any gi/po8 dvd news

[Baron Von Bielski]

Ahh, but what I said was not incorrect. I said he couldn't stop the release, and I'm right. He could only have the songs that he wrote not appear on the release. That was my only point. Not to get into or start a debate about copyright law.

So what would be the effing point of a GI/Po8 DVD with about half (or more) of the songs missing? There is none. So for this particular release, they needed DDY's approval. They have certainly released stuff before w/o DDY tunes that he needed to sign off on (Arch Allies, CYO, etc.). So for this release, it's a whole different ballgame.

I don't know why this has turned into a big deal and everyone's arguing about it.

But, that would mean DDY got JY's approval to use Lorelei in his symphony DVD.

[Ash]

I'm with StyxCollector. You all need to get your facts straight.

Video is one thing. Audio is another.

They can re-record Dennis songs the same way any other band can as long as they do not deviate from the song and pay the royalty.

They cannot re-do it on a live video because it is video and audio must be synced to video constituting a change.

[Baron Von Bielski]

I'm with StyxCollector. You all need to get your facts straight.

Video is one thing. Audio is another.

They can re-record Dennis songs the same way any other band can as long as they do not deviate from the song and pay the royalty.

They cannot re-do it on a live video because it is video and audio must be synced to video constituting a change.

Once again... I am NOT disputing anything. Stop... all of YOU... lumping me in with people who are saying that they don't need to get the rights. I never once said that.

[StyxCollector]

Once again... I am NOT disputing anything. Stop... all of YOU... lumping me in with people who are saying that they don't need to get the rights. I never once said that.

I think they're keying in on your comment you made that they could release a DVD w/o DDY and my response to basically it didn't make sense not to get his permissions. So we are both technically right - they can release something w/o DDY's approval. Just won't get songs like CSA. For this particular release, that wouldn't cut the mustard.

[Mr JY Roboto]

I look at it this way. One with Everything with CYO took roughly 6 months from it's filming till it's actual DVD release. So, we have a couple of months before wondering where it's at.

You aren't hearing anything because Deyoung won't let it happen.

news flash tophie they don't need his permission. This ain't journey

You are 100% wrong. They do need his permission

And how do you know this? Do you know the specifics of the settlement? Do you know the length of time on the specifics of the settlement? Let me see a copy of the settlement.

[Ash]

And how do you know this? Do you know the specifics of the settlement? Do you know the length of time on the specifics of the settlement? Let me see a copy of the settlement.

Nothing to do with any settlement. It has to do with copyright law. Under copyright law you need contractual agreement of the creator of a work to make changes and re-release it.

I could record "Tom Sawyer" by Rush with my cover band and put it on a CD all day as long as I paid the royalty for it. If I wanted to add another verse to the song, I'd need the permission of Geddy Lee and the other guys in Rush to do it or I could get my ass sued off. Putting a song on video falls under the same category. It's considered a derivative work (visual interpretation) and must be approved by the creator.

JY may be > 50% of the song writing credit of Loreli - which is why he could release that one.

[StyxCollector]

I look at it this way. One with Everything with CYO took roughly 6 months from it's filming till it's actual DVD release. So, we have a couple of months before wondering where it's at.

You aren't hearing anything because Deyoung won't let it happen.

news flash tophie they don't need his permission. This ain't journey

You are 100% wrong. They do need his permission

And how do you know this? Do you know the specifics of the settlement? Do you know the length of time on the specifics of the settlement? Let me see a copy of the settlement.

It's basic copyright law around synchronization; we've covered this. It has NOTHING to do with the settlement. Here's a quick and simple explanation:
http://www.iamusic.com/articles/copyright.html

Why do you think movies (for example when they used Roboto in the VW commercial) had to go to Dennis to get the rights? Just sayin' ... settlement or not, they can't sync audio to video of a Styx song such as CSA that Dennis has say-so over.

What's so hard to understand?

[Boomchild]

I look at it this way. One with Everything with CYO took roughly 6 months from it's filming till it's actual DVD release. So, we have a couple of months before wondering where it's at.

You aren't hearing anything because Deyoung won't let it happen.

news flash tophie they don't need his permission. This ain't journey

You are 100% wrong. They do need his permission

And how do you know this? Do you know the specifics of the settlement? Do you know the length of time on the specifics of the settlement? Let me see a copy of the settlement.

It's basic copyright law around synchronization; we've covered this. It has NOTHING to do with the settlement. Here's a quick and simple explanation:
http://www.iamusic.com/articles/copyright.html

Why do you think movies (for example when they used Roboto in the VW commercial) had to go to Dennis to get the rights? Just sayin' ... settlement or not, they can't sync audio to video of a Styx song such as CSA that Dennis has say-so over.

What's so hard to understand?

Honestly, I really do not see what is so hard about this subject. Seems pretty simple to me.

[Boomchild]

So if it comes out, DDY did approve the use of his songs and he'll get his appropriate cut of this since they're using his songs.

Think about it. They're not idiots. They wouldn't have invested the money if they didn't have the clearances to release it.

They will release it with Denny's compositions intact. It simply wouldn't make any sense to release a live DVD of these 2 albums with half of the material missing.

One With Everything was a different animal. They were approached by the CYO to do a DVD. In that case they kept it simple and didn't include Denny's compositions

Don't be so sure. This band has made mistakes before. Like when they went on without Dennis without clearing up any legal issues before doing it. That's what landed them in court with DDY.

[kansas666]

Nothing to do with any settlement. It has to do with copyright law. Under copyright law you need contractual agreement of the creator of a work to make changes and re-release it.

Oh let's have some fun with this. It could indeed have something to do with the settlement. We don't know what they agreed upon. Perhaps Denny signed away the rights to his songs.

For that matter, does Denny even own the rights to his songs? Wooden Nickel wouldn't let them use Lady in the Greatest Hits compilation so they re-recorded it. A&M wouldn't let them use Roboto in the VW commercial so they re-recorded it.

Why do you think STYX recorded Regenerations?

[Higgy]

Stop... all of YOU... lumping me in with people who are saying that they don't need to get the rights. I never once said that.

But can we lump you in with all of the OTHER Nightbull incarnations?

[Rockwriter]

Nothing to do with any settlement. It has to do with copyright law. Under copyright law you need contractual agreement of the creator of a work to make changes and re-release it.

Oh let's have some fun with this. It could indeed have something to do with the settlement. We don't know what they agreed upon. Perhaps Denny signed away the rights to his songs.

For that matter, does Denny even own the rights to his songs? Wooden Nickel wouldn't let them use Lady in the Greatest Hits compilation so they re-recorded it. A&M wouldn't let them use Roboto in the VW commercial so they re-recorded it.

Why do you think STYX recorded Regenerations?

Dennis does own the rights to his songs post-Wooden Nickel. Wooden Nickel kept the publishing on the catalog recorded under that label as part of the settlement of its lawsuit against Styx for leaving while still under contract. That's why "Lady" happened the way it did.

With A&M it's a different story. A&M paid for the master recordings of those songs, and that's what they own, that specific recording of the song, not the song itself. The members of Styx still retain ownership of the chord progression, melody, lyrics . . . the intellectual property that constitutes a song. They re-recorded them for 'Regeneration' so that they could try to directly license new recordings for TV and film and not give A&M a cut, as well as to have a souvenir to sell at the merchandise table on tour. As inexpensive a product as it is, they've probably done reasonably well with it. I wouldn't think it was a terribly expensive album to record.

Sterling

[Ash]

Nothing to do with any settlement. It has to do with copyright law. Under copyright law you need contractual agreement of the creator of a work to make changes and re-release it.

Oh let's have some fun with this. It could indeed have something to do with the settlement. We don't know what they agreed upon. Perhaps Denny signed away the rights to his songs.

For that matter, does Denny even own the rights to his songs? Wooden Nickel wouldn't let them use Lady in the Greatest Hits compilation so they re-recorded it. A&M wouldn't let them use Roboto in the VW commercial so they re-recorded it.

Why do you think STYX recorded Regenerations?

Wrong.

What Wooden Nickle (RCA) wouldn't allow them to use is the master recording. That means they couldn't use that version of the song they originally recorded back in 1975 or whenever it was. They could re-record the song and make any arrangement changes they wanted because DDY was the one doing it, but what Wooden Nickle refused to let them use was the original master recording of the original song. RCA owns that and they can allow/deny access to it because they own it.

By the same token, Volkswagen likely paid DDY and JY to re-record it because it was *cheaper* than licensing the original song from A&M. That's why you see so many re-recorded versions of pop songs in tv commercials. It's cheaper to pay some cover band to play the song and pay the royalty on it than it is to license the mechanical royalty on the original recording.

it's all about the money and the business. don't be fooled into thinking otherwise.

I've seen where artists make a change to a line or two, rename the song and re-release it on their own label to get around publishing deals and what not. It's kinda shady, but the whole music business tends to be. Imagine if they had renamed "Lady" to "Love Shines" or some other part of the song. Then it would be considered a whole new song with a new copyright. Shady but I've seen it done.

[Ash]

Dennis does own the rights to his songs post-Wooden Nickel. Wooden Nickel kept the publishing on the catalog recorded under that label as part of the settlement of its lawsuit against Styx for leaving while still under contract. That's why "Lady" happened the way it did.

Facinating....

Following up on my last point....

Does that mean "Lady '95" is the name of the song on the GH album? So they used that to not only skirt the Wooden Nickel master but also the publishing royalty? That would be shrewd. So they did like I said - changed an arrangement, change the name of the song, claimed it as all new publishing and reaped the reward.

Interesting.

[S2M]

Dennis does own the rights to his songs post-Wooden Nickel. Wooden Nickel kept the publishing on the catalog recorded under that label as part of the settlement of its lawsuit against Styx for leaving while still under contract. That's why "Lady" happened the way it did.

Facinating....

Following up on my last point....

Does that mean "Lady '95" is the name of the song on the GH album? So they used that to not only skirt the Wooden Nickel master but also the publishing royalty? That would be shrewd. So they did like I said - changed an arrangement, change the name of the song, claimed it as all new publishing and reaped the reward.

Interesting.

I wonder if it could be as simple as adding an intro, but leaving the rest of the song AS IS. and maybe a longer outro....

[StyxCollector]

Dennis does own the rights to his songs post-Wooden Nickel. Wooden Nickel kept the publishing on the catalog recorded under that label as part of the settlement of its lawsuit against Styx for leaving while still under contract. That's why "Lady" happened the way it did.

Facinating....

Following up on my last point....

Does that mean "Lady '95" is the name of the song on the GH album? So they used that to not only skirt the Wooden Nickel master but also the publishing royalty? That would be shrewd. So they did like I said - changed an arrangement, change the name of the song, claimed it as all new publishing and reaped the reward.

Interesting.

Dennis talks about it in my full 1996 interview up on StyxCollector.com why they had to re-do "Lady".

[Ash]

Dennis talks about it in my full 1996 interview up on StyxCollector.com why they had to re-do "Lady".

Oh! Very nice. I'll check it out. Thanks for the heads up.

[gr8whitehope]

I can't wait for that DVD. I LOVE those albums!

[Rockwriter]

Dennis does own the rights to his songs post-Wooden Nickel. Wooden Nickel kept the publishing on the catalog recorded under that label as part of the settlement of its lawsuit against Styx for leaving while still under contract. That's why "Lady" happened the way it did.

Facinating....

Following up on my last point....

Does that mean "Lady '95" is the name of the song on the GH album? So they used that to not only skirt the Wooden Nickel master but also the publishing royalty? That would be shrewd. So they did like I said - changed an arrangement, change the name of the song, claimed it as all new publishing and reaped the reward.

Interesting.

I wonder if it could be as simple as adding an intro, but leaving the rest of the song AS IS. and maybe a longer outro....

I don't think you could make that fly for a song that still contained the intellectual property contributions of another writer, like is the case with Dennis and the GI/Po8 songs. You'd still be lifting their work.


Sterling

[Rockwriter]

Dennis does own the rights to his songs post-Wooden Nickel. Wooden Nickel kept the publishing on the catalog recorded under that label as part of the settlement of its lawsuit against Styx for leaving while still under contract. That's why "Lady" happened the way it did.

Facinating....

Following up on my last point....

Does that mean "Lady '95" is the name of the song on the GH album? So they used that to not only skirt the Wooden Nickel master but also the publishing royalty? That would be shrewd. So they did like I said - changed an arrangement, change the name of the song, claimed it as all new publishing and reaped the reward.

Interesting.

I always assumed that they called it "Lady '95" to denote the fact that it was a new version, because they were using Tommy's presence on the new track as an added value selling point for what was otherwise a collection of songs people already owned in other forms. I don't know if what you're proposing is feasible, in all sincerity. The song is re-recorded, but even so it's basically as close to the original as they could get, so I can't imagine Wooden Nickel wouldn't have a claim on that if they own the song publishing. I think they were just trying to get around the issue of the licensing and then trying to exploit it for Tommy's added PR value. But I can't swear to it. Stranger loopholes have been exploited, LOL.


Sterling

[Toph]

I can't wait for that DVD. I LOVE those albums!

Awesome...Everett has a 4th persona!

[Baron Von Bielski]

Stop... all of YOU... lumping me in with people who are saying that they don't need to get the rights. I never once said that.

But can we lump you in with all of the OTHER Nightbull incarnations?

If that makes you happy, though I don't know what you are talking about or why you have singled me out in just about all of your posts.

[Everett]

Stop... all of YOU... lumping me in with people who are saying that they don't need to get the rights. I never once said that.

But can we lump you in with all of the OTHER Nightbull incarnations?

If that makes you happy, though I don't know what you are talking about or why you have singled me out in just about all of your posts.

Don't worry about it baron. They/it seem to think your me and they/it seem to think i have a gazillion accounts here. Who knew

[Baron Von Bielski]

Stop... all of YOU... lumping me in with people who are saying that they don't need to get the rights. I never once said that.

But can we lump you in with all of the OTHER Nightbull incarnations?

If that makes you happy, though I don't know what you are talking about or why you have singled me out in just about all of your posts.

Don't worry about it baron. They/it seem to think your me and they/it seem to think i have a gazillion accounts here. Who knew

Is that what this has been all about? I kinda thought that's what they may be implying, but it seemed a little idiotic to say the least. If their so concerned, ask admin (Andrew). I am one person with one account. That's so lame. I'm pretty sure even though he doesn't know me, Collector could vouch that we aren't the same.

[Boomchild]

Stop... all of YOU... lumping me in with people who are saying that they don't need to get the rights. I never once said that.

But can we lump you in with all of the OTHER Nightbull incarnations?

If that makes you happy, though I don't know what you are talking about or why you have singled me out in just about all of your posts.

Don't worry about it baron. They/it seem to think your me and they/it seem to think i have a gazillion accounts here. Who knew

Is that what this has been all about? I kinda thought that's what they may be implying, but it seemed a little idiotic to say the least. If their so concerned, ask admin (Andrew). I am one person with one account. That's so lame. I'm pretty sure even though he doesn't know me, Collector could vouch that we aren't the same.

The reason this thing happens is because there have been posters that were kicked off the board for one reason or another and then show up again under a different name. Some of them liked to have conversations with themselves here too. Go figure. I haven't got that feeling from you Baron.

[Baron Von Bielski]

Stop... all of YOU... lumping me in with people who are saying that they don't need to get the rights. I never once said that.

But can we lump you in with all of the OTHER Nightbull incarnations?

If that makes you happy, though I don't know what you are talking about or why you have singled me out in just about all of your posts.

Don't worry about it baron. They/it seem to think your me and they/it seem to think i have a gazillion accounts here. Who knew

Is that what this has been all about? I kinda thought that's what they may be implying, but it seemed a little idiotic to say the least. If their so concerned, ask admin (Andrew). I am one person with one account. That's so lame. I'm pretty sure even though he doesn't know me, Collector could vouch that we aren't the same.

The reason this thing happens is because there have been posters that were kicked off the board for one reason or another and then show up again under a different name. Some of them liked to have conversations with themselves here too. Go figure. I haven't got that feeling from you Baron.

Thanks! Yeah, I know people do that. I also post on kissfaq.com forums (under the same exact name) and there are supposed banned people doing it all the time, but because they use the same modus operandi they get found out by the others rather quickly. I guess agreeing with some people or having a similar opinion here makes you the same person.

[Boomchild]

Stop... all of YOU... lumping me in with people who are saying that they don't need to get the rights. I never once said that.

But can we lump you in with all of the OTHER Nightbull incarnations?

If that makes you happy, though I don't know what you are talking about or why you have singled me out in just about all of your posts.

Don't worry about it baron. They/it seem to think your me and they/it seem to think i have a gazillion accounts here. Who knew

Is that what this has been all about? I kinda thought that's what they may be implying, but it seemed a little idiotic to say the least. If their so concerned, ask admin (Andrew). I am one person with one account. That's so lame. I'm pretty sure even though he doesn't know me, Collector could vouch that we aren't the same.

The reason this thing happens is because there have been posters that were kicked off the board for one reason or another and then show up again under a different name. Some of them liked to have conversations with themselves here too. Go figure. I haven't got that feeling from you Baron.

Thanks! Yeah, I know people do that. I also post on kissfaq.com forums (under the same exact name) and there are supposed banned people doing it all the time, but because they use the same modus operandi they get found out by the others rather quickly. I guess agreeing with some people or having a similar opinion here makes you the same person.

Or if you don't have the popular point of view, don't play follow the leader, drink the bathwater or whatever you want to label it then you are a whiner and a troll to some here.

[Monker]

Stop... all of YOU... lumping me in with people who are saying that they don't need to get the rights. I never once said that.

But can we lump you in with all of the OTHER Nightbull incarnations?

If that makes you happy, though I don't know what you are talking about or why you have singled me out in just about all of your posts.

Don't worry about it baron. They/it seem to think your me and they/it seem to think i have a gazillion accounts here. Who knew

Is that what this has been all about? I kinda thought that's what they may be implying, but it seemed a little idiotic to say the least. If their so concerned, ask admin (Andrew). I am one person with one account. That's so lame. I'm pretty sure even though he doesn't know me, Collector could vouch that we aren't the same.

The reason this thing happens is because there have been posters that were kicked off the board for one reason or another and then show up again under a different name. Some of them liked to have conversations with themselves here too. Go figure. I haven't got that feeling from you Baron.

Thanks! Yeah, I know people do that. I also post on kissfaq.com forums (under the same exact name) and there are supposed banned people doing it all the time, but because they use the same modus operandi they get found out by the others rather quickly. I guess agreeing with some people or having a similar opinion here makes you the same person.

Or if you don't have the popular point of view, don't play follow the leader, drink the bathwater or whatever you want to label it then you are a whiner and a troll to some here.

Ah, how cute. Now you're whining about me calling you a whiner. Too funny.

[Boomchild]

Stop... all of YOU... lumping me in with people who are saying that they don't need to get the rights. I never once said that.

But can we lump you in with all of the OTHER Nightbull incarnations?

If that makes you happy, though I don't know what you are talking about or why you have singled me out in just about all of your posts.

Don't worry about it baron. They/it seem to think your me and they/it seem to think i have a gazillion accounts here. Who knew

Is that what this has been all about? I kinda thought that's what they may be implying, but it seemed a little idiotic to say the least. If their so concerned, ask admin (Andrew). I am one person with one account. That's so lame. I'm pretty sure even though he doesn't know me, Collector could vouch that we aren't the same.

The reason this thing happens is because there have been posters that were kicked off the board for one reason or another and then show up again under a different name. Some of them liked to have conversations with themselves here too. Go figure. I haven't got that feeling from you Baron.

Thanks! Yeah, I know people do that. I also post on kissfaq.com forums (under the same exact name) and there are supposed banned people doing it all the time, but because they use the same modus operandi they get found out by the others rather quickly. I guess agreeing with some people or having a similar opinion here makes you the same person.

Or if you don't have the popular point of view, don't play follow the leader, drink the bathwater or whatever you want to label it then you are a whiner and a troll to some here.

Ah, how cute. Now you're whining about me calling you a whiner. Too funny.

That seems to be the only thing your good at.

[artinis1]

from nick,

back to the original subject matter, ok they have announced regenaration 2, don't care for it, where is the dvd or when is an announcement coming? anyone