2011-2012 NFL Season Thread

[S2M]

[S2M]

[YoungJRNY]

[YoungJRNY]

[S2M]

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[YoungJRNY]

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[S2M]

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1) Sean O'Hara has Seymour in a headlock...not called.
2) That play wouldn't have mattered if 1st play was called right
3) I agree, bogus call....but it was a rule.
4) Jealousy.....


Nice going throwing it back at me - instead of answering the ones I posted for you....you are so transparent, Trav....lol

[YoungJRNY]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lk-wWUQKBg

[YoungJRNY]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vURI_Cz-p6s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdK5z4xK7Rk&feature=related

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Nice going throwing it back at me - instead of answering the ones I posted for you....you are so transparent, Trav....lol

I'll play your silly little game, I'm bored.

1. This was in the endzone. It's CLEAR that the Seahawks offensive player extends his arm and seperates himself from Chris Hope. Hope's body flings back. Hines jousting with the Seahawks defender came within 5 yards of the play. Jousting for position is allowed, especially against a corner playing physical and playing press (you clearly see the Seahawks defender go to jam him. Hines beat the jam. Yes, ref's let players play sometimes, believe it or not. Plus, this wasn't in the endzone. The refs will call a pushoff in the endzone 10/10 times.)
2. That angle was when Holmes's clearly had possession of the ball and when he was falling to the ground AFTER he got his two feet down and then followed through, maintaining possession.
3. The tip of the ball broke the plain, which is all that's needed.

That was easy.

[S2M]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vURI_Cz-p6s

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Nice going throwing it back at me - instead of answering the ones I posted for you....you are so transparent, Trav....lol

I'll play your silly little game, I'm bored.

1. This was in the endzone. It's CLEAR that the Seahawks offensive player extends his arm and seperates himself from Chris Hope. Hope's body flings back. Hines jousting with the Seahawks defender came within 5 yards of the play. Jousting for position is allowed, especially against a corner playing physical and playing press (you clearly see the Seahawks defender go to jam him. Hines beat the jam. Yes, ref's let players play sometimes, believe it or not. Plus, this wasn't in the endzone. The refs will call a pushoff in the endzone 10/10 times.)
2. That angle was when Holmes's clearly had possession of the ball and when he was falling to the ground AFTER he got his two feet down and then followed through, maintaining possession.
3. The tip of the ball broke the plain, which is all that's needed.

That was easy.

First of all, that was NOT within 5 yards, and second - even IF it was - that's clearly illegal hands to the face.
Second, that was EXACTLY when he got possession....don't be a jerk....you KNOW it.
Third, I don't care about Ben's 1-inch TD dive...it was a TD...that wasn't what I was focusing on...EVERY media NFL person admits to that game being egregiously officiated.

And what about that offsides NON-call that they called holding, thus negating a GREAT throw and catch by Seattle? Hmmm...I see you glossed over that.

[YoungJRNY]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vURI_Cz-p6s

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Nice going throwing it back at me - instead of answering the ones I posted for you....you are so transparent, Trav....lol

I'll play your silly little game, I'm bored.

1. This was in the endzone. It's CLEAR that the Seahawks offensive player extends his arm and seperates himself from Chris Hope. Hope's body flings back. Hines jousting with the Seahawks defender came within 5 yards of the play. Jousting for position is allowed, especially against a corner playing physical and playing press (you clearly see the Seahawks defender go to jam him. Hines beat the jam. Yes, ref's let players play sometimes, believe it or not. Plus, this wasn't in the endzone. The refs will call a pushoff in the endzone 10/10 times.)
2. That angle was when Holmes's clearly had possession of the ball and when he was falling to the ground AFTER he got his two feet down and then followed through, maintaining possession.
3. The tip of the ball broke the plain, which is all that's needed.

That was easy.

Second, that was EXACTLY when he got possession....don't be a jerk....you KNOW it.

Only thing I know is that it was a touchdown and one of the greatest catch's in Super Bowl history. Another thing I do know is that the Steelers 6 Super Bowl trophies aren't going anywhere but the Patriots 3 came under playing the game under the TEAM committing illegal action against NFL rules, not the human element and judgment call of the game (something that's been happening since the existence of professional sports.) S2M, A+ whiner.

[S2M]

That right foot never touched paint....never.

Lastly, that isn't really - really cheating, is it? Taping a little bit closer. I mean taping, in itself isn't illegal. I mean - no more illegal than using a lost opposing team's playbook, or debriefing a player who played for your opponent - but is now with YOUR team....

Keep ignoring that offsides/holding play, Trav....you know the officials handed you that SB....

[YoungJRNY]

That right foot never touched paint....never.

Lastly, that isn't really - really cheating, is it? Taping a little bit closer. I mean taping, in itself isn't illegal. I mean - no more illegal than using a lost opposing team's playbook, or debriefing a player who played for your opponent - but is now with YOUR team....

Keep ignoring that offsides/holding play, Trav....you know the officials handed you that SB....

Lmao, you have me howling. Okay, I'm going to take your advice and keep "ignoring" calls in a Superbowl that happened 6 years ago. I'll also admire the NFL's leading 6 Lombardi trophies that resides in Pittsburgh. I will now focus on 2011 and stopping feeding the troll. I'm more interested in the present because quite frankly, this horse has been beaten. So, lets focus on 2011. Steelers 25 Patriots 17

[Seven Wishes2]

The Pats got caught with their hands in the cookie jar. Everybody else in the NFL was doing it, too. Doesn't make it OK, but the it's kind of like a bunch of nympho whores berating their best friend for letting some drunk guy eat her out in the parking lot behind the bar.

And it looks like the Jets are up to it again:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/10/11/photo-of-jets-employee-with-sideline-camera-creates-stir/

From SI: lipreading is a feverish topic in the NFL these days. Coaches are covering their mouths when they send in plays because they're suspicious that thieves are watching. The coaches look like they had onions for lunch or just graduated from the Istanbul Spy Institute. "We hear rumors all the time about opposing coaches hiring guys to read our lips," says Cardinals offensive coordinator Rich Olson.

It's no rumor, pal. "Our guy keeps a pair of binoculars on their signal-callers every game," says Broncos coach Mike Shanahan. "With any luck, we have their defensive signals figured out by halftime. Sometimes, by the end of the first quarter."

"Any use by any club at any time, from the start to the finish of any game in which such club is a participant, of any communications or information-gathering equipment, other than Polaroid-type cameras or field telephones, shall be prohibited, including without limitation videotape machines, telephone tapping, or bugging devices, or any other form of electronic devices that might aid a team during the playing of a game."


There was an emphasis on in-game use of tape. Since the Patriots never used them during the game, he felt it was fine. Also note that the above implies you are free to tape a game you are not involved in.

The NFL wanted to make an example of the Pats because they would have never heard the end of it if they hadn't. Fact is, EVERY SINGLE TEAM IN THE NFL DID IT AND MOST STILL DO. They're just smart enough to not get caught (except in the case of the Jets, who have gotten nabbed twice in the past three years).

[S2M]

That right foot never touched paint....never.

Lastly, that isn't really - really cheating, is it? Taping a little bit closer. I mean taping, in itself isn't illegal. I mean - no more illegal than using a lost opposing team's playbook, or debriefing a player who played for your opponent - but is now with YOUR team....

Keep ignoring that offsides/holding play, Trav....you know the officials handed you that SB....

Lmao, you have me howling. Okay, I'm going to take your advice and keep "ignoring" calls in a Superbowl that happened 6 years ago. I'll also admire the NFL's leading 6 Lombardi trophies that resides in Pittsburgh. I will now focus on 2011 and stopping feeding the troll. I'm more interested in the present because quite frankly, this horse has been beaten. So, lets focus on 2011. Steelers 25 Patriots 17

You not addressing that call is like not taking the witness stand because you are guilty....That's ok, keep glossing. Keep making excuses. And I bet Polamalu didn't punch that ball into the endzone either....

[YoungJRNY]

Fact is, EVERY SINGLE TEAM IN THE NFL DID IT AND MOST STILL DO.

Well, in S2M' case, EVERY SINGLE TEAM IN THE NFL holds, push's, slams and snags within the field of play. EVERY SINGLE OFFICIATING crew misses calls and makes judgment calls whether to throw a flag at a specific time, or not to throw one at a specific time, yes, even against the New England Patriots

[YoungJRNY]

And I bet Polamalu didn't punch that ball into the endzone either....

He didn't. A Patriot CLEARLY threw him into the ball and a Patriots lineman CLEARLY kicks the ball backwards with his heal. Lmao. Too funny.

[S2M]

And I bet Polamalu didn't punch that ball into the endzone either....

He didn't. A Patriot CLEARLY threw him into the ball and a Patriots lineman CLEARLY kicks the ball backwards with his heal. Lmao. Too funny.

Ever the Pittsburgh lemming, Trav....look and learn.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFxxhjQZQMk

Matt Light never even came close to touching that ball....

[Seven Wishes2]

Fact is, EVERY SINGLE TEAM IN THE NFL DID IT AND MOST STILL DO.

Well, in S2M' case, EVERY SINGLE TEAM IN THE NFL holds, push's, slams and snags within the field of play. EVERY SINGLE OFFICIATING crew misses calls and makes judgment calls whether to throw a flag at a specific time, or not to throw one at a specific time, yes, even against the New England Patriots

I've seen games where the Pats got some pretty huge breaks. Some were legitimate, albeit flawed rules (i.e. The Tuck vs. the Raiders - the refs got the call right within the confines of the rule, but the rule itself was stupid).

On the other hand, the only reason Peyton Manning has his precious SB ring is because the refs literally handed the Colts the AFC Championship that season. The Super Bowl a few years back was pretty tightly run, but there were 3 holds on Elijah's 3rd-and-17 miracle-glue pass that would have been called 9 times out of 10.

The Pats bad luck tends to rear its head in the post-season.

[YoungJRNY]

And I bet Polamalu didn't punch that ball into the endzone either....

He didn't. A Patriot CLEARLY threw him into the ball and a Patriots lineman CLEARLY kicks the ball backwards with his heal. Lmao. Too funny.

Ever the Pittsburgh lemming, Trav....look and learn.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFxxhjQZQMk

Matt Light never even came close to touching that ball....

No way! Invest in some bifocals S2Whine. Polamalu CLEARY, and I mean, CLEARLY gets pushed into the ball and the ball bounces off of a Patriots lineman.

[Seven Wishes2]

Doesn't matter. The game was over at that juncture. Two things stick out - one, the Pats had NO BUSINESS even being within 3 touchdowns at that point. Secondly, if I was Pittsburgh, I'd be worried I only won a game my team dominated from start to finish by one score.

[YoungJRNY]

Fact is, EVERY SINGLE TEAM IN THE NFL DID IT AND MOST STILL DO.

Well, in S2M' case, EVERY SINGLE TEAM IN THE NFL holds, push's, slams and snags within the field of play. EVERY SINGLE OFFICIATING crew misses calls and makes judgment calls whether to throw a flag at a specific time, or not to throw one at a specific time, yes, even against the New England Patriots

I've seen games where the Pats got some pretty huge breaks. Some were legitimate, albeit flawed rules (i.e. The Tuck vs. the Raiders - the refs got the call right within the confines of the rule, but the rule itself was stupid).

On the other hand, the only reason Peyton Manning has his precious SB ring is because the refs literally handed the Colts the AFC Championship that season. The Super Bowl a few years back was pretty tightly run, but there were 3 holds on Elijah's 3rd-and-17 miracle-glue pass that would have been called 9 times out of 10.

The Pats bad luck tends to rear its head in the post-season.

I get it.

The refs handed the Packers a Super Bowl in 1996.
The refs handed the Colts the AFC Championship game in 2006.
The refs handed the Giants the Super Bowl in 2007.
The refs handed the Ravens a playoff game in 2009.
And the refs handed the Jets a playoff game in 2010.

Never because Brady and the Patriots blew a 18 point lead in 2006 or Brady throwing an interception on the last drive or Desmond Howard running the ball back against the Pats in their Superbowl in '96 or the Patriots failing to cover a wide open Plaxico Burress in the endzone in Super Bowl XLII. The Patriots always get screwed and always win fair and square and every other 31 NFL teams get handed games. Thanks for making it clear, Patriots fans.

[YoungJRNY]

Doesn't matter. The game was over at that juncture. Two things stick out - one, the Pats had NO BUSINESS even being within 3 touchdowns at that point. Secondly, if I was Pittsburgh, I'd be worried I only won a game my team dominated from start to finish by one score.

Yes, I'm worried my team got a W against an elite team in the AFC I'd also be worried if my defense was giving up 400+ yards a football game and stayed on the field for 40/60 minutes and when the head coach gets rid of his best defensive players on an already pathetic defensive football team.

[S2M]

The refs handed the Packers a Super Bowl in 1996. - Nope...Desmond Howard was rented for that game. Legitimate win, I guess....
The refs handed the Colts the AFC Championship game in 2006. - Faulk made that 4th and 2...all day.
The refs handed the Giants the Super Bowl in 2007. - HOLDING...HOLDING...HOLDING
The refs handed the Ravens a playoff game in 2009. - No Welker...probably would have lost anyway.
And the refs handed the Jets a playoff game in 2010. - Nah, legitimate loss....

BTW, NE's best defensive player is Wilfork, then Mayo(who was out that game)

[Enigma869]

And it looks like the Jets are up to it again:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/10/11/photo-of-jets-employee-with-sideline-camera-creates-stir/

From SI: lipreading is a feverish topic in the NFL these days. Coaches are covering their mouths when they send in plays because they're suspicious that thieves are watching. The coaches look like they had onions for lunch or just graduated from the Istanbul Spy Institute. "We hear rumors all the time about opposing coaches hiring guys to read our lips," says Cardinals offensive coordinator Rich Olson.

It's no rumor, pal. "Our guy keeps a pair of binoculars on their signal-callers every game," says Broncos coach Mike Shanahan. "With any luck, we have their defensive signals figured out by halftime. Sometimes, by the end of the first quarter."

"Any use by any club at any time, from the start to the finish of any game in which such club is a participant, of any communications or information-gathering equipment, other than Polaroid-type cameras or field telephones, shall be prohibited, including without limitation videotape machines, telephone tapping, or bugging devices, or any other form of electronic devices that might aid a team during the playing of a game."


There was an emphasis on in-game use of tape. Since the Patriots never used them during the game, he felt it was fine. Also note that the above implies you are free to tape a game you are not involved in.

The NFL wanted to make an example of the Pats because they would have never heard the end of it if they hadn't. Fact is, EVERY SINGLE TEAM IN THE NFL DID IT AND MOST STILL DO. They're just smart enough to not get caught (except in the case of the Jets, who have gotten nabbed twice in the past three years).

This is a complete non-story just like the whining Pittsburgh douche fans crying over the Patriots recording anything. Again, my high school coaches used to record the other team. This is not news. Every team in the NFL does shit like this and if you've ever played football, you know this. Hell, I'm pretty sure biting people is illegal, but if you've ever been at the bottom of a pile in a football game, a whole lot of illegal shit goes down there. Guys in the NFL do anything they can get away with. Troy Polamalu punched a ball out of the end zone in Sunday's game, which is a blatant rule violation. The play wasn't called, so he got away with it. Good for him!

[conversationpc]

The refs handed the Packers a Super Bowl in 1996. - Nope...Desmond Howard was rented for that game. Legitimate win, I guess....
The refs handed the Colts the AFC Championship game in 2006. - Faulk made that 4th and 2...all day.
The refs handed the Giants the Super Bowl in 2007. - HOLDING...HOLDING...HOLDING
The refs handed the Ravens a playoff game in 2009. - No Welker...probably would have lost anyway.
And the refs handed the Jets a playoff game in 2010. - Nah, legitimate loss....

BTW, NE's best defensive player is Wilfork, then Mayo(who was out that game)

I thought you were gone?

[YoungJRNY]

And it looks like the Jets are up to it again:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/10/11/photo-of-jets-employee-with-sideline-camera-creates-stir/

From SI: lipreading is a feverish topic in the NFL these days. Coaches are covering their mouths when they send in plays because they're suspicious that thieves are watching. The coaches look like they had onions for lunch or just graduated from the Istanbul Spy Institute. "We hear rumors all the time about opposing coaches hiring guys to read our lips," says Cardinals offensive coordinator Rich Olson.

It's no rumor, pal. "Our guy keeps a pair of binoculars on their signal-callers every game," says Broncos coach Mike Shanahan. "With any luck, we have their defensive signals figured out by halftime. Sometimes, by the end of the first quarter."

"Any use by any club at any time, from the start to the finish of any game in which such club is a participant, of any communications or information-gathering equipment, other than Polaroid-type cameras or field telephones, shall be prohibited, including without limitation videotape machines, telephone tapping, or bugging devices, or any other form of electronic devices that might aid a team during the playing of a game."


There was an emphasis on in-game use of tape. Since the Patriots never used them during the game, he felt it was fine. Also note that the above implies you are free to tape a game you are not involved in.

The NFL wanted to make an example of the Pats because they would have never heard the end of it if they hadn't. Fact is, EVERY SINGLE TEAM IN THE NFL DID IT AND MOST STILL DO. They're just smart enough to not get caught (except in the case of the Jets, who have gotten nabbed twice in the past three years).

This is a complete non-story just like the whining Pittsburgh douche fans crying over the Patriots recording anything. Again, my high school coaches used to record the other team. This is not news. Every team in the NFL does shit like this and if you've ever played football, you know this. Hell, I'm pretty sure biting people is illegal, but if you've ever been at the bottom of a pile in a football game, a whole lot of illegal shit goes down there. Guys in the NFL do anything they can get away with. Troy Polamalu punched a ball out of the end zone in Sunday's game, which is a blatant rule violation. The play wasn't called, so he got away with it. Good for him!

Non-story. I could just hear S2M now if Indianapolis or Pittsburgh got caught doing this. He talks in his own cryptic lingo as it is about refs and judgment calls, just imagine a team committing a rule violation against the entire league in Super Bowl runs. That would be sickening to give S2M those keys. It was such a non-story that Goodell couldn't move fast enough to burn every single tape before anybody else could get ahold of them Once a cheater, always a cheater!

Again, my high school coaches used to record the other team.

Yeah, it's called game-film. High school coach's and even the pro level swap game film all the time for coaching strategies. That's a whole different beast than what Bellicheat did. He took it to a whole new level. Of course some teams try to get an edge (read lips, cover mouth's calling plays, etc) but to point your camera's on the sidelines when it's a blatant rule violation is something to the extreme against the rule. And for that, N.E will always be connected to spygate & they sure got fined & deducted draft picks like it was a big deal. The excuse and coverup of Cheat fans like you is that every team does it, so why was it such a big deal and why did teams react the way they reacted when the story broke out? Some teams still do it maybe to an extent and certainly not to the extreme of Bellicheat, but not all of them.

[Seven Wishes2]

I get it.

The refs handed the Packers a Super Bowl in 1996.
The refs handed the Colts the AFC Championship game in 2006.
The refs handed the Giants the Super Bowl in 2007.
The refs handed the Ravens a playoff game in 2009.
And the refs handed the Jets a playoff game in 2010.

Never because Brady and the Patriots blew a 18 point lead in 2006 or Brady throwing an interception on the last drive or Desmond Howard running the ball back against the Pats in their Superbowl in '96 or the Patriots failing to cover a wide open Plaxico Burress in the endzone in Super Bowl XLII. The Patriots always get screwed and always win fair and square and every other 31 NFL teams get handed games. Thanks for making it clear, Patriots fans.

Never said that. The Packers, Ravens, and Jets won fair and square. The Colts had the AFC title gift-wrapped, and the 3 Giants were holding on Little Elijah's miracle pass in 2007. The fact remains, the Pats should never have been in a position where the Giants had a chance to win at the end, so they have no-one but themselves to blame in the end.

The only outright robbery was the AFC Championship in 2006. Troy Brown got mugged in the end zone on a 3rd down from the 42. Should have been first and goal, and a TD. Samuel didn't TOUCH Reggie Wayne (the replays prove that), and that was on a 3rd down, too - from the 40. The Colts would have been forced to punt. That's a 14 point swing right there - never mind the bogus late hit called for Peyton that gave the Colts a bogus first down when it should have been 4th.

[YoungJRNY]

I get it.

The refs handed the Packers a Super Bowl in 1996.
The refs handed the Colts the AFC Championship game in 2006.
The refs handed the Giants the Super Bowl in 2007.
The refs handed the Ravens a playoff game in 2009.
And the refs handed the Jets a playoff game in 2010.

Never because Brady and the Patriots blew a 18 point lead in 2006 or Brady throwing an interception on the last drive or Desmond Howard running the ball back against the Pats in their Superbowl in '96 or the Patriots failing to cover a wide open Plaxico Burress in the endzone in Super Bowl XLII. The Patriots always get screwed and always win fair and square and every other 31 NFL teams get handed games. Thanks for making it clear, Patriots fans.

Never said that. The Packers, Ravens, and Jets won fair and square. The Colts had the AFC title gift-wrapped, and the 3 Giants were holding on Little Elijah's miracle pass in 2007. The fact remains, the Pats should never have been in a position where the Giants had a chance to win at the end, so they have no-one but themselves to blame in the end.

The only outright robbery was the AFC Championship in 2006. Troy Brown got mugged in the end zone on a 3rd down from the 42. Should have been first and goal, and a TD. Samuel didn't TOUCH Reggie Wayne (the replays prove that), and that was on a 3rd down, too - from the 40. The Colts would have been forced to punt. That's a 14 point swing right there - never mind the bogus late hit called for Peyton that gave the Colts a bogus first down when it should have been 4th.

Only if Caldwell catch's that T.D pass. New England had many gags that game. I'm just sick and tired of this ref garbage that spews every week. Good teams overcome penalties and and focus on rebounding against those calls that went against them. It's the nature of the game. Replay and the rule changes are already taking over the game of football, sometimes in negative ways (Gruden and Jaws were livid this past Monday Night. Most refs called rules by the book that didn't deserve to be called. It's good to let players play for fucks sake.) Sometimes, whether the refs are right or not, it's good to still have that human element towards the game of football.

[Seven Wishes2]

Stonefingers Caldwell actually dropped TWO touchdowns that game. If it had been called right, they would have won by double digits; if he hadn't been doing his Dale Berra imitation, it would have been a slaughter.

The dilemma with the rules with respect to the late hits is that these SOB's are getting bigger, faster, and stronger every year. I'm surprised there hasn't been a death on the field in many, many years.