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Postby Zan » Sat Sep 10, 2011 1:10 am

yogi wrote:Sounds a little like Asperger's. We believe that our godson has this. He will be tested later this month. Besides his delayed speech has is very sensitive to cold,hot and loud noises.



One of my husband's nephew's is autistic, so that is a possibility. I won't jump to conclusions. I will wait until we meet with the professionals and keep an eye on things she does until then. However, there are certain things she does that are a little odd, and I've often wondered if it would be attributed to something like this. If it is autism, I'm pretty sure it's a mild case, as she is pretty interactive with people and socially adept. Fingers crossed.
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Postby Toph » Sat Sep 10, 2011 3:52 am

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Zan wrote:This board is great for sharing videos and stories and whatnot, but the soapbox stuff is just a waste of time. I think you know that. You and I both know that the band and their management don't give a flip about this kind of stuff, and the rest of us have read it a thousand times over already.


It's a waste of time to post photos or stories and whatnot. The 'soapbox stuff' ruins any fun that SHOULD be gained from it. I would never post that stuff here - it's a waste of time and just gives the retards something to react to.


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Postby Toph » Sat Sep 10, 2011 3:53 am

Zan wrote:
Boomchild wrote:This kind of topic has been discussed before in this forum so have other topics. Big deal. If you are not interested in reading others viewpoints because it has been discussed before I have one simple solution for you. Skip over those topics and the conversations\ replies to those posts. BTW, I am not looking to serve anyone. Just discussing the subjects here and giving my .02 like everyone else.



Yawn.

The title of the thread gave no indication what is was specifically about. If it had, I would not have read it. There is no pettier bullshit than the majority of stuff that gets "expressed" here. I thought that maybe Toph had finally had his fill of (at least some of) it.


Sorry Zan, in the future I'll make my post headline crystal clear so you can wrap your head around it. Didn't realize you were having such a hard time comprehending.
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Postby Toph » Sat Sep 10, 2011 4:00 am

Monker wrote:
Zan wrote:
Monker wrote:
Zan wrote:This board is great for sharing videos and stories and whatnot, but the soapbox stuff is just a waste of time. I think you know that. You and I both know that the band and their management don't give a flip about this kind of stuff, and the rest of us have read it a thousand times over already.


It's a waste of time to post photos or stories and whatnot. The 'soapbox stuff' ruins any fun that SHOULD be gained from it. I would never post that stuff here - it's a waste of time and just gives the retards something to react to.



True. Topics do usually take a "turn" for the worse here.

As for the "retards," that door swings both ways, based on what I've seen. I'm willing to bet that once upon a time, both camps felt good to see or hear about their loyalists going to bat for them in the forums. Now, I bet they're just embarrassed.

My 2 year old daughter is about to be given a developmental evaluation, by the way. She's late hitting some of her milestones, and she might be one of those retards. Just sharing.


I understand what you're saying. It is just so tiring to read every single thread, no matter what the topic, turn into the same crap.

Example: The photo thread that Marty posted. A thread that started out with some good pics and tips for camera/picture taking...Turns into a gay love fest with Ricky and Chuck. On the old Journey forums, Marty had entire section devoted to picture taking at concerts and was very willing to share tips and examples... to share and help anybody with ANY camera take the best pics they could at a concert. He's a very knowledgeable\ and sharing guy. That type of activity would NEVER happen here because of the ridiculous antics of a few people who insist on ruining the fun for everybody.

As for the 'retard' comment...I don't mean to personally offend you because of your daughter. My niece, who I am very close to, is diagnosed as being mildly retarded. She's 19, but seems to have the maturity of a 13yr old...and she repeats things, over and over again...asking the same questions that have already been answered, and saying things that have already been said - many times. That is the same thing that goes on in this forum, adults acting like children, and repeating the same things endlessly. That comparison does not come lightly to me either...it's just the way it seems to me, and, IMO, is quite valid.


I love how monkey brains gets his panties so tied up in a wad that he resorts to turning a legitimate complaint against the current band members immature actions into offnding many people by using a highly inappropriate word. ABut of course wouldn't ever dare to criticize huis butt boys in the band...


Do you all notice when Zan, Monkeyboy, Great, etc don't have a legitimate way to defend the actions of the band calling themselves Styx, that they a) either go on the attack or b) talk about how we should "just stop talking about it"? Of course, talking about a) kilroy, b) babe, or c) broadway never goes out of style for these hypocrites....
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Postby Toph » Sat Sep 10, 2011 4:01 am

Zan wrote:
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Cassie May wrote:Zan, my best wishes for your daughter. I have spent the last 25 years working with the developmentally disabled, so I am well aware of the challenges, the frustrations, and yes, even the joys. I also loathe the term "retard," as does the community as a whole.

As for posting articles and the like, I enjoy doing so in hopes to be able to discuss the group. I don't have many people personally that I can discuss Styx with, and I was hoping to be able to do so here. Unfortunately, everything keeps getting dragged down the same tired old path. It's really disheartening.


You have Tommy, JY and Chuck to thank for that.



Oh spare me.


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Postby Toph » Sat Sep 10, 2011 4:02 am

Monker wrote:
Boomchild wrote:
Zan wrote:
What is interesting is people that do not agree with someones viewpoint here just can't seem to do the simplest thing and ignore the post\reply. That is the easiest solution if it bothers someone that much.



Do you realize how many people have LEFT or barely participate in this forum in the last few years?. They have ignored the posts/replies. Not very many people left now.

Carry on.


I don't really care. That's their choice. If it was a real problem I would think Andrew would do something. Like kicking out the people you and some others seem to be concerned about. Don't like what I have to say that is fine. But don't preach to me on how I should or should not respond to the topics discussed here. What is a laugh is that some here think that it is only the people that are not keen about the current Styx that stir the pot. Which is not true.

Preach On


That is not Andrew's style. He does not have the desire, or the time, to micro-manage a forum like that. He relies on people to have the maturity to do that THEMSELVES. The forum is what people make it - not what he forces it to be.


He didn't have any problem kicking your ass off...
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Postby Toph » Sat Sep 10, 2011 4:03 am

Zan wrote:
Boomchild wrote:
Zan wrote:
What is interesting is people that do not agree with someones viewpoint here just can't seem to do the simplest thing and ignore the post\reply. That is the easiest solution if it bothers someone that much.



Do you realize how many people have LEFT or barely participate in this forum in the last few years?. They have ignored the posts/replies. Not very many people left now.

Carry on.


I don't really care. That's their choice. If it was a real problem I would think Andrew would do something. Like kicking out the people you and some others seem to be concerned about. Don't like what I have to say that is fine. But don't preach to me on how I should or should not respond to the topics discussed here. What is a laugh is that some here think that it is only the people that are not keen about the current Styx that stir the pot. Which is not true.

Preach On



I said like 4 posts ago:

"As for the "retards," (there are other explanations, actually) that door swings both ways, based on what I've seen."

Exactly who do you think you're replying to?

As for Andrew, he doesn't have time to kick out losers all day long. he has a life. This is common knowledge to anyone who cares to pay attention. And this is your rationale for beating a dead horse? Because other people do it, and nobody has reprimanded or physically stopped you from doing so yet? Seriously? lol

Of course you don't care that people have left. You're too self-absorbed to care. We're not talking about some isolated incident. We're talking about years of seeing threads deteriorate with the same old garbage by the same few people. You can only dismiss it for so long until you finally give up. I don't expect you to understand. Anyone who understood has already abandoned ship.


Doors on your left Zan, you can leave anytime...
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Postby Toph » Sat Sep 10, 2011 4:06 am

Zan wrote:
yogi wrote:Sounds a little like Asperger's. We believe that our godson has this. He will be tested later this month. Besides his delayed speech has is very sensitive to cold,hot and loud noises.



One of my husband's nephew's is autistic, so that is a possibility. I won't jump to conclusions. I will wait until we meet with the professionals and keep an eye on things she does until then. However, there are certain things she does that are a little odd, and I've often wondered if it would be attributed to something like this. If it is autism, I'm pretty sure it's a mild case, as she is pretty interactive with people and socially adept. Fingers crossed.


Even though I disagree with approximately 99.9999% of what you write, my thoughts are with you and hope for the best.
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Postby gr8dane » Sat Sep 10, 2011 4:49 am

Toph wrote:
Monker wrote:
Zan wrote:
Monker wrote:
Zan wrote:This board is great for sharing videos and stories and whatnot, but the soapbox stuff is just a waste of time. I think you know that. You and I both know that the band and their management don't give a flip about this kind of stuff, and the rest of us have read it a thousand times over already.


It's a waste of time to post photos or stories and whatnot. The 'soapbox stuff' ruins any fun that SHOULD be gained from it. I would never post that stuff here - it's a waste of time and just gives the retards something to react to.



True. Topics do usually take a "turn" for the worse here.

As for the "retards," that door swings both ways, based on what I've seen. I'm willing to bet that once upon a time, both camps felt good to see or hear about their loyalists going to bat for them in the forums. Now, I bet they're just embarrassed.

My 2 year old daughter is about to be given a developmental evaluation, by the way. She's late hitting some of her milestones, and she might be one of those retards. Just sharing.


I understand what you're saying. It is just so tiring to read every single thread, no matter what the topic, turn into the same crap.

Example: The photo thread that Marty posted. A thread that started out with some good pics and tips for camera/picture taking...Turns into a gay love fest with Ricky and Chuck. On the old Journey forums, Marty had entire section devoted to picture taking at concerts and was very willing to share tips and examples... to share and help anybody with ANY camera take the best pics they could at a concert. He's a very knowledgeable\ and sharing guy. That type of activity would NEVER happen here because of the ridiculous antics of a few people who insist on ruining the fun for everybody.

As for the 'retard' comment...I don't mean to personally offend you because of your daughter. My niece, who I am very close to, is diagnosed as being mildly retarded. She's 19, but seems to have the maturity of a 13yr old...and she repeats things, over and over again...asking the same questions that have already been answered, and saying things that have already been said - many times. That is the same thing that goes on in this forum, adults acting like children, and repeating the same things endlessly. That comparison does not come lightly to me either...it's just the way it seems to me, and, IMO, is quite valid.


I love how monkey brains gets his panties so tied up in a wad that he resorts to turning a legitimate complaint against the current band members immature actions into offnding many people by using a highly inappropriate word. ABut of course wouldn't ever dare to criticize huis butt boys in the band...


Do you all notice when Zan, Monkeyboy, Great, etc don't have a legitimate way to defend the actions of the band calling themselves Styx, that they a) either go on the attack or b) talk about how we should "just stop talking about it"? Of course, talking about a) kilroy, b) babe, or c) broadway never goes out of style for these hypocrites....


Yes,I did not notice that.
But I did notice today on my bike ride,that there is a Gowan Ave.Can any other Styx members past or present brag about that?
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Postby cittadeeno23 » Sat Sep 10, 2011 4:56 am

So they named a street after a Chipmunk??? :)

Nothing suprises me anymore! :)
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Postby Monker » Sat Sep 10, 2011 8:40 am

froy wrote:
Zan wrote:
What is interesting is people that do not agree with someones viewpoint here just can't seem to do the simplest thing and ignore the post\reply. That is the easiest solution if it bothers someone that much.



Do you realize how many people have LEFT or barely participate in this forum in the last few years?. They have ignored the posts/replies. Not very many people left now.

Carry on.


Do you know how many STYX fans have left he building? hundreds of thousands ,


And, then there are those who SHOULD leave but refuse to.
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Postby Monker » Sat Sep 10, 2011 8:44 am

Toph wrote:
Zan wrote:
Boomchild wrote:This kind of topic has been discussed before in this forum so have other topics. Big deal. If you are not interested in reading others viewpoints because it has been discussed before I have one simple solution for you. Skip over those topics and the conversations\ replies to those posts. BTW, I am not looking to serve anyone. Just discussing the subjects here and giving my .02 like everyone else.



Yawn.

The title of the thread gave no indication what is was specifically about. If it had, I would not have read it. There is no pettier bullshit than the majority of stuff that gets "expressed" here. I thought that maybe Toph had finally had his fill of (at least some of) it.


Sorry Zan, in the future I'll make my post headline crystal clear so you can wrap your head around it. Didn't realize you were having such a hard time comprehending.


Oh, please, you did it to get attention. You're a troll looking for replied.

You do the same in the Journey forum. First you go on about promoting songs...then suddenly you write how much Eclipse. You are an attention ho, a drama queen, a trill looking for attention. Titling the thread, "My continuing rant on why Styx suciks" just wouldn't be your style.
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Postby Boomchild » Sat Sep 10, 2011 8:45 am

Zan wrote:
Boomchild wrote:
Zan wrote:
What is interesting is people that do not agree with someones viewpoint here just can't seem to do the simplest thing and ignore the post\reply. That is the easiest solution if it bothers someone that much.



Do you realize how many people have LEFT or barely participate in this forum in the last few years?. They have ignored the posts/replies. Not very many people left now.

Carry on.


I don't really care. That's their choice. If it was a real problem I would think Andrew would do something. Like kicking out the people you and some others seem to be concerned about. Don't like what I have to say that is fine. But don't preach to me on how I should or should not respond to the topics discussed here. What is a laugh is that some here think that it is only the people that are not keen about the current Styx that stir the pot. Which is not true.

Preach On



I said like 4 posts ago:

"As for the "retards," (there are other explanations, actually) that door swings both ways, based on what I've seen."

Exactly who do you think you're replying to?

As for Andrew, he doesn't have time to kick out losers all day long. he has a life. This is common knowledge to anyone who cares to pay attention. And this is your rationale for beating a dead horse? Because other people do it, and nobody has reprimanded or physically stopped you from doing so yet? Seriously? lol

Of course you don't care that people have left. You're too self-absorbed to care. We're not talking about some isolated incident. We're talking about years of seeing threads deteriorate with the same old garbage by the same few people. You can only dismiss it for so long until you finally give up. I don't expect you to understand. Anyone who understood has already abandoned ship.


Your are right I missed that part in your previous post. Like I have said before if you don't agree, don't like or whatever about a someones posts or replies all you have to do is IGNORE IT AND DON"T REPLY. Just move on to the post or replies you feel are worthwhile. It's that simple. As far as being "self absorbed" your wrong. I can't control whether people agree or disagree with my views, that's why I don't care.

Preach on.
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Postby Monker » Sat Sep 10, 2011 8:50 am

Toph wrote:I love how monkey brains gets his panties so tied up in a wad that he resorts to turning a legitimate complaint against the current band members immature actions into offnding many people by using a highly inappropriate word. ABut of course wouldn't ever dare to criticize huis butt boys in the band...


I don't have a problem at all with calling you people out as retarded. That honestly is what I think is going on here - some kinda mental condition where you can't help but repeat the same things over and over again. Something is fucked up in some of your heads. I have no other explanation for it.

Do you all notice when Zan, Monkeyboy, Great, etc don't have a legitimate way to defend the actions of the band calling themselves Styx, that they a) either go on the attack or b) talk about how we should "just stop talking about it"? Of course, talking about a) kilroy, b) babe, or c) broadway never goes out of style for these hypocrites....


You realize that the only people who really care so much are the few of you who constantly go on the rants. I can argue against these posts - I have before. But, there's no point in replying to the same old crap with the same old crap. Some people are not retarded and have the mental capacity to move on...and wish others would too.
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Postby Boomchild » Sat Sep 10, 2011 8:53 am

Toph wrote:
Monker wrote:
Zan wrote:This board is great for sharing videos and stories and whatnot, but the soapbox stuff is just a waste of time. I think you know that. You and I both know that the band and their management don't give a flip about this kind of stuff, and the rest of us have read it a thousand times over already.


It's a waste of time to post photos or stories and whatnot. The 'soapbox stuff' ruins any fun that SHOULD be gained from it. I would never post that stuff here - it's a waste of time and just gives the retards something to react to.


Look in the mirror.


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Postby mrbluesman » Sat Sep 10, 2011 8:56 am

Changing the pictures of the band members on what is a supposedly vintage 1981 Concert shirt


I do actually see some of your points but, after all, it's just a tour shirt. I mean, they're not trying to pass off a fake Mona Lisa as the real work of art. It's a crummy tour shirt and I would hope that most (if not all) of the people that go to the show or buy the shirt realize that DDY is gone and the people on the shirt weren't all involved in the creation of the album.

You know some of the people that loved Styx and have posted in this Forum take neither side in this whole DDY vs TS JJY fight. Personally, every time I see or listen or read an interview with DDY, I cringe at something he says. He can be obnoxious and his comments grating. I happened to be listening to the Grand Illusion in the car today and when I got to "Come Sail Away," all I could hear, during the song, were Dennis's ad libs that he made during the live version released on "Caught in the Act" ("from the heart," "we had dreams") and it positively ruins the song for me. On the other hand, I think TS and JJY are basically making a money grab by calling the band they play in "Styx." To short change or completely write out DDY and his contributions to the band (let's face it, there would be no "Styx" without him and, even if there was, it wouldn't be the group we have all come to love) is laughable. I think this even as I watch a video on Youtube where the band comes out for their encore on the "Paradise Theater" tour and Dennis says something like "Now I know why lions eat their young (in looking at the audience)." I want to jump through the screen, time travel back 30 years, and tell him to just shut the hell up, he's not charming or funny.

I couldn't imagine a single legal reason that Dennis would be left out of the group's bio or history on their website. It all seems fairly childish to me.

Whatever camp you happen to be in, the truth is that the band without Dennis is as much of a joke as the band was without Tommy ("Show Me The Way"-awful). Why people like me don't write a lot on this board is that neither the DDY fans or the TS fans ever want to admit these simple truths. Upthread, someone wrote that these types of discussions always end with personal attacks, and they do.

At the end of the day, Styx is now a rock band that has been around for 30 years too long. They should have all been smart enough to put their personal and business differences aside, toured every couple years, made an album, with new music, every few years and kept the reputation of their band, intact. No one can dispute what a musical force this band was from 1976 though 1982 (sorry "Kilroy" was the end of the band, in my mind, and for that fiasco, I blame Dennis's insistence that anything he wrote would be a masterpiece and Tommy's complete lack of caring or involvement in the band, by that point).

But, back to my original point, it's just a shirt for chrissakes.

Zan, even though I don't agree with a lot of what you write, I do hope all is well with your child. I hope you get some answers at the appointment this month and I hope it is nothing serious. I have children and I know how much we worry and are consumed by and with them. You and your child will be in my thoughts and prayers and I hope that everything is OK.

Peace all.
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Postby Boomchild » Sat Sep 10, 2011 8:57 am

Toph wrote:
Monker wrote:
Boomchild wrote:
Zan wrote:
What is interesting is people that do not agree with someones viewpoint here just can't seem to do the simplest thing and ignore the post\reply. That is the easiest solution if it bothers someone that much.



Do you realize how many people have LEFT or barely participate in this forum in the last few years?. They have ignored the posts/replies. Not very many people left now.

Carry on.


I don't really care. That's their choice. If it was a real problem I would think Andrew would do something. Like kicking out the people you and some others seem to be concerned about. Don't like what I have to say that is fine. But don't preach to me on how I should or should not respond to the topics discussed here. What is a laugh is that some here think that it is only the people that are not keen about the current Styx that stir the pot. Which is not true.

Preach On


That is not Andrew's style. He does not have the desire, or the time, to micro-manage a forum like that. He relies on people to have the maturity to do that THEMSELVES. The forum is what people make it - not what he forces it to be.


He didn't have any problem kicking your ass off...


So much for Andrew not having the time monitor the posts here. In fact, since I have been on this forum I have seen a few posts from him warning people on their conduct.
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Postby Boomchild » Sat Sep 10, 2011 9:14 am

mrbluesman wrote:
Changing the pictures of the band members on what is a supposedly vintage 1981 Concert shirt


I do actually see some of your points but, after all, it's just a tour shirt. I mean, they're not trying to pass off a fake Mona Lisa as the real work of art. It's a crummy tour shirt and I would hope that most (if not all) of the people that go to the show or buy the shirt realize that DDY is gone and the people on the shirt weren't all involved in the creation of the album.

You know some of the people that loved Styx and have posted in this Forum take neither side in this whole DDY vs TS JJY fight. Personally, every time I see or listen or read an interview with DDY, I cringe at something he says. He can be obnoxious and his comments grating. I happened to be listening to the Grand Illusion in the car today and when I got to "Come Sail Away," all I could hear, during the song, were Dennis's ad libs that he made during the live version released on "Caught in the Act" ("from the heart," "we had dreams") and it positively ruins the song for me. On the other hand, I think TS and JJY are basically making a money grab by calling the band they play in "Styx." To short change or completely write out DDY and his contributions to the band (let's face it, there would be no "Styx" without him and, even if there was, it wouldn't be the group we have all come to love) is laughable. I think this even as I watch a video on Youtube where the band comes out for their encore on the "Paradise Theater" tour and Dennis says something like "Now I know why lions eat their young (in looking at the audience)." I want to jump through the screen, time travel back 30 years, and tell him to just shut the hell up, he's not charming or funny.

I couldn't imagine a single legal reason that Dennis would be left out of the group's bio or history on their website. It all seems fairly childish to me.

Whatever camp you happen to be in, the truth is that the band without Dennis is as much of a joke as the band was without Tommy ("Show Me The Way"-awful). Why people like me don't write a lot on this board is that neither the DDY fans or the TS fans ever want to admit these simple truths. Upthread, someone wrote that these types of discussions always end with personal attacks, and they do.

At the end of the day, Styx is now a rock band that has been around for 30 years too long. They should have all been smart enough to put their personal and business differences aside, toured every couple years, made an album, with new music, every few years and kept the reputation of their band, intact. No one can dispute what a musical force this band was from 1976 though 1982 (sorry "Kilroy" was the end of the band, in my mind, and for that fiasco, I blame Dennis's insistence that anything he wrote would be a masterpiece and Tommy's complete lack of caring or involvement in the band, by that point).

But, back to my original point, it's just a shirt for chrissakes.

Zan, even though I don't agree with a lot of what you write, I do hope all is well with your child. I hope you get some answers at the appointment this month and I hope it is nothing serious. I have children and I know how much we worry and are consumed by and with them. You and your child will be in my thoughts and prayers and I hope that everything is OK.

Peace all.


Speaking as a Dennis fan and a fan of the version of Styx with DDY, TS, JY, CP, JP and JC I can say that I do admit that Dennis like everyone has his faults and is not a saint. Sure he has an ego, to get where he has been you have to. TS and JY have egos that's part of the problem. He is silly at times and I can say that I don't think that all the music he has written are "gems". It is too bad that they ALL can't put their issues aside or resolve them and make peace.
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Postby Babyblue » Sat Sep 10, 2011 9:39 am

froy wrote:
[Zan"


My 2 year old is about to be given a developmental evaluation, by the way. She's late hitting some of her milestones, and she might be one of those retards. Just sharing.


It seems like yesterday that you had that child wow time flies, Its not retard these days it's Special Needs I should know my awesome son Mike is special needs,
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Awwwwwww i bet he is very handsome fred :wink: The special need kids are so sweet & special they can put a smile on your face. :D :D
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Postby Babyblue » Sat Sep 10, 2011 9:42 am

gr8dane wrote:
Toph wrote:
Monker wrote:
Zan wrote:
Monker wrote:
Zan wrote:This board is great for sharing videos and stories and whatnot, but the soapbox stuff is just a waste of time. I think you know that. You and I both know that the band and their management don't give a flip about this kind of stuff, and the rest of us have read it a thousand times over already.


It's a waste of time to post photos or stories and whatnot. The 'soapbox stuff' ruins any fun that SHOULD be gained from it. I would never post that stuff here - it's a waste of time and just gives the retards something to react to.



True. Topics do usually take a "turn" for the worse here.

As for the "retards," that door swings both ways, based on what I've seen. I'm willing to bet that once upon a time, both camps felt good to see or hear about their loyalists going to bat for them in the forums. Now, I bet they're just embarrassed.

My 2 year old daughter is about to be given a developmental evaluation, by the way. She's late hitting some of her milestones, and she might be one of those retards. Just sharing.


I understand what you're saying. It is just so tiring to read every single thread, no matter what the topic, turn into the same crap.

Example: The photo thread that Marty posted. A thread that started out with some good pics and tips for camera/picture taking...Turns into a gay love fest with Ricky and Chuck. On the old Journey forums, Marty had entire section devoted to picture taking at concerts and was very willing to share tips and examples... to share and help anybody with ANY camera take the best pics they could at a concert. He's a very knowledgeable\ and sharing guy. That type of activity would NEVER happen here because of the ridiculous antics of a few people who insist on ruining the fun for everybody.

As for the 'retard' comment...I don't mean to personally offend you because of your daughter. My niece, who I am very close to, is diagnosed as being mildly retarded. She's 19, but seems to have the maturity of a 13yr old...and she repeats things, over and over again...asking the same questions that have already been answered, and saying things that have already been said - many times. That is the same thing that goes on in this forum, adults acting like children, and repeating the same things endlessly. That comparison does not come lightly to me either...it's just the way it seems to me, and, IMO, is quite valid.


I love how monkey brains gets his panties so tied up in a wad that he resorts to turning a legitimate complaint against the current band members immature actions into offnding many people by using a highly inappropriate word. ABut of course wouldn't ever dare to criticize huis butt boys in the band...


Do you all notice when Zan, Monkeyboy, Great, etc don't have a legitimate way to defend the actions of the band calling themselves Styx, that they a) either go on the attack or b) talk about how we should "just stop talking about it"? Of course, talking about a) kilroy, b) babe, or c) broadway never goes out of style for these hypocrites....


Yes,I did not notice that.
But I did notice today on my bike ride,that there is a Gowan Ave.Can any other Styx members past or present brag about that?
Way to go Larry.



Way to go Mr G :wink:
Styx & Gowan fan forever
Keep On Rocking Guys:)

I will never stop believeing in you SP.:)
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Postby mrbluesman » Sat Sep 10, 2011 12:37 pm

It is too bad that they ALL can't put their issues aside or resolve them and make peace.


I couldn't agree more. You know, those videos floating around Youtube of TS @ Borders, where DDY shows up and they play stuff like "Suite Madame Blue," it shows how incredible these 2 can be together. A simple acoustic number in a bookstore really just floors me. There is a creative spark that I think shows just how good this band was and could be. Look at the one real reunion tour, just fantastic stuff. You would think that for money reasons alone, these guys would all be able to bury the hatchet. I have to believe they could be booked in bigger venues and make more money with a real reunion (I realize it will never be a complete reunion given John's absence). Not to mention, at some point, you judge your life not just on the money you made, but, on the legacy you left behind. All this squabbling, this pale version of "Styx" that exists now-it just diminishes the band's legacy.

Once upon a time, in 1981, I saw the "Paradise Theater" show in Cleveland, Ohio. It was one of the most perfect shows that I have ever been to. Fantastic music, showmanship, songs and crowd. To think that that band would end up where they are now is disheartening to say the least.

DDY does get on my nerves, but, as I have said, he, more than any of the others, is responsible for Styx and its music. Personally, I like Tommy's stuff better than DDYs (for the most part) but, to me, it's like comparing John and Paul's stuff (not saying Styx was anywhere near the Beatles). It's a matter of taste, but, both are equally great. I found the way that Tommy and JY talked about DDY at the end of the BTM on VH1 was sad. You can love JY, but, really, where the hell would he be without Dennis? JY said something like "Dennis was great for the the band for a long time" or words to that effect and, to me, it's hilarious because that "part" of the band's history is what the people are still shelling out money to listen to and see in concert.

So, I don't absolve TS or JY in this mess. To me, they are all equally at fault. It's a shame, really, but I suppose at this point, as noted upthread, these guys are never getting back together and "Styx" is this version of the band with pseudo Dennis.

Incidentally, as I've said before, my second favorite band (behind the Beatles) is the Allmans. Now, the Duane-less and Berry-less version of the band is really the only version of the band I remember. Further, the band reached it's creative and popular zenith being fronted by Gregg and Dickey Betts. The Allmans had a lot of infighting and nearly destroyed their legacy, as well. Somehow, in the 90s, they all got back together and made some of the best music of their careers. Sadly, they too, went the way of Styx (by dumping Dickey Betts). As much as I love the Allmans, I refuse to see them in their current Dickey-less form. It's a joke to call the band the Allman Brothers. Call themselves "Gregg Allman and Friends," or something like that, and I'll go see them. I wouldn't see them for free as they now exist. Funny thing is that I've seen video of the recent incarnation of the band and they still are fantastic live (even without Dickey) but they simply are not the Allman Brothers Band. I have seen Gregg's solo shows and Dickey's solo shows since the split and both put on fantastic concerts. Separate, neither of them, however, is the Allman Brothers.
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Postby Baron Von Bielski » Sat Sep 10, 2011 1:02 pm

For the record, I find nothing at all wrong with the title of this thread. I may have not known what it would pertain to, but I certainly didn't jump to conclusions. Guess what? That's the beauty of clicking on it... I found out. What really sucks is knowing immediately after reading Toph's initial post that certain individuals would freak out and start on the rampage. There was nothing at all wrong with what he said and he's entitled to his opinion. And he's right... deal with it.
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Postby mrbluesman » Sat Sep 10, 2011 1:10 pm

To further make my point, when Ringo joins Paul on stage to do "With A Little Help From My Friends," it's not the Beatles or a Beatles reunion. As good as it may be, it's still just Paul and Ringo doing a Beatles song.
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Postby StyxCollector » Sat Sep 10, 2011 1:29 pm

Is it 2015 yet with those fancy Back to the Future sneakers with real self-closing lacing (not the limited edition ones on eBay they're hawking)? Wake me up then. I bet this discussion will still be going on.
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Postby Monker » Sat Sep 10, 2011 2:00 pm

Toph wrote:[
He didn't have any problem kicking your ass off...


You are such an idiot.

He has a problem kicking ANYBODTY off.
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Postby Monker » Sat Sep 10, 2011 2:03 pm

Boomchild wrote:
Toph wrote:
Monker wrote:
Boomchild wrote:
Zan wrote:
What is interesting is people that do not agree with someones viewpoint here just can't seem to do the simplest thing and ignore the post\reply. That is the easiest solution if it bothers someone that much.



Do you realize how many people have LEFT or barely participate in this forum in the last few years?. They have ignored the posts/replies. Not very many people left now.

Carry on.


I don't really care. That's their choice. If it was a real problem I would think Andrew would do something. Like kicking out the people you and some others seem to be concerned about. Don't like what I have to say that is fine. But don't preach to me on how I should or should not respond to the topics discussed here. What is a laugh is that some here think that it is only the people that are not keen about the current Styx that stir the pot. Which is not true.

Preach On


That is not Andrew's style. He does not have the desire, or the time, to micro-manage a forum like that. He relies on people to have the maturity to do that THEMSELVES. The forum is what people make it - not what he forces it to be.


He didn't have any problem kicking your ass off...


So much for Andrew not having the time monitor the posts here. In fact, since I have been on this forum I have seen a few posts from him warning people on their conduct.


LOL.

That's about all I can say about that.
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Postby Monker » Sat Sep 10, 2011 2:18 pm

Boomchild wrote:
Toph wrote:
Monker wrote:
Zan wrote:This board is great for sharing videos and stories and whatnot, but the soapbox stuff is just a waste of time. I think you know that. You and I both know that the band and their management don't give a flip about this kind of stuff, and the rest of us have read it a thousand times over already.


It's a waste of time to post photos or stories and whatnot. The 'soapbox stuff' ruins any fun that SHOULD be gained from it. I would never post that stuff here - it's a waste of time and just gives the retards something to react to.


Look in the mirror.


You got that right.


Oh, yes, you and toph have started oh so many countless thoughtful and innocent threads with no other intention but happily discussing the music of Styx and Dennis. And, me, Zan and the other hypocrites have nothing else to do but post about how gay the bassist is and that Dennis needs to adjust his fucking toupee.

Please. You guys don't know how to discuss this band without throwing about insults and degrading them. It is far, far, beyond your ability. Your heads would explode like that guy on Scanners.
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Postby Monker » Sat Sep 10, 2011 2:29 pm

mrbluesman wrote:I couldn't imagine a single legal reason that Dennis would be left out of the group's bio or history on their website. It all seems fairly childish to me.


I think Dennis would have been absolutely foolish when the lawsuit was 'settled' to allow the band to continue using his name or image in any promotion of the band whatsoever. That would include the official website.

Personally, I think Dennis' camp complained about 'something' after the settlement, and the Styx camp just decided to remove him completely to avoid any possibility of another court action...and I doubt it was a 'band' decision at all, but a legal one.

It is a well known fact that Steve Perry did the same to Journey. Even fan pics were censored and had to be approved before posting, at least partially because of this. So, don't tell me this is unimaginable - cuz zi know it has happened with other bands who did not end up in court during the split. Funny, the fans accused Journey of the EXACT SAME THING years ago. So, whatever.

It's petty, uninformed, speculation when people go down this road...and it is fairly unimportant in the grand scheme of things anyway.
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Postby Monker » Sat Sep 10, 2011 4:02 pm

Monker wrote:
Toph wrote:
Zan wrote:
Boomchild wrote:This kind of topic has been discussed before in this forum so have other topics. Big deal. If you are not interested in reading others viewpoints because it has been discussed before I have one simple solution for you. Skip over those topics and the conversations\ replies to those posts. BTW, I am not looking to serve anyone. Just discussing the subjects here and giving my .02 like everyone else.



Yawn.

The title of the thread gave no indication what is was specifically about. If it had, I would not have read it. There is no pettier bullshit than the majority of stuff that gets "expressed" here. I thought that maybe Toph had finally had his fill of (at least some of) it.


Sorry Zan, in the future I'll make my post headline crystal clear so you can wrap your head around it. Didn't realize you were having such a hard time comprehending.


Oh, please, you did it to get attention. You're a troll looking for replied.

You do the same in the Journey forum. First you go on about promoting songs...then suddenly you write how much Eclipse sucks. You are an attention ho, a drama queen, a trill looking for attention. Titling the thread, "My continuing rant on why Styx sucks" just wouldn't be your style.
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Postby mrbluesman » Sat Sep 10, 2011 4:06 pm

It's petty, uninformed, speculation when people go down this road...and it is fairly unimportant in the grand scheme of things anyway.


What is the grand scheme of things, anyway? Bands like Journey and Styx who continue on without their most recognizable and, arguably, most important member but still portray themselves as the real deal so that they can wring whatever nickels they can out of the public and their fans. These bands (like Styx) on the one hand want to distance themselves from their former lead singers and on the other hand want to perpetuate the illusion to the public that they're the same band they were 30 years ago when the lead singer (and in many instances, main writer) was still there. It's all such a crock. Listen, if Styx (Tommy and JY) thought they could triple their income, on a regular basis and still keep control over the band, by letting Dennis back in the band, they'd do it quicker than you could say "the party's over." But, as the years have passed and the crowds have gotten smaller, so too have their pieces of the pie. Dennis never gets back in because that would mean TS and JY would have to carve up what little money is left from this already dead horse.

I think Dennis would have been absolutely foolish when the lawsuit was 'settled' to allow the band to continue using his name or image in any promotion of the band whatsoever.


Why is that? Dennis, I'm sure still makes a sizable bit of money from the sale of old Styx albums and his song publishing. Some amount of money from every Styx CD that includes any of his stuff goes into his pocket. He lets them sing his stuff but not use him in the band's bio? Makes no sense to me. Maybe, though, DDY is that bitchy. Who knows? I think a lot of the bad blood in this band has to do with Dennis reclaiming of all his publishing from the other guys before the "Edge of the Century" debacle.

As to Journey, I'd say the same damn thing. See, the thing about all these bands is that it comes down to the money. Period. At this point, they're earning a paycheck. In their private moments do you think TS or JY really think that anything they're doing now compares to the glory years? They'd be delusional to think so. Hey, I have no problem with bands earning a paycheck. Have fun, play the old tunes for a happy crowd. But, ya know, do they have to be so uptight about things. Truth be told, if you asked 100 people under the age of 35 who "Styx" is or was, 80 percent wouldn't know who you were talking about. Sorry, man, same thing for Journey. That band's biggest push in the last few years was being the song the Sopranos ended with.

It's not petty to talk about this stuff. I think it's interesting. Really, how many times can you talk about how great a song "Crystal Ball" is? Even if it is petty, it's no more petty than the band members are about the whole thing.

It is a well known fact that Steve Perry did the same to Journey. Even fan pics were censored and had to be approved before posting, at least partially because of this. So, don't tell me this is unimaginable - cuz zi know it has happened with other bands who did not end up in court during the split. Funny, the fans accused Journey of the EXACT SAME THING years ago. So, whatever.


Then Steve Perry is probably as big an ass as I could imagine. Really, is that what these guys have left to fight over, a picture of Steve Perry in some disgusting 80s costume appearing on the Journey website? I guess I could see, in some instances, where putting a picture of the guy on the site (when he's no longer a member) could cause a problem because it would give the impression that he's still with the band. Sticking his name and ALL of his contributions to the band in the bio, then saying he left the band in 19 whatever, well, sorry, I don't get it and don't see how it could be a problem.

Many years ago, I worked at a record store in Youngstown, Ohio. Every month or so, a former guitarist of the Michael Stanley Band used to come into the store and count the number of MSB records in the racks. He would ask for our sales numbers of the older MSB records. Now, this was years after the guy left (or was tossed out of) the band. It was also a couple years after MSB had all but ceased to exist and/or be popular. We sold maybe 3 albums a month. At the time, a lot of MSB's stuff was falling out of print. The stuff that we sold that would involve money for this guitarist were like the bargain/cheapo "Best Of" cassettes that sold for $3.99 or 4.99. At the time, I thought what could this guy be doing. What could he be making from these old albums. He had no (or few) songwriting credits. So, I asked him why he wanted to know the sales figures. He told me an answer and, without getting into his answer, it just showed me how petty the guy was.

Maybe, the pettiness is all these aging rockers have left. Their most creative days, popularity and records sales are long behind them. Maybe, all they have to hang on to is the petty bullshit.

Is it 2015 yet with those fancy Back to the Future sneakers with real self-closing lacing (not the limited edition ones on eBay they're hawking)? Wake me up then. I bet this discussion will still be going on.


You're probably right and I'm sure Styx still won't have DDY back then and they'll still be playing a small venue near (name the town) and playing the Grand Illusion, Fooling Yourself and [name the other 70s hit].

I insist that life is about more than money. These guys won the lottery, basically. They became one of that small percentage of acts that had massive success. They could have protected their music legacy and still made a buck if they could have just found a way to get past all the nonsense. It's too bad because they were a hell of a band.
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