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Postby Gin and Tonic Sky » Wed Sep 07, 2011 10:25 pm

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Fact Finder wrote:http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/05/business/in-internet-age-postal-service-struggles-to-stay-solvent-and-relevant.html

Postal Service Is Nearing Default as Losses Mount

By STEVEN GREENHOUSE

Published: September 4, 2011

The United States Postal Service has long lived on the financial edge, but it has never been as close to the precipice as it is today: the agency is so low on cash that it will not be able to make a $5.5 billion payment due this month and may have to shut down entirely this winter unless Congress takes emergency action to stabilize its finances.

Our situation is extremely serious,” the postmaster general, Patrick R. Donahoe, said in an interview. “If Congress doesn’t act, we will default.”

In recent weeks, Mr. Donahoe has been pushing a series of painful cost-cutting measures to erase the agency’s deficit, which will reach $9.2 billion this fiscal year. They include eliminating Saturday mail delivery, closing up to 3,700 postal locations and laying off 120,000 workers — nearly one-fifth of the agency’s work force — despite a no-layoffs clause in the unions’ contracts.

The post office’s problems stem from one hard reality: it is being squeezed on both revenue and costs.

As any computer user knows, the Internet revolution has led to people and businesses sending far less conventional mail.

At the same time, decades of contractual promises made to unionized workers, including no-layoff clauses, are increasing the post office’s costs. Labor represents 80 percent of the agency’s expenses, compared with 53 percent at United Parcel Service and 32 percent at FedEx, its two biggest private competitors. Postal workers also receive more generous health benefits than most other federal employees.

The Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee will hold a hearing on the agency’s predicament on Tuesday. So far, feuding Democrats and Republicans in Congress, still smarting from the brawl over the federal debt ceiling, have failed to agree on any solutions. It doesn’t help that many of the options for saving the postal service are politically unpalatable.

“The situation is dire,” said Thomas R. Carper, the Delaware Democrat who is chairman of the Senate subcommittee that oversees the postal service. “If we do nothing, if we don’t react in a smart, appropriate way, the postal service could literally close later this year. That’s not the kind of development we need to inject into a weak, uneven economic recovery.”

Missing the $5.5 billion payment due on Sept. 30, intended to finance retirees’ future health care, won’t cause immediate disaster. But sometime early next year, the agency will run out of money to pay its employees and gas up its trucks, officials warn, forcing it to stop delivering the roughly three billion pieces of mail it handles weekly.

The causes of the crisis are well known and immensely difficult to overcome.

Mail volume has plummeted with the rise of e-mail, electronic bill-paying and a Web that makes everything from fashion catalogs to news instantly available. The system will handle an estimated 167 billion pieces of mail this fiscal year, down 22 percent from five years ago.

It’s difficult to imagine that trend reversing, and pessimistic projections suggest that volume could plunge to 118 billion pieces by 2020. The law also prevents the post office from raising postage fees faster than inflation.

Meanwhile, the agency has had a tough time cutting its costs to match the revenue drop, with a history of labor contracts offering good health and pension benefits, underused post offices, and laws that restrict its ability to make basic business decisions, like reducing the frequency of deliveries.

Congress is considering numerous emergency proposals — most notably, allowing the post office to recover billions of dollars that management says it overpaid to its employees’ pension funds. That fix would help the agency get through the short-term crisis, but would delay the day of reckoning on bigger issues.

Postal service officials say one reason for their high costs is that they are legally required to provide universal service, making deliveries to 150 million addresses nationwide each week. They add that a major factor for the post office’s $20 billion in losses over the past four years is a 2006 law requiring the postal service to pay an average of $5.5 billion annually for 10 years to finance retiree health costs for the next 75 years.

But the agency’s leaders acknowledge that they must find a way to increase revenue, something that will prove far harder than simply slicing costs.


I thought the postal service was quasi-privatized a few years back and recieves no taxpayer money. :?


The problem lies in the word quasi. A quasi privatised organisation can and often is more inefficient that a fully government owned one.
The post office might have no taxpayer money, but it still is burdened with legal obligations - has to offer a "service for everybody everywhere" ,
has a monopoly on all post boxes, and is subject to governmental oversight and regulation. And workers have all the same level of Federal benefits of course So you have a government organisation with all the burdens and inefficiences of a state run business in a heavily regulated market, without the government money to feed its inefficiency. How could it not end up a mess.
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Postby Seven Wishes2 » Thu Sep 08, 2011 3:56 am

conversationpc wrote:REPUBLICAN Congress? The last I knew, it was a split Congress and Democratic-controlled for most of the last four years.


You do know the difference between the House and the Senate, don't you, Dave?
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Postby Greg » Thu Sep 08, 2011 4:15 am

Seven Wishes wrote:What conservatives want, and what is best for this country, are two completely different things.

No-one with a far-right agenda like Perry or Bachmann is going to gain ANY traction trying to govern from that extreme. By a vast majority, Americans want a President who will work with both parties and the House and Senate, and not someone who is going to cling to an extreme ideaology. It's just not reality.


Which is why President Obama is a one-term president.
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Postby Seven Wishes2 » Thu Sep 08, 2011 7:37 am

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Seven Wishes wrote:What conservatives want, and what is best for this country, are two completely different things.

No-one with a far-right agenda like Perry or Bachmann is going to gain ANY traction trying to govern from that extreme. By a vast majority, Americans want a President who will work with both parties and the House and Senate, and not someone who is going to cling to an extreme ideaology. It's just not reality.


Which is why President Obama is a one-term president.


Again, with the exception of the stimulus package - and his rhetoric aside - Obama has governed slightly right of center. Enough to alienate his constituency but also not appeal to the right.
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Postby conversationpc » Thu Sep 08, 2011 8:23 am

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conversationpc wrote:REPUBLICAN Congress? The last I knew, it was a split Congress and Democratic-controlled for most of the last four years.


You do know the difference between the House and the Senate, don't you, Dave?


Duh. Your statement said the rating for Congress, not just the House.
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Postby RedWingFan » Thu Sep 08, 2011 9:36 am

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Seven Wishes wrote:
conversationpc wrote:REPUBLICAN Congress? The last I knew, it was a split Congress and Democratic-controlled for most of the last four years.


You do know the difference between the House and the Senate, don't you, Dave?


Duh. Your statement said the rating for Congress, not just the House.

Kind of like his claim that 80% of Americans want taxes increased! :lol:
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Postby Seven Wishes2 » Thu Sep 08, 2011 10:45 am

Call me when the shuttle lands.

No, seriously, if he wasn't a cheating psycopath, he'd be a viable candidate. He is brilliant. Bernard O. would not be in this mess if he had heeded Newt's advice on handling the health care overhaul piece meal.

He IS nuts, though.
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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Fri Sep 09, 2011 1:42 am

The corrupt media has rigged the game once again. They give extensive coverage to Perry and Romney, marginalizing everyone else, and then the pundit class takes to the airwaves to declare that this is now a Perry vs. Romney race. Happens every election. If any of the lesser candidates made an impressive performance at the debate last night, would you even know?
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Postby Gin and Tonic Sky » Fri Sep 09, 2011 2:35 am

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No, seriously, if he wasn't a cheating psycopath, he'd be a viable candidate. .



It never ceases to amaze me how men will so easily agree to destroy themselves when they feel the uncontrollable urge to cum. I mean if Newt would have just gone in the mens room and knocked on one out when his wife was ill in the hospital, he wouldn't have hobbled his reputation.
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Postby Saint John » Fri Sep 09, 2011 3:45 am

Obama's Green Jobs Scam

President Obama has been talking a lot about jobs lately. But what he is not talking about is the abuse of power, the waste, and the fraud in the spending of stimulus money meant to create new jobs.

Solyndra today announced that it is filing for bankruptcy and letting go of its employees.

Two years after getting over $500 million in federally guaranteed loans from Obama's stimulus program, those workers are now receiving their last paycheck.

The Energy Department “in March 2009 announced its intention to award Solyndra Inc. a $535 million loan guarantee before receiving final copies of outside reviews typically used to vet such deals."

"An independent federal auditor who has reviewed the energy loan program said moving so quickly without completing thorough reviews risked exposing the program to claims of political influence and put taxpayers at greater risk.”

The Solyndra loan guarantee, advertised by the Obama administration as part of its grand signature effort to create green jobs while weaning the U.S. from traditional energy sources, has now been discredited as a colossal waste of stimulus money.

Every new administration brings with it a new vocabulary, very often by taking old words and supplying new meanings.

It’s all about politics.

Introducing new words and phrases are intended to WOW the public and make us think this administration has an innovative approach to governing.

The Obama administration's most recent new vocabulary includes the oxymoron, “Federal Family.”

Prior to that, we heard about “green jobs, shovel-ready jobs, stimulus jobs and phrases formerly used only in Hollywood, like “fast and furious.”

Now the Obama administration's foray into a new vocabulary is beginning to come back to haunt them. The thing about new words and phrases is that voters remember them, specifically because they have new meanings.

For example “green jobs” was a field trial headed by the Obama appointed Czar, Van Jones. Van Jones, you may recall, resigned in September 2009 for his past controversial statements, one being that he was “supporting the "9/11 truther" movement, which believes the Bush administration may have been involved in the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks.
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Postby slucero » Fri Sep 09, 2011 5:17 am

This is a good read on this mess... the WH has to be franticly scrambling right now to shut this down...

Solyndra - The Obama connection
Submitted by Bruce Krasting on 09/07/2011 13:53 -0400
http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/so ... connection


I wrote about the solar panel manufacturer Solyndra last week; "Government Investment Disaster in the Works" I highlighted all of the negatives that the company was facing.

It was pretty clear to me that that company was facing trouble. But I had no idea that they would file Chapter 11 the very next day. (Sometimes you just get lucky)

I also made note of some scuttlebutt that George Kaiser (Oklahoma oil billionaire) was involved with Solyndra. I have been looking for a confirmation of this. Kaiser is an important link in this story. He is also a very big fund-raiser for Obama. He is often referred to as a “Bundler”. In this case that means he encouraged/pushed others to put up money for the big O’s campaign.

The Tulsa World filed a story Re the Kaiser connection earlier today. (What better place to get the news than a home town paper). Quotes from the TW article:

The bankruptcy filing indicates that Argonaut Ventures, an investment arm of the Tulsa-based foundation, holds almost 39 percent of Solyndra's parent, 360 Solar Degree Holdings Inc.


Okay, so who is behind Argonaut Ventures?

In an emailed statement to the Tulsa World, a representative of the George Kaiser Family Foundation said the organization made the investment through Argonaut. So the family foundation was the source of the money that got Solyndra going. But George Kaiser tried to distance himself from this very ugly story. A quote from a Kaiser “spokesperson”:

"George Kaiser is not an investor in Solyndra and did not participate in any discussions with the U.S. government regarding the loan".


Interesting that Kaiser is doing his level best to distance himself from the stink. But it does not work for me:

George Kaiser is chairman of BOK Financial Corp. and owner of Kaiser-Francis Oil Co. Argonaut is headed by Steve Mitchell, who also served on Solyndra's board of directors.


So Kaiser wants us to believe that the Family Foundation he runs invested some $300M of the families “excess cash” and he did not really know about it. The guy who is running the family’s investments (Steve Mitchell) is also sitting on the board at Solyndra. And we are supposed to believe that George Kaiser was just a passive investor? Not a chance.

We have Mr. Kaiser on the record on this. Again, his words:

“George Kaiser did not participate in any discussions with the U.S. government regarding the loan".


He never spoke to Obama about this? Not even once? Not even when Obama went (twice) to the company’s manufacturing offices in Pa and CA? I don’t believe that denial.

There is one very slippery fact that I am wondering about. It has to do with subordination. This a legal issue on who gets paid first in a bankruptcy. In all cases the equity is last on the list. But that is not the situation with Solyndra/Kaiser. From Bloomberg:

In February, Solyndra and its lenders reorganized the company’s debts, putting the U.S. loan behind $69.3 million owed to other lenders, including an affiliate of Solyndra’s biggest shareholder, Argonaut Ventures.


This kind of stuff is not supposed to happen. The equity interest of the Kaiser family got a preference as to the right of repayment from Solyndra.

Kaiser got in front of the line. He got in front of the US Government’s $528mm IOU from Solyndra. Kaiser got in front of the interests of the American taxpayer. There had to be some very serious arm-twisting going on in the background to achieve this feat.

I’ve looked at the BK filings. The company is going to sell its assets in an effort to pay of all creditors. The question is who gets paid first and what are the liquidation proceeds.

Solyndra had lousy technology. There are tons of flat panel manufactures left standing. Whatever Solyndra has for sale is not going to be worth much. I’m guessing around 20 cents on the dollar from book. The company has listed $859mm of assets. By my calculation the cash value will be under $200mm.

There are employee claims that come first. Next in line come trade creditors. Then comes the senior unsecured debt owed to Argonaut. The lawyers (There are a ton of big shots already involved) will get their pound of flesh. That leaves next to nothing for Uncle Sam. The taxpayers are going to take it in the ear for $400-500 million.

This story will hound Obama. His campaign got big bucks from a guy who ended up costing the Feds a very big penny. This is a story that could drag Obama down. He either has to step up and explain how this could have happened or he can say nothing. He has to provide some clarity on the George Kaiser connection. If he chooses to keep mum on this mess he will have to face Congressional hearings for the next 18 months. There will be a story in the paper every week or so.

The Republicans will see to it.

This is a story that could turn an election.


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Postby slucero » Fri Sep 09, 2011 5:52 am

.. I'm wondering how long it will be before George Kaiser gets a convenient dirt nap... a la Ken Lay from Enron... or Vince Foster

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Postby slucero » Fri Sep 09, 2011 7:19 am

Fact Finder wrote:http://hotair.com/archives/2011/09/07/how-did-solyndra-get-a-sweetheart-interest-rate/

The $535 million loan to Solyndra Inc., issued by the U.S. Department of Treasury’s Federal Financing Bank, included a quarterly interest rate of 1.025 percent, the government bank reported in July. Of 18 Energy Department loans cited in the bank’s report, Solyndra’s rate was lowest. Eight other Energy Department projects, each also backed by the Federal Financing Bank, came with rates three or four times higher, the report shows.



So, is the FBI there at Holders request to block this story...."sorry, can't comment due to investigation ongoing"...and it will take until after next November to get the real truth?




Don't forget that the House Oversight Committee has the power of subpoena, and the ranking member of the House Oversight Committee is Rep. Darrell Issa (R-Cali.)

Methinks that the FBI securing Solyndra has something to do with Eric Holder getting a call from Issa... something to the effect of:

"Put that company under FBI seal"...

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Postby Seven Wishes2 » Fri Sep 09, 2011 8:44 am

slucero wrote:.. I'm wondering how long it will be before George Kaiser gets a convenient dirt nap... a la Ken Lay from Enron... or Vince Foster


I thought you were smarter than that. Please.
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Postby slucero » Fri Sep 09, 2011 10:23 am

Seven Wishes wrote:
slucero wrote:.. I'm wondering how long it will be before George Kaiser gets a convenient dirt nap... a la Ken Lay from Enron... or Vince Foster


I thought you were smarter than that. Please.



Oh that's right... what was I thinking... Kaiser is a billionaire... :lol:


just some silly sarcasm, although.. if Kaiser does suddenly wind up conveniently readin' his eyelids... I might reconsider...

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Postby Seven Wishes2 » Fri Sep 09, 2011 11:52 am

I hate to tell you this, but Kiaser Wilhelm is dead. He's been gone 97 years now. I'm sorry I was the one who had to break it to you.

This case sounds like guilt by association. Another black eye for one of the most incompetent Administrations in recent memory. The Bush team was more currupt, but a hell of a lot smarter. I don't know where Obama found half his staff...perhaps on Craigslist?
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Postby steveo777 » Fri Sep 09, 2011 11:57 am

WTF is all this job creation shit that BO is now working on? It would seem he's kind of a lame duck at this point in his presidency. This is Sept. of 2011 and I don't think
there's enough time left on his watch to do anything meaningful. Me thinks he's just gonna blow sunshine up people's arses, in the hopes of getting reelected, which just
isn't happening.
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Postby Seven Wishes2 » Fri Sep 09, 2011 12:17 pm

He won't be re-elected if a (perceived) moderate like Romney, Paul or Hunstman wins the GOP nomination. Bachmann and Perry? Too far to the right to win a general election. Believe me, as a Democrat, I've been in your position before. The problem is the extremes of both parties dictate what happens in the primaries, with little or no regard to whether or not their candidate of choice could win the Presidency.
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Postby slucero » Fri Sep 09, 2011 3:52 pm

Seven Wishes wrote:I hate to tell you this, but Kiaser Wilhelm is dead. He's been gone 97 years now. I'm sorry I was the one who had to break it to you.

This case sounds like guilt by association. Another black eye for one of the most incompetent Administrations in recent memory. The Bush team was more currupt, but a hell of a lot smarter. I don't know where Obama found half his staff...perhaps on Craigslist?


lol...


I listened to the speech tonight.. he really did his best to separate himself from Congress and box them all in.... not just the Republicans.. IMHO, at this point Obama has to be realizing he can no longer allow an impotent Congress overshadow whatever his legacy is, or will be.

I heard a more centrist Obama tonight.. which I'm sure makes both parties unhappy... and I believe this is the net effect the Tea Party has had on both parties, and its a positive one... it's forcing them both to the center.. whether they like it or not. And Obama just got there ahead of both parties... and just made himself a look like a populist.

It's a win/win for Obama...

If Congress achieves what he has outlined this makes him look like an effective leader and it will enhance his re-election hopes.
If Congress reverts back to the partisan pissing of late he can blame Congress as ineffective and shift the blame away from his administration.


In tennis terms... a nice hard cross court volley... one that is returnable.. but will require they work to actually reach it...

He put the ball squarely where it needs to be.. in Congress Court... after all - it is Congress that has made (and sometimes repealed) all the laws that have kept this country out of, and gotten this country into, this mess... its only right that they be forced to reconcile the ledger.

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Postby steveo777 » Fri Sep 09, 2011 4:44 pm

How does Obama still rate with the black caucus? I suspect he's done little to further their cause and would not be held in the same regard as when he first ran for office.
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Postby slucero » Fri Sep 09, 2011 5:03 pm

steveo777 wrote:How does Obama still rate with the black caucus? I suspect he's done little to further their cause and would not be held in the same regard as when he first ran for office.


Allegiance by degree....

The Black Caucus cannot afford to allow themselves to appear less populist than the 1st black President... its bad for their image and bad for business...

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Postby RedWingFan » Wed Sep 14, 2011 3:44 pm

Seven Wishes wrote:Obama's numbers have plummeted to 37%, but that's still 3 times better than the Republican Congress' rating of THIRTEEN PER CENT.

The House is the GOP's mess, and the disdain the public has for it is reflective of the fact that America does NOT want the nu-"conservative" approach (which would make your mythical spendthrift hero Reagan roll over in his grave) zealots like Ryan, Cantor, and Bachmann are putting forth.

Yet another good call 7 wishes.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/ ... print.html
Republican wins Democratic New York House seat
By Paul Kane, Wednesday, September 14, 12:22 AM

With his outcome of his own reelection effort 14 difficult months away, President Obama suffered a sharp rebuke at the polls Tuesday, when voters in New York elected a conservative Republican to represent a Democratic congressional district that has not been in Republican hands since the 1920s.

Bob Turner, the winner, cast the election as a referendum on Obama’s stewardship of the economy and, in the state’s 9th Congressional District, which has a large population of Orthodox Jewish voters, the president’s position on Israel.

Turner, 70, a retired cable television executive who has never served in elective office, defeated Democratic State Assemblyman David Weprin, 55, who has two decades of public service experience, to fill the seat left vacant when Anthony Weiner (D) resigned in disgrace in June after more than 12 years in the House.

The defeat came as Republicans trounced Democrats in another special House election Tuesday, in northern Nevada, where — with almost 10 percent of the districts reporting — Republican Mark Amodei led Democrat Kate Marshall, 56 percent to 39 percent.

In both contests, the GOP pulled ahead by linking the Democratic candidate to Obama and his handling of the economy. Both Republican contenders urged voters to “send a message” to the president.

In the two weeks leading up to Tuesday’s elections, Democrats conceded that they could not win in Nevada — essentially a Republican seat reverting to form after some competitive races by Democrats, including Obama in 2008.

New York was a different story. National Democrats poured more than $500,000 into a last-ditch effort to save the seat and deployed former president Bill Clinton and Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo (D) to try to mobilize voters.

With 75 percent of the precincts reporting, Turner had a commanding lead, with 53 percent of the vote, compared with 47 percent for Weprin.

Both races were sparked by sexual political scandals. Weiner resigned after it was revealed that he had sent lewd photos of himself to women via his Twitter account. The Nevada seat came open in May when Rep. Dean Heller (R) was appointed to fill the Senate term of John Ensign (R), who resigned amid allegations that he had inappropriately aided his mistress’s family.

The New York race, for a seat representing a large portion of Queens and a slice of Brooklyn, also turned on Obama’s handling of Israel and Palestine. The district’s large contingent of Orthodox Jews opposes his proposal for Palestinian statehood drawn around 1967 borders. The U.N. General Assembly is likely to vote on the Palestinian statehood issue when it convenes in New York next week.

Turner spent the final days of his campaign blasting Obama on the economy and on his perceived lack of support for Israel. Democrats worry that the perceived drag that the president had on Weprin could be repeated and amplified nationwide during the 2012 elections.

“Make no mistake about it, the albatross around Weprin’s neck is named Obama, and Democrats who value honesty will tell you privately that the president’s 37 percent approval rating in the district is making it difficult for Weprin to win a race that in almost any other time would be a slam dunk,” Stuart Rothenberg, an independent analyst and editor of the Rothenberg Political Report, wrote Tuesday.

Obama won New York’s 9th Congressional District in 2008 with 55 percent of the vote, less than the 67 percent Al Gore received there in 2000. But even in a down year for Democrats, Weiner coasted in 2010 to a near 20-percentage-point victory over Turner.

Democrats rejected talk that Tuesday’s election was a referendum on Obama and noted its highly unusual circumstances, including Weiner’s resignation and the fact that the contest was held two days after the 10th anniversary of the Sept. 11 attacks. The 9/11 remembrances essentially brought the race to a halt on Sunday. Also, in a special election with a small turnout, the district’s large number of Orthodox Jews — who have drifted from Democrats since George W. Bush’s first term — played an outsize role in tilting the race toward Turner.

“This is a special election that is purely reflective of who showed up to the polls and the makeup of the district,” Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz (Fla.), chairman of the Democratic National Committee, said in an interview after the defeat.

She said that Orthodox Jews, whose approval rating of Obama stands at just 13 percent, were far outnumbered in other districts with large numbers of Jewish voters and that this result will not be replicated elsewhere. “There isn’t any comparison between districts like mine and New York Nine,” she said.

Turner, who ran as a staunch conservative embracing the tea party, will be the first House Republican representing this portion of Queens since the 1920s — a striking departure from its Democratic traditions. This is the district that sent the late Geraldine Ferraro, the Democratic Party’s 1984 vice presidential nominee, to Congress, as well as Sen. Charles E. Schumer, one of the party most consistent liberal voices.

In Nevada, national Republicans poured more than $800,000 into a campaign that linked Marshall to Obama. Amodei, a former state senator, ran one ad that moved back and forth between words uttered by Obama and similar phrases from Marshall.

“Send Washington a message,” the ad’s narrator said, “not a rubber stamp.”
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Postby Behshad » Thu Sep 15, 2011 12:01 am

Fact Finder wrote:Bloomberg poll puts Obama re-elect number at 29%

Obama's Approval Rating Plummets in California

POLL: Obama Approval Plummets on Jobs Plan...

Incomes Now At 1996 Levels...

Top party officials 'disappointed, furious, disgusted, hopeless'...

Emails: Obama White House Monitored Huge Loan to 'Connected' Firm (Solyndra)

Solyndra execs likely to testify on Hill next week


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Postby Behshad » Thu Sep 15, 2011 1:12 am

Fact Finder wrote:
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Fact Finder wrote:Bloomberg poll puts Obama re-elect number at 29%

Obama's Approval Rating Plummets in California

POLL: Obama Approval Plummets on Jobs Plan...

Incomes Now At 1996 Levels...

Top party officials 'disappointed, furious, disgusted, hopeless'...

Emails: Obama White House Monitored Huge Loan to 'Connected' Firm (Solyndra)

Solyndra execs likely to testify on Hill next week


Lets make a bet , I say Obama gets re-elected. a Nice Cold beer @ MRF III ;) What do you say !? 8)



Deal on the beer part....MRF III is TBD...I'll send you a case of your choice if Odumbo wins again. :wink:



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Postby RedWingFan » Thu Sep 15, 2011 3:32 am

Fact Finder wrote:
Behshad wrote:
Fact Finder wrote:Bloomberg poll puts Obama re-elect number at 29%

Obama's Approval Rating Plummets in California

POLL: Obama Approval Plummets on Jobs Plan...

Incomes Now At 1996 Levels...

Top party officials 'disappointed, furious, disgusted, hopeless'...

Emails: Obama White House Monitored Huge Loan to 'Connected' Firm (Solyndra)

Solyndra execs likely to testify on Hill next week


Lets make a bet , I say Obama gets re-elected. a Nice Cold beer @ MRF III ;) What do you say !? 8)



Deal on the beer part....MRF III is TBD...I'll send you a case of your choice if Odumbo wins again. :wink:

You two already have a standing bet on Obama's re-election. You don't remember?
Seven Wishes wrote:"Abysmal? He's the most proactive President since Clinton, and he's bringing much-needed change for the better to a nation that has been tyrannized by the worst President since Hoover."- 7 Wishes on Pres. Obama
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Postby S2M » Thu Sep 15, 2011 3:39 am

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Postby RedWingFan » Thu Sep 15, 2011 10:06 am

Fact Finder wrote:
RedWingFan wrote:
Fact Finder wrote:
Behshad wrote:
Fact Finder wrote:Bloomberg poll puts Obama re-elect number at 29%

Obama's Approval Rating Plummets in California

POLL: Obama Approval Plummets on Jobs Plan...

Incomes Now At 1996 Levels...

Top party officials 'disappointed, furious, disgusted, hopeless'...

Emails: Obama White House Monitored Huge Loan to 'Connected' Firm (Solyndra)

Solyndra execs likely to testify on Hill next week


Lets make a bet , I say Obama gets re-elected. a Nice Cold beer @ MRF III ;) What do you say !? 8)



Deal on the beer part....MRF III is TBD...I'll send you a case of your choice if Odumbo wins again. :wink:

You two already have a standing bet on Obama's re-election. You don't remember?



We do?.... Well what else is Behshad gonna owe me besides a beer? :lol:

I'll tell you after he takes his political beating.
Seven Wishes wrote:"Abysmal? He's the most proactive President since Clinton, and he's bringing much-needed change for the better to a nation that has been tyrannized by the worst President since Hoover."- 7 Wishes on Pres. Obama
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Postby RedWingFan » Fri Sep 16, 2011 3:53 am

RedWingFan wrote:
Fact Finder wrote:
RedWingFan wrote:
Fact Finder wrote:
Behshad wrote:
Fact Finder wrote:Bloomberg poll puts Obama re-elect number at 29%

Obama's Approval Rating Plummets in California

POLL: Obama Approval Plummets on Jobs Plan...

Incomes Now At 1996 Levels...

Top party officials 'disappointed, furious, disgusted, hopeless'...

Emails: Obama White House Monitored Huge Loan to 'Connected' Firm (Solyndra)

Solyndra execs likely to testify on Hill next week


Lets make a bet , I say Obama gets re-elected. a Nice Cold beer @ MRF III ;) What do you say !? 8)



Deal on the beer part....MRF III is TBD...I'll send you a case of your choice if Odumbo wins again. :wink:

You two already have a standing bet on Obama's re-election. You don't remember?



We do?.... Well what else is Behshad gonna owe me besides a beer? :lol:

I'll tell you after he takes his political beating.


What the hell. Might as well do it now while I'm thinking about it.

Fact Finder wrote:
Behshad wrote:
Fact Finder wrote:
Rockindeano wrote:Gotta love the Far Right editorials.

The Won or the One is so cute.


Dude, we only use The Won because the arrogant bastard said it himself just 2 or 3 days into office. You guys sure have a hard time keeping up. The LA Times did the "Barack the Magic Negro" bit, Rush does a parody of it and you guys jump on Rush. The Won tells a Congressional meeting "I Won" and we use it and you think we're cute. Remember he also said something early in the campaign like, "I'm the One you've been waiting for." Play on words Deano. You're gonna hear it for 3 more years and after that he'll be gone and I wont need to use it anymore. :lol:


Wanna bet !? :twisted:

If he's gone 3 years from now, I will put it in my signature " I have learned a tough but good lesson that Im always wrong and Fact Finder is always right"...
and if he isnt gone you will put this in your signature "I may be called fact finder, but I usually try pass crap as fact and people usually dont notice it"

The sig remains for ONE FULL YEAR !:)

:lol:


Deal :D
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Postby Behshad » Fri Sep 16, 2011 7:11 am

Thanks Scottie ! ;) 8)
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Postby Behshad » Fri Sep 16, 2011 9:42 am

Fact Finder wrote:B, you are going to look marvelous wearing that sig line, but I will really miss seeing that titty pic. :wink:


As Madsplash would say "We'll see"
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