Religion & Morality

[verslibre]

And the underoos.

I TOTALLY had a set of those in the 4th grade! Used to accessorize with a red bath towel safety-pinned in place to make the cape.

My homemade Batman costume owned your Supes outfit.

And Bats is a FAR more realistic superhero.

Batman is NOT a super-hero. Just a millionaire able to afford top of the line gadget's who trained at the peak of every form of karate. Being a detective isn't a form of a super-hero since that doesn't qualify as a superpower. What does Batman do in the day time anyhow? If there truly was a time where a team needed to be created to end an Apocalypse in the Multiverse, Batman would be the last to be picked and used to stay back manning the Bat-walkie talkies!

Another one of you guys! QFT! By your logic, Iron Man and Hawkeye aren't superheroes, either. In fact, Tony Stark would get his ass handed to him by the paperboy without his armor. And you're complaining about Bruce Wayne?! At least he can fight!

A superhero isn't defined by flight or beams that shoot out of his or her eyes or palms.

[majik]

Of course! Looking at it logically, though, Superman is a fictional character written by mortal men, like me and you! A character developed to play to our emotions of humanity and our illusion of fantasy of what it might be if there was a higher power of a different being protecting and looking over upon us! Sound familiar? I have 70 some years of proving how Superman exists! I even have pictures to prove it!

Absolutely! And if I had to pick between worshiping the two fictional (or at least, fictionalized) characters, I'd seriously have to go with Supes over Jesus for sheer coolness.

You like that hot red underwear, don'tcha?

Na, he thinks it makes him cool.

[YoungJRNY]

And the underoos.

I TOTALLY had a set of those in the 4th grade! Used to accessorize with a red bath towel safety-pinned in place to make the cape.

My homemade Batman costume owned your Supes outfit.

And Bats is a FAR more realistic superhero.

Batman is NOT a super-hero. Just a millionaire able to afford top of the line gadget's who trained at the peak of every form of karate. Being a detective isn't a form of a super-hero since that doesn't qualify as a superpower. What does Batman do in the day time anyhow? If there truly was a time where a team needed to be created to end an Apocalypse in the Multiverse, Batman would be the last to be picked and used to stay back manning the Bat-walkie talkies!

Another one of you guys! QFT! By your logic, Iron Man and Hawkeye aren't superheroes, either. In fact, Tony Stark would get his ass handed to him by the paperboy without his armor. And you're complaining about Bruce Wayne?! At least he can fight!

A superhero isn't defined by flight or beams that shoot out of his or her eyes or palms.

I still don't know Batman's super power. Can you tell me? Superman, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern, Aqua Man, Batman. Who's the missing link? Batman is Bruce Wayne in disguise. Clark Kent is Superman in disguise, as is Diana Prince is Wonder Woman in disguise and so-on. Batman is just a billionaire dressed up as a Bat who jumps from roof-top to roof-top fighting crooked-crime. Superman sun-dips and flys at super sonic speed. Plus, how can you take a "super-hero" seriously when you need a little boy as your sidekick?

[verslibre]

And the underoos.

I TOTALLY had a set of those in the 4th grade! Used to accessorize with a red bath towel safety-pinned in place to make the cape.

My homemade Batman costume owned your Supes outfit.

And Bats is a FAR more realistic superhero.

Batman is NOT a super-hero. Just a millionaire able to afford top of the line gadget's who trained at the peak of every form of karate. Being a detective isn't a form of a super-hero since that doesn't qualify as a superpower. What does Batman do in the day time anyhow? If there truly was a time where a team needed to be created to end an Apocalypse in the Multiverse, Batman would be the last to be picked and used to stay back manning the Bat-walkie talkies!

Another one of you guys! QFT! By your logic, Iron Man and Hawkeye aren't superheroes, either. In fact, Tony Stark would get his ass handed to him by the paperboy without his armor. And you're complaining about Bruce Wayne?! At least he can fight!

A superhero isn't defined by flight or beams that shoot out of his or her eyes or palms.

I still don't know Batman's super power. Can you tell me? Superman, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern, Aqua Man, Batman. Who's the missing link? Batman is Bruce Wayne in disguise. Clark Kent is Superman in disguise, as is Diana Prince is Wonder Woman in disguise and so-on. Batman is just a billionaire dressed up as a Bat who jumps from roof-top to roof-top fighting crooked-crime. Superman sun-dips and flys at super sonic speed. Plus, how can you take a "super-hero" seriously when you need a little boy as your sidekick?

I love how you totally sidestepped the Tony Stark hot potato!!

Yeah, he only took on an orphaned kid and made him a badass. He should've found himself a dog, like Krypto. Nightwing > Robin, either way.

You're just overcome with sadness because Batman can happen tomorrow, and Superman never will. Jesus — yes, Jesus — will appear before Superman does! LOL!! Humans on a distant planet that turn into gods under our sun...that so reeks "1930s"!

[majik]

And the underoos.

I TOTALLY had a set of those in the 4th grade! Used to accessorize with a red bath towel safety-pinned in place to make the cape.

My homemade Batman costume owned your Supes outfit.

And Bats is a FAR more realistic superhero.

Batman is NOT a super-hero. Just a millionaire able to afford top of the line gadget's who trained at the peak of every form of karate. Being a detective isn't a form of a super-hero since that doesn't qualify as a superpower. What does Batman do in the day time anyhow? If there truly was a time where a team needed to be created to end an Apocalypse in the Multiverse, Batman would be the last to be picked and used to stay back manning the Bat-walkie talkies!

Another one of you guys! QFT! By your logic, Iron Man and Hawkeye aren't superheroes, either. In fact, Tony Stark would get his ass handed to him by the paperboy without his armor. And you're complaining about Bruce Wayne?! At least he can fight!

A superhero isn't defined by flight or beams that shoot out of his or her eyes or palms.

I still don't know Batman's super power. Can you tell me? Superman, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern, Aqua Man, Batman. Who's the missing link? Batman is Bruce Wayne in disguise. Clark Kent is Superman in disguise, as is Diana Prince is Wonder Woman in disguise and so-on. Batman is just a billionaire dressed up as a Bat who jumps from roof-top to roof-top fighting crooked-crime. Superman sun-dips and flys at super sonic speed. Plus, how can you take a "super-hero" seriously when you need a little boy as your sidekick?

And Atman/Brahman or if you prefer God is in disguise as Everything, hidden in full view. He has more money and power than Bruce Wayne.

[YoungJRNY]

I love how you totally sidestepped the Tony Stark hot potato!!

We aren't even talking about Tony Stark. You pulled him into the conversation for your own special purpose to validate your argument on how Batman is a superhero. Marvel is more validated from a string of mortal's anyhow. Atleast Tony Stark built a suite that fills the illusion of actually being a superhero with hand-like fireballs and a jet engined power-suite capable of hovering into the air to actually keep up with actual events needed in the sky if need be that goes well beyond the level of juto-chops and leg sidekicks, P90X style. On the other hand, Tony Stark is AUTOMATICALLY cooler from the sheer fact he has a battery energized heart! Batman loses again.

Yeah, he only took on an orphaned kid and made him a badass. He should've found himself a dog, like Krypto. Nightwing > Robin, either way.

Exactly. He took an orphaned kid and taught him skills that only take you so far. It works in the streets of Gotham but anything outside of that element and outside of "instilling fear at night" is severely out of their comfort level. Batman and Robin will be swinging from street corner to street corner while Superman will travel in different galaxies to battle the Anti-Monitor and potentially saving Earth's time-line in the process. Besides, how badass would it be to own a K-9 from a different planet? Another point for Supes!

You're just overcome with sadness because Batman can happen tomorrow, and Superman never will. Jesus — yes, Jesus — will appear before Superman does! LOL!! Humans on a distant planet that turn into gods under our sun...that so reeks "1930s"!

I can hardly wait to see a grown man dressed up as a giant Bat run from lamp-post to lamp-post in the problematic city of Pittsburgh! And Superman isn't a human from a distant planet! He's Kryptonian! Get it right, haha.

[G.I.Jim]

Holy SHIT you guys are some comic book nerds! I love superhero movie, but DAMN guys... do you dress up and go to conventions??? Back to religion, Superman was based roughly off of Jesus Christ. If this has already been discussed, I apologize, but I couldn't wade through the superhero fandom here.

[YoungJRNY]

Holy SHIT you guys are some comic book nerds! I love superhero movie, but DAMN guys... do you dress up and go to conventions??? Back to religion, Superman was based roughly off of Jesus Christ. If this has already been discussed, I apologize, but I couldn't wade through the superhero fandom here.

I'm a sports craving nut who loves competition and pushing my body to limits. Doesn't mean you can't be a nerd in between. I'm also studying to be an I.T Computer geek! Best of all worlds.

Superman wasn't created to be Jesus Christ whatsoever. His own creators were Jews. As a matter of fact, Superman was the first Batman. Just a man with the ability to leap and that can run fast whose skin was a tad bit tougher than normal man. He sat on rooftops and claimed justice off Metropolis's streets, swooping down on street burglars and using fear as a threat.

So, Batman fans, thank Superman for your favorite hero's creation! It actually wasn't until the "Silver-Age" in the wacky world of comic books to where Superman writers started making parallel's to Jesus Christ, giving him INSANE powers, but his original origin wasn't nowhere close to what is is today in 1938.

[G.I.Jim]

Holy SHIT you guys are some comic book nerds! I love superhero movie, but DAMN guys... do you dress up and go to conventions??? Back to religion, Superman was based roughly off of Jesus Christ. If this has already been discussed, I apologize, but I couldn't wade through the superhero fandom here.

Actually, Superman wasn't created to be Jesus Christ whatsoever. His own creators were Jews. As a matter of fact, Superman was the first Batman. Just a man with the ability to leap and that can run fast whose skin was a tad bit tougher than normal man. He sat on rooftops and claimed justice off Metropolis's streets, swooping down on street burglars and using fear as a threat.

So, Batman fans, thank Superman for your favorite hero's creation! It actually wasn't until the "Silver-Age" in the wacky world of comic books to where Superman writers started making parallel's to Jesus but his origin wasn't nowhere close to it in 1938.

Okay buddy, so I don't know the whole freaking life of Superman. I have READ that he was based around the life of Christ. Fit it into whatever damn timeline you want to (I'm assuming 80's), but most people know him as this interpretation of the hero.

[verslibre]

I love how you totally sidestepped the Tony Stark hot potato!!

We aren't even talking about Tony Stark. You pulled him into the conversation for your own special purpose to validate your argument on how Batman is a superhero.

Of course it's acceptable. I have a friend who says the same crapola. Yet every time I throw the "Tony/Clint/Oliver" (etc.) part of the equation at him, he shuts up cold!

Marvel is more validated from a string of mortal's anyhow.

Huh? What? English, please.

At least Tony Stark built a suite that fills the illusion of actually being a superhero with hand-like fireballs and a jet engined power-suite capable of hovering into the air

See, you have a hard-on for the illusion of superheroics. Boom-flashy-flashy and shit like that.

On the other hand, Tony Stark is AUTOMATICALLY cooler from the sheer fact he has a battery energized heart!

Uh, no, that is technically a weakness. He can die if he doesn't keep it "current" — pun intended!

Exactly. He took an orphaned kid and taught him skills that only take you so far. It works in the streets of Gotham but anything outside of that element and outside of "instilling fear at night" is severely out of their comfort level. Batman and Robin will be swinging from street corner to street corner while Superman will travel in different galaxies to battle the Anti-Monitor and potentially saving Earth's time-line in the process. Besides, how badass would it be to own a K-9 from a different planet? Another point for Supes!

"Kal-el is the sole survivor of Krypton." Uh, no, wait. No, he isn't. Here's Supergirl. Hey, how about a cousin? Mon-el! He's related, see the "-el" suffix? Haha! Hey, throw a dog in there! They had CANINES on that distant alien planet!!

Lame-o! :thumb down:

You're just overcome with sadness because Batman can happen tomorrow, and Superman never will. Jesus — yes, Jesus — will appear before Superman does! LOL!! Humans on a distant planet that turn into gods under our sun...that so reeks "1930s"!

I can hardly wait to see a grown man dressed up as a giant Bat run from lamp-post to lamp-post in the problematic city of Pittsburgh!

Yeah, you prefer that hot red color around "that" area. I see...

And Superman isn't a human from a distant planet! He's Kryptonian! Get it right, haha.

I didn't say Earthlings. I said human. Kryptonians are humans — or humanoids. They look just like Earthlings (Terrans). And under their sun, you can kick 'em in the balls just like you can here.

That's another thing: Supes is immeasurably powerful, but his weaknesses are also greater. He's gonna be blowin' Bats after he pulls him out of the range of Luthor's kryptonite death ray! Bwahahahahaha!!

[verslibre]

Holy SHIT you guys are some comic book nerds! I love superhero movie, but DAMN guys... do you dress up and go to conventions???

YoungJRNY's a cosplayer!

Back to religion, Superman was based roughly off of Jesus Christ. If this has already been discussed, I apologize, but I couldn't wade through the superhero fandom here.

I brought that up before, too. The character was indeed retconned to personify a godlike being. Whatshisname Wiki's everything and won't believe me, though.

So, Batman fans, thank Superman for your favorite hero's creation!

Yeah, I don't think so. Batman wasn't modelled after Dick Tracy in a pair of ladies' swim wear.

Dude, you didn't even know "Kal-L" was a retcon!

[YoungJRNY]

Of course it's acceptable. I have a friend who says the same crapola. Yet every time I throw the "Tony/Clint/Oliver" (etc.) part of the equation at him, he shuts up cold!

Still has nothing to do with Batman not being a super hero! Irrelevant. We're talking straight Batman in the DC Universe, not Marvel.

Huh? What? English, please.

DC is mostly built around the ability of hero's who are Gods. Marvel's God's are nothing but cheap knockoffs and a compliment of DC characters. Marvel has a more human element going for their readers to fetch on, so if anything, Batman would fit more into the Marvel mold than he would DC as an overall concept.

See, you have a hard-on for the illusion of superheroics. Boom-flashy-flashy and shit like that.

Well, yeah. That's the entire point of being a kid and picking a comic book off the shelves. If Batman is any indication, just walk outside. Super Heros were created for the element of being boom-flashy-flashy and shit like that.

Uh, no, that is technically a weakness. He can die if he doesn't keep it "current" — pun intended!

Not my point. The point is, is that Stark is actually faced with a cool dilemma and story of having a need for a battery to keep his heart beating for a chance at life. A 'real' dilema. Batman's parents died. Yawn.

"Kal-el is the sole survivor of Krypton." Uh, no, wait. No, he isn't. Here's Supergirl. Hey, how about a cousin? Mon-el! He's related, see the "-el" suffix? Haha! Hey, throw a dog in there! They had CANINES on that distant alien planet!!

Lame-o! :thumb down:

I don't even pay attention to that aspect of the Superman family. Atleast there's effort in creating new developments in the Superman mytho than have the same featured characters over and over and over. "Hey, there goes the giant-Bat chasing that Clown again!" Lame.

Yeah, you prefer that hot red color around "that" area. I see...

I didn't say Earthlings. I said human. Kryptonians are humans — or humanoids. They look just like Earthlings (Terrans). And under their sun, you can kick 'em in the balls just like you can here.

Krypton is a deceased planet, so that all goes out the window. Good luck finding a "Red Sun" to kick Superman in the balls to hurt him on Earth. Of course, you don't need to do such a thing for Batman. Kicking him in the nuts= no "Red Sun" needed! Point Supes.

That's another thing: Supes is immeasurably powerful, but his weaknesses are also greater. He's gonna be blowin' Bats after he pulls him out of the range of Luthor's kryptonite death ray! Bwahahahahaha!!

Superman has already been battered and bruised under the influence of his weakness's. Too bad givin' a lifetime of Yellow-Sun radiation, it would take a monumental amount of Kryptonite from puny-human Lex Luthor or Batman to actually hurt Superman to begin with. A hurt Clark Kent is still 1 million times powerful than Bruce Wayne. No contest.

Back to religion, Superman was based roughly off of Jesus Christ. If this has already been discussed, I apologize, but I couldn't wade through the superhero fandom here.

Now? Of course but Superman's origin of creation was that of a vigilante than anything else. The "God-like" powers like moving planets came as the character evolved over time.

Yeah, I don't think so. Batman wasn't modeled after Dick Tracy in a pair of ladies' swim wear.

Bat-MAN. Super-MAN. Fights for Truth, Justice, and the American Way. Superman was def the first Batman!

Dude, you didn't even know "Kal-L" was a retcon!

Uh, yeah I did, haha. Just pointed out the entire point of the retcon. Anyway, back to religion. Turning my nerd off in this thread since we hi-jacked it. Nice goin', RIP! And the funny thing is I like Batman. Always fun to see Bat-fans get their panties (no pun intended) in a wad when you call him out for not being a superhero. Works everytime.

[verslibre]

[GEEK ON]

Still has nothing to do with Batman not being a super hero!

So you're right and umpteen thousands of Batfans are wrong? Guess again, buddy. There are always going to be more Bat-titles and Bat-stories. DC had to tap John Byrne to reboot Supes in The Man Of Steel because that was one old tire that had run out of tread. Batman will never have that problem. Tweaking him only makes him better and more interesting.

Huh? What? English, please.

DC is mostly built around the ability of hero's who are Gods. Marvel's God's are nothing but cheap knockoffs and a compliment of DC characters. Marvel has a more human element going for their readers to fetch on, so if anything, Batman would fit more into the Marvel mold than he would DC as an overall concept.

As a former DC snob who got sick of Marvel's mutant fodder over 20 years ago, I tend not to dump on Marvel because technically they're two decades behind DC in terms of serious output. Everything "Marvel" today that's hot got revving in the '60s, whereas DC was publishing the comics of its primary characters throughout the '40s and '50s.

Trust me, Batman wouldn't fit into the Marvel Universe.

Well, yeah. That's the entire point of being a kid and picking a comic book off the shelves. If Batman is any indication, just walk outside. Super Heros were created for the element of being boom-flashy-flashy and shit like that.

But I brought up the notion of the plausible superhero. Superman is not one.

Uh, no, that is technically a weakness. He can die if he doesn't keep it "current" — pun intended!

Not my point. The point is, is that Stark is actually faced with a cool dilemma and story of having a need for a battery to keep his heart beating for a chance at life. A 'real' dilema. Batman's parents died. Yawn.

Stark's story is simply reflective of the time. He was wounded in Viet Nam (Afghanistan in the comic reboot, which was used for the movie). I think being a child and having your parents murdered in front of you was a traumatic enough origin for the 1930s.

Krypton is a deceased planet, so that all goes out the window.

A flesh-and-blood being is a flesh-and-blood being. That was my point.

Superman has already been battered and bruised under the influence of his weakness's. Too bad givin' a lifetime of Yellow-Sun radiation, it would take a monumental amount of Kryptonite from puny-human Lex Luthor or Batman to actually hurt Superman to begin with. A hurt Clark Kent is still 1 million times powerful than Bruce Wayne. No contest.

Nope. But I've read so many different interpretations of the effects of kryptonite, it's not been nailed down.

John Byrne had Supes open a cannister with kryptonite and point it at a Kryptonian criminal. The guy recoiled in abject terror at just a small rock.

Alan Moore wrote Supes' exposure to kryptonite poisoning as having similar effects to metastasized cancer. That was a very cool story, though I haven't read it since the '80s.

They've shown him get hit with a krypto-laser and it was like a human being hit by a bullet.

In the original Superman with Christopher Reeve, there was the chain with a hunk of kryptonite. He couldn't even get the blasted thing off him without Miss Teschmacher's help.

Then in Superman Returns, he's nearly done in with a kryptonite shank (after not being smart enough to FLY AWAY FROM A GIANT MOUNTAIN OF KRYPTONITE). But that's also the movie that's been shitted out of canon, because, as even Peter David said, Supes would never interrupt his role as supercop for an interstellar vacation. I still can't believe they greenlit that dogshit.

The "God-like" powers like moving planets came as the character evolved over time.

Dude, he was doing that shit in the '40s and '50s. That's nothing recent.

Dude, you didn't even know "Kal-L" was a retcon!

Uh, yeah I did, haha. Just pointed out the entire point of the retcon. Anyway, back to religion. Turning my nerd off in this thread since we hi-jacked it. Nice goin', RIP! And the funny thing is I like Batman. Always fun to see Bat-fans get their panties (no pun intended) in a wad when you call him out for not being a superhero. Works everytime.

Hardly. I'm just showing you that your preference is clearly for the Superman of half a century ago, the guy who juggles moons like shuttlecocks and uses Saturn's rings as hula-hoops. I rest my case in that interesting characters are defined by their limitations and shortcomings, not by being able to fart with enough pressure to reverse the Milky Way's spiral. You know, ridiculous "God"-like stuff like that.

The Dark Knight Rises is gonna kick so much ass!! BANE, baby!!!

[GEEK OFF]

[Duncan]

41 pages of the religious VS atheists at each others throats. Ah, good 'ol religion! Never fails the human race of division!

Yep.

My advice on this is to let people believe what they want to believe. Respect their beliefs, because they are different from yours. If everyone believed the same about everything, nobody would have anything to talk about. We would just sit around nodding our heads.

With regard to the religous, I'll respect their right to believe, but I won't respect their belief.

[Duncan]

41 pages of the religious VS atheists at each others throats. Ah, good 'ol religion! Never fails the human race of division!

Yep.

My advice on this is to let people believe what they want to believe. Respect their beliefs, because they are different from yours. If everyone believed the same about everything, nobody would have anything to talk about. We would just sit around nodding our heads.

Exactly. Other people's beliefs has no effect on what I believe. Are there some whacko's that go overboard? Of course, but as George Carlin says, pray to Joe Pesci for all I care, has nothing to do with me, haha. It's when people of religion threaten me on where I'm going to go when I die like they've witnessed it first hand. Fear isn't the option in my eyes. Other than that, use your freedom of thought as you must!

EXACTLY! This thread reminds me of a dog chasing it's tail.

I believe in God. I'm not ashamed to admit that I believe in God. I pray to God many times each day. I know God exists and I know that he has blessed me in so many ways and helped me through some very rough times. My beliefs do not hurt anyon. Nothing anyone says is going to change my beliefs and I don't expect that anything I say will change theirs. If S2M (or anyone else for that matter) doesn't believe in "the wizard in the sky" so be it. His beliefs don't hurt me and mine don't hurt him. It hardly seems worth anyone's time or energy to continue to debate it.

All depends on what you believe. If you believe the earth is 6000 years old and was created by god and you teach that to your children and want it taught in schools I would argue you are hurting people. Your church probably receives tax exemptions, which means that non believers have to pay more in tax to cover the tax that would otherwise would have been collected. That directly effects other peoples income. You church is probably against gay marriage, abortion & stem cell research. So to say that it doesn't hurt anyone else is probably not true.

[S2M]

Here's a clip that illustrates just how childish this whole 'god' thing is....

http://www.thedailyshow.com/

[Rip Rokken]

I TOTALLY had a set of those in the 4th grade! Used to accessorize with a red bath towel safety-pinned in place to make the cape.

My homemade Batman costume owned your Supes outfit.

Post a pic if you have one, and I'll try to dig up the old photo of me in my homemade Spider-Man costume -- that was the bomb! My mom put a lot of work into it, and I believe I still have it around in her attic somewhere. It's nowhere close to the quality of kids costumes available these days, but we took blue leotards, she sewed on the red material and embroidered the webs by hand. The shoes were basic sneakers painted red with webbing, and the mask was a Spider-Man ski mask that we'd found at a department store. Back then, it was pretty creative, and I won a contest wearing it.

[Rip Rokken]

Here's a clip that illustrates just how childish this whole 'god' thing is....

http://www.thedailyshow.com/

I don't get the impression that you're serious about persuading anyone with your arguments. I agree with many of them, but the constant insults do nothing to forward the conversation. They just offend people and turn them off. So are you really interested in making persuasive arguments, or do you just get off on putting others down?

[conversationpc]

Post a pic if you have one, and I'll try to dig up the old photo of me in my homemade Spider-Man costume -- that was the bomb! My mom put a lot of work into it, and I believe I still have it around in her attic somewhere. It's nowhere close to the quality of kids costumes available these days, but we took blue leotards, she sewed on the red material and embroidered the webs by hand. The shoes were basic sneakers painted red with webbing, and the mask was a Spider-Man ski mask that we'd found at a department store. Back then, it was pretty creative, and I won a contest wearing it.

Post it anyway...I gotta see this.

[conversationpc]

You church is probably against gay marriage, abortion & stem cell research.

Abortion always hurts at least one human being.

[S2M]

Here's a clip that illustrates just how childish this whole 'god' thing is....

http://www.thedailyshow.com/

I don't get the impression that you're serious about persuading anyone with your arguments. I agree with many of them, but the constant insults do nothing to forward the conversation. They just offend people and turn them off. So are you really interested in making persuasive arguments, or do you just get off on putting others down?

Rip, if you don't get it - then I don't know what to tell you. To have everyone at FoxNews up in arms because the President didn't mention 'god' in his Thanksgiving Speech, is rather sad....I wasn't joking, I was serious.

Evidently, 'god' needs shout outs....who knew?


And to do rather extensive research into how many times the last 3 CICs forgot to include 'god' in a speech - is purely overkill, IMHO.


I really don't think you watched the clip. You saw Daily Show in the URL, and made a snap judgment....

[Rip Rokken]

Here's a clip that illustrates just how childish this whole 'god' thing is....

http://www.thedailyshow.com/

I don't get the impression that you're serious about persuading anyone with your arguments. I agree with many of them, but the constant insults do nothing to forward the conversation. They just offend people and turn them off. So are you really interested in making persuasive arguments, or do you just get off on putting others down?

Rip, if you don't get it - then I don't know what to tell you. To have everyone at FoxNews up in arms because the President didn't mention 'god' in his Thanksgiving Speech, is rather sad....I wasn't joking, I was serious.

Evidently, 'god' needs shout outs....who knew?


And to do rather extensive research into how many times the last 3 CICs forgot to include 'god' in a speech - is purely overkill, IMHO.


I really don't think you watched the clip. You saw Daily Show in the URL, and made a snap judgment....

Had nothing to do with the video - those are fine. It's using words like "childish" (above), or "stupid", or insulting people's intelligence. I love these discussions, but no matter how much I disagree with anyone's point of view, there's nobody here I wouldn't love to meet and drink a beer with. Why risk losing potential beer-drinking buddies?

[YoungJRNY]

Hardly. I'm just showing you that your preference is clearly for the Superman of half a century ago, the guy who juggles moons like shuttlecocks and uses Saturn's rings as hula-hoops. I rest my case in that interesting characters are defined by their limitations and shortcomings, not by being able to fart with enough pressure to reverse the Milky Way's spiral. You know, ridiculous "God"-like stuff like that.

That's not my preference at all. I'll be the first to say that the Silver Age was as ridiculous as any other. Being that was Superman at his most popular givin' the direction of the comic book industry in that respected era, it's absolutely ridiculous to read some of the things that was takin' place in the Silver Age and all that God-like power like swallowing Milkyway galaxies like a marshmellow. In fact, since the reboot, Superman has been more humanized than any other Superhero out there. He's been depowered beyond belief and writers over the last few decades actually put substance in his personality and an emotional connection as a human rather than Kryptonian. Bruce is more cold, lifeless and dark than Superman will ever be in his personality. It's simply a boring character that writers can do MORE with givin the history of what fans want tied in continuity. Superman writers have more restrictions than Batman will ever have. Even though Batman is the preference that reflects today's times, Superman is still ultimate.

The Dark Knight Rises is gonna kick so much ass!! BANE, baby!!!
[GEEK OFF]

Yeah it will, which will pave way for Man Of Steel in 2013. Can't wait to see a Superman with ZERO ties to the Donnerverse. Good to see that Superman will have a mean streak and shake the "Big Blue Boyscout" moniker. Just wait until Braniac hits the screen. Going to be wild. Okay, I'm seriously DONE.

[S2M]

Here's a clip that illustrates just how childish this whole 'god' thing is....

http://www.thedailyshow.com/

I don't get the impression that you're serious about persuading anyone with your arguments. I agree with many of them, but the constant insults do nothing to forward the conversation. They just offend people and turn them off. So are you really interested in making persuasive arguments, or do you just get off on putting others down?

Rip, if you don't get it - then I don't know what to tell you. To have everyone at FoxNews up in arms because the President didn't mention 'god' in his Thanksgiving Speech, is rather sad....I wasn't joking, I was serious.

Evidently, 'god' needs shout outs....who knew?


And to do rather extensive research into how many times the last 3 CICs forgot to include 'god' in a speech - is purely overkill, IMHO.


I really don't think you watched the clip. You saw Daily Show in the URL, and made a snap judgment....

Had nothing to do with the video - those are fine. It's using words like "childish" (above), or "stupid", or insulting people's intelligence. I love these discussions, but no matter how much I disagree with anyone's point of view, there's nobody here I wouldn't love to meet and drink a beer with. Why risk losing potential beer-drinking buddies?

So calling Black Friday occupiers, 'Zombies', or claiming that you are smarter than 99.7% of the shoppers that evening is ok - but calling a video about the omission of 'god' in a speech, childish, is not? Btw, I've never used the word 'stupid'.

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Btw, I've never used the word 'stupid'.

Technically correct. However, from page 1 of this thread...

However, I DO have to say that a great majority of the devout are, in fact, not extremely gifted in the brain power area...

I know, semantics, right?

[Duncan]

You church is probably against gay marriage, abortion & stem cell research.

Abortion always hurts at least one human being.

Rubbish.

[conversationpc]

You church is probably against gay marriage, abortion & stem cell research.

Abortion always hurts at least one human being.

Rubbish.

Really? Care to elaborate? One human being's life is ALWAYS ended in an abortion. As far as I'm aware, except when the child dies before birth, no abortions take place before the unborn child has at least a measurable heartbeat. It doesn't just magically become human at the point of delivery, does it?

[Yoda]

You church is probably against gay marriage, abortion & stem cell research.

Abortion always hurts at least one human being.

Rubbish.

Really? Care to elaborate? One human being's life is ALWAYS ended in an abortion. As far as I'm aware, except when the child dies before birth, no abortions take place before the unborn child has at least a measurable heartbeat. It doesn't just magically become human at the point of delivery, does it?

That's what a lot of folks seem to think.

[verslibre]

Bruce is more cold, lifeless and dark than Superman will ever be in his personality. It's simply a boring character that writers can do MORE with givin the history of what fans want tied in continuity.

Blah, blah, blah, blah. Batman's never been considered "boring." I've seen that word attributed plenty to Supes, because when you have a guy that's invincible, you can only have him fight a cosmic menace (which is already what the GL Corps do). Think about it: what is the f-in point of having him chase crooks that other heroes can handle? You'd have to have him stick to grinding down tectonic plates with helicopter blades fastened to his forearms. And really, the whole concept of him being a humble newspaper reporter is silly. But I'm not going to get into all that here. Let's just say my take on that character would be a lot different, and very appropriate.

The Dark Knight Rises is gonna kick so much ass!! BANE, baby!!!
[GEEK OFF]

Yeah it will, which will pave way for Man Of Steel in 2013. Can't wait to see a Superman with ZERO ties to the Donnerverse. Good to see that Superman will have a mean streak and shake the "Big Blue Boyscout" moniker. Just wait until Braniac hits the screen. Going to be wild. Okay, I'm seriously DONE.

Oh, we're going to see a "darker" Superman, dude? Gee, I wonder where that came from? Oh, yeah...Nolan!!

It still won't make as much moola as The Dark Knight.

[verslibre]

I TOTALLY had a set of those in the 4th grade! Used to accessorize with a red bath towel safety-pinned in place to make the cape.

My homemade Batman costume owned your Supes outfit.

Post a pic if you have one, and I'll try to dig up the old photo of me in my homemade Spider-Man costume -- that was the bomb! My mom put a lot of work into it, and I believe I still have it around in her attic somewhere. It's nowhere close to the quality of kids costumes available these days, but we took blue leotards, she sewed on the red material and embroidered the webs by hand. The shoes were basic sneakers painted red with webbing, and the mask was a Spider-Man ski mask that we'd found at a department store. Back then, it was pretty creative, and I won a contest wearing it.

No pix that I'm aware of. My costume also consisted of a towel for a cape, pants for, well, pants — and no shirt. That's right, my "shirt" was NO shirt!!! I said homemade, dude! As in I made it! And I wore that shit to sleep, too. Hahahahahahahaha!!!

I remember my mom even asking me "Isn't Batman supposed to wear a shirt?" I insisted on remaining shirtless.