Sick of the petty bullshit

[Monker]

It's petty, uninformed, speculation when people go down this road...and it is fairly unimportant in the grand scheme of things anyway.

What is the grand scheme of things, anyway?

It is the fact that when I listen to ANY Styx related music, I really don't care what is posted on their website. I don't remember when the last time I was there anyway...So, I really don't care what is said, or not said, on Styxworld.com

Bands like Journey and Styx who continue on without their most recognizable and, arguably, most important member but still portray themselves as the real deal

This just isn't true. They have gone out of their way to say how they have changed. They ignore Babe and Kilroy. They add Gowan solo songs. They do not go about pretending to be the same band prior to the split with Dennis - they have made a point to say they are different....and have been critiqued for that too.

These bands (like Styx) on the one hand want to distance themselves from their former lead singers

Journey hired a guy who did a good Perry imitation on YouTube, went about saying they were returning to the "legacy sound', went on to record an album of their old hits coupled with an album that had a throwback sound to the 80's...all in the midst of "Don't Stop Believin'" hysteria.

That is not distancing themselves from their former lead singer - they embraced him and moved closer to him.

and on the other hand want to perpetuate the illusion to the public that they're the same band they were 30 years ago when the lead singer (and in many instances, main writer) was still there.

That is what Journey did....but it is NOT what Styx has done.

Listen, if Styx (Tommy and JY) thought they could triple their income, on a regular basis and still keep control over the band, by letting Dennis back in the band, they'd do it quicker than you could say "the party's over."

Well, of course. In fact, I would even say that is all part of the reason they all got back together prior to BNW in the first place...But, Dennis went down the control path, and the $'s were not as they could have been cuz Dennis just did not want to tour.

But, as the years have passed and the crowds have gotten smaller, so too have their pieces of the pie. Dennis never gets back in because that would mean TS and JY would have to carve up what little money is left from this already dead horse.

That may be part of the reason...But, I also believe that they ARE much happier with him not in the band. So, what is the point of making less money, and being unhappy. Dennis will never be back in Styx...I have said that for years. I could probably go into alt.music.journey and find a post from 10yrs ago saying that.

I think Dennis would have been absolutely foolish when the lawsuit was 'settled' to allow the band to continue using his name or image in any promotion of the band whatsoever.

Why is that?

Seriously? Why would Dennis, or anybody, give up control of his own name and image to the business he just departed from? That is just foolish. HE needs to have control of his own name and image. if Styx posts a pic of Dennis from 1979 looking all goofy, his lawyers will make them take it down...I can almost guarantee that. That is what they SHOULD do. So, why would Styx want to put themselves in legal jeopardy by mentioning Dennis at all? Again, I doubt it is the band doing it, it is their legal team.

He lets them sing his stuff but not use him in the band's bio?

If the band wants to perform "Desert Moon", their is nothing Dennis can do to stop them. They can perform any song they want, no matter who wrote it.

If the band wants to publish his name on their website, he can take them to court and make them stop. So, why would the band's attorney's NOT advise the band's webmaster to remove anything about Dennis from the site? The anger of a few over zealous fans outweigh the risk of going to court?

Makes no sense to me. Maybe, though, DDY is that bitchy. Who knows? I think a lot of the bad blood in this band has to do with Dennis reclaiming of all his publishing from the other guys before the "Edge of the Century" debacle.

Exactly....the band needs to tour to make money. Dennis doesn't have to...and did not want to. That is a problem.

Truth be told, if you asked 100 people under the age of 35 who "Styx" is or was, 80 percent wouldn't know who you were talking about. Sorry, man, same thing for Journey. That band's biggest push in the last few years was being the song the Sopranos ended with.

So, the fact that they had a platinum album a few years ago, have had HUGE tours, featured on Glee, have been all over the talk shows...that adds up to nothing. More people know who Journey are then you give credit.

It's not petty to talk about this stuff.

I said that in referring to the talk about removing Dennis from the site. It is petty, speculative, and unimportant...Tell me why it's so important? Tell me why I should read the speculation and guesses by bias fans who know no more about what is going on with the site then the dog barking next door.

Then Steve Perry is probably as big an ass as I could imagine.

Yep....he is very paranoid about his public image.

Really, is that what these guys have left to fight over, a picture of Steve Perry in some disgusting 80s costume appearing on the Journey website? I guess I could see, in some instances, where putting a picture of the guy on the site (when he's no longer a member) could cause a problem because it would give the impression that he's still with the band. Sticking his name and ALL of his contributions to the band in the bio, then saying he left the band in 19 whatever, well, sorry, I don't get it and don't see how it could be a problem.

The bottom line is that Perry did not want his image on the Journey site. The forum was part of the site...So, they censored it. Then Journey is blamed for censoring Perry. On top of that JOURNEY did not want to allow any concert pics being posted for whatever reason...just ridiculous.

As far as your point...Styx was taken to court by Dennis once. Why in the world would any attorney not limit the bands vulnerability to another lawsuit by that SAME PERSON? I mean, really, this is just common sense here.

[Andrew]

Ok, so I need to keep some ass and ban some tools....appear all tough and in control, eh?

Ok! Let's go!

[Babyblue]

Is it 2015 yet with those fancy Back to the Future sneakers with real self-closing lacing (not the limited edition ones on eBay they're hawking)? Wake me up then. I bet this discussion will still be going on.

I saw that on GMA they really look so cool.I guess we need to buy a pair but i bet you will pay big time for them.

[froy]

"Toph"

announces a date with multi-platinum recording artist Styx,

Excuse me but when did this lineup have a multi platinum anything?

[Boomchild]

In their private moments do you think TS or JY really think that anything they're doing now compares to the glory years? They'd be delusional to think so.

Actually I think that JY is and has been delusional. He feels that this incarnation of Styx "Is The Best Version Of Styx Ever". In his own mind he thinks his contributions to the band had more to do with the bands success then it really did. This coming from a guy in my opinion can't write a quality song on his own. I remember one of the band members saying that he was always the last to submit material for new songs and they always needed work to make them into something usable.

[gr8dane]

In their private moments do you think TS or JY really think that anything they're doing now compares to the glory years? They'd be delusional to think so.

Actually I think that JY is and has been delusional. He feels that this incarnation of Styx "Is The Best Version Of Styx Ever". In his own mind he thinks his contributions to the band had more to do with the bands success then it really did. This coming from a guy in my opinion can't write a quality song on his own. I remember one of the band members saying that he was always the last to submit material for new songs and they always needed work to make them into something usable.

This is just a hunch,I'm probably mistaken.

I think what JY thinks is 'best' is a little different that what is best for you.
I have a feeling that what best means for him is-
Never to see Dennis again,never hear him talk,never be on tour and travel with him.Never play his ballads again.
Never hear his 5 minute introduction to The Grand Illusion again.Never see his jazz hands(or is that jizz?) The list is probably a lot longer.

Best is probably also playing when he wants to,pretty much where he wants, to with people he likes to play with and be in band with.

And of course is also now the boss.

[Keiferb]

Please. You guys don't know how to discuss this band without throwing about insults and degrading them. It is far, far, beyond your ability.

Dude, this is pretty ironic coming from you. I'm hard pressed to think of a time when you discussed anything on this board without hurling insults at others, or degrading them. Hell, this thread alone is riddled with them. When you have an issue w/something posted (which is so often, I would wonder why you read anything on this board), you resort to all sorts of childish name calling. You also attempt to trivialize others opinions by trumpeting your facts and pontificating you're own points like you are THE resident expert on everything - The great Monker has spoken - we should all bow down. Really, how did you come to be so smart, and so all knowing? Maybe you have some form of inside information on everything. If you do, well that's just terrific.

Sometimes, I personally happen to agree with you, in spite of the fact you work hard to demean others. Your arguments often seem logically oriented, and make sense. It's in the way you do it. Do some beat the same drum over and over again? Yup. Do I sometimes? Maybe. These boards permit that, whether you like it or not, or think it important, or valid. You do the same with your endless berating of almost everyone else (except Zan it seems, for some reason). Nice half hearted back pedal on the retard comments by the way.

It's a shame this board doesn't have Facebook like features, where you could hide blathering posts from those that annoy you. I'd hide you, and Babyblue (I mean really, how many times can one stand to read about how Gowan's such a great singer, or how she wets her pants over his tight his ass). You, on the other hand could hide, well, everyone. And you wouldn't be bothered any more.

I'm off now to start a new thread on how Gowan sucks, and how DDY should be back in the band for one final go-round.

[Monker]

Please. You guys don't know how to discuss this band without throwing about insults and degrading them. It is far, far, beyond your ability.

Dude, this is pretty ironic coming from you. I'm hard pressed to think of a time when you discussed anything on this board without hurling insults at others, or degrading them. Hell, this thread alone is riddled with them. When you have an issue w/something posted (which is so often, I would wonder why you read anything on this board), you resort to all sorts of childish name calling. You also attempt to trivialize others opinions by trumpeting your facts and pontificating you're own points like you are THE resident expert on everything - The great Monker has spoken - we should all bow down. Really, how did you come to be so smart, and so all knowing? Maybe you have some form of inside information on everything. If you do, well that's just terrific.

Sometimes, I personally happen to agree with you, in spite of the fact you work hard to demean others. Your arguments often seem logically oriented, and make sense. It's in the way you do it. Do some beat the same drum over and over again? Yup. Do I sometimes? Maybe. These boards permit that, whether you like it or not, or think it important, or valid. You do the same with your endless berating of almost everyone else (except Zan it seems, for some reason). Nice half hearted back pedal on the retard comments by the way.

It's a shame this board doesn't have Facebook like features, where you could hide blathering posts from those that annoy you. I'd hide you, and Babyblue (I mean really, how many times can one stand to read about how Gowan's such a great singer, or how she wets her pants over his tight his ass). You, on the other hand could hide, well, everyone. And you wouldn't be bothered any more.

I'm off now to start a new thread on how Gowan sucks, and how DDY should be back in the band for one final go-round.

I don't go out of my way to insult Dennis at every turn. I don't even do that to Perry any longer. That just does not happen so much...Once in a while, sure...but not constantly.

I'll admit that I like Zan...and she's friendly with Dayle, which is always a huge plus with me. She's just a cool lady. And, she's stayed out of most of this back and forth lately. But, I also do not attack Allan, or Sterling, or that Pink Floyd dude, and others. The people who stay above the fray, I don't go after. But, if people want to insult the band and generally act like assholes, well, I don't have much respect for them, and I really don't care if they respect me.

[Zan]

...or that Pink Floyd dude

ROFL

[Boomchild]

In their private moments do you think TS or JY really think that anything they're doing now compares to the glory years? They'd be delusional to think so.

Actually I think that JY is and has been delusional. He feels that this incarnation of Styx "Is The Best Version Of Styx Ever". In his own mind he thinks his contributions to the band had more to do with the bands success then it really did. This coming from a guy in my opinion can't write a quality song on his own. I remember one of the band members saying that he was always the last to submit material for new songs and they always needed work to make them into something usable.

This is just a hunch,I'm probably mistaken.

I think what JY thinks is 'best' is a little different that what is best for you.
I have a feeling that what best means for him is-
Never to see Dennis again,never hear him talk,never be on tour and travel with him.Never play his ballads again.
Never hear his 5 minute introduction to The Grand Illusion again.Never see his jazz hands(or is that jizz?) The list is probably a lot longer.

Best is probably also playing when he wants to,pretty much where he wants, to with people he likes to play with and be in band with.

And of course is also now the boss.

You forgot to cut a bigger piece of the money pie for himself.

[Boomchild]

Please. You guys don't know how to discuss this band without throwing about insults and degrading them. It is far, far, beyond your ability.

Dude, this is pretty ironic coming from you. I'm hard pressed to think of a time when you discussed anything on this board without hurling insults at others, or degrading them. Hell, this thread alone is riddled with them. When you have an issue w/something posted (which is so often, I would wonder why you read anything on this board), you resort to all sorts of childish name calling. You also attempt to trivialize others opinions by trumpeting your facts and pontificating you're own points like you are THE resident expert on everything - The great Monker has spoken - we should all bow down. Really, how did you come to be so smart, and so all knowing? Maybe you have some form of inside information on everything. If you do, well that's just terrific.

Sometimes, I personally happen to agree with you, in spite of the fact you work hard to demean others. Your arguments often seem logically oriented, and make sense. It's in the way you do it. Do some beat the same drum over and over again? Yup. Do I sometimes? Maybe. These boards permit that, whether you like it or not, or think it important, or valid. You do the same with your endless berating of almost everyone else (except Zan it seems, for some reason). Nice half hearted back pedal on the retard comments by the way.

It's a shame this board doesn't have Facebook like features, where you could hide blathering posts from those that annoy you. I'd hide you, and Babyblue (I mean really, how many times can one stand to read about how Gowan's such a great singer, or how she wets her pants over his tight his ass). You, on the other hand could hide, well, everyone. And you wouldn't be bothered any more.

I'm off now to start a new thread on how Gowan sucks, and how DDY should be back in the band for one final go-round.

I do not need a filter to block out Monker's posts. As soon as I see his avatar I just skip the bullshit and move on. Works pretty well.

[pinkfloyd1973]

Ok, so I need to keep some ass and ban some tools....appear all tough and in control, eh?

Ok! Let's go!

You need Facebook features on this board (i.e. like and dislike buttons as well as hide posts)

[Rockwriter]

I couldn't imagine a single legal reason that Dennis would be left out of the group's bio or history on their website. It all seems fairly childish to me.

I think Dennis would have been absolutely foolish when the lawsuit was 'settled' to allow the band to continue using his name or image in any promotion of the band whatsoever. That would include the official website.

Personally, I think Dennis' camp complained about 'something' after the settlement, and the Styx camp just decided to remove him completely to avoid any possibility of another court action...and I doubt it was a 'band' decision at all, but a legal one.

It is a well known fact that Steve Perry did the same to Journey. Even fan pics were censored and had to be approved before posting, at least partially because of this. So, don't tell me this is unimaginable - cuz zi know it has happened with other bands who did not end up in court during the split. Funny, the fans accused Journey of the EXACT SAME THING years ago. So, whatever.

It's petty, uninformed, speculation when people go down this road...and it is fairly unimportant in the grand scheme of things anyway.

Well, to be fair and balanced, Styx DID use Dennis' vocal identity, songs and visual likeness after the settlement. Tour promos for years after featured his voice singing songs that weren't even in the set anymore, and the tour VH1 sponsored actually had a commercial showing old footage of Dennis.

Thankfully, in the past couple of years they haven't seemed to do that, which is good. But it kinda took way too long.

Meanwhile, it is a fact that Styx sent legal documents to Dennis threatening to take him back to court, which is why he at one point removed the word "Styx" from his promo materials. That's how fucking ridiculously petty this thing is. Stupid, stupid, stupid, STUPID.

By the way, the exact same way Tommy Shaw got treated when HE was not in the band . . . and directed by the same guy.


Sterling

[pinkfloyd1973]

Meanwhile, it is a fact that Styx sent legal documents to Dennis threatening to take him back to court, which is why he at one point removed the word "Styx" from his promo materials. That's how fucking ridiculously petty this thing is. Stupid, stupid, stupid, STUPID.

By the way, the exact same way Tommy Shaw got treated when HE was not in the band . . . and directed by the same guy.


Sterling

Would this be JY?

[Rockwriter]

Meanwhile, it is a fact that Styx sent legal documents to Dennis threatening to take him back to court, which is why he at one point removed the word "Styx" from his promo materials. That's how fucking ridiculously petty this thing is. Stupid, stupid, stupid, STUPID.

By the way, the exact same way Tommy Shaw got treated when HE was not in the band . . . and directed by the same guy.


Sterling

Would this be JY?

Rather than saying what I think, I'll direct you to the interview I did with Tommy in 1993. It's up at Styxcollector.com and Tommy himself explains his own position better than I ever could.

Go to Styxcollector.com, click on Interviews, and under Tommy Shaw it says "1993 Interview."


Sterling

[mrsp]

What retro 1981 t-shirt do you mean? Is it one they are selling on their website or somewhere else?

[Boomchild]

What retro 1981 t-shirt do you mean? Is it one they are selling on their website or somewhere else?

Check out the post for Styx signs deal with Transmission for merch.

[Baron Von Bielski]

Meanwhile, it is a fact that Styx sent legal documents to Dennis threatening to take him back to court, which is why he at one point removed the word "Styx" from his promo materials. That's how fucking ridiculously petty this thing is. Stupid, stupid, stupid, STUPID.

By the way, the exact same way Tommy Shaw got treated when HE was not in the band . . . and directed by the same guy.


Sterling

Would this be JY?

Rather than saying what I think, I'll direct you to the interview I did with Tommy in 1993. It's up at Styxcollector.com and Tommy himself explains his own position better than I ever could.

Go to Styxcollector.com, click on Interviews, and under Tommy Shaw it says "1993 Interview."


Sterling

That was pretty interesting, thanks. My how things have changed.

[pinkfloyd1973]

...or that Pink Floyd dude

ROFL

[mrbluesman]

If the band wants to perform "Desert Moon",

Lol. True, of course, my guess would be that they wouldn't. Probably falls right behind "Babe" and "First Time" in their minds. Although, strangely, it is probably my favorite DDY song. I must have seen the video to that song a 1,000 times back in the 80s.

So, the fact that they had a platinum album a few years ago, have had HUGE tours, featured on Glee, have been all over the talk shows...that adds up to nothing. More people know who Journey are then you give credit.

Well, here's where I disagree. They played Youngstown OH (where I live) back in 08 with Heart (now I skipped the show, although, I actually do still enjoy Heart live. In fact, I think Heart is one of those rare bands that actually puts on a better show now than they did back in the 70s and 80s). The Ytown show wasn't part of the HUGE tours, I assume. I know Revelation went platinum around that time but, the truth is, outside people who were around and listening to music through the mid 80s, no one younger (say 30 and younger) really knew or cared about Journey. My daughter is 20, her friends, the same age. Not only don't they know who Journey is, they don't even really know who the Eagles are. I mean, it's not the kind of music that interests them and Journey has no real mystique about them (like say the Doors or Hendrix). I guess younger people know some of the songs, and, maybe, when told the stuff is by Journey, they recognize the name. But, they don't really know anything about Steve Perry or Neal Schon. Once, I was listening to the Babys and got to "Turn and Walk Away." My daughter asked who the band was and I told her the name and that John Waite and Johnathon Cain (among others) were in the band. She had no idea who these guys were, so I said, "you know, Johnathon Cain from Journey?" I got a blank stare. So, then I said, "John Waite, Bad English, oh forget it, you know how much I love that song 'Change' (she knew)- that's John Waite." I later brought up "Missing You" and again got the blank stare. Now, I can rattle off virtually every John Waite and Babys song and they mean a lot to me. The point is, both Waite and the Babys were of an era. While I adore that kind of music, there is nothing overly special or lasting about it.

Now, my daughter loves music. The thing is, to her and people her age, Journey is some bloated old dinosaur band from the 80s that she may recognize the music but knows nothing about. Same for Styx (she knows certain songs but nothing about the band). Thing is, too, my daughter knows more about 60s and 70s music than anyone her age, probably, because she's been listening to it, with me, since she was 2 years old.

Journey's recent success does mean something to me. I just think that they (like most bands who got huge in the late 70s and early 80s) have had no lasting impact on music or younger generations. Part of the reason for that is that music (and the way we listen to it) has changed dramatically in the last 20 years. FM radio began a slow death in the 90s. So did pop and rock (classic type rock, anyway). Then, the internet came along and people get their music from just about any source other than a radio now. Radio, itself, imo, programmed itself into a corner by cutting their playlists down. I saw Journey once in the late 70s and 3 times in the 80s. They put on great shows. Probably, once upon a time, they were one of my top 20 bands. I know they have been voted one of top bands of all time, but, really, looking back at it and them, while they put out some great albums and had a distinctive sound, all I can say about them is that they were a nice little rock band. I loved their video game in the 80s. Lol.

For the hell of it, I listened to Journey "Captured" this weekend, along with Perry's "Street Talk." Listening to "Captured," I was reminded how much fun the band was live back then and, to this day, what I remember most about them was that despite their image of being a ballads band ("Faithfully," "DSB," etc.), their concerts kicked ass. "Street Talk," surprisingly, I expected to hate after all these years but I didn't. I still think "Strung Out" is a great song. Still, it's a mediocre album at best. At the end of the day, though, I'm not sure there was lasting greatness with a band like Journey. Sorry.

As to Styx, well, they may sprinkle some Gowan songs in, may ignore "Babe" and "Killroy" but they make their money, now, off playing their old stuff. Period. Very few people that pay to see Styx are paying to see a Gowan song. Most people are of the type that hear the commercial advertising Styx (while "Babe," "Mr Roboto," "CSA," "Fooling Yourself," Grand Illusion," etc. play in the background) and want to go hear those songs and scream out during "Blue Collar Man." They're not there for the new stuff and wouldn't pay $50 or $90 to hear Gowan or what new stuff Styx has put out. You say the band has gone out of their way to show people that they've broke from their past, but, I think that's bull. The local promoters promote them by showcasing their greatest hits. No commercial points out that DDY is gone. In fact, knowing people, a decent percentage of concert goers probably have no idea who DDY is and certainly no idea that the guy that sang all those huge hits hasn't been with the band in over a decade.

Personally, as I've said, I enjoy Tommy's stuff more. I can listen to his stuff like "Sing For The Day" and "Lights" over and over again and never grow tired of it. I'm far more impressed with his catalog than DDYs. Still, what made the band great was the combination of both of their styles and music.

[Zan]

Meanwhile, it is a fact that Styx sent legal documents to Dennis threatening to take him back to court, which is why he at one point removed the word "Styx" from his promo materials. That's how fucking ridiculously petty this thing is. Stupid, stupid, stupid, STUPID.

By the way, the exact same way Tommy Shaw got treated when HE was not in the band . . . and directed by the same guy.


Sterling

Would this be JY?

Rather than saying what I think, I'll direct you to the interview I did with Tommy in 1993. It's up at Styxcollector.com and Tommy himself explains his own position better than I ever could.

Go to Styxcollector.com, click on Interviews, and under Tommy Shaw it says "1993 Interview."


Sterling

That was pretty interesting, thanks. My how things have changed.

Well, of course, that all depends on how you look at it. I mean, IS Tommy or ISN'T Tommy a pathological liar? If the answer is yes (like you all attest), then you really can't put any credence into what he said back then. If you believe what he says to be true, then you must therefore adhere to the notion that he is telling the truth - because, let's face it, you can't pick & choose which lies to believe, can you? I mean, unless of course you're only sifting through sewage searching for anything you can find that will disparage JY.

But you all would never do anything like that, right?

Incidentally, I think the whole "Styx name" legal crap is ridiculous. I remember when Styxnet.com got a "letter" years back. Glen got one once too (because some promoter used "formerly of Styx" on their website or something). So I guess Denny's in good company. Admittedly, it does make me kinda roll my eyes. I'm just not as irate over it as some of you are. It's business. It's stupid business, but it's business nonetheless.

[Rockwriter]

Meanwhile, it is a fact that Styx sent legal documents to Dennis threatening to take him back to court, which is why he at one point removed the word "Styx" from his promo materials. That's how fucking ridiculously petty this thing is. Stupid, stupid, stupid, STUPID.

By the way, the exact same way Tommy Shaw got treated when HE was not in the band . . . and directed by the same guy.


Sterling

Would this be JY?

Rather than saying what I think, I'll direct you to the interview I did with Tommy in 1993. It's up at Styxcollector.com and Tommy himself explains his own position better than I ever could.

Go to Styxcollector.com, click on Interviews, and under Tommy Shaw it says "1993 Interview."


Sterling

That was pretty interesting, thanks. My how things have changed.

Well, of course, that all depends on how you look at it. I mean, IS Tommy or ISN'T Tommy a pathological liar? If the answer is yes (like you all attest), then you really can't put any credence into what he said back then. If you believe what he says to be true, then you must therefore adhere to the notion that he is telling the truth - because, let's face it, you can't pick & choose which lies to believe, can you? I mean, unless of course you're only sifting through sewage searching for anything you can find that will disparage JY.

But you all would never do anything like that, right?

Incidentally, I think the whole "Styx name" legal crap is ridiculous. I remember when Styxnet.com got a "letter" years back. Glen got one once too (because some promoter used "formerly of Styx" on their website or something). So I guess Denny's in good company. Admittedly, it does make me kinda roll my eyes. I'm just not as irate over it as some of you are. It's business. It's stupid business, but it's business nonetheless.

I don't think Tommy's a pathological liar at all. I just think he says whatever is best to promote his current agenda. Unfortunately he doesn't always keep close track of what's been said in the past, which results in him contradicting himself over time. It's really no big deal, I actually kinda find it entertaining on some level. He is, after all, the same guy who admits he once walked up to his own attorney at an industry function and couldn't place who he was! LOL. Not the sharpest memory.

I knew about the Styxnet letter, but I never knew Glen had gotten one. That's fuckin' hilarious! Amazing! Even I can literally hardly believe that. I don't consider that business. Real business actually gains you something. Sending out what Tommy described as "mean-spirited letters" in instances where there IS no tangible benefit is another thing entirely. I have always wondered exactly what it is that drives that. It's just . . . bizarre.

The funniest part of it all? I'VE never gotten one! Hahahahahahahahahahaha!


Sterling

[Archetype]

Tommy had some zingers in the 1993 interview

Tommy was very clear that he would never return to Styx under any circumstances. "They would have to hold my daughter hostage," he told me, "and playing with them again would be the ransom."

[Babyblue]

Meanwhile, it is a fact that Styx sent legal documents to Dennis threatening to take him back to court, which is why he at one point removed the word "Styx" from his promo materials. That's how fucking ridiculously petty this thing is. Stupid, stupid, stupid, STUPID.

By the way, the exact same way Tommy Shaw got treated when HE was not in the band . . . and directed by the same guy.


Sterling

Would this be JY?

Rather than saying what I think, I'll direct you to the interview I did with Tommy in 1993. It's up at Styxcollector.com and Tommy himself explains his own position better than I ever could.

Go to Styxcollector.com, click on Interviews, and under Tommy Shaw it says "1993 Interview."


Sterling

That was pretty interesting, thanks. My how things have changed.

Well, of course, that all depends on how you look at it. I mean, IS Tommy or ISN'T Tommy a pathological liar? If the answer is yes (like you all attest), then you really can't put any credence into what he said back then. If you believe what he says to be true, then you must therefore adhere to the notion that he is telling the truth - because, let's face it, you can't pick & choose which lies to believe, can you? I mean, unless of course you're only sifting through sewage searching for anything you can find that will disparage JY.

But you all would never do anything like that, right?

Incidentally, I think the whole "Styx name" legal crap is ridiculous. I remember when Styxnet.com got a "letter" years back. Glen got one once too (because some promoter used "formerly of Styx" on their website or something). So I guess Denny's in good company. Admittedly, it does make me kinda roll my eyes. I'm just not as irate over it as some of you are. It's business. It's stupid business, but it's business nonetheless.

So very true Oh and by the way Zan,You Rock

[Boomchild]

Tommy had some zingers in the 1993 interview

Tommy was very clear that he would never return to Styx under any circumstances. "They would have to hold my daughter hostage," he told me, "and playing with them again would be the ransom."

So do you think that JY has Tommy's daughter locked in his attic?

[Boomchild]

Meanwhile, it is a fact that Styx sent legal documents to Dennis threatening to take him back to court, which is why he at one point removed the word "Styx" from his promo materials. That's how fucking ridiculously petty this thing is. Stupid, stupid, stupid, STUPID.

By the way, the exact same way Tommy Shaw got treated when HE was not in the band . . . and directed by the same guy.


Sterling

Would this be JY?

Rather than saying what I think, I'll direct you to the interview I did with Tommy in 1993. It's up at Styxcollector.com and Tommy himself explains his own position better than I ever could.

Go to Styxcollector.com, click on Interviews, and under Tommy Shaw it says "1993 Interview."


Sterling

That was pretty interesting, thanks. My how things have changed.

Well, of course, that all depends on how you look at it. I mean, IS Tommy or ISN'T Tommy a pathological liar? If the answer is yes (like you all attest), then you really can't put any credence into what he said back then. If you believe what he says to be true, then you must therefore adhere to the notion that he is telling the truth - because, let's face it, you can't pick & choose which lies to believe, can you? I mean, unless of course you're only sifting through sewage searching for anything you can find that will disparage JY.

But you all would never do anything like that, right?

Incidentally, I think the whole "Styx name" legal crap is ridiculous. I remember when Styxnet.com got a "letter" years back. Glen got one once too (because some promoter used "formerly of Styx" on their website or something). So I guess Denny's in good company. Admittedly, it does make me kinda roll my eyes. I'm just not as irate over it as some of you are. It's business. It's stupid business, but it's business nonetheless.

I don't think Tommy's a pathological liar at all. I just think he says whatever is best to promote his current agenda. Unfortunately he doesn't always keep close track of what's been said in the past, which results in him contradicting himself over time. It's really no big deal, I actually kinda find it entertaining on some level. He is, after all, the same guy who admits he once walked up to his own attorney at an industry function and couldn't place who he was! LOL. Not the sharpest memory.

I knew about the Styxnet letter, but I never knew Glen had gotten one. That's fuckin' hilarious! Amazing! Even I can literally hardly believe that. I don't consider that business. Real business actually gains you something. Sending out what Tommy described as "mean-spirited letters" in instances where there IS no tangible benefit is another thing entirely. I have always wondered exactly what it is that drives that. It's just . . . bizarre.

The funniest part of it all? I'VE never gotten one! Hahahahahahahahahahaha!


Sterling

I think that he suffers from selective memory. I get the impression that some of his statements in the interview were honest. After all, at that time he wasn't in Styx anymore and wasn't planning to return at all. Since he's now back in the company of JY I wouldn't expect him to make such statements now.