Styx is done....please retire.

[Monker]

No the Bottom line is Styx will never ever get another record deal

Funny, seems to me they still release CD's. You just don't like the content....or you like to whine about the content.

Really what record company are they with?

Who cares? They release new CD's. Get over it.

and Styx will never ever Get into The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame

So what? The HOF isn't exactly a huge accomplishment any longer. There are bands that SHOULD be there that are not, and some that shouldn't that are. Journey will never be there either.

And there are bands like STYX that will never get there Thanks to the 3 goofs and JRNY can Thank Perry for that one

Journey will never get in the HOF. Neither will Styx, Foreigner, or REO or any of the other 80's melodicrock bands.

and Styx will never ever sell more than 2000 seats on a single bill

As I said above...they sell enough to make a few $'s and they enjoy doing it. A few whiners on an internet forum can't stop that from happening.

Nobody cares that's what's funny not even the whiners

First of all, you write like a retard.

Second, you 're an idiot. If nobody cared, nobody would go to the shows, Styx COULDN'T tour, and you would actually be right...But, you're WRONG. People DO care. People DO go to the shows...and Styx CAN and DOES tour. That's just the facts of the matter. Again, get over it.

And Styx will never ever get a new song played on the radio.

I wouldn't be so sure of that...I heard Walrus several times...and several others from BBT.

So have I by The Beatles

Actually, I've heard the Styx' version more often on the radio then the Beatles version...So, whatever.

[pinkfloyd1973]

Monkey, you'd be somewhat credible and taken more seriously if you didn't resort to personal attacks

[Boomchild]

Classic bands that have better popularity today had a gimmick or their antics on and off stage seemed to keep people interested in them.

That is just not true. Journey sells very well and they had none of that. Def Leppard is the same. VH did somewhat...but their 'antics' lessoned their popularity, not improved it..and that is the same with many other 'hair bands' that relied more on 'antics' then music.

Styx really wasn't a band like that.

I would say Roboto is far and way "antics" on stage. How ridiculous of a comparison you have just made. That was absolutely theatrics.

Of course it doesn't apply in every case. Bands like Motley Crue, Ozzy Osbourne, Aerosmith, Metallica to name a few have had better popularity over the long haul then Styx. It was not just their music that has kept their popularity up but how they live\lived the Rock N' Roll lifestyle that seems to keep people interested. When I mean antics I don't mean a performance of a concept album. Styx was also not a band that really was on the off stage rock scene in their day. Other then seeing them in concert the fans didn't know much about the members at all.

[Boomchild]

Monkey, you'd be somewhat credible and taken more seriously if you didn't resort to personal attacks

Your beating a dead horse. As I said before, it appears that Monkey can't handle somebody with a different opinion. Maybe Monkey should start "Monkey's Styx Forum" that way Monkey could control the content. The more Monkey goes on the personal attack it just shows Monkey's insecurity.

[Boomchild]

Who cares? They release new CD's. Get over it.

If releasing a CD of rerecords is considered new music then the definition of new has hit an all time low.

[froy]

Who cares? They release new CD's. Get over it.

If releasing a CD of rerecords is considered new music then the definition of new has hit an all time low.

Na that's just goofy starting trouble again

[froy]

"Monker

Actually, I've heard the Styx' version more often on the radio then the Beatles version..

Is this guy a joke or what..

[Monker]

Monkey, you'd be somewhat credible and taken more seriously if you didn't resort to personal attacks

And, you would less of a hypocrite if you did not preface that comment by calling me "Monkey".

[Monker]

Classic bands that have better popularity today had a gimmick or their antics on and off stage seemed to keep people interested in them.

That is just not true. Journey sells very well and they had none of that. Def Leppard is the same. VH did somewhat...but their 'antics' lessoned their popularity, not improved it..and that is the same with many other 'hair bands' that relied more on 'antics' then music.

Styx really wasn't a band like that.

I would say Roboto is far and way "antics" on stage. How ridiculous of a comparison you have just made. That was absolutely theatrics.

Of course it doesn't apply in every case. Bands like Motley Crue, Ozzy Osbourne, Aerosmith, Metallica to name a few have had better popularity over the long haul then Styx. It was not just their music that has kept their popularity up but how they live\lived the Rock N' Roll lifestyle that seems to keep people interested. When I mean antics I don't mean a performance of a concept album. Styx was also not a band that really was on the off stage rock scene in their day. Other then seeing them in concert the fans didn't know much about the members at all.

You said, "antics on stage." Bringing Kilroy and Roboto's on stage is "antics"...get over it.

Yes, it has everything to do with the music. The bands that survived through the 90's are those that had music that stood the test of time, including the very bands you mentioned...Ozzy creating Ozzfest and keeping his, and Sabbath music heard, Aerosmith has a TON of songs that have been radio staples for over 30yrs? Motley Crue may have had the make up and 'act' but they were also THE hair band that not only started the trend but had the music behind them. Please...do you even know what you are talking about?

The bands that did NOT survive are those that put their antics and image ahead of the music, Firehouse, Trixster, etc....almost all of the 'hair bands'. Almost all of their music was mediocre at best and did NOT surivive. Even bands like Kiss had some decent songs to go along with their 'act'. And, Axl Rose is a PERFECT example of being famous for 'antics', on and off stage, but wasn't able to regain the popularity of GNR by releasing a mediocre album. Then DLR had zero success as a solo artist and had to return to VH, and their popular music, to regain popularity...and VH was not able to regain their popularity without DLR or Sammy and the music of the past.

So, for the most part, when the music sucks, the band dies. If Styx music sucked in the past OR present, they would die. There are very few examples where the reverse is true.

[Monker]

Monkey, you'd be somewhat credible and taken more seriously if you didn't resort to personal attacks

Your beating a dead horse. As I said before, it appears that Monkey can't handle somebody with a different opinion. Maybe Monkey should start "Monkey's Styx Forum" that way Monkey could control the content. The more Monkey goes on the personal attack it just shows Monkey's insecurity.

Really? YOU are the one who just suggested someone leave. I have not done that here.

[froy]

Monkey, you'd be somewhat credible and taken more seriously if you didn't resort to personal attacks

And, you would less of a hypocrite if you did not preface that comment by calling me "Monkey".

Why you call me Froyline Monkey is a perfect name EE

[Monker]

Monkey, you'd be somewhat credible and taken more seriously if you didn't resort to personal attacks

And, you would less of a hypocrite if you did not preface that comment by calling me "Monkey".

Why you call me Froyline Monkey is a perfect name EE

Can someone run this through the Bat Computer to translate what froyline just wrote?

His error light must be flashing again.

[froy]

Monkey, you'd be somewhat credible and taken more seriously if you didn't resort to personal attacks

And, you would less of a hypocrite if you did not preface that comment by calling me "Monkey".

Why you call me Froyline Monkey is a perfect name EE

Can someone run this through the Bat Computer to translate what froyline just wrote?

His error light must be flashing again.

Nice try Monkey that sad story ain't working anymore,

[pinkfloyd1973]

Monkey, you'd be somewhat credible and taken more seriously if you didn't resort to personal attacks

And, you would less of a hypocrite if you did not preface that comment by calling me "Monkey".

Hypocrite I think not, was a funny play on your sn. But since you're getting your panties in a knot over it, I will be nice and from here on out I will call you Monker

[pinkfloyd1973]

Where were you in the early 90's, Monker? I remember Grunge being the big thing and even all the examples that you gave were no longer popular. The local hard rock station here in Chicago became an alternative radio station, and if you didn't wear flannel and express your "angst" you weren't cool

[Boomchild]

Classic bands that have better popularity today had a gimmick or their antics on and off stage seemed to keep people interested in them.

That is just not true. Journey sells very well and they had none of that. Def Leppard is the same. VH did somewhat...but their 'antics' lessoned their popularity, not improved it..and that is the same with many other 'hair bands' that relied more on 'antics' then music.

Styx really wasn't a band like that.

I would say Roboto is far and way "antics" on stage. How ridiculous of a comparison you have just made. That was absolutely theatrics.

Of course it doesn't apply in every case. Bands like Motley Crue, Ozzy Osbourne, Aerosmith, Metallica to name a few have had better popularity over the long haul then Styx. It was not just their music that has kept their popularity up but how they live\lived the Rock N' Roll lifestyle that seems to keep people interested. When I mean antics I don't mean a performance of a concept album. Styx was also not a band that really was on the off stage rock scene in their day. Other then seeing them in concert the fans didn't know much about the members at all.

You said, "antics on stage." Bringing Kilroy and Roboto's on stage is "antics"...get over it.

Yes, it has everything to do with the music. The bands that survived through the 90's are those that had music that stood the test of time, including the very bands you mentioned...Ozzy creating Ozzfest and keeping his, and Sabbath music heard, Aerosmith has a TON of songs that have been radio staples for over 30yrs? Motley Crue may have had the make up and 'act' but they were also THE hair band that not only started the trend but had the music behind them. Please...do you even know what you are talking about?

The bands that did NOT survive are those that put their antics and image ahead of the music, Firehouse, Trixster, etc....almost all of the 'hair bands'. Almost all of their music was mediocre at best and did NOT surivive. Even bands like Kiss had some decent songs to go along with their 'act'. And, Axl Rose is a PERFECT example of being famous for 'antics', on and off stage, but wasn't able to regain the popularity of GNR by releasing a mediocre album. Then DLR had zero success as a solo artist and had to return to VH, and their popular music, to regain popularity...and VH was not able to regain their popularity without DLR or Sammy and the music of the past.

So, for the most part, when the music sucks, the band dies. If Styx music sucked in the past OR present, they would die. There are very few examples where the reverse is true.

As I said, antics On and Off stage. I also said it was their music as well. Where you got the idea that I thins it's just the antics thing I do not know. The bands I mentioned were on the rock scene all the time (off Stage). The ridiculous things they did off stage kept them in the RNR press which in turn kept the fans paying attention to them and what they were doing. Of course it didn't work for everyone but it did for quite a few. Styx was never really part of the RNR scene other them the concerts the performed and albums they recorded. In my opinion their avoidance of the press during their hay day also effected their long term popularity. So basically when they were not on the road or releasing an album people forgot about them.

[Boomchild]

Monkey, you'd be somewhat credible and taken more seriously if you didn't resort to personal attacks

Your beating a dead horse. As I said before, it appears that Monkey can't handle somebody with a different opinion. Maybe Monkey should start "Monkey's Styx Forum" that way Monkey could control the content. The more Monkey goes on the personal attack it just shows Monkey's insecurity.

Really? YOU are the one who just suggested someone leave. I have not done that here.

As I said, maybe it would be easier for you to have your own Styx forum. That way you could control it's content to suit your viewpoint on things. It is pretty clear that you have a hard time with people that don't share your view and opinions since quite often when they don't you begin to personally attack them. Calling them idiots, stupid and the like. Which is a clear sign of immaturity and insecurity. Why not just stick to the subject and state your case and point. Most people will tend to take someone more seriously then personally attacking how you have.

[Monker]

Where were you in the early 90's, Monker? I remember Grunge being the big thing and even all the examples that you gave were no longer popular. The local hard rock station here in Chicago became an alternative radio station, and if you didn't wear flannel and express your "angst" you weren't cool

Of course...and the 'big thing' before that was hair bands. But, the music that LASTS through that is 'good music' and the bands capitalize of that. The grunge/alternative bands that suck can not make a living today any more then the hair bands could in the 90's. That is EXACTLY my point. And, not ALL rock station disappeared...at least not here.

I think Dee Snider said that they all started paying more attention to their image all of this 'other stuff' and stopped paying attention to the MUSIC. THAT is why hair bands, and hard rock in general DIED in favor of Grunge/alternative....and that is also why Grunge died shortly after.....and there hasn't really been a popular 'rock' trend since then. Grunge killed the popularity of rock and then killed itself.

[Monker]

As I said, maybe it would be easier for you to have your own Styx forum. That way you could control it's content to suit your viewpoint on things.

I have no desire to 'control what people say'. However, I will point out hypocrisy where it exists when I feel a desire to do so.

It seems to me YOU are the one with the problem reading what *I* post and are making a vocal, futile, effort to change it. I've been posting on online forums since the early 90's...do you really think I'm going to change for you? Geez, people have told me I've mellowed out over the years so be thankful you didn't know me before Y2K.

It is pretty clear that you have a hard time with people that don't share your view and opinions since quite often when they don't you begin to personally attack them. Calling them idiots, stupid and the like.

What are you, like, a stupid idiot? LOL.

Which is a clear sign of immaturity and insecurity.

There is a lot of immaturity on this forum. Perhaps you should look at ALL of the posts here, and look in the mirror.

I really don't care if the few people on this forum think I'm 'insecure'.

Why not just stick to the subject and state your case and point. Most people will tend to take someone more seriously then personally attacking how you have.

I think PinkFloyd dude should sue you for plagiarism.

[Monker]

Monkey, you'd be somewhat credible and taken more seriously if you didn't resort to personal attacks

And, you would less of a hypocrite if you did not preface that comment by calling me "Monkey".

Why you call me Froyline Monkey is a perfect name EE

Can someone run this through the Bat Computer to translate what froyline just wrote?

His error light must be flashing again.

Nice try Monkey that sad story ain't working anymore,

Froyline, if I took your comment as written, you are asking me why do I call you 'froyline' when 'monkey' is the perfect name.

If I need to decipher what you say, then it is obviously not worth spending extra time trying to fiigure out the 'real' meaning of your froyspeak. I have no idea how you graduated out of elementary school with your writing skills - pathetic.

[pinkfloyd1973]

I think PinkFloyd dude should sue you for plagiarism.

I am a female, you nitwit. No one takes you seriously anyways

[Boomchild]

As I said, maybe it would be easier for you to have your own Styx forum. That way you could control it's content to suit your viewpoint on things.

I have no desire to 'control what people say'. However, I will point out hypocrisy where it exists when I feel a desire to do so.

It seems to me YOU are the one with the problem reading what *I* post and are making a vocal, futile, effort to change it. I've been posting on online forums since the early 90's...do you really think I'm going to change for you? Geez, people have told me I've mellowed out over the years so be thankful you didn't know me before Y2K.

Thanks for saving this forum from "hypocrisy". Are you on some kind of crusade? I don't have issues with what you post on the subject at hand. I may not agree with some of it but I surely don't lose sleep over it. I think that when you take it to a personal level by calling people names you appear immature and insecure.

It is pretty clear that you have a hard time with people that don't share your view and opinions since quite often when they don't you begin to personally attack them. Calling them idiots, stupid and the like.

What are you, like, a stupid idiot? LOL.

This name calling must really make you feel important. Bet you are the ruler of the playground.

Which is a clear sign of immaturity and insecurity.

There is a lot of immaturity on this forum. Perhaps you should look at ALL of the posts here, and look in the mirror.

I really don't care if the few people on this forum think I'm 'insecure'.

So if someone jumped off a bridge, you would be right behind them right? I am sure other people have acted this way here but it doesn't mean everyone needs to do the same. You can get your point across without the personal attacks that's all I'm saying.

]Why not just stick to the subject and state your case and point. Most people will tend to take someone more seriously then personally attacking how you have.

I think PinkFloyd dude should sue you for plagiarism.

Good one. How long did take you to come up with that witty reply?

[Rockwriter]

Monky and JY

The current Styx is not going anywhere soon, so you better get used to it.

I'll again compare them to LRB...LRB has even less of a following. They play even smaller venues to fewer people. The did the rerecords...and they were horrid.

Sounds just like STYX why even bother following them .

The bottom line is people like the music and go to the show to hear it. Fans whining on a forum do not change that.

No the Bottom line is Styx will never ever get another record deal and Styx will never ever Get into The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and Styx will never ever sell more than 2000 seats on a single bill, And Styx will never ever get a new song played on the radio. That means one thing they are just playing for money and using fans to pay for there bills. STYX is DONE

Thanks James Young, Tommy Shaw and Chuck Panazzo

To be fair, Styx has NEVER, EVER, EVER had any shot at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, with or without Dennis. NEVER. NEEEEEVERRRRRRRRRRR. Never in a billion years. His presence or absence makes no difference whatsoever in that equation.

I hope all is well.


Sterling

[Rockwriter]

Where were you in the early 90's, Monker? I remember Grunge being the big thing and even all the examples that you gave were no longer popular. The local hard rock station here in Chicago became an alternative radio station, and if you didn't wear flannel and express your "angst" you weren't cool

Of course...and the 'big thing' before that was hair bands. But, the music that LASTS through that is 'good music' and the bands capitalize of that. The grunge/alternative bands that suck can not make a living today any more then the hair bands could in the 90's. That is EXACTLY my point. And, not ALL rock station disappeared...at least not here.

I think Dee Snider said that they all started paying more attention to their image all of this 'other stuff' and stopped paying attention to the MUSIC. THAT is why hair bands, and hard rock in general DIED in favor of Grunge/alternative....and that is also why Grunge died shortly after.....and there hasn't really been a popular 'rock' trend since then. Grunge killed the popularity of rock and then killed itself.

Actually,starting around the time of the hair bands and from then forward, the record companies started employing a strategy whereby they recognized, finally, that bands and artists are disposable and can all be replaced. Labels have always signed new bands to shitty multi-album deals, but it used to be that if you sold well, they would extend you to a better deal after that. Like with Styx, Journey and so on. Starting with the hair bands and basically ever since, labels sign bands to a really terrible three-to-five album deal, try to ramp up all the success they can with those three-to-five so they can keep as much of the haul as they can. Then when it comes time to re-up for a fairer percentage, they toss all of the bands of a genre that got signed at a certain time to the curb and replace them with a whole new crop of signings in a different style and then start the whole process over. That's why hair metal died so fast, and that's why grunge died so fast. Their decline was pre-planned to pave the way for newer, cheaper bands.

Go back and take a look at how many successful albums all the hair metal bands had, and how many albums the grunge bands had out when they started to fade, and you'll instantly see what I mean. This is just another way in which the industry killed itself. Planned obsolescence of music . . . a very questionable marketing decision.


Sterling

[Don]

The current Styx is not going anywhere soon, so you better get used to it. They continue to make money touring and as long as that is fact, they will be out there, whether you or anyone else likes it or not.

MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!!!!!

Yep...that is absolutely true.

I'll again compare them to LRB...LRB has even less of a following. They play even smaller venues to fewer people. The did the rerecords...and they were horrid. They have made a couple 'new' albums and they sold about as well as Dennis in the US.

But, they are still out their touring ... despite what whining former fans thing, and how much former bandmates complain. As long as they can make a few $'s and enjoy what they do - they'll be out there. So will Styx.

LRB is in a class by themselves. Even with Wayne in the lineup, there is no one there with even one writing credit on the original LRB Greatest Hits Album. Without any affiliation with Goble, they are a caucasion version of MENUDO.

Granted, Pink Floyd without Waters may be considered the same thing but we saw how the public handled that, with the success of Floyd's Monster Stadium tour in 94.

[Monker]

I think PinkFloyd dude should sue you for plagiarism.

I am a female, you nitwit. No one takes you seriously anyways

It doesn't matter...if I thought it was THAT gender specific, I wouldn't say it, dude!

[Monker]

Where were you in the early 90's, Monker? I remember Grunge being the big thing and even all the examples that you gave were no longer popular. The local hard rock station here in Chicago became an alternative radio station, and if you didn't wear flannel and express your "angst" you weren't cool

Of course...and the 'big thing' before that was hair bands. But, the music that LASTS through that is 'good music' and the bands capitalize of that. The grunge/alternative bands that suck can not make a living today any more then the hair bands could in the 90's. That is EXACTLY my point. And, not ALL rock station disappeared...at least not here.

I think Dee Snider said that they all started paying more attention to their image all of this 'other stuff' and stopped paying attention to the MUSIC. THAT is why hair bands, and hard rock in general DIED in favor of Grunge/alternative....and that is also why Grunge died shortly after.....and there hasn't really been a popular 'rock' trend since then. Grunge killed the popularity of rock and then killed itself.

Actually,starting around the time of the hair bands and from then forward, the record companies started employing a strategy whereby they recognized, finally, that bands and artists are disposable and can all be replaced. Labels have always signed new bands to shitty multi-album deals, but it used to be that if you sold well, they would extend you to a better deal after that. Like with Styx, Journey and so on. Starting with the hair bands and basically ever since, labels sign bands to a really terrible three-to-five album deal, try to ramp up all the success they can with those three-to-five so they can keep as much of the haul as they can. Then when it comes time to re-up for a fairer percentage, they toss all of the bands of a genre that got signed at a certain time to the curb and replace them with a whole new crop of signings in a different style and then start the whole process over. That's why hair metal died so fast, and that's why grunge died so fast. Their decline was pre-planned to pave the way for newer, cheaper bands.

Go back and take a look at how many successful albums all the hair metal bands had, and how many albums the grunge bands had out when they started to fade, and you'll instantly see what I mean. This is just another way in which the industry killed itself. Planned obsolescence of music . . . a very questionable marketing decision.


Sterling

I agree with this to a point. And, the point is this: Nobody saw Nirvana coming. What big label was Nirvana on that made the corporate decision to launch Grunge as the successor to the "hair bands" and released Nevermind? Ah, yeah, that huge corporate label of DGC Records....not Sony, or Columbia, or Warner, or whatever...a virtual unknown label. That was not planned....in fact, it was their SECOND album and nobody thought it would be a hit. I think it was Warrant who said one week they went to visit the label and they had "Cherry Pie" posters everywhere...then Nirvana hit and they were gone and replaced by Grunge The labels followed the trend at that time - they did not set it....15yr old kids did.

I remember getting into an argument with a 15yr old kid on a local BBS and told him that in a few years he would not even care about Nirvana. He said I was wrong - because that music spoke to him...and the 80's crap that I like didn't. He was right, I was wrong...As much as I hate Nirvana, and Grunge in general, that 'music' spoke to a generation who couldn't stand the current trend of 80's style music.

[pinkfloyd1973]

I think PinkFloyd dude should sue you for plagiarism.

I am a female, you nitwit. No one takes you seriously anyways

It doesn't matter...if I thought it was THAT gender specific, I wouldn't say it, dude!

I am not a dude, dear Mr Monker. Apparently you're not either, seeing that you lack a certain appendage to be considered one

[Monker]

I think PinkFloyd dude should sue you for plagiarism.

I am a female, you nitwit. No one takes you seriously anyways

It doesn't matter...if I thought it was THAT gender specific, I wouldn't say it, dude!

I am not a dude, dear Mr Monker. Apparently you're not either, seeing that you lack a certain appendage to be considered one

Are you flirting with me?

[pinkfloyd1973]

I think PinkFloyd dude should sue you for plagiarism.

I am a female, you nitwit. No one takes you seriously anyways

It doesn't matter...if I thought it was THAT gender specific, I wouldn't say it, dude!

I am not a dude, dear Mr Monker. Apparently you're not either, seeing that you lack a certain appendage to be considered one

Are you flirting with me?

Ha! you wish