Religion & Morality

[YoungJRNY]

Today, I am going out into the wild, free of civilization. There, I am in God's world he created for us. I am going to survive. No water, no fire, no clothing, no food, no protection, no shelter, no nothing. I am going to pray. Wish me luck!

He gave you a brain ding dong. He expects us to work for what we need.

But I've been stranded for 6 days without food or water. There is no stove or fried chicken in sight. I've become delusional and my common every day skills is waning on me. I can no longer use my brain to make basic comprehension skills. I hear voices in my head. Night is approaching and it's blinding. It's also 20 degrees, I can barely feel my feet, they are frost-bite. My body is shutting down. What did God place for me out in his world to survive this brutal form of survival? What do I do. PRAY!

Well, if your gonna croak anyway, you could either take a chance there is a God, and therefore an afterlife, or just accept your toast. If you were wrong about God existing, no real problem you winked out, you failed to be anymore. If you did not accept God and he exists...........possible problem, and you have all of eternity to mull it over.

God doesn't give me ONE reason to believe in him in reality, nor is there any proof such a God exists in this world of filth, so for him to punish me, his own off-spring and child, for not believing in him and send me to hell for not believing and being a good person all my life is kind of the acts of an asshole.

I heard that the terrorists that took over our planes at 9/11 were on a suicide mission and died for their own God because their religion states that if you die for your country, then you will be rewarded with a lifetime of nude women kissing your feet. People who were in the controls and over-hearing what was going on in that cockpit says moments before the planes struck the towers, the hi-jackers were said to be screaming "ALLAH, ALLAH, ALLAH!"

That would really suck for ALL of those poor Americans and people alike who prayed for Jesus to save their lives and who jumped to their death that the first thing they find out in the afterworld is that Allah is the real God all along. There's just so many God's of religion out there who all follow the same story of Jesus Christ, or in similar fashion. HUNDREDS. If God does exist, who's to say it IS Jesus Christ. Nobody since many believe that their God is the real God. Just one big fairytale in my eyes that offers comfort to the paranoid to give them some sort of a security blanket in dieing, which is said to be the ultimate fear for the living.

[Moon Beam]

What do I do. PRAY!

Why wouldn't you?, no harm in it for surely, Sir.
In my experience, positive provokes it.

[Moon Beam]

I'm not here to change anybodies mind and there's no body out there that could ever change my mind as well.

Cool, happy to see it Sir but don't think I won't pester you in posts.
Sometimes I can't stay silent.

[YoungJRNY]

What do I do. PRAY!

Why wouldn't you?, no harm in it for surely, Sir.
In my experience, positive provokes it.

Well, I've learned that good things happen to me without saying words in my own thoughts to practically nothing other than my own emotions and selfishness. There's no harm in lots of things, doesn't mean I'm going to act on it.

Turns out, everything that has ever seemed to go wrong, corrected itself practically on its own after my own reaction to common sense into taking the next step into correcting the situation with the intangibles presented in front of me without feeling the need to pray to any spiritual God to help me along that way.

People tell me I'm the most positive person they've ever met and I certainly don't believe in a higher power. In fact, it's when people of religion that tries to force their opinions on me that I feel ANY kind of anger. Not sure how that works, should work the opposite in theory. I feel practically no comfort when people tell me God is watching our every step. No comfort at all.

[artist4perry]

Today, I am going out into the wild, free of civilization. There, I am in God's world he created for us. I am going to survive. No water, no fire, no clothing, no food, no protection, no shelter, no nothing. I am going to pray. Wish me luck!

He gave you a brain ding dong. He expects us to work for what we need.

But I've been stranded for 6 days without food or water. There is no stove or fried chicken in sight. I've become delusional and my common every day skills is waning on me. I can no longer use my brain to make basic comprehension skills. I hear voices in my head. Night is approaching and it's blinding. It's also 20 degrees, I can barely feel my feet, they are frost-bite. My body is shutting down. What did God place for me out in his world to survive this brutal form of survival? What do I do. PRAY!

Well, if your gonna croak anyway, you could either take a chance there is a God, and therefore an afterlife, or just accept your toast. If you were wrong about God existing, no real problem you winked out, you failed to be anymore. If you did not accept God and he exists...........possible problem, and you have all of eternity to mull it over.

God doesn't give me ONE reason to believe in him in reality, nor is there any proof such a God exists in this world of filth, so for him to punish me, his own off-spring and child, for not believing in him and send me to hell for not believing and being a good person all my life is kind of the acts of an asshole.

I heard that the terrorists that took over our planes at 9/11 were on a suicide mission and died for their own God because their religion states that if you die for your country, then you will be rewarded with a lifetime of nude women kissing your feet. People who were in the controls and over-hearing what was going on in that cockpit says moments before the planes struck the towers, the hi-jackers were said to be screaming "ALLAH, ALLAH, ALLAH!"

That would really suck for ALL of those poor Americans and people alike who prayed for Jesus to save their lives and who jumped to their death that the first thing they find out in the afterworld is that Allah is the real God all along. There's just so many God's of religion out there who all follow the same story of Jesus Christ, or in similar fashion. HUNDREDS. If God does exist, who's to say it IS Jesus Christ. Nobody since many believe that their God is the real God. Just one big fairytale in my eyes that offers comfort to the paranoid to give them some sort of a security blanket in dieing, which is said to be the ultimate fear for the living.

You know I was just kidding right? LOL

[majik]

Why haven't YOU done something about the child in the last picture? So much for atheism superiority. Churches spend untold money helping the poor and starving in other countries. We as people should do whatever we can regardless of faith or not. I give every week. What are you doing Parfait? I am sure wherever you live there are programs to give. Put your money where your mouth is. It is our job as people to see to the needs of others.

Or do they fall under your scientific "Survival of the fittest."

"I get paid for playing in my imaginary world, how bout you?"

What is the cost of playing in your imaginary world?
The cost is loosing your Self in "the world" of imagination.
While appearance come and go thereby displaying their unreal nature have "you" as the awareness of all coming and going ever gone anywhere? How can presence leave presence...... only in imagination, how can the divine allow such suffering......... only in imagination.

Seriously, you need to realize reading your posts are like reading drivel. I am an artist, and I draw fantasy art. This is my profession. I have a clear understanding of reality and fantasy. As for the divine allowing such suffering, we were never promised never to have pain, sorrow, sadness...........etc. We also have free will. We can chose to help others or remain selfish useless worms on the planet. Those that are of the Christian faith believe that God expects us to help the needy. If your using my sig. to get at me your really reaching!

Ever view is partial !!
These pictures imo. were a blatant attempt to stir up hatred against one group of people. The first two pics have captions to focus a limited view and the last one of the child is caption-less, why? so that the full range of human emotion and imagination can be directed towards a particular target, which was not that of suffering.

As they say, a picture says a thousand words. The caption for the pics could have read....
Pic. 1. I am in awe of the wonderful gift of life.
Pic. 2. This one is for you Dad, wish you were still here.
Pic. 3. It was your generous donation that saved this child and others from certain death, thank you. Or do you imagine that the photographer went along his merry way after the shot ?

The divine does not allow such suffering but an imaginary god thats a different story in imagination.

There is an old saying, "come into my parlour said the spider to the fly" and you all went blindly into parfait's trap, the blind leading the blind if you prefer.

My post was not the personal attack you made it to be but it was to highlight the power of skilful manipulation of the mind.A different caption changes the meaning completely! Look again and try it. Every view is partial therefore its all drivel.

[verslibre]

I heard that the terrorists that took over our planes at 9/11 were on a suicide mission and died for their own God because their religion states that if you die for your country, then you will be rewarded with a lifetime of nude women kissing your feet. People who were in the controls and over-hearing what was going on in that cockpit says moments before the planes struck the towers, the hi-jackers were said to be screaming "ALLAH, ALLAH, ALLAH!"

That would really suck for ALL of those poor Americans and people alike who prayed for Jesus to save their lives and who jumped to their death that the first thing they find out in the afterworld is that Allah is the real God all along. There's just so many God's of religion out there who all follow the same story of Jesus Christ, or in similar fashion. HUNDREDS. If God does exist, who's to say it IS Jesus Christ. Nobody since many believe that their God is the real God. Just one big fairytale in my eyes that offers comfort to the paranoid to give them some sort of a security blanket in dieing, which is said to be the ultimate fear for the living.

Before we can address this, everybody needs to be in agreement with regard to what really happened on 9/11. It should be easier to prove than the existence of God, or lack thereof, since this catastrophic event occurred within our lifetimes.

But it's ten years later, and not everyone is, and certain political officials have mumbled odd things in relation to 9/11 time and again. On the one hand, scientists & engineers shows that WTC 7 collapsed because of its proximity (though it pancaked, too) to the Towers, and on the other hand another set of scientists & engineers shows that there is no way those buildings should have fallen apart the way they did without controlled demolition.

All this should have been cleared up. But it still isn't! And like the argument for or against God, it doesn't look like it will be an open-and-shut case anytime soon.

[verslibre]

These pictures imo. were a blatant attempt to stir up hatred against one group of people.

Look at it this way: he sits silently. Then he flares up. He provokes — more accurately, he irritates. He doesn't seem to go away. He has much in common with a hemorrhoid.

[majik]

Parfait likes to use Einstein when he wrote.
If the theory hadn't been known (theory of general relativity), then we wouldn't have any sort of modern cosmology, as its models are based on Einstein's equations.

Lets see what else Einstein had to say.

Then there are the fanatical atheists whose intolerance is the same as that of the religious fanatics, and it springs from the same source . . . They are creatures who can't hear the music of the spheres. (The Expanded Quotable Einstein, Princeton University Press, 2000 p. 214)

[YoungJRNY]

I heard that the terrorists that took over our planes at 9/11 were on a suicide mission and died for their own God because their religion states that if you die for your country, then you will be rewarded with a lifetime of nude women kissing your feet. People who were in the controls and over-hearing what was going on in that cockpit says moments before the planes struck the towers, the hi-jackers were said to be screaming "ALLAH, ALLAH, ALLAH!"

That would really suck for ALL of those poor Americans and people alike who prayed for Jesus to save their lives and who jumped to their death that the first thing they find out in the afterworld is that Allah is the real God all along. There's just so many God's of religion out there who all follow the same story of Jesus Christ, or in similar fashion. HUNDREDS. If God does exist, who's to say it IS Jesus Christ. Nobody since many believe that their God is the real God. Just one big fairytale in my eyes that offers comfort to the paranoid to give them some sort of a security blanket in dieing, which is said to be the ultimate fear for the living.

Before we can address this, everybody needs to be in agreement with regard to what really happened on 9/11. It should be easier to prove than the existence of God, or lack thereof, since this catastrophic event occurred within our lifetimes.

But it's ten years later, and not everyone is, and certain political officials have mumbled odd things in relation to 9/11 time and again. On the one hand, scientists & engineers shows that WTC 7 collapsed because of its proximity (though it pancaked, too) to the Towers, and on the other hand another set of scientists & engineers shows that there is no way those buildings should have fallen apart the way they did without controlled demolition.

All this should have been cleared up. But it still isn't! And like the argument for or against God, it doesn't look like it will be an open-and-shut case anytime soon.

I'm not talking 9/11 as it happened and the conspiracy theories against it. That's a whole other conversation. My point was that the hi-jackers main purpose in flying those jumbo jets into our buildings was not only hatred towards us, but the very belief of dying for their God, which isn't that of Jesus Christ. Who's to say if God exists, that it IS Jesus when there are hundreds of different religions out there believing and praying to their own God, their God that they say healed and spoke to them in the same manor Jesus spoke to Christians.

[verslibre]

I heard that the terrorists that took over our planes at 9/11 were on a suicide mission and died for their own God because their religion states that if you die for your country, then you will be rewarded with a lifetime of nude women kissing your feet. People who were in the controls and over-hearing what was going on in that cockpit says moments before the planes struck the towers, the hi-jackers were said to be screaming "ALLAH, ALLAH, ALLAH!"

That would really suck for ALL of those poor Americans and people alike who prayed for Jesus to save their lives and who jumped to their death that the first thing they find out in the afterworld is that Allah is the real God all along. There's just so many God's of religion out there who all follow the same story of Jesus Christ, or in similar fashion. HUNDREDS. If God does exist, who's to say it IS Jesus Christ. Nobody since many believe that their God is the real God. Just one big fairytale in my eyes that offers comfort to the paranoid to give them some sort of a security blanket in dieing, which is said to be the ultimate fear for the living.

Before we can address this, everybody needs to be in agreement with regard to what really happened on 9/11. It should be easier to prove than the existence of God, or lack thereof, since this catastrophic event occurred within our lifetimes.

But it's ten years later, and not everyone is, and certain political officials have mumbled odd things in relation to 9/11 time and again. On the one hand, scientists & engineers shows that WTC 7 collapsed because of its proximity (though it pancaked, too) to the Towers, and on the other hand another set of scientists & engineers shows that there is no way those buildings should have fallen apart the way they did without controlled demolition.

All this should have been cleared up. But it still isn't! And like the argument for or against God, it doesn't look like it will be an open-and-shut case anytime soon.

I'm not talking 9/11 as it happened and the conspiracy theories against it. That's a whole other conversation. My point was that the hi-jackers main purpose in flying those jumbo jets into our buildings was not only hatred towards us

But that ties directly into what happened, doesn't it? You could have stated this independently of the above:

Who's to say if God exists, that it IS Jesus when there are hundreds of different religions out there believing and praying to their own God, their God that they say healed and spoke to them in the same manor Jesus spoke to Christians.

[artist4perry]

Why haven't YOU done something about the child in the last picture? So much for atheism superiority. Churches spend untold money helping the poor and starving in other countries. We as people should do whatever we can regardless of faith or not. I give every week. What are you doing Parfait? I am sure wherever you live there are programs to give. Put your money where your mouth is. It is our job as people to see to the needs of others.

Or do they fall under your scientific "Survival of the fittest."

"I get paid for playing in my imaginary world, how bout you?"

What is the cost of playing in your imaginary world?
The cost is loosing your Self in "the world" of imagination.
While appearance come and go thereby displaying their unreal nature have "you" as the awareness of all coming and going ever gone anywhere? How can presence leave presence...... only in imagination, how can the divine allow such suffering......... only in imagination.

Seriously, you need to realize reading your posts are like reading drivel. I am an artist, and I draw fantasy art. This is my profession. I have a clear understanding of reality and fantasy. As for the divine allowing such suffering, we were never promised never to have pain, sorrow, sadness...........etc. We also have free will. We can chose to help others or remain selfish useless worms on the planet. Those that are of the Christian faith believe that God expects us to help the needy. If your using my sig. to get at me your really reaching!

Ever view is partial !!
These pictures imo. were a blatant attempt to stir up hatred against one group of people. The first two pics have captions to focus a limited view and the last one of the child is caption-less, why? so that the full range of human emotion and imagination can be directed towards a particular target, which was not that of suffering.

As they say, a picture says a thousand words. The caption for the pics could have read....
Pic. 1. I am in awe of the wonderful gift of life.
Pic. 2. This one is for you Dad, wish you were still here.
Pic. 3. It was your generous donation that saved this child and others from certain death, thank you. Or do you imagine that the photographer went along his merry way after the shot ?

The divine does not allow such suffering but an imaginary god thats a different story in imagination.

There is an old saying, "come into my parlour said the spider to the fly" and you all went blindly into parfait's trap, the blind leading the blind if you prefer.

My post was not the personal attack you made it to be but it was to highlight the power of skilful manipulation of the mind.A different caption changes the meaning completely! Look again and try it. Every view is partial therefore its all drivel.

When I said your post was drivel, I was referring to the fact you talk in circles and are not clear in the way you write. Learn to write in an intelligible way. I got what it meant clearly. But your writing is difficult to understand because you write so jumbled.

[majik]

Why haven't YOU done something about the child in the last picture? So much for atheism superiority. Churches spend untold money helping the poor and starving in other countries. We as people should do whatever we can regardless of faith or not. I give every week. What are you doing Parfait? I am sure wherever you live there are programs to give. Put your money where your mouth is. It is our job as people to see to the needs of others.

Or do they fall under your scientific "Survival of the fittest."

"I get paid for playing in my imaginary world, how bout you?"

What is the cost of playing in your imaginary world?
The cost is loosing your Self in "the world" of imagination.
While appearance come and go thereby displaying their unreal nature have "you" as the awareness of all coming and going ever gone anywhere? How can presence leave presence...... only in imagination, how can the divine allow such suffering......... only in imagination.

Seriously, you need to realize reading your posts are like reading drivel. I am an artist, and I draw fantasy art. This is my profession. I have a clear understanding of reality and fantasy. As for the divine allowing such suffering, we were never promised never to have pain, sorrow, sadness...........etc. We also have free will. We can chose to help others or remain selfish useless worms on the planet. Those that are of the Christian faith believe that God expects us to help the needy. If your using my sig. to get at me your really reaching!

Ever view is partial !!
These pictures imo. were a blatant attempt to stir up hatred against one group of people. The first two pics have captions to focus a limited view and the last one of the child is caption-less, why? so that the full range of human emotion and imagination can be directed towards a particular target, which was not that of suffering.

As they say, a picture says a thousand words. The caption for the pics could have read....
Pic. 1. I am in awe of the wonderful gift of life.
Pic. 2. This one is for you Dad, wish you were still here.
Pic. 3. It was your generous donation that saved this child and others from certain death, thank you. Or do you imagine that the photographer went along his merry way after the shot ?

The divine does not allow such suffering but an imaginary god thats a different story in imagination.

There is an old saying, "come into my parlour said the spider to the fly" and you all went blindly into parfait's trap, the blind leading the blind if you prefer.

My post was not the personal attack you made it to be but it was to highlight the power of skilful manipulation of the mind.A different caption changes the meaning completely! Look again and try it. Every view is partial therefore its all drivel.

When I said your post was drivel, I was referring to the fact you talk in circles and are not clear in the way you write. Learn to write in an intelligible way. I got what it meant clearly. But your writing is difficult to understand because you write so jumbled.

I write the way I write deliberately. I do that in an effort to subdue rather than stimulate the normal thought process. Rather than introduce new concepts I may use one concept to undermine another concept. Just as a splinter may be used to remove another splinter and both then thrown in the fire, so too with concepts.
This is difficult for the mind as there is nothing for mind to grasp on to in its effort to rebuild new concepts.
Reality is non-conceptual but can only be spoken about using concepts and ideas which then become erroneous views of "This" non-conceptual reality. In other words reality is seen through the veil of conceptual thinking.
The mind does not Know what "This" Is even if you think it does, how many captions can be placed on one photo well the mind is doing just that instantaneously NOW! with this.
When this is seen to be the case the seductive spell of the mind or illusion is destroyed and REALITY is seen for what it truly is..........GOD.
Impossible for the mind to believe!!!!! mind cannot go there, will not go there!

You said my post was drivel, I talk in circles, I'm not clear, I'm difficult to understand, I write in a jumbled way etc. yet you contradict all of that and finish with "I got what it meant clearly" now how is that.
The mind did not get it but it did resonate with something other than mind, THAT which KNOWS the mind intimately. The mind will not get this at all it is only a tool with its limitations, can the finite understand the infinite? no. but the infinite can be known fully, it is here NOW!! its not somewhere else separate if it was it would not be INFINITE and ALL INCLUSIVE.

[artist4perry]

Why haven't YOU done something about the child in the last picture? So much for atheism superiority. Churches spend untold money helping the poor and starving in other countries. We as people should do whatever we can regardless of faith or not. I give every week. What are you doing Parfait? I am sure wherever you live there are programs to give. Put your money where your mouth is. It is our job as people to see to the needs of others.

Or do they fall under your scientific "Survival of the fittest."

"I get paid for playing in my imaginary world, how bout you?"

What is the cost of playing in your imaginary world?
The cost is loosing your Self in "the world" of imagination.
While appearance come and go thereby displaying their unreal nature have "you" as the awareness of all coming and going ever gone anywhere? How can presence leave presence...... only in imagination, how can the divine allow such suffering......... only in imagination.

Seriously, you need to realize reading your posts are like reading drivel. I am an artist, and I draw fantasy art. This is my profession. I have a clear understanding of reality and fantasy. As for the divine allowing such suffering, we were never promised never to have pain, sorrow, sadness...........etc. We also have free will. We can chose to help others or remain selfish useless worms on the planet. Those that are of the Christian faith believe that God expects us to help the needy. If your using my sig. to get at me your really reaching!

Ever view is partial !!
These pictures imo. were a blatant attempt to stir up hatred against one group of people. The first two pics have captions to focus a limited view and the last one of the child is caption-less, why? so that the full range of human emotion and imagination can be directed towards a particular target, which was not that of suffering.

As they say, a picture says a thousand words. The caption for the pics could have read....
Pic. 1. I am in awe of the wonderful gift of life.
Pic. 2. This one is for you Dad, wish you were still here.
Pic. 3. It was your generous donation that saved this child and others from certain death, thank you. Or do you imagine that the photographer went along his merry way after the shot ?

The divine does not allow such suffering but an imaginary god thats a different story in imagination.

There is an old saying, "come into my parlour said the spider to the fly" and you all went blindly into parfait's trap, the blind leading the blind if you prefer.

My post was not the personal attack you made it to be but it was to highlight the power of skilful manipulation of the mind.A different caption changes the meaning completely! Look again and try it. Every view is partial therefore its all drivel.

When I said your post was drivel, I was referring to the fact you talk in circles and are not clear in the way you write. Learn to write in an intelligible way. I got what it meant clearly. But your writing is difficult to understand because you write so jumbled.

I write the way I write deliberately. I do that in an effort to subdue rather than stimulate the normal thought process. Rather than introduce new concepts I may use one concept to undermine another concept. Just as a splinter may be used to remove another splinter and both then thrown in the fire, so too with concepts.
This is difficult for the mind as there is nothing for mind to grasp on to in its effort to rebuild new concepts.
Reality is non-conceptual but can only be spoken about using concepts and ideas which then become erroneous views of "This" non-conceptual reality. In other words reality is seen through the veil of conceptual thinking.
The mind does not Know what "This" Is even if you think it does, how many captions can be placed on one photo well the mind is doing just that instantaneously NOW! with this.
When this is seen to be the case the seductive spell of the mind or illusion is destroyed and REALITY is seen for what it truly is..........GOD.
Impossible for the mind to believe!!!!! mind cannot go there, will not go there!

You said my post was drivel, I talk in circles, I'm not clear, I'm difficult to understand, I write in a jumbled way etc. yet you contradict all of that and finish with "I got what it meant clearly" now how is that.
The mind did not get it but it did resonate with something other than mind, THAT which KNOWS the mind intimately. The mind will not get this at all it is only a tool with its limitations, can the finite understand the infinite? no. but the infinite can be known fully, it is here NOW!! its not somewhere else separate if it was it would not be INFINITE and ALL INCLUSIVE.

I got parfait's little cut down to God clearly. As for your writing, keep on circling in the cosmos of weirdness that is the sublime undermining underpinning of the stratosphere of your cerebral cortex. Take it easy on the weed. Puff the magic dragon is not your friend. Peace out!

[conversationpc]

I got parfait's little cut down to God clearly. As for your writing, keep on circling in the cosmos of weirdness that is the sublime undermining underpinning of the stratosphere of your cerebral cortex. Take it easy on the weed. Puff the magic dragon is not your friend. Peace out!

[artist4perry]

http://youtu.be/TexL-eyZHzo Reminds me if this argument.

Majik, what good is the type of argument style you use if you are losing your ability to get your ideas across? Just think about it.

[majik]

Why haven't YOU done something about the child in the last picture? So much for atheism superiority. Churches spend untold money helping the poor and starving in other countries. We as people should do whatever we can regardless of faith or not. I give every week. What are you doing Parfait? I am sure wherever you live there are programs to give. Put your money where your mouth is. It is our job as people to see to the needs of others.

Or do they fall under your scientific "Survival of the fittest."

"I get paid for playing in my imaginary world, how bout you?"

What is the cost of playing in your imaginary world?
The cost is loosing your Self in "the world" of imagination.
While appearance come and go thereby displaying their unreal nature have "you" as the awareness of all coming and going ever gone anywhere? How can presence leave presence...... only in imagination, how can the divine allow such suffering......... only in imagination.

Seriously, you need to realize reading your posts are like reading drivel. I am an artist, and I draw fantasy art. This is my profession. I have a clear understanding of reality and fantasy. As for the divine allowing such suffering, we were never promised never to have pain, sorrow, sadness...........etc. We also have free will. We can chose to help others or remain selfish useless worms on the planet. Those that are of the Christian faith believe that God expects us to help the needy. If your using my sig. to get at me your really reaching!

Ever view is partial !!
These pictures imo. were a blatant attempt to stir up hatred against one group of people. The first two pics have captions to focus a limited view and the last one of the child is caption-less, why? so that the full range of human emotion and imagination can be directed towards a particular target, which was not that of suffering.

As they say, a picture says a thousand words. The caption for the pics could have read....
Pic. 1. I am in awe of the wonderful gift of life.
Pic. 2. This one is for you Dad, wish you were still here.
Pic. 3. It was your generous donation that saved this child and others from certain death, thank you. Or do you imagine that the photographer went along his merry way after the shot ?

The divine does not allow such suffering but an imaginary god thats a different story in imagination.

There is an old saying, "come into my parlour said the spider to the fly" and you all went blindly into parfait's trap, the blind leading the blind if you prefer.

My post was not the personal attack you made it to be but it was to highlight the power of skilful manipulation of the mind.A different caption changes the meaning completely! Look again and try it. Every view is partial therefore its all drivel.

When I said your post was drivel, I was referring to the fact you talk in circles and are not clear in the way you write. Learn to write in an intelligible way. I got what it meant clearly. But your writing is difficult to understand because you write so jumbled.

I write the way I write deliberately. I do that in an effort to subdue rather than stimulate the normal thought process. Rather than introduce new concepts I may use one concept to undermine another concept. Just as a splinter may be used to remove another splinter and both then thrown in the fire, so too with concepts.
This is difficult for the mind as there is nothing for mind to grasp on to in its effort to rebuild new concepts.
Reality is non-conceptual but can only be spoken about using concepts and ideas which then become erroneous views of "This" non-conceptual reality. In other words reality is seen through the veil of conceptual thinking.
The mind does not Know what "This" Is even if you think it does, how many captions can be placed on one photo well the mind is doing just that instantaneously NOW! with this.
When this is seen to be the case the seductive spell of the mind or illusion is destroyed and REALITY is seen for what it truly is..........GOD.
Impossible for the mind to believe!!!!! mind cannot go there, will not go there!

You said my post was drivel, I talk in circles, I'm not clear, I'm difficult to understand, I write in a jumbled way etc. yet you contradict all of that and finish with "I got what it meant clearly" now how is that.
The mind did not get it but it did resonate with something other than mind, THAT which KNOWS the mind intimately. The mind will not get this at all it is only a tool with its limitations, can the finite understand the infinite? no. but the infinite can be known fully, it is here NOW!! its not somewhere else separate if it was it would not be INFINITE and ALL INCLUSIVE.

I got parfait's little cut down to God clearly. As for your writing, keep on circling in the cosmos of weirdness that is the sublime undermining underpinning of the stratosphere of your cerebral cortex. Take it easy on the weed. Puff the magic dragon is not your friend. Peace out!

[conversationpc]

Can you folks trim down your quotes so you're not quoting half a page of replies, for crying out loud? Makes following anything here extremely difficult.

[majik]

http://youtu.be/TexL-eyZHzo Reminds me if this argument.

Majik, what good is the type of argument style you use if you are losing your ability to get your ideas across? Just think about it.

Wrong again. This here/now is not an idea, although ideas about what this is may arise and that's fine, thats what mind will do. I'm saying all ideas completely miss the mark, if we let go of all our ideas/ concepts etc. even for a moment what remains is non-conceptual reality free of conditioning, free of fear of the future and guilt of the past, free of the idea of being a limited time bound separate entity born only to die. What remains is Being-ness, not a world filled with separate beings. Thought apparently splits up this being/reality into a me and a you and a world, that is appearance only.
Is this an idea? well that can only be discovered for oneself. I have no ability whatsoever to get this across no one has. All the ancient traditions point to this fact while there is only a thread that runs through religion today. Unfortunately I'm seeing it is a pointless exercise to even try express this.

You say you are an artist, try expressing your art in words so I KNOW it without ever seeing it for myself. It can't be done, I'm sure it would also sound like gibberish on this end, maybe think about that.

[ohsherrie]

Religion is the greatest and most egregious con that has ever been perpetrated upon humanity.

It's not hard to understand how, during the ages of scienctific ignorance, people had to invent some supernatural reason and meaning when nothing they knew of could explain nature.

But those days are long passed. Now, when knowledge is available to us and we know that the "church" has over the years manipulated the dogma to suit it's greedly, meglomaniacal purposes, besides being an absurdity, religion should be a crime. It has conned people out of more billions of dollars than Bernie Madoff costed more millions of lives than any despotic dictator.

As long as religion is alive and well, so will be ignorance and hatred.

[Behshad]

Why haven't YOU done something about the child in the last picture? So much for atheism superiority. Churches spend untold money helping the poor and starving in other countries. We as people should do whatever we can regardless of faith or not. I give every week. What are you doing Parfait? I am sure wherever you live there are programs to give. Put your money where your mouth is. It is our job as people to see to the needs of others.

Or do they fall under your scientific "Survival of the fittest."

"I get paid for playing in my imaginary world, how bout you?"

What is the cost of playing in your imaginary world?
The cost is loosing your Self in "the world" of imagination.
While appearance come and go thereby displaying their unreal nature have "you" as the awareness of all coming and going ever gone anywhere? How can presence leave presence...... only in imagination, how can the divine allow such suffering......... only in imagination.

Seriously, you need to realize reading your posts are like reading drivel. I am an artist, and I draw fantasy art. This is my profession. I have a clear understanding of reality and fantasy. As for the divine allowing such suffering, we were never promised never to have pain, sorrow, sadness...........etc. We also have free will. We can chose to help others or remain selfish useless worms on the planet. Those that are of the Christian faith believe that God expects us to help the needy. If your using my sig. to get at me your really reaching!

Ever view is partial !!
These pictures imo. were a blatant attempt to stir up hatred against one group of people. The first two pics have captions to focus a limited view and the last one of the child is caption-less, why? so that the full range of human emotion and imagination can be directed towards a particular target, which was not that of suffering.

As they say, a picture says a thousand words. The caption for the pics could have read....
Pic. 1. I am in awe of the wonderful gift of life.
Pic. 2. This one is for you Dad, wish you were still here.
Pic. 3. It was your generous donation that saved this child and others from certain death, thank you. Or do you imagine that the photographer went along his merry way after the shot ?

The divine does not allow such suffering but an imaginary god thats a different story in imagination.

There is an old saying, "come into my parlour said the spider to the fly" and you all went blindly into parfait's trap, the blind leading the blind if you prefer.

My post was not the personal attack you made it to be but it was to highlight the power of skilful manipulation of the mind.A different caption changes the meaning completely! Look again and try it. Every view is partial therefore its all drivel.

When I said your post was drivel, I was referring to the fact you talk in circles and are not clear in the way you write. Learn to write in an intelligible way. I got what it meant clearly. But your writing is difficult to understand because you write so jumbled.

I write the way I write deliberately. I do that in an effort to subdue rather than stimulate the normal thought process. Rather than introduce new concepts I may use one concept to undermine another concept. Just as a splinter may be used to remove another splinter and both then thrown in the fire, so too with concepts.
This is difficult for the mind as there is nothing for mind to grasp on to in its effort to rebuild new concepts.
Reality is non-conceptual but can only be spoken about using concepts and ideas which then become erroneous views of "This" non-conceptual reality. In other words reality is seen through the veil of conceptual thinking.
The mind does not Know what "This" Is even if you think it does, how many captions can be placed on one photo well the mind is doing just that instantaneously NOW! with this.
When this is seen to be the case the seductive spell of the mind or illusion is destroyed and REALITY is seen for what it truly is..........GOD.
Impossible for the mind to believe!!!!! mind cannot go there, will not go there!

You said my post was drivel, I talk in circles, I'm not clear, I'm difficult to understand, I write in a jumbled way etc. yet you contradict all of that and finish with "I got what it meant clearly" now how is that.
The mind did not get it but it did resonate with something other than mind, THAT which KNOWS the mind intimately. The mind will not get this at all it is only a tool with its limitations, can the finite understand the infinite? no. but the infinite can be known fully, it is here NOW!! its not somewhere else separate if it was it would not be INFINITE and ALL INCLUSIVE.

I got parfait's little cut down to God clearly. As for your writing, keep on circling in the cosmos of weirdness that is the sublime undermining underpinning of the stratosphere of your cerebral cortex. Take it easy on the weed. Puff the magic dragon is not your friend. Peace out!

Im just quoting this to fuck with Dave

[Greg]

Religion is the greatest and most egregious con that has ever been perpetrated upon humanity.

It's not hard to understand how, during the ages of scienctific ignorance, people had to invent some supernatural reason and meaning when nothing they knew of could explain nature.

But those days are long passed. Now, when knowledge is available to us and we know that the "church" has over the years manipulated the dogma to suit it's greedly, meglomaniacal purposes, besides being an absurdity, religion should be a crime. It has conned people out of more billions of dollars than Bernie Madoff costed more millions of lives than any despotic dictator.

As long as religion is alive and well, so will be ignorance and hatred.

Oh please, give it a rest.

To this day, I cannot understand why atheists do not have the ability to leave the religious debates alone and allow those of faith
to live their lives as how they see fit.

[Saint John]

Religion is the greatest and most egregious con that has ever been perpetrated upon humanity.

It's not hard to understand how, during the ages of scienctific ignorance, people had to invent some supernatural reason and meaning when nothing they knew of could explain nature.

But those days are long passed. Now, when knowledge is available to us and we know that the "church" has over the years manipulated the dogma to suit it's greedly, meglomaniacal purposes, besides being an absurdity, religion should be a crime. It has conned people out of more billions of dollars than Bernie Madoff costed more millions of lives than any despotic dictator.

As long as religion is alive and well, so will be ignorance and hatred.

This is a great fucking post. I simply can't really fathom anyone being able to say they "know" anything about an unknown being, deity or God. The only logical way to proceed is to admit, fully, that you have no idea either way. Anything else is simply irrational. But I will say that there's far more "proof" of the absence of God than there is the existence. There simply hasn't been one recorded event in history, ever, to reflect that such a being exists. It's just preposterous that people become indoctrinated by these various forms of manipulation.

I choose to live my life admitting that I don't know. It's neither scary nor comforting. It just is. Furthermore, I tend to try to facilitate change and make sure that I really don't waste one precious minute buying into something that may not exist. Time is important, but how you spend it is even more important. But I respect those that choose to believe, but also in some way affect change and make the world a better place. Dave, A4P, Red13 and Greg all seem to be people whose religion and thinking I can't comprehend, but I can pretty plainly see that they're all good people. And in the end, that's all that counts.

[Don]

Religion is the greatest and most egregious con that has ever been perpetrated upon humanity.

It's not hard to understand how, during the ages of scienctific ignorance, people had to invent some supernatural reason and meaning when nothing they knew of could explain nature.

But those days are long passed. Now, when knowledge is available to us and we know that the "church" has over the years manipulated the dogma to suit it's greedly, meglomaniacal purposes, besides being an absurdity, religion should be a crime. It has conned people out of more billions of dollars than Bernie Madoff costed more millions of lives than any despotic dictator.

As long as religion is alive and well, so will be ignorance and hatred.

This is a great fucking post. I simply can't really fathom anyone being able to say they "know" anything about an unknown being, deity or God. The only logical way to proceed is to admit, fully, that you have no idea either way. Anything else is simply irrational. But I will say that there's far more "proof" of the absence of God than there is the existence. There simply hasn't been one recorded event in history, ever, to reflect that such a being exists. It's just preposterous that people become indoctrinated by these various forms of manipulation.

I choose to live my life admitting that I don't know. It's neither scary nor comforting. It just is. Furthermore, I tend to try to facilitate change and make sure that I really don't waste one precious minute buying into something that may not exist. Time is important, but how you spend it is even more important. But I respect those that choose to believe, but also in some way affect change and make the world a better place. Dave, A4P, Red13 and Greg all seem to be people whose religion and thinking I can't comprehend, but I can pretty plainly see that they're all good people. And in the end, that's all that counts.

+ ∞

[YoungJRNY]

Religion is the greatest and most egregious con that has ever been perpetrated upon humanity.

It's not hard to understand how, during the ages of scienctific ignorance, people had to invent some supernatural reason and meaning when nothing they knew of could explain nature.

But those days are long passed. Now, when knowledge is available to us and we know that the "church" has over the years manipulated the dogma to suit it's greedly, meglomaniacal purposes, besides being an absurdity, religion should be a crime. It has conned people out of more billions of dollars than Bernie Madoff costed more millions of lives than any despotic dictator.

As long as religion is alive and well, so will be ignorance and hatred.

Oh please, give it a rest.

To this day, I cannot understand why atheists do not have the ability to leave the religious debates alone and allow those of faith
to live their lives as how they see fit.

Lmao, so untrue. It's actually the complete opposite. It's people of religion who get offended when they hear someone doesn't believe in God, only because it isn't the "politically correct" thing to do."

I've seen people of religion drop everything they would ever stand for within the touch of God and completely turn vicious in a debate against someone who doesn't believe OR is even remotely skeptical. I mean, it gets to the point to where the religious threatens ones life and tells another human being they will burn for eternity while atheist's sit there calm and collected in their theories.

You'd think it would be the other way around, the atheist's being rude and mean but man, as soon as a person of God hears those words, look out. It gets nasty then they'll force the "name of God" on that "poor and tortured soul" for not believing. Seen it 100 times over. In my experience anyhow. It's people of religion who acts more fruity than anybody else.

[YoungJRNY]

Religion is the greatest and most egregious con that has ever been perpetrated upon humanity.

It's not hard to understand how, during the ages of scienctific ignorance, people had to invent some supernatural reason and meaning when nothing they knew of could explain nature.

But those days are long passed. Now, when knowledge is available to us and we know that the "church" has over the years manipulated the dogma to suit it's greedly, meglomaniacal purposes, besides being an absurdity, religion should be a crime. It has conned people out of more billions of dollars than Bernie Madoff costed more millions of lives than any despotic dictator.

As long as religion is alive and well, so will be ignorance and hatred.

This is a great fucking post. I simply can't really fathom anyone being able to say they "know" anything about an unknown being, deity or God. The only logical way to proceed is to admit, fully, that you have no idea either way. Anything else is simply irrational. But I will say that there's far more "proof" of the absence of God than there is the existence. There simply hasn't been one recorded event in history, ever, to reflect that such a being exists. It's just preposterous that people become indoctrinated by these various forms of manipulation.

I choose to live my life admitting that I don't know. It's neither scary nor comforting. It just is. Furthermore, I tend to try to facilitate change and make sure that I really don't waste one precious minute buying into something that may not exist. Time is important, but how you spend it is even more important. But I respect those that choose to believe, but also in some way affect change and make the world a better place. Dave, A4P, Red13 and Greg all seem to be people whose religion and thinking I can't comprehend, but I can pretty plainly see that they're all good people. And in the end, that's all that counts.

That's a great fucking post. GREAT post. +1.

[verslibre]

Religion is the greatest and most egregious con that has ever been perpetrated upon humanity.

It's not hard to understand how, during the ages of scienctific ignorance, people had to invent some supernatural reason and meaning when nothing they knew of could explain nature.

But those days are long passed. Now, when knowledge is available to us and we know that the "church" has over the years manipulated the dogma to suit it's greedly, meglomaniacal purposes, besides being an absurdity, religion should be a crime. It has conned people out of more billions of dollars than Bernie Madoff costed more millions of lives than any despotic dictator.

As long as religion is alive and well, so will be ignorance and hatred.

Oh please, give it a rest.

To this day, I cannot understand why atheists do not have the ability to leave the religious debates alone and allow those of faith
to live their lives as how they see fit.

Lmao, so untrue. It's actually the complete opposite. It's people of religion who get offended when they hear someone doesn't believe in God, only because it isn't the "politically correct" thing to do."

I've seen people of religion drop everything they would ever stand for within the touch of God and completely turn vicious in a debate against someone who doesn't believe OR is even remotely skeptical. I mean, it gets to the point to where the religious threatens ones life and tells another human being they will burn for eternity while atheist's sit there calm and collected in their theories.

You'd think it would be the other way around, the atheist's being rude and mean but man, as soon as a person of God hears those words, look out. It gets nasty then they'll force the "name of God" on that "poor and tortured soul" for not believing. Seen it 100 times over. In my experience anyhow. It's people of religion who acts more fruity than anybody else.

I find your stance interesting in light of the fact that Superman, a character essentially modelled on Jesus Christ, is your favorite comics character. Vewwy, vewwy intewesting.

[conversationpc]

Religion is the greatest and most egregious con that has ever been perpetrated upon humanity.

It's not hard to understand how, during the ages of scienctific ignorance, people had to invent some supernatural reason and meaning when nothing they knew of could explain nature.

But those days are long passed. Now, when knowledge is available to us and we know that the "church" has over the years manipulated the dogma to suit it's greedly, meglomaniacal purposes, besides being an absurdity, religion should be a crime. It has conned people out of more billions of dollars than Bernie Madoff costed more millions of lives than any despotic dictator.

As long as religion is alive and well, so will be ignorance and hatred.

Well, how benevolent of you, O Supreme One. Now if it weren't for that darned Constitution thingy.

BTW...How about those hundreds of millions killed in the name of atheism, aka Communism (Stalin's Russia, Mao's China, etc, etc.)?

[conversationpc]

Lmao, so untrue. It's actually the complete opposite. It's people of religion who get offended when they hear someone doesn't believe in God, only because it isn't the "politically correct" thing to do."

Wrong...I've been a member of a number of forums where the atheists behave in the exact same way that you describe here. That doesn't make it right for someone of a particular religious persuasion to act in the same way but your sweeping generalization that it's only or largely the religious folks is just plain wrong.

I've seen people of religion drop everything they would ever stand for within the touch of God and completely turn vicious in a debate against someone who doesn't believe OR is even remotely skeptical. I mean, it gets to the point to where the religious threatens ones life and tells another human being they will burn for eternity while atheist's sit there calm and collected in their theories.

I can't count the number of times I've seen atheists who claim to be moral people all of sudden lose their morality at the drop of a hat by ridiculing and verbally assaulting people who do happen to believe in a god of some kind. You can't claim to be moral on one hand and then violate that morality on the other. It goes both ways.

You'd think it would be the other way around, the atheist's being rude and mean but man, as soon as a person of God hears those words, look out. It gets nasty then they'll force the "name of God" on that "poor and tortured soul" for not believing. Seen it 100 times over. In my experience anyhow. It's people of religion who acts more fruity than anybody else.

As stated above, it goes both ways. This ain't no one way street.

[parfait]

Religion is the greatest and most egregious con that has ever been perpetrated upon humanity.

It's not hard to understand how, during the ages of scienctific ignorance, people had to invent some supernatural reason and meaning when nothing they knew of could explain nature.

But those days are long passed. Now, when knowledge is available to us and we know that the "church" has over the years manipulated the dogma to suit it's greedly, meglomaniacal purposes, besides being an absurdity, religion should be a crime. It has conned people out of more billions of dollars than Bernie Madoff costed more millions of lives than any despotic dictator.

As long as religion is alive and well, so will be ignorance and hatred.

Well, how benevolent of you, O Supreme One.

BTW...How about those hundreds of millions killed in the name of atheism, aka Communism (Stalin's Russia, Mao's China, etc, etc.)?

When was the last time you actually answered a argument with something else than a question? The lack of religion wasn't the motivation behind their actions. Atheism in communism is just an effect of the fact that there's only room for one omnipotent power in their country, and that's the government and their head of state. As well as it being somewhat of a dividing factor according to the communists - the government control the people, not the church. Communism is ugly, no doubt about it. But get your facts straight.