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Postby Monker » Wed Jul 27, 2011 11:30 am

Abitaman wrote:I am a Styx fan and DDY fan....but.............

Styx can not take the time to record a new cd of new material, but they can take the time to rerecord classics. And Larry is working on a new cd, and Tommy just made a solo cd!

Something is not right.

I am still a Styx fan, but if they are not goimadeo mCDe a cd, give the name to Dennis and let him tour as Styx and Tommy and Jy as the music of....

If DDY will not make new music with the name, stay solo and rest of the band solo too. Getting tired of this crap!!!


There is no label of any significance that who would release EITHER a Styx of DDY album.

So, they would have to do it all on their own...and that DOES take time and money to do.
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Postby froy » Wed Jul 27, 2011 11:30 am

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froy wrote:
Abitaman wrote:I am a Styx fan and DDY fan....but.............

Styx can not take the time to record a new cd of new material, but they can take the time to rerecord classics. And Larry is working on a new cd, and Tommy just made a solo cd!

Something is not right.


Funny thing is the Beatles made an album in about 2 days Gowan say's it would take 8 months Goes to show just how full of shit that goof is,
Gowan is a prick case closed,


What's a prick case?


Your big mouth that's what,
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Postby Boomchild » Wed Jul 27, 2011 12:35 pm

Cassie May wrote:
Abitaman wrote:I am a Styx fan and DDY fan....but.............

Styx can not take the time to record a new cd of new material, but they can take the time to rerecord classics. And Larry is working on a new cd, and Tommy just made a solo cd!

Something is not right.

I am still a Styx fan, but if they are not goimadeo mCDe a cd, give the name to Dennis and let him tour as Styx and Tommy and Jy as the music of....

If DDY will not make new music with the name, stay solo and rest of the band solo too. Getting tired of this crap!!!



Keep in mind that Tommy did not "just make" his CD....He started it in 2003, worked on it slowly as his (and Brad Davis') schedule allowed, and worked on it much more during the winter of 2009 while he was off the road from Styx. So, it was a long, slow process, done when it would not interfere with his "day job."

But, I agree, new music would be nice.


So what prevented Tommy from working on a new Styx album during the winter when the band was off the road? People will pull out every excuse in the book as to why we have not seem a album of new material from what has been referred to as "The Best Version of Styx Ever". Isn't best just to come out with the truth which is the band has no interest in making a complete album of new material.
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Postby gr8dane » Wed Jul 27, 2011 7:57 pm

froy wrote:
gr8dane wrote:
froy wrote:
Abitaman wrote:I am a Styx fan and DDY fan....but.............

Styx can not take the time to record a new cd of new material, but they can take the time to rerecord classics. And Larry is working on a new cd, and Tommy just made a solo cd!

Something is not right.


Funny thing is the Beatles made an album in about 2 days Gowan say's it would take 8 months Goes to show just how full of shit that goof is,
Gowan is a prick case closed,


What's a prick case?


Your big mouth that's what,


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Postby Ash » Wed Jul 27, 2011 8:58 pm

The only thing really interesting in this thread (to me) is the talk about times to make albums. I, too, wonder why it takes such a long time to make a record. Sure - you have to write the songs and rehearse them and work out the parts. There is the whole creative aspect and I can appreciate that as much as someone who doesn't have a musically creative bone in my body can.

But these guys used to crank out a record a year ... and they were damn quality records at that. I'm realistic enough to know that sure, they're older and have a lot of other things going on and that touring likely pays WAY better than selling music these days, but I think it comes down to legacy and throwing your fans a bone. If it took them 8 months to write and record a record back in the late 1970's we'd have never had many of those classics we now enjoy. Can you imagine if they had taken 4 years between Grand Illusion and Pieces of Eight? That's likely what would have happened if those albums had been made today. These days you're lucky to get a new album every two years from your favorite bands. When acts like Kansas, Styx, Journey and REO used to routinely write and record and strike the muse.

As for the other stuff about Glen. Facinating. I don't think it's going out on a limb to say that Zan knows Glen likely better than anyone else on the board. And Glen himself has spoken on this at least half a thousand times. I remember him saying that the only "side" he was on was his side. Sure he and Dennis may have had some issues over some things said in interviews (what... TWELVE years ago?), but adult attitudes usually prevail and everyone works through it and moves on.

So the bottom line is - it's become easier and cheaper to make records, but those records are fewer and further between. If you ask me, that just does't make any sense. Didn't Glen say he was working on some new music? I think I saw him talk about that on facebook a few weeks ago.

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Postby Babyblue » Wed Jul 27, 2011 10:38 pm

gr8dane wrote:
froy wrote:
gr8dane wrote:
froy wrote:
Abitaman wrote:I am a Styx fan and DDY fan....but.............

Styx can not take the time to record a new cd of new material, but they can take the time to rerecord classics. And Larry is working on a new cd, and Tommy just made a solo cd!

Something is not right.


Funny thing is the Beatles made an album in about 2 days Gowan say's it would take 8 months Goes to show just how full of shit that goof is,
Gowan is a prick case closed,


What's a prick case?


Your big mouth that's what,


Munch munch.Nice one.
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Postby Zan » Wed Jul 27, 2011 11:41 pm

Ash wrote:And Glen himself has spoken on this at least half a thousand times.



Ah yes, Ash...but Toph has easily spoken on this triple that amount. Clearly, he is the expert.
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Postby Rockwriter » Thu Jul 28, 2011 12:20 am

Monker wrote:
Abitaman wrote:I am a Styx fan and DDY fan....but.............

Styx can not take the time to record a new cd of new material, but they can take the time to rerecord classics. And Larry is working on a new cd, and Tommy just made a solo cd!

Something is not right.

I am still a Styx fan, but if they are not goimadeo mCDe a cd, give the name to Dennis and let him tour as Styx and Tommy and Jy as the music of....

If DDY will not make new music with the name, stay solo and rest of the band solo too. Getting tired of this crap!!!


There is no label of any significance that who would release EITHER a Styx of DDY album.

So, they would have to do it all on their own...and that DOES take time and money to do.


In all fairness, I DO think Frontiers would sign Styx in a second. And while it's not the biggest label on the planet, it specializes in marketing older acts. Look at how well the new Yes album is doing, even without Jon or Rick there. It's a chart hit all over the world. A big surprise, because I frankly expected it to tank.

That said, it clearly isn't what the people running the band want to do, and it's entirely their call. So it is what it is. I'm pretty sure it's not the end of the world, LOL.


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Postby Rockwriter » Thu Jul 28, 2011 12:34 am

Ash wrote:The only thing really interesting in this thread (to me) is the talk about times to make albums. I, too, wonder why it takes such a long time to make a record. Sure - you have to write the songs and rehearse them and work out the parts. There is the whole creative aspect and I can appreciate that as much as someone who doesn't have a musically creative bone in my body can.

But these guys used to crank out a record a year ... and they were damn quality records at that. I'm realistic enough to know that sure, they're older and have a lot of other things going on and that touring likely pays WAY better than selling music these days, but I think it comes down to legacy and throwing your fans a bone. If it took them 8 months to write and record a record back in the late 1970's we'd have never had many of those classics we now enjoy. Can you imagine if they had taken 4 years between Grand Illusion and Pieces of Eight? That's likely what would have happened if those albums had been made today. These days you're lucky to get a new album every two years from your favorite bands. When acts like Kansas, Styx, Journey and REO used to routinely write and record and strike the muse.

As for the other stuff about Glen. Facinating. I don't think it's going out on a limb to say that Zan knows Glen likely better than anyone else on the board. And Glen himself has spoken on this at least half a thousand times. I remember him saying that the only "side" he was on was his side. Sure he and Dennis may have had some issues over some things said in interviews (what... TWELVE years ago?), but adult attitudes usually prevail and everyone works through it and moves on.

So the bottom line is - it's become easier and cheaper to make records, but those records are fewer and further between. If you ask me, that just does't make any sense. Didn't Glen say he was working on some new music? I think I saw him talk about that on facebook a few weeks ago.

Artists create. Can you imagine if Picasso had stopped painting because nobody bought his paintings? Oh wait... nobody DID buy his paintings until after he was dead. My bad.


In my recent interview with Michael Sweet, we talked about the new Stryper album 'The Covering,' and it was eye-opening. It's a really good record (for what it is), and they actually got together and did the tracks instead of mailing them around. And the total budget was $30,000. So the notion that you can't do a new album for anything other than a fortune is crap. I have a friend here in Nashville who used to be with Virgin Nashville, and he did his last record himself for about $10,000 and it sounded better than the Virgin album he did that cost almost a quarter of a million dollars.

Theoretically Styx could write the songs on buses, at home on breaks and such, get them all in a pile and re-work them as a band at rehearsals, on the bus and so on. They could demo them at home and mail parts around for approval until they had the arrangements worked out. Then each guy could learn his parts individually. Then they could block out a huge chunk of time at a studio, about two straight weeks and force a good deal, and everyone get in there and burn through the ground tracks live, then go back and do fixes while everyone's there. That's your major expense but it can be managed and budgeted carefully.

After that, vocals can be added at home for no money, then duck back in with just the singers to do the backgrounds together (I don't like the way the BGVs sound when they are pieced together), then stick the solos on and you're done. It doesn't have to be a big ordeal. Styx is just USED to it being a big ordeal because that's the way the band has always recorded. A new album doesn't have to cost $750,000 or some crazy thing, like EOTC where they spent a month trying to get a drum sound. EOTC would have been a damn sight better if they'd recorded it in two weeks. The more you work on a thing, the more you cut it to pieces and weaken it, especially in rock music.

Here again, it's very readily possible for Styx to do a new record. The people running the band don't want to. And for my money, I'd just as soon not have a new record from the band if their heart is not really in it. What's the point of that?


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Postby froy » Thu Jul 28, 2011 12:50 am

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Postby pinkfloyd1973 » Thu Jul 28, 2011 1:22 am

Ash wrote:As for the other stuff about Glen. Facinating. I don't think it's going out on a limb to say that Zan knows Glen likely better than anyone else on the board. And Glen himself has spoken on this at least half a thousand times. I remember him saying that the only "side" he was on was his side. Sure he and Dennis may have had some issues over some things said in interviews (what... TWELVE years ago?), but adult attitudes usually prevail and everyone works through it and moves on.





Must have been, since Glen and Dennis did a few dates together long after Glen left Styx for good :?
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Postby Boomchild » Thu Jul 28, 2011 2:11 am

Rockwriter wrote:
Here again, it's very readily possible for Styx to do a new record. The people running the band don't want to.

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Yep, that's it in a nutshell. To bad that the band just doesn't come out and say it instead of every other excuse that has been made.
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Postby Abitaman » Thu Jul 28, 2011 7:41 am

froy wrote:
Abitaman wrote:I am a Styx fan and DDY fan....but.............

Styx can not take the time to record a new cd of new material, but they can take the time to rerecord classics. And Larry is working on a new cd, and Tommy just made a solo cd!

Something is not right.


Gowan is a prick case closed,


Disagree.
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Postby Monker » Thu Jul 28, 2011 12:50 pm

Rockwriter wrote:
Ash wrote:The only thing really interesting in this thread (to me) is the talk about times to make albums. I, too, wonder why it takes such a long time to make a record. Sure - you have to write the songs and rehearse them and work out the parts. There is the whole creative aspect and I can appreciate that as much as someone who doesn't have a musically creative bone in my body can.

But these guys used to crank out a record a year ... and they were damn quality records at that. I'm realistic enough to know that sure, they're older and have a lot of other things going on and that touring likely pays WAY better than selling music these days, but I think it comes down to legacy and throwing your fans a bone. If it took them 8 months to write and record a record back in the late 1970's we'd have never had many of those classics we now enjoy. Can you imagine if they had taken 4 years between Grand Illusion and Pieces of Eight? That's likely what would have happened if those albums had been made today. These days you're lucky to get a new album every two years from your favorite bands. When acts like Kansas, Styx, Journey and REO used to routinely write and record and strike the muse.

As for the other stuff about Glen. Facinating. I don't think it's going out on a limb to say that Zan knows Glen likely better than anyone else on the board. And Glen himself has spoken on this at least half a thousand times. I remember him saying that the only "side" he was on was his side. Sure he and Dennis may have had some issues over some things said in interviews (what... TWELVE years ago?), but adult attitudes usually prevail and everyone works through it and moves on.

So the bottom line is - it's become easier and cheaper to make records, but those records are fewer and further between. If you ask me, that just does't make any sense. Didn't Glen say he was working on some new music? I think I saw him talk about that on facebook a few weeks ago.

Artists create. Can you imagine if Picasso had stopped painting because nobody bought his paintings? Oh wait... nobody DID buy his paintings until after he was dead. My bad.


In my recent interview with Michael Sweet, we talked about the new Stryper album 'The Covering,' and it was eye-opening. It's a really good record (for what it is), and they actually got together and did the tracks instead of mailing them around. And the total budget was $30,000. So the notion that you can't do a new album for anything other than a fortune is crap. I have a friend here in Nashville who used to be with Virgin Nashville, and he did his last record himself for about $10,000 and it sounded better than the Virgin album he did that cost almost a quarter of a million dollars.

Theoretically Styx could write the songs on buses, at home on breaks and such, get them all in a pile and re-work them as a band at rehearsals, on the bus and so on. They could demo them at home and mail parts around for approval until they had the arrangements worked out. Then each guy could learn his parts individually. Then they could block out a huge chunk of time at a studio, about two straight weeks and force a good deal, and everyone get in there and burn through the ground tracks live, then go back and do fixes while everyone's there. That's your major expense but it can be managed and budgeted carefully.

After that, vocals can be added at home for no money, then duck back in with just the singers to do the backgrounds together (I don't like the way the BGVs sound when they are pieced together), then stick the solos on and you're done. It doesn't have to be a big ordeal. Styx is just USED to it being a big ordeal because that's the way the band has always recorded. A new album doesn't have to cost $750,000 or some crazy thing, like EOTC where they spent a month trying to get a drum sound. EOTC would have been a damn sight better if they'd recorded it in two weeks. The more you work on a thing, the more you cut it to pieces and weaken it, especially in rock music.

Here again, it's very readily possible for Styx to do a new record. The people running the band don't want to. And for my money, I'd just as soon not have a new record from the band if their heart is not really in it. What's the point of that?


Sterling


I said a label of any significance. They are not going to get on an A&M or Universal, or Sony, or even a Wal-Mart deal like Journey HAD. Why not rerecord the old songs, if that is what THEY WANT TO DO, if it's not going to sell much anyway...and release it on their own? If they decide to record an album, it will be sold at their shows iTunes, and their website...At this point, I don't see the benefit of going through a label.

And, the same goes for Dennis...as he is even less marketable then Styx is. In fact, I doubt he will release any solo rock album of any sort.

EOTC was mediocre cuz the songwriting was mediocre...not because of production.
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Postby bugsymalone » Thu Jul 28, 2011 12:59 pm

Rockwriter wrote:
Monker wrote:
Abitaman wrote:I am a Styx fan and DDY fan....but.............

Styx can not take the time to record a new cd of new material, but they can take the time to rerecord classics. And Larry is working on a new cd, and Tommy just made a solo cd!

Something is not right.

I am still a Styx fan, but if they are not goimadeo mCDe a cd, give the name to Dennis and let him tour as Styx and Tommy and Jy as the music of....

If DDY will not make new music with the name, stay solo and rest of the band solo too. Getting tired of this crap!!!


There is no label of any significance that who would release EITHER a Styx of DDY album.

So, they would have to do it all on their own...and that DOES take time and money to do.


In all fairness, I DO think Frontiers would sign Styx in a second. And while it's not the biggest label on the planet, it specializes in marketing older acts. Look at how well the new Yes album is doing, even without Jon or Rick there. It's a chart hit all over the world. A big surprise, because I frankly expected it to tank.

That said, it clearly isn't what the people running the band want to do, and it's entirely their call. So it is what it is. I'm pretty sure it's not the end of the world, LOL.


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I know nothing about smaller labels, but I really wonder, honestly, if any label would extend Current Styx an album deal. Their sales track record is pretty pathetic on the releases they have done. I just don't see anyone taking a chance on them.

Dennis most certainly satisfied the label who took a chance on him in Canada.

I doubt at this time that either he or his former group will likely get any sort of offer, but I may be entirely wrong. I say this because I truly think it would have happened by now with all these dinosaur groups releasing albums that are doing moderately to extremely well.


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