Nothing New - Why?

[Boomchild]

oesn't matter and actually, in Canada, it did QUITE well-

Oh, wow, and in Brazil it was #1 for 52 weeks. Nobody gives a crap about Canada...and nobody who isn't a fanboy trying to prove a fantasy. It did nothing in the markets that actually sell a lot of CD's.

And regardless of what you think, it's still an achievement for an artist at Dennis' stage of his career. Not to mention that Styx who has the name behind them hasn't even achieved that much. Plus they have a native Canadian in their band.

[Babyblue]

I would rather see a band (Styx) release a CD of new music every two or three years than hear the same songs played over and over every summer.
My hunch is that Styx has actually written and recorded a lot of music over the past few years and they are just not happy with the results.
Also, I agree that a true artist will keep releasing new music regardless of sales...its not like they (Styx) are going to lose money.
If bands like Whitesnake, REM, and John Waite have the ambition and drive to put out new music, then why not Styx.

Lastly, I am actually surprised Gowan has stuck around based on their output of new music, how can the guy prove himself with one CD in ten years?

I agree with you.If you have heard any of his music he is great.I think he and Tommy could write some great music.

[brywool]

I didn't say I liked the idea of Rgeneration 1 and 2 (and 3, if it happens) I said people here don't like the totality of what they have done since Cyclorama, and ignore the FACT that they haven't been totally idle. They bitch and complain when they DO something. They bitch and complain when they don't. If they released an album of new 12 new songs, they'd bitch and complain about that too. That is what this forum is for - bitching and complaining about EVERYTHING Styx does and does not do.

If they did an album of 12 new songs, I'd be overjoyed and would buy it IMMEDIATELY. Same with Dennis and I did.
DIFFERENT people here complain about DIFFERENT things depending on what's important to them.
NEW MUSIC from THIS BAND (Either of them) is important to me. I thought Cyclo was a great album. No secret there. I was hungry for another one. I mean- FINALLY a new and fairly current sounding STYX after waiting a long time. Then to have them not choose to move ahead in that direction was a bummer.

[brywool]

If Dennis was smart, he'd get back in the studio RIGHT NOW and give Styx fans new music. He could totally one up his former band.

Yeah, because his last album...what was it called? did so well.

Doesn't matter and actually, in Canada, it did QUITE well-

Oh, wow, and in Brazil it was #1 for 52 weeks. Nobody gives a crap about Canada...and nobody who isn't a fanboy trying to prove a fantasy. It did nothing in the markets that actually sell a lot of CD's.

Sales from classic rock artists don't mean a lot these days unless they are through the roof and that's extremely rare for classic rock acts to pull off. Dennis doing another record sends a signal that "I'm ready to give my fans new music- and if I was really the creative force in Styx, here's proof".

I'd love to see him do it. But, unless it is another Broadway album for some musical he is writing, I doubt it will ever happen.

I would think the diehard Styx fans would appreciate that more than "... okay, here's another version of Blue Collar Man".

I would bet you see another live album from Dennis and his band covering Tommy's songs before you see another new solo album. In fact, that may be why the new Styx DVD is coming out - Tommy agrees to let Dennis release his Styx songs, and Dennis agrees to let Styx release his songs. Sounds fair to me.

If they're just going around doing the same old thing for 30 years, that's going to get old and quite frankly, I can't imagine that for either camp playing the same old songs, night after night, with the same arrangements could be nothing short of maddening.

Again, I'll point to LRB. They have been doing the same thing for almost 20yrs...and they STILL tour and hardly ever record anything new. If any of these bands should die, it is them.

Styx will be around as long ans JY and Tommy are both alive and willing to tour. I'm thankful for that.

As to your comments about LRB- Um, who cares about them? Didn't like them then, won't like them now. Not my thing.
As for Dennis' achievements and "Who Cares?"- that's how Americans are... if it didn't happen big here, it didn't happen. In the early 80s, that could very well be. But take a band like Bon Jovi (please take them...)- they had great success here. Then they didn't. However in Britain, they were HUGE. That's not something to downplay. It kept them alive for sure. Gee, thanks England (just kidding, bj's okay). In Canada- that is where Styx's first big success was and that success pushed them to do more. I wish Dennis would do the same and stay out of the Broadway thing and be a rock musician. I know many loved Hunchback, but hold that up to 100 Years From Now and it's just a pile of crap. Dennis got a bit of momentum with 100YFN, he should run with it.

[gr8dane]

I would rather see a band (Styx) release a CD of new music every two or three years than hear the same songs played over and over every summer.
My hunch is that Styx has actually written and recorded a lot of music over the past few years and they are just not happy with the results.
Also, I agree that a true artist will keep releasing new music regardless of sales...its not like they (Styx) are going to lose money.
If bands like Whitesnake, REM, and John Waite have the ambition and drive to put out new music, then why not Styx.

Lastly, I am actually surprised Gowan has stuck around based on their output of new music, how can the guy prove himself with one CD in ten years?

Just because Styx is not putting out music,does not mean Gowan is not writing.
I would be surprised if he did not have loads of stuff to work with, for when the timing is right.

[brywool]

Just because Styx is not putting out music,does not mean Gowan is not writing.
I would be surprised if he did not have loads of stuff to work with, for when the timing is right.

Hopefully that's the case with all the players. However, these guys are getting up there.
The timing is right NOW.

[Rockwriter]

That is such a lame comment.

they have the name Styx for the same reason Journey is still Journey and DDY attaches :"Styx" to his shows - because that is what sells tickets. Neal tried REPEATEDLY to go on without Journey and simply couldn't. The closest he came was with BE...but NOTHING else he has done has been even close to Journey. If Styx changed their name to : Hardline, Abraxas Pool, Soul Sirkus,etc, they would have the same level of recording success as Neal did - and wouldn't be able to tour - at all. Why would any venue book some new band with a bunch of senior citizens from an 35yr old rock band whose name they refuse to use?

It's all a matter of choices there, Monker!! They either want to forge ahead, spread their artisic wings and make new
STYX music or they want to rest on their laurels and use that as an excuse. From what I understand, they wanted 'ol Dennis out so they
could do things their way ...is this the STYX way?!? I don't remember it being so. Journey is a bit different as far as I'm concerned,
seems to me they've tried a number of different scenarios, losing fans along the way, but picking up several more. They have managed
to maintain an extremely respectable level of success in spite of their fans.
I think it's all about risks ...and that in itself is very respectable, whether or not the fans like those risks ...Im not getting that
same vibe from Styx. Choices!!

If Hardline would have taken off and had hits like Bad English, there would have been no Journey reunion.

If Soul Sirkus would have taken off, or if PlanetUS had happened with Sammy Hagar, then Journey would have become Neal's side project...or broken up. In fact, with JSS joining Journey, it may as well have been Soul Sirkus covering Journey songs...So, if that's what Neal wanted, why not change the name? Because it was proven to him that no matter how good the music is that he records outside of Journey - it doesn't sell like Journey does, not albums, and not tickets.

You asked what good the Styx name is doing them, and I told you. You may not like the answer, but that is what it is.

Why does Dennis tour with "the music of Styx" and replace THE ENTIRE BAND? Because that is what puts butts in the seats. The average person doesn't give a damn about "Dessert Moon", "100 Years From Now" or Hunchback. They want Babe and Lady, and a Kilroy mask. They would rather hear a Journey tribute guitarist cover Tommy's songs then hear Dennis' solo songs. If he hadn't made that change, I think he would have stopped touring. Styx is what sells - not Dennis DeYoung.

On Perry's last tour, why did he perform mostly Journey songs? He had two solo albums...he didn't have to do that. But, that is what people expect....Journey. Perry touring and not singing Journey would be incredibly foolish - because his solo career is no where near as popular as Journey. Without Journey Perry is nothing.

Dennis got kicked out because he wanted them to delay the tour following the reunion album indefinitely. Then he sued the band. Not even Steve Perry sued the band. Yeah, Styx vented a lot of frustration about their history with Dennis. So what? Frankly, that's irrelevant to me. They tour FAR more then they ever would with Dennis in the band. Styx is MUCH more of a 'band' now, IMO, then Dennis and his backup musicians who follow their leader's footsteps.

Again, it's not much different then Journey. If Perry were in the band after TBF, Journey would be a band that records once ever ten years and NEVER toured again. If Dennis were in the band, Styx would record in between his addiction to Hunchback and tour once every few years. I would MUCH rather have the Styx of today then one with Dennis still in it. Those who have some attachment to Dennis can still see his show. People should feel lucky for that because he could have followed Steve Perry and became more interested in baseball then recording or performing music.

Finally, it's not like Styx has sat about and done nothing since Cyclorama. It's just that people here don't like the fact that they recorded a covers album with Big Bang Theory, released the CYO album (with new songs..and even more new songs on the DVD), and the Regeneration albums (with new songs). So, people whine and bitch and moan. TOO BAD. They do what they want - and their actions are not designed to appease the whiny bitches on this forum.

Prick award

Actually Monker's right on a lot of that. However, I thought Perry did sue the band and that's why he's paid as a 6th member (or was) on the Augeri tours. CYO- I had no problem with. I enjoyed that immensely. Regeneration 1/2 are silly moves. The covers album would've been palatable had they not followed it up with even more covers.

The fact that the band chooses to squander it's songwriting creativity is the problem I have with them. That and I've already seen the old stuff done to death. They need to take a break and get creative and do an album of original new songs.

No...they negotiated Perry out of the band. He agreed to let them continue on under "whatever" conditions....which I don't think anybody REALLY knows...and he never sued the band.

I didn't say I liked the idea of Rgeneration 1 and 2 (and 3, if it happens) I said people here don't like the totality of what they have done since Cyclorama, and ignore the FACT that they haven't been totally idle. They bitch and complain when they DO something. They bitch and complain when they don't. If they released an album of new 12 new songs, they'd bitch and complain about that too. That is what this forum is for - bitching and complaining about EVERYTHING Styx does and does not do.

You just actually hit on the very reason Perry didn't sue Journey, and Dennis sued Styx. Journey had the sense to settle their partnership affairs with perry BEFORE they tried to do anything else. That's the proper way to do it. Styx went out and toured without a founding/voting member who was also part owner in the copyright, and also exploited his visual and vocal identity to sell shows in which he was not taking part . . . and without paying him according to court documents. He held off suing them for an entire year, basically. He only sued them after they announced publicly that they would not have him back. At that point what was he supposed to say? "Okay, cool go ahead and keep all of the partnership assets we've accrued together over 30 years, and also use my likeness to promote your shows, no need to settle up with me, no problem"? That's crazy, nobody would ever do that. Why would anyone ever do that? You're talking about millions of dollars, part of which was rightfully his. He was correct in exercising his remedy at law.

People make such a giant deal about this lawsuit, and it was a relatively minor skirmish in the grand scheme of lawsuits. It lasted just one year, settled out of court, and nobody got anywhere near as damaged as they could have been. As usual, the real winners were the lawyers from both sides, who logged quite a few billable hours posturing back and forth. Compared to the spate of lawsuits from Wooden Nickel it was nothing. Compared to the 20 years of lawsuits that the Beatles engaged in over the dissolve of Apple Corps it isn't worth mentioning. Hell, even compared to the eight years of lawsuits at the end of Triumph it's nothing. As band-ending lawsuits go it was just nothing. Of course it's easy for me to say that because it wasn't my money!

Everyone has to understand that this is the natural course of business as usual. In Nashville there's an old saying, "Where there's a hit, there's a writ." LOL. Virtually everyone ever involved in the production of any successful sound recording in the history of the world has been sued multiple times. That's the way it is. This is no different. Litigation exists for that very reason . . . to settle legal differences in instances where the involved parties are unable to settle them for themselves. It doesn't make one side noble and the other evil. It's simply a way to mediate who's going to get what when a partnership breaks up and there are substantial material assets. Of course it tends to engender ill will between the involved parties, but why should it engender ill will in anyone else?


Sterling

[Rockwriter]

For me the answer seems plain and simple, this is not a band that is interested in producing new music. .

Well actually they are very interested in making new music. But there are a couple of things holding them back. Money and effort is one thing. Why pour your heart and soul into creating something new if there will be no return. Their reputation is another. A new STYX album comes with a lot of baggage. Look how they got slammed after releasing Brave New World. There are high expectations for any release with the name STYX on it.

Tommy on the other hand can release new music without the weight or expectation that comes with a new STYX album. What he is doing is not much more than a vanity project to satisfy his muse.

You'd think
they could remove that huge burden/cross by changing their name ...what good is it doing them?!?
Is it just a haha thing ...like who's crying now?!?

That is such a lame comment.

they have the name Styx for the same reason Journey is still Journey and DDY attaches :"Styx" to his shows - because that is what sells tickets. Neal tried REPEATEDLY to go on without Journey and simply couldn't. The closest he came was with BE...but NOTHING else he has done has been even close to Journey. If Styx changed their name to : Hardline, Abraxas Pool, Soul Sirkus,etc, they would have the same level of recording success as Neal did - and wouldn't be able to tour - at all. Why would any venue book some new band with a bunch of senior citizens from an 35yr old rock band whose name they refuse to use?

That it absolutely true. Take the band as it is now, call it the Shaw/Young Band, and see who shows up. Good luck.

Take Dennis and let him advertise without the Styx name, and see who shows up. Good luck.

That's not disparagement, it's just simple branding. Classic rock bookings are all about marketplace recognition.

Sterling

[Don]

You just actually hit on the very reason Perry didn't sue Journey, and Dennis sued Styx. Journey had the sense to settle their partnership affairs with perry BEFORE they tried to do anything else. That's the proper way to do it. Styx went out and toured without a founding/voting member who was also part owner in the copyright, and also exploited his visual and vocal identity to sell shows in which he was not taking part . . . and without paying him according to court documents. He held off suing them for an entire year, basically. He only sued them after they announced publicly that they would not have him back. At that point what was he supposed to say? "Okay, cool go ahead and keep all of the partnership assets we've accrued together over 30 years, and also use my likeness to promote your shows, no need to settle up with me, no problem"? That's crazy, nobody would ever do that. Why would anyone ever do that? You're talking about millions of dollars, part of which was rightfully his. He was correct in exercising his remedy at law.

People make such a giant deal about this lawsuit, and it was a relatively minor skirmish in the grand scheme of lawsuits. It lasted just one year, settled out of court, and nobody got anywhere near as damaged as they could have been. As usual, the real winners were the lawyers from both sides, who logged quite a few billable hours posturing back and forth. Compared to the spate of lawsuits from Wooden Nickel it was nothing. Compared to the 20 years of lawsuits that the Beatles engaged in over the dissolve of Apple Corps it isn't worth mentioning. Hell, even compared to the eight years of lawsuits at the end of Triumph it's nothing. As band-ending lawsuits go it was just nothing. Of course it's easy for me to say that because it wasn't my money!

Everyone has to understand that this is the natural course of business as usual. In Nashville there's an old saying, "Where there's a hit, there's a writ." LOL. Virtually everyone ever involved in the production of any successful sound recording in the history of the world has been sued multiple times. That's the way it is. This is no different. Litigation exists for that very reason . . . to settle legal differences in instances where the involved parties are unable to settle them for themselves. It doesn't make one side noble and the other evil. It's simply a way to mediate who's going to get what when a partnership breaks up and there are substantial material assets. Of course it tends to engender ill will between the involved parties, but why should it engender ill will in anyone else?


Sterling

It's all business, as you said. Look at Roger Walters and David Gilmour. That got very nasty and yet, they've managed to put things under the bridge for the most part. Maybe only collaborating on charity efforts now but still, they let go of the hate before it was too late.

[styxfanNH]

You mean promote a song under a different name like...(XTS) I Will Be Your Witness: 1999.

No one would play it....

[Michigan Girl]

Thank you, Sterling, very interesting information!
Anyone w/good sense is aware that it's not as
simple as firing a partner because they
don't show up for work ...in the music biz, or
otherwise.

[froy]

I would rather see a band (Styx) release a CD of new music every two or three years than hear the same songs played over and over every summer.
My hunch is that Styx has actually written and recorded a lot of music over the past few years and they are just not happy with the results.
Also, I agree that a true artist will keep releasing new music regardless of sales...its not like they (Styx) are going to lose money.
If bands like Whitesnake, REM, and John Waite have the ambition and drive to put out new music, then why not Styx.

Lastly, I am actually surprised Gowan has stuck around based on their output of new music, how can the guy prove himself with one CD in ten years?

Just because Styx is not putting out music,does not mean Gowan is not writing.
I would be surprised if he did not have loads of stuff to work with, for when the timing is right.

Yea loads of shit Who cares about Gowan he 's garbage.

[Toph]

You mean promote a song under a different name like...(XTS) I Will Be Your Witness: 1999.

No one would play it....

Yet another dumb ass move...is it the band that has become this stupid or is it Charlie Brusco?

[Boomchild]

That is such a lame comment.

they have the name Styx for the same reason Journey is still Journey and DDY attaches :"Styx" to his shows - because that is what sells tickets. Neal tried REPEATEDLY to go on without Journey and simply couldn't. The closest he came was with BE...but NOTHING else he has done has been even close to Journey. If Styx changed their name to : Hardline, Abraxas Pool, Soul Sirkus,etc, they would have the same level of recording success as Neal did - and wouldn't be able to tour - at all. Why would any venue book some new band with a bunch of senior citizens from an 35yr old rock band whose name they refuse to use?

It's all a matter of choices there, Monker!! They either want to forge ahead, spread their artisic wings and make new
STYX music or they want to rest on their laurels and use that as an excuse. From what I understand, they wanted 'ol Dennis out so they
could do things their way ...is this the STYX way?!? I don't remember it being so. Journey is a bit different as far as I'm concerned,
seems to me they've tried a number of different scenarios, losing fans along the way, but picking up several more. They have managed
to maintain an extremely respectable level of success in spite of their fans.
I think it's all about risks ...and that in itself is very respectable, whether or not the fans like those risks ...Im not getting that
same vibe from Styx. Choices!!

If Hardline would have taken off and had hits like Bad English, there would have been no Journey reunion.

If Soul Sirkus would have taken off, or if PlanetUS had happened with Sammy Hagar, then Journey would have become Neal's side project...or broken up. In fact, with JSS joining Journey, it may as well have been Soul Sirkus covering Journey songs...So, if that's what Neal wanted, why not change the name? Because it was proven to him that no matter how good the music is that he records outside of Journey - it doesn't sell like Journey does, not albums, and not tickets.

You asked what good the Styx name is doing them, and I told you. You may not like the answer, but that is what it is.

Why does Dennis tour with "the music of Styx" and replace THE ENTIRE BAND? Because that is what puts butts in the seats. The average person doesn't give a damn about "Dessert Moon", "100 Years From Now" or Hunchback. They want Babe and Lady, and a Kilroy mask. They would rather hear a Journey tribute guitarist cover Tommy's songs then hear Dennis' solo songs. If he hadn't made that change, I think he would have stopped touring. Styx is what sells - not Dennis DeYoung.

On Perry's last tour, why did he perform mostly Journey songs? He had two solo albums...he didn't have to do that. But, that is what people expect....Journey. Perry touring and not singing Journey would be incredibly foolish - because his solo career is no where near as popular as Journey. Without Journey Perry is nothing.

Dennis got kicked out because he wanted them to delay the tour following the reunion album indefinitely. Then he sued the band. Not even Steve Perry sued the band. Yeah, Styx vented a lot of frustration about their history with Dennis. So what? Frankly, that's irrelevant to me. They tour FAR more then they ever would with Dennis in the band. Styx is MUCH more of a 'band' now, IMO, then Dennis and his backup musicians who follow their leader's footsteps.

Again, it's not much different then Journey. If Perry were in the band after TBF, Journey would be a band that records once ever ten years and NEVER toured again. If Dennis were in the band, Styx would record in between his addiction to Hunchback and tour once every few years. I would MUCH rather have the Styx of today then one with Dennis still in it. Those who have some attachment to Dennis can still see his show. People should feel lucky for that because he could have followed Steve Perry and became more interested in baseball then recording or performing music.

Finally, it's not like Styx has sat about and done nothing since Cyclorama. It's just that people here don't like the fact that they recorded a covers album with Big Bang Theory, released the CYO album (with new songs..and even more new songs on the DVD), and the Regeneration albums (with new songs). So, people whine and bitch and moan. TOO BAD. They do what they want - and their actions are not designed to appease the whiny bitches on this forum.

Prick award

Actually Monker's right on a lot of that. However, I thought Perry did sue the band and that's why he's paid as a 6th member (or was) on the Augeri tours. CYO- I had no problem with. I enjoyed that immensely. Regeneration 1/2 are silly moves. The covers album would've been palatable had they not followed it up with even more covers.

The fact that the band chooses to squander it's songwriting creativity is the problem I have with them. That and I've already seen the old stuff done to death. They need to take a break and get creative and do an album of original new songs.

No...they negotiated Perry out of the band. He agreed to let them continue on under "whatever" conditions....which I don't think anybody REALLY knows...and he never sued the band.

I didn't say I liked the idea of Rgeneration 1 and 2 (and 3, if it happens) I said people here don't like the totality of what they have done since Cyclorama, and ignore the FACT that they haven't been totally idle. They bitch and complain when they DO something. They bitch and complain when they don't. If they released an album of new 12 new songs, they'd bitch and complain about that too. That is what this forum is for - bitching and complaining about EVERYTHING Styx does and does not do.

You just actually hit on the very reason Perry didn't sue Journey, and Dennis sued Styx. Journey had the sense to settle their partnership affairs with perry BEFORE they tried to do anything else. That's the proper way to do it. Styx went out and toured without a founding/voting member who was also part owner in the copyright, and also exploited his visual and vocal identity to sell shows in which he was not taking part . . . and without paying him according to court documents. He held off suing them for an entire year, basically. He only sued them after they announced publicly that they would not have him back. At that point what was he supposed to say? "Okay, cool go ahead and keep all of the partnership assets we've accrued together over 30 years, and also use my likeness to promote your shows, no need to settle up with me, no problem"? That's crazy, nobody would ever do that. Why would anyone ever do that? You're talking about millions of dollars, part of which was rightfully his. He was correct in exercising his remedy at law.

People make such a giant deal about this lawsuit, and it was a relatively minor skirmish in the grand scheme of lawsuits. It lasted just one year, settled out of court, and nobody got anywhere near as damaged as they could have been. As usual, the real winners were the lawyers from both sides, who logged quite a few billable hours posturing back and forth. Compared to the spate of lawsuits from Wooden Nickel it was nothing. Compared to the 20 years of lawsuits that the Beatles engaged in over the dissolve of Apple Corps it isn't worth mentioning. Hell, even compared to the eight years of lawsuits at the end of Triumph it's nothing. As band-ending lawsuits go it was just nothing. Of course it's easy for me to say that because it wasn't my money!

Everyone has to understand that this is the natural course of business as usual. In Nashville there's an old saying, "Where there's a hit, there's a writ." LOL. Virtually everyone ever involved in the production of any successful sound recording in the history of the world has been sued multiple times. That's the way it is. This is no different. Litigation exists for that very reason . . . to settle legal differences in instances where the involved parties are unable to settle them for themselves. It doesn't make one side noble and the other evil. It's simply a way to mediate who's going to get what when a partnership breaks up and there are substantial material assets. Of course it tends to engender ill will between the involved parties, but why should it engender ill will in anyone else?


Sterling

Sorry Sterling, according to Monker your wrong. Dennis sued his former band mates because he is just a whiny bitch crybaby.

[Boomchild]

You mean promote a song under a different name like...(XTS) I Will Be Your Witness: 1999.

No one would play it....

Yet another dumb ass move...is it the band that has become this stupid or is it Charlie Brusco?

It sure was a lame attempt to try and get something played by making them think it was a unknown band.

[bugsymalone]

Sorry Sterling, according to Monker your wrong. Dennis sued his former band mates because he is just a whiny bitch crybaby.

Yeah. And by what right did Dennis think he could sue? He had NO hand in the band's success. His songs sucked 'cause they were all so "Broadway". He was not the founder [Insert revisionist history here]. All the hit songs he wrote were just accidents or were really not written by him at all or were hits not because of him but because of the rest of the band [Insert more revisionist history here].

So he had no grounds at all. That whiny crybaby. Kicked to the curb is where he belonged and where he should have stayed.


Bugsy

[Michigan Girl]

I thought Monker was referring to us/me/we/the fans as whiny bitches ...

[Monker]

I thought Monker was referring to us/me/we/the fans as whiny bitches ...

No, not you. Mostly: froy, Toph, Ash, and Boomchild.

No decent thread can exist on this forum because of their constant bitching and whining about everything Styx does and deosn't do.


You? You're just a Journey troll

[Michigan Girl]

I thought Monker was referring to us/me/we/the fans as whiny bitches ...

No, not you. Mostly: froy, Toph, Ash, and Boomchild.

No decent thread can exist on this forum because of their constant bitching and whining about everything Styx does and deosn't do.


You? You're just a Journey troll

[Boomchild]

I thought Monker was referring to us/me/we/the fans as whiny bitches ...

No, not you. Mostly: froy, Toph, Ash, and Boomchild.

No decent thread can exist on this forum because of their constant bitching and whining about everything Styx does and deosn't do.


You? You're just a Journey troll

And you follow right behind whining about other peoples opinions. Big whoop.