only 1.5 games out of first place. Don't tell me that Chicago or Green Bay isn't looking in their rear view mirror. This is why I think you will see Favre return Sunday, probably with a more conservative game plan(more AP and Gerhart), and go do NE in their crib, and keep their NFC Central hopes very much alive. GB plays the Jets next week. Um, loss. If Minnesota can score one on the road, they are basically tied for the division and very much alive.

[Rockindeano]

I got to see a lot of Denver games here in L.A. when Cutler was at the helm and can honestly say he chokes under pressure. Denver actually had an offensive line that protected him and the guy still made bone head decisions. If he only had to play on a sixty yard field between the two 20 yard markers, he might be decent but start him inside his own 20 or let him get in the opponents 20 and he falls apart and becomes a human turnover machine.

I agree Don, and am bewildered to his decision making, since dude attended and graduated, Vanderbilt for fuck's sake!

[mikemarrs]

the cowboys backs are against the wall so we will see if they come out and beat the giants tonight or implode like they always do......


games that will be very interesting next week....

packers vs. jets

vikings vs. patriots

steelers vs. saints

titans vs. chargers

[RossValoryRocks]

Haters and Fools- all of you. Fuck you all.

To you Favre haters(Ewhamatt, Enigma, YoungJrny, etc) reveling in the results of last night. The guy threw three picks yes, but did you also see his other touchdown pass that was inexplicably reversed? Huh? I am never one to blame an official like Trav always does when the Stealers lose, but no way was that an incomplete pass. By the way, that cost the Vikings 4 points, the same amount of pointsa they lost by. Hmm.

To all you Favre haters saying he is faking this two fracture ankle injury. Shut up already. The guy has started every fucking game in his career, and is the toughest motherfucker to ever play in the NFL, and you turds are saying he is faking it? Ok. I bet you he does play next week....Chilly would be a lunatic not to use him. If he plays, I bet my bottom dollar they go into New England and win. And fuck you Everett. You should never be allowed to post in this thread, for you never have a point, and always make yourself look like an uneducated asshole. Go suck off Kevin Cronin.

To Ewmatt- dude, you make more sense than 90% of the folks here. Is your reasoning for Favre faking this injury due to your hatred of the guy? I can understand why you and others do hate him, but to insinuate that the iron man of the NFL fakes an injury is ludicris. How many of you cocksuckers were in disbelief when you saw the goal line judge raise his arms signaling touchdown after Favre nearly completed a 1st and 30 with a killer pump fake and a laser to the back of the end zone. "No way, not again" is what I bet you all muttered under your breath.

To Lights1961. You too can STFU, along with the rest of "Packer Nation." To hate on the greatest player to ever wear your colors is sickening. Perhaps Brett could have handled the situation differently, but yet we don't know the intracacies of what went down between McCarthy and Favre. I am shocked literally, that Lambeau didn't send that guy off to a standing ovation last night. Really, other sports do this. I have seen Wayne Gretzky sent off the ice in Edmonton with a 12 minute standing ovation when he was a Ranger and retiring. I have seen Boston of all places give Manny Ramirez a standing O, even when he wasn't yet retiring. Packer fan has to know this was probably Brett Favre's last game in the place he made relevent in the NFL. Remember Packer Fan, when you blowhards were pounding 56 oz beers and gnawing on 2 pound blocks of cheese, watching a buch of 3-13 or 4-12 teams before Atlanta sent you Favre? remember those days? Just because you are the best owners in the NFL, and you are by the way, doesn't exclude you from respecting players who gave their entire body and heart to YOUR franchise. It would have been a fitting moment had Lambeau sent Favre out with class last night.

Also, if anyone here thinks the league will bring down Favre on these pic texts, forget about it. Goodell is not going to fuck with a guy who at times is bigger than the game itself. Sterger isn't talking, presumably because she is going to get some hush money from #4, but that is just fine with the NFL. They have already said if Sterger doesn't cooperate, then the case is closed, no harm, no foul.

Last word, remember Bear, and Packer fan- Minnesota has played TERRIBLY, and is only 1.5 games out of first place. Don't tell me that Chicago or Green Bay isn't looking in their rear view mirror. This is why I think you will see Favre return Sunday, probably with a more conservative game plan(more AP and Gerhart), and go do NE in their crib, and keep their NFC Central hopes very much alive. GB plays the Jets next week. Um, loss. If Minnesota can score one on the road, they are basically tied for the division and very much alive.

:::CHEER!:::: POST OF THE THREAD!

You know, here in Pittsburgh we saw the EXACT same thing happen with Terry Bradshaw. He blew out his elbow, and finished his career and was promptly savaged by the Yinzer-Nation for being dumb, weak and a quitter, forget he helmed one of the greatest teams in NFL history and brough 4 Super Bowl trophies to Pittsburgh...it took 20 years almost for things to be smoothed over.

It was a shame what this town did to Bradshaw and it is disgusting what Greenbay is doing to Favre.

[YoungJRNY]

To you Favre haters(Ewhamatt, Enigma, YoungJrny, etc) reveling in the results of last night

Dean, what the fuck are you even talking about? Are you drunk? I am the biggest Favre apologist here other than you and did NOTHING but back the guys since I can even remember. Go through the numerous pages in this very fucking thread and see that I've went to battle for Favre against John plenty of times and anyone else who ever wanted to bash him. Read just a few pages up to commonly see that I came to his defense AGAIN in this very debate and find every way to use his legend into his favor.


In fact, I was just arguin with John the other day that Favre could be top 5 on my list of all time greats because of the magic I see when he plays, regardless of his INT numbers or anything else for that matter, and you even chimed in with me on that subject.

I am never one to blame an official like Trav always does when the Stealers lose, but no way was that an incomplete pass.

I never blame the god damn referees when the Steelers lose. I've said it time and time again that I'll never--- EVER--- blame the refs for anything because a football team has MANY opportunities to win a football game during the coarse of the game rather than what the refs rule on one fuckin play. You might be getting a huge mix up with me when it's S2M who bitches about the refs, even when the dude's unconscious. [b(And wasn't it YOU who endless argues the REF'S blunders against the Steelers in Super Bowl XL? You look like a horse's ass when it comes to that when talking never blaming refs.


And if you can read, I never reveled in last nights game. I actually pointed out that all the Favre haters on here should come to respect and admire that pass Favre threw to to Percy Harvin last night that was ruled incomplete in the endzone. And for the record, that WAS an incomplete pass. Watch the replay, he didn't get his second foot down, it landed out of bounds= INCOMPLETE!

Here is what I said on that pass:

Everyone knows your stance on Favre, but how can you NOT love that throw to Harvin in the back of the end-zone? It couldn't of been anymore pinpoint. If Harvin gets his second foot down, Minny wins and Favre is heroic. Where's Greg Lewis when you need him?

You seriously piss me off. I don't know what your problem is tonight but your way off the mark with your entire first sentence. Don't make me dig through posts to make you look like a fool on my stance. I like Favre as much as you do, everyone knows I love Favre, but dude, take his scrotum out of your mouth, you're acting like he's your wife.

[RedWingFan]

I am shocked literally, that Lambeau didn't send that guy off to a standing ovation last night. Really, other sports do this. I have seen Wayne Gretzky sent off the ice in Edmonton with a 12 minute standing ovation when he was a Ranger and retiring.

Well maybe that's because Gretzky went to the owner and said, "you see, there's this hot piece of ass that I have in LA, and I really need you to trade me there. I know we had alot of great years, but I'd appreciate if you'd do this for me an make a deal."

That Dean is a class way to go!

Compare that with dickhead Favre's way.

Hold a fake retirement presser (in an effort to get released from your contract).
Let the Packers proclaim their excitement about starting the Rodgers era.
Drop hints about playing again.
Green Bay offers to fly out and hold another presser. Favre balks because he doesn't want to play for the Pack.
Wait until AFTER the draft and allow GB to draft 2 QB's instead of a more pressing need (intentionally hurting the organization).
Then declare that you want to come back.
Balk at the Packers offer to hold an equal shot in training camp at the starting job.

He did all this just to try to save face in GB, instead of being honest and saying he wanted to leave and play with the Vikings. Packers fans are absolutely just in booing this lying, backstabbing piece of crap! I loved it.

[Enigma869]

In fact, I was just arguin with John the other day that Favre could be top 5 on my list of all time greats

I can definitely confirm that Travis did indeed make this moronic argument!

[Rockindeano]

Haters and Fools- all of you. Fuck you all.

To you Favre haters(Ewhamatt, Enigma, YoungJrny, etc) reveling in the results of last night. The guy threw three picks yes, but did you also see his other touchdown pass that was inexplicably reversed? Huh? I am never one to blame an official like Trav always does when the Stealers lose, but no way was that an incomplete pass. By the way, that cost the Vikings 4 points, the same amount of pointsa they lost by. Hmm.

To all you Favre haters saying he is faking this two fracture ankle injury. Shut up already. The guy has started every fucking game in his career, and is the toughest motherfucker to ever play in the NFL, and you turds are saying he is faking it? Ok. I bet you he does play next week....Chilly would be a lunatic not to use him. If he plays, I bet my bottom dollar they go into New England and win. And fuck you Everett. You should never be allowed to post in this thread, for you never have a point, and always make yourself look like an uneducated asshole. Go suck off Kevin Cronin.

To Ewmatt- dude, you make more sense than 90% of the folks here. Is your reasoning for Favre faking this injury due to your hatred of the guy? I can understand why you and others do hate him, but to insinuate that the iron man of the NFL fakes an injury is ludicris. How many of you cocksuckers were in disbelief when you saw the goal line judge raise his arms signaling touchdown after Favre nearly completed a 1st and 30 with a killer pump fake and a laser to the back of the end zone. "No way, not again" is what I bet you all muttered under your breath.

To Lights1961. You too can STFU, along with the rest of "Packer Nation." To hate on the greatest player to ever wear your colors is sickening. Perhaps Brett could have handled the situation differently, but yet we don't know the intracacies of what went down between McCarthy and Favre. I am shocked literally, that Lambeau didn't send that guy off to a standing ovation last night. Really, other sports do this. I have seen Wayne Gretzky sent off the ice in Edmonton with a 12 minute standing ovation when he was a Ranger and retiring. I have seen Boston of all places give Manny Ramirez a standing O, even when he wasn't yet retiring. Packer fan has to know this was probably Brett Favre's last game in the place he made relevent in the NFL. Remember Packer Fan, when you blowhards were pounding 56 oz beers and gnawing on 2 pound blocks of cheese, watching a buch of 3-13 or 4-12 teams before Atlanta sent you Favre? remember those days? Just because you are the best owners in the NFL, and you are by the way, doesn't exclude you from respecting players who gave their entire body and heart to YOUR franchise. It would have been a fitting moment had Lambeau sent Favre out with class last night.

Also, if anyone here thinks the league will bring down Favre on these pic texts, forget about it. Goodell is not going to fuck with a guy who at times is bigger than the game itself. Sterger isn't talking, presumably because she is going to get some hush money from #4, but that is just fine with the NFL. They have already said if Sterger doesn't cooperate, then the case is closed, no harm, no foul.

Last word, remember Bear, and Packer fan- Minnesota has played TERRIBLY, and is only 1.5 games out of first place. Don't tell me that Chicago or Green Bay isn't looking in their rear view mirror. This is why I think you will see Favre return Sunday, probably with a more conservative game plan(more AP and Gerhart), and go do NE in their crib, and keep their NFC Central hopes very much alive. GB plays the Jets next week. Um, loss. If Minnesota can score one on the road, they are basically tied for the division and very much alive.

Dude what the fuck are you even talking about? Are you drunk? I am the biggest Favre apologist here other than you and did NOTHING but back the guys since I can even remember. Go through the numerous pages in this very fucking thread and see that I've went to battle for Favre against John plenty of times and anyone else who ever wanted to bash him. Read just a few pages up to commonly see that I came to his defense AGAIN in this very debate and find every way to use his legend into his favor. I never blame the god damn referees when the Steelers lose. I've said it time and time again that I'll never--- EVER--- blame the refs for anything because a football team has MANY opportunities to win a football game during the coarse of the game rather than what the refs rule on one fuckin play. You might be getting a huge mix up with me when it's S2M who bitches about the refs, even when the dude's unconscious. (And wasn't it YOU who endless argues the REF'S blunders against the Steelers in Super Bowl XL? You look like a horse's ass when it comes to that when talking never blaming refs.)

In fact, I was just arguin with John the other day that Favre could be top 5 on my list of all time greats because of the magic I see when he plays, regardless of his INT numbers or anything else for that matter, and you even chimed in with me on that subject.

And if you can read, I never reveled in last nights game. I actually pointed out that all the Favre haters on here should come to respect and admire that pass Favre threw to to Percy Harvin last night that was ruled incomplete in the endzone. Here is what I said:

Everyone knows your stance on Favre, but how can you NOT love that throw to Harvin in the back of the end-zone? It couldn't of been anymore pinpoint. If Harvin gets his second foot down, Minny wins and Favre is heroic. Where's Greg Lewis when you need him?

You seriously piss me off. I don't know what your problem is tonight but your way off the mark with your entire first sentence. Don't make me dig through posts to make you look like a fool on my stance. I like Favre as much as you do, everyone knows I love Favre, but dude, take his scrotum out of your mouth, you're acting like he's your wife.

I seriously do not know why I typed your name into my official "Fuck You" banter. Seriously, I know you are a Favre guy. So you don't have to spend half your evening digging up old Deano posts to prove me wrong. My bad.

[YoungJRNY]

In fact, I was just arguin with John the other day that Favre could be top 5 on my list of all time greats

I can definitely confirm that Travis did indeed make this moronic argument!

How can it be moronic when it's my own personal list? Unfortunately for you, Favre will go down as an all-time great no matter what you say or how much you hate him. It's just the way it is.

[RossValoryRocks]

In fact, I was just arguin with John the other day that Favre could be top 5 on my list of all time greats

I can definitely confirm that Travis did indeed make this moronic argument!

How can it be moronic when it it's my own personal list? Unfortunately for you, Favre will go down as an all-time great no matter what you say or how much you hate him. It's just the way it is.

He owns most of the statistically significant records (including INTs lets be honest here)...HOW could he ever NOT go down as one of the all time greats??

[YoungJRNY]

In fact, I was just arguin with John the other day that Favre could be top 5 on my list of all time greats

I can definitely confirm that Travis did indeed make this moronic argument!

How can it be moronic when it it's my own personal list? Unfortunately for you, Favre will go down as an all-time great no matter what you say or how much you hate him. It's just the way it is.

He owns most of the statistically significant records (including INTs lets be honest here)...HOW could he ever NOT go down as one of the all time greats??

John will tell you that he owns all of those T.D records because of his longevity and it doesn't count (for some reason, I think it makes it that much more impressive to last 20 years) but doesn't address the fact that he threw the many INT's in the game as well due to longevity. Favre's TD's/INT's go hand in hand when talking longevity so I don't want to hear it. Favre has led every team that he was on consistently to be a serious Super Bowl contender. He lost his team MANY games due to his style, but won many off his style as well and GB won a Super Bowl (and went to another) because of who he was and is. He was 2 picks away from being in 2 more Super Bowls in '07 and '09. He threw the picks, but he was one of the lone reasons those teams had a shot at the Super Bowl in the first place. Love him, hate him, shame him, rage against him, whatever, the dude is a legend.

[RedWingFan]

John will tell you that he owns all of those T.D records because of his longevity and it doesn't count (for some reason, I think it makes it that much more impressive to last 20 years) but doesn't address the fact that he threw the many INT's in the game as well due to longevity. Favre's TD's/INT's go hand in hand when talking longevity so I don't want to hear it. Favre has led every team that he was on consistently to be a serious Super Bowl contender. He lost his team MANY games due to his style, but won many off his style as well and GB won a Super Bowl (and went to another) because of who he was and is. He was 2 picks away from being in 2 more Super Bowls in '07 and '09. He threw the picks, but he was one of the lone reasons those teams had a shot at the Super Bowl in the first place. Love him, hate him, shame him, rage against him, whatever, the dude is a legend.

Dude was a good QB, Great? mmm...debatable. He had the luxury of playing virtually his entire a career while in his prime in the LOUSY NFC Central. Dude had his ticket pretty much punched for the playoffs every damn year!

And he only won one? This spells OVERRATED to me.
Even my boy Jim Plunkett has 2 rings and 1 SB MVP! And he's still not in the HOF!

[RossValoryRocks]

Dude was a good QB, Great? mmm...debatable. He had the luxury of playing virtually his entire a career while in his prime in the LOUSY NFC Central. Dude had his ticket pretty much punched for the playoffs every damn year!

And he only won one? This spells OVERRATED to me.
Even my boy Jim Plunkett has 2 rings and 1 SB MVP! And he's still not in the HOF!

Plunkett should be there...Stabler is...and Plunkett was as good or better than the Snake.

[Enigma869]

John will tell you that he owns all of those T.D records because of his longevity and it doesn't count

First of all, it's fact and not opinion that the records he has are based on longevity. I'll say it again...when Favre had completed his 17th season (the amount of seasons Marino played), he hadn't surpassed any of Mario's records. Also, I never said that his records don't count. What I have said and will still say is that the Favre ball washers of the world always conveniently forget to mention the fact that he has thrown more interceptions than ANY QB in the history of the NFL. That angle doesn't even bother me. What bothers me more than anything with Favre is that the clowns that worship this fucking tool act like he's never had a bad game when the reality is that NO QB in the history of the NFL has choked away more big games with horrible throws than Favre has. The "legend" doesn't match the results. That game last night was a perfect example of who Favre is. He makes some great throws and somehow manages to puke on his shoes when it matters most. I agree that when the book is closed on Favre, that he will be considered one of the best QB's of all time. That said, he isn't in my top 5 and I honestly don't know how ANYONE can put Favre in the top 5 of all time who have ever played the position. His records are what they are, but as I've said before, it's virtually impossible for a guy to play as long as Favre has played without ever missing a single game and not having the records he has. Even with all of his passing records, he will NEVER be in my top 5. I wouldn't even rank him ahead of Manning or Brady, and those are two guys who are still playing and putting up numbers. Beyond anything Favre has done on the field, I'm not sure why anyone would ever want the guy as a teammate. He is and always has been the consummate "me" guy, and that simply doesn't work in football.

He was 2 picks away from being in 2 more Super Bowls in '07 and '09. He threw the picks

Wow...imagine that...Favre threw picks to cost his team a trip to the Super Bowl. How unusual. I'm sure that nobody saw that coming!

[RedWingFan]

Dude was a good QB, Great? mmm...debatable. He had the luxury of playing virtually his entire a career while in his prime in the LOUSY NFC Central. Dude had his ticket pretty much punched for the playoffs every damn year!

And he only won one? This spells OVERRATED to me.
Even my boy Jim Plunkett has 2 rings and 1 SB MVP! And he's still not in the HOF!

Plunkett should be there...Stabler is...and Plunkett was as good or better than the Snake.

Stu, what would you say if I said Kenny Stabler wasn't in?

Neither is Cliff Branch or Lester Hayes.

[YoungJRNY]

John will tell you that he owns all of those T.D records because of his longevity and it doesn't count (for some reason, I think it makes it that much more impressive to last 20 years) but doesn't address the fact that he threw the many INT's in the game as well due to longevity. Favre's TD's/INT's go hand in hand when talking longevity so I don't want to hear it. Favre has led every team that he was on consistently to be a serious Super Bowl contender. He lost his team MANY games due to his style, but won many off his style as well and GB won a Super Bowl (and went to another) because of who he was and is. He was 2 picks away from being in 2 more Super Bowls in '07 and '09. He threw the picks, but he was one of the lone reasons those teams had a shot at the Super Bowl in the first place. Love him, hate him, shame him, rage against him, whatever, the dude is a legend.

Dude was a good QB, Great? mmm...debatable. He had the luxury of playing virtually his entire a career while in his prime in the LOUSY NFC Central. Dude had his ticket pretty much punched for the playoffs every damn year!

And he only won one? This spells OVERRATED to me.
Even my boy Jim Plunkett has 2 rings and 1 SB MVP! And he's still not in the HOF!

How can you call that division lousy? WOW! It was and is arguably the best historic division in football, esp tradition between the cities and also back-story and is one of the most competitive divisions in football.

The NFC Central's rankings since Favre's first start from 1992-2002: (NFC North went into effect in the 2002 season.)

1992: Vikings 11-5
Packers 9-7


1993: Lions 10-6
Packers 9-7


1994: Vikings 10-6
Packers 9-7


1995: Packers 11-5
Lions 10-6


1996: Packers 13-3
Vikings 9-7

1997: Packers 13-3
Bucs 10-6

1998: Vikings 15-1
Packers 11-5

1999: Bucs 11-5
Vikings 10-6
Lions 8-8
Packers 8-8

2000: Vikings 11-5
Bucs 10-6
Packers 9-7

2001: Bears 13-3
Packers 12-4

As you can see, HOW did Favre and the Packers have their "tickets punch for the playoffs" when they only won their division only 3 times outta the 10 years since Favre's arrival?! The NFC Central was one tough son of a bitchen division and the NFC NORTH is even more competitive year in and year out. Not only that, but the Packers shipped their legendary QB, Favre went to the rival hating Vikes, and it was Favre who was knocking on the door-step of the Super Bowl. Not Aaron Rodgers and the Packers.

[RossValoryRocks]

Dude was a good QB, Great? mmm...debatable. He had the luxury of playing virtually his entire a career while in his prime in the LOUSY NFC Central. Dude had his ticket pretty much punched for the playoffs every damn year!

And he only won one? This spells OVERRATED to me.
Even my boy Jim Plunkett has 2 rings and 1 SB MVP! And he's still not in the HOF!

Plunkett should be there...Stabler is...and Plunkett was as good or better than the Snake.

Stu, what would you say if I said Kenny Stabler wasn't in?

Neither is Cliff Branch or Lester Hayes.

I thought I read he was...well Stabler SHOULDN'T be...neither should Doug Williams or the other one off Super Bowl winners...Plunkett should be though...

[Enigma869]

Dude was a good QB, Great? mmm...debatable. He had the luxury of playing virtually his entire a career while in his prime in the LOUSY NFC Central. Dude had his ticket pretty much punched for the playoffs every damn year!

And he only won one? This spells OVERRATED to me.
Even my boy Jim Plunkett has 2 rings and 1 SB MVP! And he's still not in the HOF!

Post of the night right here! He will indeed go down as an all-time "great", but it's based on numbers alone. When you really look at Favre's career and actually watch the guy play, he's one of the most overrated players I've seen in the 30+ years of watching NFL football. I always thought Favre should have EASILY won more than one championship. The reality is that given his performance in the post-season, he's in the same company as Mark Rypien, Doug Williams, and Trent Dilfer. I'm not a Terry Bradshaw fan at all, but the reality is that Terry Bradshaw won the big games when they counted. When you look at Terry Bradshaw's numbers (which are as mediocre as ANY QB in the history of the NFL HOF), they're simply not impressive. Favre's numbers are off the charts. Which guy would you rather have leading your team in the playoffs?

[RossValoryRocks]

Dude was a good QB, Great? mmm...debatable. He had the luxury of playing virtually his entire a career while in his prime in the LOUSY NFC Central. Dude had his ticket pretty much punched for the playoffs every damn year!

And he only won one? This spells OVERRATED to me.
Even my boy Jim Plunkett has 2 rings and 1 SB MVP! And he's still not in the HOF!

Post of the night right here! He will indeed go down as an all-time "great", but it's based on numbers alone. When you really look at Favre's career and actually watch the guy play, he's one of the most overrated players I've seen in the 30+ years of watching NFL football. I always thought Favre should have EASILY won more than one championship. The reality is that given his performance in the post-season, he's in the same company as Mark Rypien, Doug Williams, and Trent Dilfer. I'm not a Terry Bradshaw fan at all, but the reality is that Terry Bradshaw won the big games when they counted. When you look at Terry Bradshaw's numbers (which are as mediocre as ANY QB in the history of the NFL HOF), they're simply not impressive. Favre's numbers are off the charts. Which guy would you rather have leading your team in the playoffs?

Bradshaw...and his numbers are mediocre...except in the playoffs and Super Bowls...then he is one of the top 10 or so ever...and I would rather have him than Favre.

[Enigma869]

Hold on...I left Steve Young off my list..god I loved that guy and hated him too...

he takes Anderson at #9 and moves Favre to 12

Montana
Elway
Brady
Staubach
Marino
Bradshaw
Unitas
Manning
Kelly
Young
Anderson
Favre

Love most of this list, but Kenny Anderson doesn't belong in the conversation. The guy was a good QB but has a 2-4 career playoff record and only passed for more than 20 TD's twice in a 16 year career and only surpassed the 2500 yard mark three times in his career. Even though I definitely rank Manning ahead of Favre, he is also another guy who absolutely should have more than one championship ring. Dude played with FAR too much talent to have only one ring!